The San Francisco Giants' Draft: Day One Review
It’s hard, but I can forget about my newfound Matzekamania. Zack Wheeler isn’t a consolation prize – he was one of the top high school arms in the draft, and one who compared favorably to top-ten prep picks from previous drafts. When Tyler Matzek was asked about his new organization, the Rockies, he said something like, "Oh, they’re swell, but Oregon’s going to let me play first base, too." Oops, pow, surprise: You just got a glass full of negotiation in your face, Colorado.
What the Rockies are thinking: big deal. They knew Matzek wasn’t going to come cheap, and they liked him enough to take the chance. They went for who they thought was the best player available, price be damned. Should Giants fans be upset that the Giants didn’t have the same approach?
Probably not. There are scenarios in which a cheaper Wheeler might have been preferable to a full-priced Matzek:
"Gee, we think Matzek is a great prospect, but Wheeler is almost as good, and if the difference is $2M, we can use that money to buy out a college commitment later in the draft. Wheeler + another prospect is a much better deal than just Matzek."
Good.
"Dang, Matzek is clearly a better prospect, but we need that money for Juan Uribe’s extension. Uh, I guess we’ll take this Wheeler guy."
Bad.
"Matzek’s good, but we liked Wheeler’s delivery/follow through/ fastball/whatever a lot better, so he was higher on our draft board."
Perfectly acceptable. Again, the Giants have earned our trust when it comes to evaluating pitching talent. As for the rest of the draft…I dunno. When they drafted a high school catcher, I was worried that it was a glovey mcgloverson who wouldn’t hit Tim Lincecum’s weight. Nope. Tommy Joseph is a big, powerful feller who might have to move from the catcher’s position. Sounds intriguing. And the third-round pick was a big, powerful feller who might have to move from third base – Richie Sexson was a comp that I read. Again, that sounds intriguing. Obviously, we won’t know for a while what kind of prospect they are, much less what kind of major league they’ll be, but they should be fun to watch in Salem-Keizer and Augusta soon.
It’s weird to get so worked up for an event, have the event pass, and have no idea whether or not you’re happy yet. One thing’s for sure, though: at least now the Giants can trade Matt Cain for some bats.
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Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 10, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want the creepy looking one
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh… which one is that?
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by Natto on Jun 10, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one with the wings
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the funny little smushed face
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Jun 10, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we get ALL of them? GIT R DUHN!!
by satyricrash on Jun 10, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need hats
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by hairball on Jun 10, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
up urs jobu
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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 10, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill!
/gets hit by bat
by The Double Deuce on Jun 10, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WEIRD
I was just walking down the street and I guy had a t-shirt with a print of basically this poster. Just a bunch of bats with species names.
by thethrillisgone on Jun 10, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stylish
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by Natto on Jun 10, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I mention that he was a 5 foot tall Salvadorean man with a scraggly mustache?
by thethrillisgone on Jun 10, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BEES!

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by Viliphied on Jun 10, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BEES?!
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by Natto on Jun 10, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bees.
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by Viliphied on Jun 10, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pleased with the draft but it’s not as immediately satisfying as last year’s. Kind of more like 07, where I’m hoping that in a year or so we’ll be like “OMFG ZACK WHEELER AND TOMMY JOSEPH ARE SO AWESOME SHIT”
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by jponry on Jun 10, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like what someone would say
if they sharted in a moment of uncontrollable overzealousness
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by hairball on Jun 10, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Jun 10, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it not possible to take another GM out drinking and get him completely shitfaced and then trade Zito instead of Cain? There has to be a Chris Wallace of baseball.
Also, it’s weird trying to get excited for these high school kids who I probably won’t watch until 2012.
by snafu on Jun 10, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah, this is where “Fuck Work, Let’s Drink” will actually come in handy!
Brian Sabean: One Step Ahead
by satyricrash on Jun 10, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say, I think Sabean is the one who goes out and gets shitfaced instead of working.
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s how it normally works. See, he was just practicing all these years. Practice make perfect! ::glug glug::
//i don’t know.
by satyricrash on Jun 10, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While i like Matzek a lot, I like Wheeler just as much. Matzek’s polish is impressive, but Wheeler really could end up better—though he may not get there: that is the difference between the two—Matzek isn’t too far from his ceiling, it seems, and it is high, so he seems one of those high floor, high ceiling guys. Wheeler is further away, but it very well could be higher ceiling, and there is a decent chance he gets to it, or close.
