My Thoughts from Now to 2010
by gimpsta7 on Jun 12, 2009 10:36 AM PDT
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SP: Zito 18.5 M
SP: Cain 4.25 M
SP: Lincecum Higher than 650k from 2009
SP: Sanchez Higher than 455k from 2009
LF: Lewis Higher than 440k from 2009
CF: Rowand 12M
OF: Schierholtz Higher than 402k from 2009
1B: Ishikawa Higher than 402k from 2009
2B: Burriss Higher than 404k from 2009
SS: Renteria 9M
3B: Sandoval Higher than 402k from 2009
RP: Affeldt 4M
RP: Wilson Higher than 480k from 2009
RP: Hinshaw Higher than 402k from 2009
RP: Romo Higher than 402k from 2009
RP: Sadler Higher than 402k from 2009
RP: Valdez Higher than 402k from 2009
RP: Sosa Higher than 402k from 2009
According to projections from ESPN, Baseball Prospectus, and Baseball America:
Buster Posey, Tim Alderson, and Madison Bumgarner are all set to arrive in the majors in 2010.
This list leaves us with surpluses and MAJOR holes. Let’s run through our surpluses and holes before we move on:
Surpluses:
1) Starting Pitching: Lincecum, Cain, Zito & Sanchez will all return. Johnson could for much cheaper, but I doubt it. Plus, if they major baseball “experts” are right, Madbum and Tim2 will join them. That gives us 6 starters. And if you think Zito will finish with an ERA under 4.00: that could be 6 pretty good starters.
2) Relief Pitching: Lots of relievers in the minors and the majors, and you can always sign some/find some surprises in your own system. Trades in this group can always net useful pieces.
Weaknesses:
1) Left side of our infield: Burriss, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Bowker, Aurilia, Uribe. You name them, we have tried and failed to put them in on the left side. Im not sure if there are any studs (I think Orlando Hudson might be an FA) in this upcoming FA class, but this is definitely a weakness until Crawford/Noonan/AnVil/et al get promoted.
2) Outfield: Winn will probably be allowed to walk as a FA this offseason.
My Question:
What do we do between now and then for our 2010 team. This is not a TRADE MATT CANE, or TRADE SANCHAS request. I’m not throwing in the towel on this season. I just want to know, what can be done between this moment and the start of 2010 to put us in the best position to win.
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I audibly gasped.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand is playing much better...
but 12M?
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Jun 12, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worth it
defensive skills: $3 miliion
offensive skills: $6 million
grit: $2 million
gamertude: priceless
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can maintain this level of play(and I don’t mean the hot streak, I mean what he’s averaged with the really sucky April + really good May) then he will be actually worth MORE than 12M, according to FanGraphs.
by Nibbler on Jun 12, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting but you still use those antiquated ways of measuring a player like rowand. Last year he was worth about 4 GARG (Grit Above Replacement Gamer) which was worth 37 million dollars, not bad. This year however he has been worth approximately 6.789 GARG or 83 bajillion dollars to the Giants. Aaron Rowand has been one of the better FA signings of the last decade, behind only Eckstein to Cardinals (the career leader in GARG)
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 13, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS for those of you with questions on how to calculate GARG here it is from the creator of the stat
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 13, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
somebody actually did make an advanced statistic to measure gritiness. They found that former Giants Ron “the runt” Hunt had the single grittiest season of all time in 1971 (while with the Expos), while Barry Bonds owns 5 of the top 15 least gritty seasons of all time.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 13, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I came here for thoughts, not questions
TELL ME WHAT THEY SHOULD DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/runs off and cries
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Jun 12, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is a bunch of players making less than a million.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 12, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this Tim’s first year of arbitration after this season?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Links to data, FWIW
Here’s a link to the Giants’ contracts for the next four years:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p4ew-fwu2XT1HXvmS0G6qaA
And here’s a list of potential FA’s next year:
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/05/2010-free-agents.html
Both courtesy of COTs, BTW.
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by Flapjacks McGurty on Jun 12, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
Nick Johnson or Adam LaRoche at 1B
Polanco at 2B
Beltre at 3B
Holliday/Bay/Ankiel/Cameron?/Damon?