I think Wheeler has the better fastball (and it might get better yet). Matzek has shown more velocity, but Wheeler has a lot more life on his than Matzek (video makes it pretty clear)>
Wheeler’s secondary pitches project very nicely, so no major worries there.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I say this to further ‘Wheeler is not a budget/consolation prize’ line.
There are reasons to like Wheeler over Matzek, irrespective of bonus demands.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Wheeler’s fastball should definitely improve. The kid has no meat on him, adding a little muscle should help his fastball, along with a few MPH that will likely be added as he grows up a bit more and throws a bit more
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by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 10, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 10, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wrote this in one of the draft threads, and wanted to clarify:
Nothing against Wheeler, but it seems like the decision between him and Matzek was made just based off signability and not talent.
I am happy with Wheeler; as Grant says, he is no consolation prize. Plus, the Zach Morris pictures alone will be worth it. However, pretty much every source had us taking Matzek over Wheeler until the bonus demands came out. Really, whether I’m happy with the decision of Wheeler over Matzek will come down to the difference in what they sign for. If it’s in the millions, which would theoretically help us sign other draft picks/Latin talent, then I think they did the right thing. If the difference doesn’t end up being much, I will be less enthused. I still really like Wheeler though and am excited for his future.
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of these sources had the Orioles taking Wheeler at 5 though and Wheeler going to Atlanta at the latest at 7. We got a consensus top 10 pick. He’s pretty much on the same level as Matzek. One reason I preferred Matzek was that he has the potential for 4 quality pitches, and seemingly has the best command of the HS pitchers. But there is TONS to like about Wheeler.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 10, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overall, I like this draft just a little bit less than last year—so far (i don’t know about a lot of the later picks, so I can’t say there).
Joseph is a hell of a pick, IMHO. I think his bat is real—powerful, and a polished projectable. I don’t really care if he can’t stick at catcher (or can only stick in a below average way.
Dominguez is a nice high risk pick. Power like that is always worth a shot, and he has improved over time, so that provides some reason to think he might continue to.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s a reason Matzek fell to #11, and I can’t imagine it’s ALL because of signability concerns. The next four picks between the Giants and Rockies were all pitchers, and while the Nats probably took Storen to save some cash for Strasburg, I don’t imagine the Tigers, Reds, or Braves have the same payroll constraints (especially considering how much Detroit is clearly willing to spend). Maybe the ML scouts saw something in Matzek’s delivery or his attitude that they didn’t like. After his interview I thought “Wow, this guy’s a douchebag. You just got drafted #11 overall and you’re basically saying you think you deserve better.”
Wheeler’s got a great attitude it seems and he really wants to play baseball, he’s not in this for the money. He was already talking about how he wants to move quickly through the system and start playing as soon as possible.
by quincy0191 on Jun 10, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s a reason Matzek fell to #11
People said this very thing about Justin Smoak last year.
by Evan on Jun 10, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Porcello. I know some people people think he’s a disapointment, but he currently has a 1.80 K/BB and one of the best ground ball ratios in the majors, at age 20, after having spent just one year in the minors. That’s very, very impressive.
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by Cookyman on Jun 10, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody thinks he is a disappointment
I mean, what crackhead thinks that?
by wcw on Jun 10, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t see Matzek’s interview, but I did sort of laugh when he got drafted by the Rockies. How’d those crazy bonus demands work out for you, champ? Instead of going to one of the best pitcher development organizations in baseball, you get to pitch in Colorado.
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, it’s probably a faster track to the starting rotation there.
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by Goofus on Jun 10, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say that like it’s a good thing.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 10, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it, but he came off as kinda douchey. I’m more glad the Giants didn’t take him than I originally was. While Wheeler came off as more huckleberry, that’s still preferable.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think it was douchey as much as it was cagey.
I mean, it COULD be douchiness, and I see the point everyone makes. But mostly, I thought he was playing cards— not being very enthusiastic (unlike Wheeler, who put on the SF cap immediately and started enthusing about joining our team, thus losing a lot of negotiation leverage), talking about college, and positioning the negotiation in terms of “what Colorado can offer.” I thought it was just hardball negotiation positioning, and I totally respect that.
I just don’t think it’s douchey to be really unenthused about getting drafted by Colorado as a young pitcher. I think it’s appropriate to be unthrilled. I also don’t think it’s douchey to be unthrilled about a system in which a person has an extraordinary talent, but cannot sell it to the highest bidder — as the rest of us can do in our work. If you got a better offer from the company across the street, you could pack up your canvas messenger bag and Red Bull, and go there today. This guy has a special talent and can ONLY sell it for a year to a team that plays a mile above sea level. So if he isn’t thrilled with that, he’s a douche?
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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 10, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was pretty cool that Wheeler had the hat ready. And he sounded like kind of a dumbass on the TV but on the conference call, he sounded way more intelligent. And legitimately excited about joining the organization and pitching for us, as soon as possible. I like that.
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by jponry on Jun 10, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked it, too, as a Giants fan. But I reject the idea that someone who is unenthusiastic like Wheeler is, ipso facto, a douche.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 10, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*that is, unenthusiastic AS Wheeler is
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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 10, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not ONLY to one team...
…I’m sure the Fort Worth Cats would love to have him, since they’re losing staff ace Aaron Crow…
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by EliminateMe on Jun 10, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4952525 it’s up on mlb.com. Admittedly I haven’t followed any MLB prior to this but aren’t most players supposed to be excited about getting drafted?? On a side note, I really do miss Harold Reynolds.
by SeeingStars on Jun 10, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhh, that’s a beautiful piece of leverage at the end.
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After his interview I thought "Wow, this guy’s a douchebag. You just got drafted #11 overall and you’re basically saying you think you deserve better."
Wheeler’s got a great attitude it seems and he really wants to play baseball, he’s not in this for the money.
On the other hand, if they were ranked even before the draft, it might not be too surprising to see the #6 pick more enthusaed than the #11 pick.
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by Goofus on Jun 10, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s bring Joseph and Dominguez up now. We need the power!
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by thehavenot on Jun 10, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I do not understand all the McLovin for Tyler Matzek. He is one of the HS guys. No better than Wheeler. Yet Wheelere gets no love. Yeah I wanted Mike Leake however very happy the Giants selected Wheeler over Matzek.
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The five top HS pitchers, Matzek, Wheeler, Turner, Miller and Purke were all bunched together in most pre-draft scouting reports. Except for a few MPH here and there and a bit more polish on secondary pitches here and there they were all pretty much interchangeable. The draft projections then created some separation among them due to other factors such as perceived signability and the proverbial helium at the end of their seasons.
With these high school pitchers, so much comes into play in their development that it is almost impossible to say Matzek would have been a much better choice. At this point no one knows how a HS prospect will take to adversity, how they will accept instruction, how they will deal with injuries, etc.
by baseballjunkie on Jun 10, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a very good point
If your name isn’t Strasburg, an elite HS pitching prospect is pretty much like every other elite HS pitching prospect. All these guys were elite. Choosing any of them would have been fine, and at that level it wasn’t talent that made the decisions for the various teams. Signability, at that point, is a perfectly acceptable criterion. Arm slot, height, relatives in pro baseball, horoscopes,… anything that helps a FO separate one elite pitcher from the other (well, maybe not a horoscope) is useful and usable.
For me, that small differentiator is handedness; given AT&T Park, I’d prefer righties to lefties assuming equal talent.
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by Lyle on Jun 10, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it probably comes from the fact that, until Matzek started demanding crazy cash, the Giants seemed to be higher on him than they were on Wheeler.
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by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know the Giants were higher on Matzek? I know KLaw was higer – so what?
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t KNOW, obviously. But that was definitely the general impression. Most mock drafts had the Giants taking Matzek – I don’t remember any of the major draft analysts saying the Giants would take Wheeler until Matzek’s contract demands came out.
I don’t have any real opinion on the subject, mind you. I know shit about high school baseball and am in no qualified to say which of the two is better.
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by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both Wheelers were connected to the GIants early on. Believe it was Mayo who initially reported that Sabean was in attendance for a Wheeler game back in April. That was on advice from Barr who apparently fell in love with Wheeler last summer.