We could potentially also trade a bunch of pitching, and then sign:
John Lackey
Rich Harden
Erik Bedard
Andy Pettitte (unlikely)
Brad Penny/Carl Pavano/Brett Myers (ew)
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 12, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Miguel Tejada, if you’re into that sort of thing.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 12, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Polanco at 2nd for a reasonable price and barring Type A status.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Jun 12, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you sign all those infielders, do you move the Panda back to C?
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably, but that’s a fairly sizable IF. Insiders seem to think that Posey will be up in 2010, so it’s based on whatever the BARZZ thinks.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 12, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take a chance on Iwamura. The Rays won’t resign him with Zobrist among others and his injury should make him really cheap. Hudson is basically lining himself up for a huge payday, but Iwamura is comparable by WAR.
by SeeingStars on Jun 12, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As is Polanco
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Jun 12, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Holiday is looking better and better as Lewis is looking worse and worse.
CF Rowand
2B Frandsen
3B Sandoval
LF Holliday
C Posey
RF Schierholtz
1B Guzman!SS Renteria
Also, Chipper Jones is 37, but still a freakin’ beast. Would a move to 1B preserve his body for a couple more years?
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I thought Chipper was a FA
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah I believed he signed an extension earlier this year.
by SeeingStars on Jun 12, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guzman?
Jesus Guzman had all of 10 atbats to prove himself and he failed to do so. Cross him off of all future plans.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 12, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cross him off your own list. He’s my adopted Giant and I’m believing in Jesus.
In all seriousness, he’s putting up a better offensive season in AAA than many of the guys we’ve clamored for a call up in the past. He’s hit, hit some more and, just to be different, hit some more.
His minor league numbers have been Sandovalian
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was kidding there. That was my wilriv impression.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 12, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs fewer pronouns.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 13, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, my sarchasmeter needs a tuneup
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 13, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a question.
If Raptor Jesus really catches on next year and sticks at 1B, what will we do with AnVil? LF maybe? Sandoval can play 3B, 1B, and C, which is fine until Guzman and Posey are ready, then he’ll be solidly at 3B.
I know you can never have too many good pitchers, but too many good 1B seems like a different kind of thing. I’m worried we may go the Texas Rangers Adrian Gonzalez/Mark Teixeira route and end up losing them both.
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by RDreamer on Jun 12, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is extremely unlikely that Guzman sticks as a good 1B until 2012 and ends up blocking Villalona. I worry about other more likely problems, like being struck by lightning.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s even kind of unlikely that Guzman sticks as a good 1B next year. Sorry to say Goof.
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by WalrusMan on Jun 12, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the unlikely even Guzman sticks at 1B and is a productive, he keeps AnVil seat warm and then becomes a trading chip.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 13, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think posey will be ready next year already?
I was thinking a year in AAA, or at least the first part of the season, but that’s being pulled out of my ass, FWIW.
I have a front row seat on the Sign Matt Holliday bandwagon.
I really wish they Giants would release Aurilia and get Guzman up here to see if he’d be a possibility at 1B next year.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 12, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Holliday will be last off-season’s Texiera; the bandwagon will grow and grow.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of Holliday.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really can’t discuss which free agents to sign until two weeks after the signing period after the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets have signed all the elite ones.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 12, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not think that Bumgarner or Alderson will be in the 2010 rotation. Perhaps September ’10. No earlier than that though.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 12, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bags thinks Mad Bum will be in the rotation by next month.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t have space in the game story to quote Jonathan Sanchez, but we asked how he evaluates a start in which he walks seven yet allows just one run in 5 2/3 innings.
Thumbs up, he said.
"I’m really not happy I walked too many guys, but that’s how it worked out," he said. "I think I’m getting close to the roll I was on last year. I’ve just got to throw more innings and cut the walks. If I cut the walks, I can throw six or seven innings every time."
–
The biggest reason I think Sanchez will be traded in the coming weeks: Madison Bumgarner is 4-0 with a 1.86 ERA in five games at Double-A Connecticut. Nobody’s told me Bumgarner will be in the big leagues this season, but I’ve got to believe it can’t be long.
Bags is just speculating, but it’s pretty interesting to say the least. Making the jump from AA wouldn’t be a huge leap IMO. That kid West who nearly no-hit us was up from AA.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was against the Giants offense though.