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically everyone with inside sources had the Giants drafting Matzek if he was there over Wheeler.
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are very much overplaying the the mock drafts here.
First, the giants typically play it as close to the vest as any team, so insider information is very limited: usually nothing more than ‘we saw sabean or a scout at multiple games’
Second, many of the important mocks had Wheeler going to baltimore, until it became clear very late that they weren’t, but that was so late only BA really adjusted the mock for it, and picked wheeler, i believe
Third, the Giants have been linked to Wheeler for a long, long time, and probably on the same basis that teams linked them to Matzek.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olympic Scoring: Throw out the high, throw out the low
he sits at 90-94
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mays Field is better suited for RHP vs LHH
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guy that throws while hard
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by The Thrill on Jun 10, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wil
I know it’s “obvious” because Mays kills LHH power… but do you have some numbers to back this up?
What is the LHH/RHH park effect? LHP/RHP?
Since the park currently plays as a slight hitters park (102 I think), that would mean that RHH KILL there.
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by zenbitz on Jun 10, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plug it into excel
and let us know what you find!
by jctGamer on Jun 10, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how reliable—or more exactly, indicative—do you think park factor stats are? I’m still not sold on them beyond a quick and rather dirty quantification
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a lefty that sits 90-94 with the best rated prep change and slider. He also was thought to be able to add more velocity as he matured.
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As we've seen with MadBum
Secondary pitches can be developed. At this point I believe Wheeler’s FB is a tick faster than Matzek’s, with room for growth as well. I’ll admit that Matzek is probably the better prospect now, but that Wheeler might have a bit higher ceiling (and from the compilation of scouting reports, Turner might have the highest ceiling of all, but will also be tough to sign).
by baseballjunkie on Jun 10, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KLaw, Baseball America, and Baseball Prospectus all preferred Matzek. Obviously that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s going to be better, but when you say that he isn’t better, what are you basing it on?
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by Cookyman on Jun 10, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Complete package. I do not take into account his LHness. Plus put a whole lot more into poise/make-up of a ballplayer. Apparently Sabean, Barr and Tidrow saw it the same way.
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that Wheeler has better poise and make-up?
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by Cookyman on Jun 10, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheeler’s brother had heart surgery and his other brother was in the Yankees system
(reason given by the MLB guys yesterday for his poise)
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by jponry on Jun 10, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did.
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by Cookyman on Jun 10, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that stuff is all super speculative.
a long term question about Matzek has been consistency: he mails it in a lot.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I’ve heard he’s inconsistent, but that doesn’t mean he “mails it in”. He was pitching for a contract, I’m sure he did the best he could even if he didn’t give a crap about the team.
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by Cookyman on Jun 10, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. I don’t know what you’d call it, other than mailing it in.
The reports were that he just didn’t seem to try to hard: just tossing his pitches up there without actually pitching, though he can, and did in his recent playoff starts, show an excellent feel for pitching.
For most of the year, most scouts were underwhelmed by him, though not his stuff.
It isn’t a fatal flaw by any means, but its never a good thing.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then add in his great interview on tv yesterday and you can see why there are questions about Mr Matzek
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and 7 million, if he’s going to stick at the number, is a whole. 6 is a lot, for that matter (and any HS pitcher).
Especially since Wagner Mateo might be very expensive if the cards are actually going to 4 on him.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
‘whole lot’ that is.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that being a dick makes you any less likely to be a good pitcher.
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by Cookyman on Jun 10, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
see Roger Clemens.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to post that!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Randy Johnson, for that matter.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 10, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. I don’t know what you’d call it, other than mailing it in.
I’d call it not pitching well. It happens. Yesterday, for example, Matt Cain did not pitch very well. Does it mean he was mailing it in?
The reports were that he just didn’t seem to try to hard: just tossing his pitches up there without actually pitching, though he can, and did in his recent playoff starts, show an excellent feel for pitching.
Key word: “seem”. I’d take that with a huge grain of salt. Also, if he pitched better in the playoff, doesn’t it say something positive about his poise (actually I don’t think it says anything, but for the sake of argument)?
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by Cookyman on Jun 10, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, when you are just throwing whatever up, without much attention to sequence and location….well, what do you call that?
Sure, it isn’t pitching well. But there are many different types of ‘not pitching well’ There is inconsistent control, there is not knowing what you are doing, there is not really caring(an inference based on canceling out other explanations by way of likelihood), and there is just not having your stuff that day.
Matzek usually had his stuff, and usually showed good control. And he certainly has shown he knows how to pitch, too. What else is the likely explanation?
And yes, pitching better in a playoff is a plus, but that plus makes the apparent lack of focus in other situations a minor concern.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just like AnVil’s defensive performances can be a minor concern. It’s good he can turn it on and make an excellent play, but why does he seem indifferent on other plays.
In both cases, you’d expect AnVil and Matzek to be more consistent once they get older AND the competition improves, but such isn’t always the case. Kevin Mitchell? Strawberry? One could add many names, and names much less spectacular.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, when you are just throwing whatever up, without much attention to sequence and location….well, what do you call that?
He’s a HS pitcher, there’s no way he was responsible for pitch sequence. Quick question: how does one tell the difference between “not paying attention to location” and “not locating well”?
Sure, it isn’t pitching well. But there are many different types of ‘not pitching well’ There is inconsistent control, there is not knowing what you are doing, there is not really caring(an inference based on canceling out other explanations by way of likelihood), and there is just not having your stuff that day.
Inconsistent control seems to be what he had. “Not knowing what you are doing” sounds kind of generic and meaningless. “Not really caring” is not an inference, it’s wild speculation.
Matzek usually had his stuff, and usually showed good control. And he certainly has shown he knows how to pitch, too. What else is the likely explanation?
Right. He usually had good stuff, and usually had good control. Sometimes he didn’t have good stuff and/or good control. There are a million possible explanation for this – random flukiness, the fact that he’s 18 years old, inconsistent breaking pitches and/or velocity, etc. You can’t just conclude that he doesn’t give a crap based on the fact that he’s great most of the times but sometimes isn’t.
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by Cookyman on Jun 10, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are a lot of reasons to like Matzek. he was higher rated by “experts” pre-season and before the draft, had more polish, closer to the majors, generally threw harder, and was left-handed. you don’t need to agree with those reasons and some are totally subjective, but they’re reasons.
But, all the top prep pitchers were fairly close and carry the same risk that all high school pitchers do. Anyway, there’s no reason not to be excited about Wheeler. The giants made a great choice.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel that Wheeler was a safer pick cuz he wants to go straight into Pro ball. I think Matzek got so much attention, because he is a lefty. I can’t really figure out why else he would be rated so highly. Also, Wheeler is supposed to throw in the low 90’s, but I read an article that said he was excited when he found out that Sabean was in the crowd scouting him, that he was humping up his fastball to 98 mph… You add some weight on his 6’4" frame, and he can definitely get stronger and throw 98 consistently. he has a 3/4 release that gives his pitches TONS of movement.
That being said, ALL these high school kids are hard to predict, and are probably 2-4 years away from reaching the majors. That being said, I would HOPE they don’t trade Matt Cain, cuz he’s only what, 25 himself?
The Giants are only 1.5 games out of the Wildcard spot, and the Central Division is going to keep beating themselves up over the course of the season… so the Giants have a real good chance to make it this year… but they do need another bat to get them there.
- My friend posed the idea of trading Sanchez and a couple prospects for Matt Holliday. To me, that’s worth it. Sanchez is still a good prospect, and Holliday probably won’t re-sign with the A’s, so Billy Beane will most likely try to trade him. The A’s are playing a little better lately, but they’re still in last place in their division.
by aBulldog on Jun 10, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love Holliday if signed to a long term contract. The Giants need more that Holliday to return to playoff/championship contention. Giving up a player that you control like Sanchez for what could be a rent-a-player does not seem like a good idea. The A’s don’t really have an incentive to make this trade. They can sit back and wait for the picks that Holliday will bring as a free-agent.
by mlo on Jun 10, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d just as soon wait and try to sign Holliday in the offseason. Whatever picks we’d give up in next year’s draft probably won’t be worth what we’d have to trade to get him.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about? Surely Billy Beane will take Sanchez, Fred Lewis and Osiris Matos and he will like it!