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by Natto on Jun 12, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He struck out Manny in a spring training game. He’s ready.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 12, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes i was there when madbum and timA pitched
madison had control problems, but struck out a few and was throwing gas.
on the other tim alderson had tons of trouble, letting up 4 runs and a HR in an inning with that weird motion he’s got going
by lehmsbobby on Jun 12, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Posey’s ready….
Rowand CF
Renteria SS
Johnson 1B
Dye LF
Sandoval 3B
Bowker RF
Posey C
Burriss 2B
If they decide to go for it this year, I’d be OK with them acquiring Johnson and Dye in the next month, and moving Molina down to Posey’s spot, with Winn in RF.
Dye has a reasonably priced club option for next year [$12m?], and Johnson’s a FA whose next contract should be reasonable too.
by aGIANTfan on Jun 12, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dye hasn’t really been much better than Fred Lewis this year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And before you jump on me...
You think Fred’s D is bad… Dye’s is much worse.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To put numbers on it...
-7 so far this year and around -20 for the past three years before that, so it’s not a small sample size thing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I’m not exactly ready to buy into defensive metrics quite yet. I don’t really think either are all that good, and don’t think the gap is that large either. Way too much credit is given to Lewis simply because he is speedier than most corner OF’s.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don’t give him that much credit, I mean, he’s essentially average-ish. He kicks the ball around some but he gets to more balls.
Dye just doesn’t get to anything. Which isn’t surprising, he’s old and his legs are pretty shot. I don’t know, I really don’t have any trouble believing that Dye is a -20 defensive outfielder. At this point, he’s a DH playing RF because of JI
JIM THOME.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idk I just have a hard time going by that. He probably only averages out as average-ish because there’s butchers like Dunn and Dye out there for just about every team in the league. The difference between Randy Winn and Fred Lewis out in the field is night and day imo.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not playing RF though. He’s playing LF. So he should be compared to other LF.
I mean, there’s no question that if Randy Winn played LF every day, he’d be much better than Lewis and probably the best defensive LF in baseball. But … he’s not.
And the numbers, in the long run, do show Winn as being much better defensively in RF than Lewis is in LF.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Jermaine Dye, but I don’t want him on the team.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 12, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would much rather spend $12 million on a 2B and leave Lewis in LF
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Radical!
Liberal! Intellectual!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 13, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for Breakfast in America.
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
by achiappanza on Jun 15, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand CF
Lewis/Schierholtz RF
Holliday LF
Johnson 1B
Sandoval 3B/C
Posey C/3B
Renteria SS
Frandsen 2B
Bench:
Witter
Bowker
Guzman
Ishikawa
Lincecum
Cain
Zito
Sanchez
MadBum
Alderson
Romo
Wilson
Affeldt
Howry
Some Guy
Some Guy
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jun 12, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think MadBum and Alderson will be up by the beginning of 2010, but this could be realistic for mid-2010, I think. Though I also don’t think they’ll bring either of them up and stick them in the pen just yet.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had some reservations about putting Alderson in the pen too, but it’s not the same as sticking a young hitter on the bench. He’ll have a chance to adjust to life in the big leagues while not throwing a ton of innings.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jun 12, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think MadBum will, Timmy won’t. I don’t know why, I just think they’ll let MB try his stuff for a while.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jun 12, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking the problem with this roster may be no back up middle infielders.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jun 12, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why “Some Guy”? Doesn’t Merkin warrant a spot in your ’pen?
I’m hoping Martinez is recovered and in the pen again too.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some guy could definitely be Merkin/Martinez. I just got bored of thinking about the pen. However, if some guy is Merking and Martinez then we only have one lefty in the pen.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jun 12, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, we only have one lefty at the moment anyway.
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by Natto on Jun 12, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRING UP PAT MISCH
oh wait :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should be the LOOGY
So Bochy doesn’t run down Affeldt before the year’s over.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Jun 12, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, he’s with the Mets now. We misched our opportunity.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like losing him may have been a mischtake.
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by Natto on Jun 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they misched that one up
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 12, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they just stand pat and let him get away?