by Hobbes2d on Jun 10, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crapshoot
The draft is a roll of the dice anyways. Wheeler could become a hof for all we know or he could blow out his arm in his first minor league start. The same could happen with Matzek. The Giants picked the ballplayer that fit their drafting strategy. I realize that we are hungry for a Ryan Howard or Morneau type player but that type of player was not available. Last year the Giants took Buster instead of Smoak. We still don’t know how that will turn out. Smoak is playing well and the same can be said of Buster. I am happy with Buster although I would not have been unhappy with Smoak.
by mlo on Jun 10, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And the third-round pick was a big, powerful feller who might have to move from third base – Richie Sexson was a comp that I read.
We should have drafted someone who compares to Durham instead. That way, we could spend years talking about how weshould trade that guy for Dominguez.
I love the Dominguez pick. That’s thing you have to do if you want any chance at landing yourself a Pujols.
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by Goofus on Jun 10, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too. Dominguez made the draft, as far as I’m concerned. Not only am I happy that I correctly predicted his choice in the 3rd round, I’m thrilled that the Giants are actually abandoning the “speed & defense only” mantra that would have doomed us to look like… the 2009 Giants.
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by Lyle on Jun 10, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Down, boy!
I read that as well, and immediately figured you saw it too.
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by Lyle on Jun 10, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they didn't just abandon it
they burnt it to the friggin’ ground. They drafted a whole football team on the 2nd day.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from the annoyance of the 10,000th call to TRADE CAIN FOR BATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, in what possible world does drafting a high school pitcher have anything to do with your ability to trade a major league pitcher this year!?
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by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cain was a high school pitcher drafted in the first round. Do I need to draw you a map?
by Grant on Jun 10, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buster Posey was a high school pitcher who was later drafted in the first round. We could’ve traded Cain a year ago!
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by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that was before he learned how to win. We would have been selling low on the most important statistic.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 10, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Apparently we were one 18 year old power arm away from trading our reasonably priced ERA leader.
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by rotorueter on Jun 10, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to believe that the Giants liked Wheeler more then Matzek all along. Yes, there were signability concerns, but the Giants really haven’t been cheap recently. Remember, Posey was floating some crazy high number last year and the Giants didn’t balk. Throw in AnVil, Rodriguez, even Kieschnick and Crawford, and the Giants haven’t been shy about spending money on amateur talent.
Either they had Wheeler ranked higher or the difference between them was very negligible.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jun 10, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we've been linked to wheeler since April
Sabean made it out to see him..etc
by jctGamer on Jun 10, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over the last week leading up to the draft, we were almost universally linked to Matzek.
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the organization did a great job playing it close to the vest.
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe it Wheeler wasn’t there, they would have taken Matzek. Some “expert” mocks had Wheeler going to Baltimore.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bonus demands only came the day before the draft so let’s say 6/8. Here is a mock draft dated 5/28 by the respected Jonathan Mayo. Mayo seems to be well connected and knowledgeable. Please check it out.
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that appears to confirm what I just wrote.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Callis’ final mock draft, the morning of the draft after the bonus demands came out, went like this. Wheeler was slated ahead of Matzek, who was going to the Giants. For the Giants, he wrote:
But a team picking this high almost always takes the best player available, and the Giants aren’t afraid of negotiating with tough signs, so that should lead them to Matzek. Zack Wheeler may be Plan B.
This is from the guy who nailed 8 of the 10 first picks (including the Giants) 45 minutes before the draft, and basically had the 10th narrowed down. I think, if anything, this dispels the “close to the vest” myth and also implies that the Giants thought higher of Matzek than Wheeler.
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
That would be in line with how BA rated the HS pitchers:
Turner
Matzek
Purke
Miller
Wheeler
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shades of Mel Kiper
Heck BA had Matzek #3 overall. No wonder they are selling him so high.
Source: BaseballAmerica
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the bonus demands scared them off.
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by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Matzek getting the U of Holes' fans hopes up
(fyi u of hole is oregon…)
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by cloudydays on Jun 10, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
holes
is that because the big letter O on the tshirts looks like a big hole?
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
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by foothillsfan on Jun 10, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re really big fans of Louis Sachar.