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Jun 12, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(I think I’m doing this wrong)
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Jun 12, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah his pat schuked
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 13, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait what was the question
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 13, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah :D:
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Jun 12, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Alderson comes up:
He has to start. The Giants would be wasting him in the bullpen. He would be better off getting the innings at AA of AAA.
by gimpsta7 on Jun 12, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a spot starter/long reliever he could get over 100 major league innings. Would that be more beneficial to his development than 150 innings against inferior competition? Of course there’s the whole service clock argument but as I mentioned up above, bringing up a young pitcher and letting him pitch out of the bullpen is not the same as bringing up a young hitter and letting him rot on the bench.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jun 12, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a believer in the Earl Weaver theory of breaking a guy into MLB by starting him out in the bullpen. The Giants have never followed that theory and they have had plenty of success breaking guys in, so who knows.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That nickname needs to die.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
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by Natto on Jun 12, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about E-7Fred? Crazylegs Fred? The New Magellan?
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 12, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I’m sure we can think of something better than any of those if you really want to give the poor guy a negative nickname.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could we have a total change in management this offseason? Both Bochy and Sabean are up, after this year. I say replace Bochy, keep Sabean, but I wouldn’t be totally opposed to replacing Sabes too. I know there has been talk about who our ideal future GM would be; who would you want instead Bochy and Sabes(besides “anyone”)?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jun 12, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Manny Acta for manager!!
He hasn’t had a fair chance because he’s been the manager of a bad team for these past three years. Imagine how good he would be with our errr, mediocre team!!
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t be surprised if they let both walk, regardless of the results this year. Change at the top frequently, and quite justifiably, leads to change in management. Bosses like to be involved in hiring their own guys. Now it could be the Larry Baer’s continued presence will trump that, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a “thanks for everything you’ve done, but we’ve decided to go in another direction” press conference come October.
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by Roger on Jun 12, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they can Sabean
I hope they don’t lose Barr. I think the scouting department has taken a major step forward in the last couple of years.
Kim Ng would be an excellent replacement for Sabean.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 12, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
I so wanted her to be the GM in Seattle but they chose some dude whose name I can’t pronounce. I have wanted her to replace Sabean ever since. She is such a great baseball mind. If any community will accept a female GM, it is San Francisco.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Jun 12, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wanted her to be the GM in Seattle so that the Giants could hire Jack Zduriencik as their GM
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bet is that they keep Sabean and replace Bochy. I mentioned this possible manager in a previous thread and I’ll throw it out again: Eric Wedge.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 12, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It definitely is still up in the air. If the team continues to play like this all season, (over .500 and borderline playoff contender) I can see both of them coming back next year. (unfortunately)
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 12, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosterbation is for the offseason.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jun 12, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How about Bobby Valentine? He has completley refined the game in Japan and has had previous sucess in big market cities. Although I would like to replace Bochy, I think he stays. After all, even with our anemic offense, Bochy has us playing over .500 ball.
by giantsrockdudes on Jun 12, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobby has it made in Japan.
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by Natto on Jun 12, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s big in Japan. But I think his team also couldn’t afford to keep him anymore or something? There was some brouhaha overit.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 12, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valentine has said many times he would leave Japan in a second for a big league job. The problem with Valentine is two fold though. His players don’t like him, (too honest) and he doesn’t take orders well. Very few GM’s are going to hire a manager who’s going to tell them to take a hike when they make a suggestion.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 12, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't take orders well?
Sounds like the PERFECT manager if Sabes is still GM.
Too honest? “Hey there Kung Fu Panda, - maybe you should hit the gym, eh?” “Wilson – shave off that ridiculous beardy-mustochio thing… what are you, 17?”.
Could be fun?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 12, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are confused about that, sir
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 13, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His contract will not be renewed after this season
So he may be free.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Jun 12, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOVE Bobby V. He’d be a big upgrade over blockhead.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 12, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man my thoughts between now and 2010
1. Eat Healthier
2. Exercise more
3. Raise my wSNARKY+ to MCC average or better
4. Fine more animated gifs
that’s a far cry from yours
by jctGamer on Jun 12, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PX90 will take care of #1 and #2
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 13, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Heyward prease
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Conductor of the We're Back Warrior Movement!
by ejdacanay on Jun 12, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Winning is fun.
Let’s keep doing that.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
by Azmanz on Jun 12, 2009 9:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wherez zack wheeler
I only have a signature because I recognize everyone else by their sigs, not their usernames..
by lmaozedong on Jun 12, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone think about moving jsanch to the bullpen one madbum and alderson come up, barring a trade?
by lehmsbobby on Jun 12, 2009 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Beltre, Holiday?