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by Natto on Jun 10, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lots of U of Oregon fans and alumni on here. (fyi)
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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 10, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't believe
you just dropped an oops, pow, surprise reference. I’d say it made my afternoon but I don’t want to admit that just yet.
by Gob on Jun 10, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Really? Signability? Really?
Bet the Giants would have pounced on Stephen Strasburg if he was available. SIgnability issues and all. Same for Ackley.
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You have two high school pitchers. The Giants like both of them. They have similar talent levels. Most people seem to think the Giants will go with Player A, but then Player A demands crazy money and makes some indications he might play college ball, and then they draft Player B.
Why is it so hard to believe that money is a part of that equation? It doesn’t mean Wheeler’s a bad pick, or we don’t like him. It’s not like the Giants drafted Tony Sanchez #4. But it seems rather likely money/signability was a factor.
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by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is so hard to believe the Giants picked a player who they loved. Barr has loved Wheeler for over about a year. Sabean agrees. Why does it have to be money?
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I acknowledged the possibility with my third gray box.
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by Grant on Jun 10, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who ever said they didn’t pick a player they loved?
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by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re the only one saying that it “had” to be anything. All people are saying is that it might have been about the money, and if so, that’s unfortunate.
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by Cookyman on Jun 10, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see why it’s unfortunate. Given how very close in apparent talent the two are, I actually think it’s smart.
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by Lyle on Jun 10, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah. We saved like $2M dollars, that’s kind of worthless on the FA market.
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by Cookyman on Jun 10, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
crucial there.
The giants are justly hesitant to go to 4 on him, but if you’ve saved the cash while getting someone you already like, putting that money toward mateo could be very, very helpful.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if the Giants thought that Mateo is worth $4M (I don’t think they do), they could have found the cash to sign him anyway. Last year we had our most expensive draft ever, and still we signed Rafael Rodriguez for $2.6M. Our payroll is still almost $10M lower than what it used to be before 2008.
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by Cookyman on Jun 11, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think 2 million is worthless, it can be used to sway a tough sign in the later rounds, or several of them, it can be used overseas like many have said. I know you just said FA market but you act like two million is a negligible amount, and that amount of money could help the Giants a lot.
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 10, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn’t have to be about money. But that could play a role. In this instance, with the two being rated basically the same, I wouldn’t blame them for it, if it was the tiebreaker, particularly in a draft that wasn’t top heavy with superior talent like last year’s draft was.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matzek won’t sign for less than $7 million. Those OC kids….
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by Scooter Ellis on Jun 10, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to watching Zack Wheeler give interviews pitch.
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by Norm Median on Jun 10, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Baltimore go with Hobgoblin because Wheeler was gonna be too expensive? lol.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol hobgoblin
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by Karlifornia on Jun 10, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
love the name.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is disappointing
We only drafted 2 brothas and several other minorities in 30 rounds.
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 10, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
why are you stuck on drafting black people?
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
best player available
I really don’t think race should matter one bit.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but clearly
we need more asian dudes in our system
by jctGamer on Jun 10, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MONEY and ALL STAR VOTES!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you combine Travis Ishikawa and Lincecum, you get one!
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by Natto on Jun 10, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Espineli makes 2!
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by EliminateMe on Jun 10, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the draft needs affirmative action
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 10, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the biggest travesty of Day Two was going to be the lack of Madison Younginer??
by SeeingStars on Jun 10, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statistically, there aren’t many blacks who play baseball anymore, so most drafts will have a small number.
And most latin american talent is FA, so there is a small percentage that are strong draft candidates, compared to the percentage of mlb and milb players.
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by haverecords on Jun 10, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Giants would probably pass an Adverse Impact analysis.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 10, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought
Clearly it was MATZEK who has the coke problem.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’m glad Wheeler is a Pepsi man then.
Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba, Pepsi!
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by Scooter Ellis on Jun 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean screwed up! We could have had Slater. He went to a Cal! Dump the preppy and sign AC!!!!

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by Norm Median on Jun 10, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He went to Cal, not a Cal. Damn it, my whole post is ruined.
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by Norm Median on Jun 10, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised Belding never followed them to college, like Feeny did in Boy Meets World, which made no sense. I mean if your junior high principal (who happens to live behind you) follows you to high school and then becomes your college’s dean, somebody’s a-stalking you.