If not the FA list gets quite crappy and the Giants do have a surplus of SP.
by Ohpityme on Jun 13, 2009 5:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what we do before the July 31 trade deadline.
Right now we only have a few regulars set for next year: Rowand, Sandoval, Renteria – two by virtue of their contract. That’s pretty much it. We need to look for upgrades for five positions. We won’t know if we’ll get another one until the trade deadline passes. We’ll probably look to upgrade RF, LF, 2B, and two of C/1B/3B depending on where we put Sandoval. Wherever we don’t spend to upgrade in FA, or trade to upgrade, we can fill with in house options.
There are a few things I know: if we’re relying on Bumgarner, Posey and/or Alderson to be major contributors, we’re in trouble – the odds are just way, way to bad that they’ll come up so quickly and contribute. I’d be very happy to have them all start out next year in Fresno to be brought up if we need an upgrade or injury replacement than to start with them jumping two or three levels to the bigs and being counted on to produce.
I’d go after Nick Johnson as a FA (unless he is a Type-A AND we have a pick below #16 in the first round). Use Guzman as a backup/platoon partner. Beltre is another option if he’s willing to sign for one year cheap. Also, Nady for the OF on a short-term deal. We could sign a starting pitcher or go with Pucetas – either is fine with me. I think we’ll have bullpen arms to trade for lineup upgrades.
I would definitely offer Bengi arbitration. I would also tell him unequivocally that Sandoval is going to be our starting catcher next year (unless he’s going to play 3B or 1B, in which case we’ll sign another C), and he’ll be riding pine for 130 games as our backup if he accepts – which he won’t, as that would destroy his potential free agent earnings the following year. If he accepts, that’s not the end of the world and we’ll just move Pablo over to third or first like this year. I would also offer Howry and Winn, as neither would be unwelcome on the team next year. Depending on how they finish out this year and what we add in free agency, they’ll more than likely decline as well, hoping for one final multi-year contract. That will net us up to 6 additional draft picks (although more likely 4). I would let Uribe walk and ask Richie, for the sake of everyone in the organization and all that is holy, to please, please retire as a Giant and move into some kind of management job in the org.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
by tedfordfan on Jun 13, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we can count on one of Pucetas/MadBum/Alderson in the rotation next year. Sure relying on a rookie carries risk, but I think it would be worth it because it would mean converting Johnson’s salary into offense. The rookie would be the #5 starter and replacing Johnson’s numbers (or approximating them) wouldn’t be that hard. This would leave you with a rotation of:
1. Lincecum
2. Cain
3. Zito
4. Sanchez
5. Pucetas/Madbum/Alderson
Now, if you convert the expiring current salaries of Johnson, Winn and Molina into Holliday and Johnson (and yes, you might have to add to that), you’ve got yourself a this lineup:
CF: Rowand
SS : Renteria
LF: Holliday
1B: Johnson
3B: Sandoval
RF: Schierholtz
C: Posey
2B: Frandsen
That’s a team that could compete now and in the future.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 13, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t hate it.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 13, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m much more concerned with relying on Nick Johnson to stay healthy than one of the Pucetas/MadBum/Alderson to pan out. He’s always been very good when healthy so I’m sure there’s going to be bidders so I don’t see the Giants landing him short of a multi-year deal which is really scary considering he’s never played a full season.
by SeeingStars on Jun 13, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday is much more of a priority in my mind
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 13, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree that one of the three rookie pitchers would probably be OK to slot into the #5 spot, although the string of Zito-Sanchez-Pucetas/Bumgarner/Alderson could be pretty brutal on our bullpen. Boulder Skull would probably put Zito in the #2 spot to break up the righties and lefties. Sigh… Matt Cain, #3 pitcher.
Disagree with giving Posey the Burriss treatment. Or is it “Bococking” Posey? In any case, it worked with Sandoval, but counting on it to work every time is asking to get bit in the ass. Sign someone – anyone – like the corpse of Jason Veratek and let Posey compete – if he proves to be superhuman, well and good – just don’t PLAN on that happening.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
by tedfordfan on Jun 14, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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