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by Scooter Ellis on Jun 10, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belding did show up on the Thanksgiving episode when Screech ordered frozen turkeys instead of cooked ones. Uh, I think I need to go outside now…
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by NuschlerFace on Jun 10, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They replaced Belding with Bob Golic!
by The Double Deuce on Jun 10, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t tell who looks Goofier.
by The Double Deuce on Jun 10, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kept waiting for the big reveal in the final episode that Feeny was really a figment of Corey’s imagination.
It would have been so mind-blowing!
by The Double Deuce on Jun 10, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy who played Mr. Feeney was the President of the Screen Actors Guild for a few years. It made it somewhat difficult for me to take them seriously as a union.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 10, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat relevant Onion story
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/cory_matthews_mr_feeny
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by Natto on Jun 10, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also sort of relevant
I stumbled upon the show the chick who played Topanga hosts on the Style Network (it’s basically like Talk Soup or The Soup) and was pleasantly surprised, it was actually quite funny.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 10, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is not the McCovey Chronicles that I know
Everybody wants to give the Giants the benefit of the doubt, and it seems like people are searching for reasons not to like Matzek. People around here are supposed to irrationally hate the Giants pick and prefer somebody else for no particular reason.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 10, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF R U DOIN GIYANTS BARZZ I WANTED TANUR SHEPPARS
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 10, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The season has broken us down to the point where we feel nothing anymore.
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by Natto on Jun 10, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just seems silly to me to get worked up over one high school pitcher over another.
Now if there had been a college hitter we had all been in love with and the Giants went with a high school pitcher… well actually, after the last few years, we might still be pretty okay with it.
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by jponry on Jun 10, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not THAT lottery ticket, THIS lottery ticket!
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 10, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Joseph C/RHP Sr. R-R 6-1 210 Horizon Phoenix Arizona 7/16/1991
SCOUTING PROFILE (3/1): Joseph has been overlooked somewhat among the exceptional crop of catchers in the 2009 high-school class but that could change this spring-especially if the powerfully-built righthanded hitter can consistently show his offensive potential. He has a loose, extended swing with an ideal swing plane that produces easy over-the-fence power. He has the best projected power of any prep senior in Arizona and was the state’s representative in the International High School Power Showcase Home Run Derby, held at Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, Fla., in January.
If Joseph shows he can make the necessary adjustments to top-level stuff, he could be a top offensive performer at a premium defensive position. He has a short, quick, compact stroke, and the ball jumps off his bat-whether using wood or aluminum. Joseph is relatively new to catching on an everyday basis as he served mainly as a backup his first three years at Horizon High, though he played first base to get his potent bat in the lineup. He has plenty of arm strength and a good, clean exchange to catch at the upper levels, but has a way to go to refine his receiving skills. He isn’t blessed with much natural speed or agility, but has surprising quickness behind the plate.-DAVID RAWNSLEY
UPDATE (5/15): Joseph’s obvious strength is his power, and it was prominently on display this spring as he homered 15 times, while batting .494 with 35 RBIs. He more than did his part in leading Arizona prep power Horizon High into its sixth straight state-championship game appearance, a loss. Long-time Arizona scouts were quick to compare Joseph to long-time big leaguer Paul Konerko, a first-round draft pick in 1994 out of Scottsdale’s Chaparral High who had a very similar profile to Joseph at the same stage of development. Konerko was seen as a superior catcher at the time, though he was still quickly moved to first base in pro ball. The same fate could befall Joseph as he lacks polish and agility behind the plate, though he has arm strength and a quick, clean exchange.
Source: PGCrossChecker
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Paul Konerko? Yes, please.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 10, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like a pretty good comp to me.
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by jponry on Jun 10, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Dominguez 3B Jr. R-R 6-5 235 Louisville Miami Rockies ’08 (5) 11/22/1986
SCOUTING PROFILE (3/1): Over the last two summers, no Cape Cod League player intrigued scouts with his raw tools more than Dominguez. But his ability to use them efficiently left them equally befuddled. That was particularly so in 2007, when Dominguez hit .266-15-61 and struck out a national-high 86 times as a red-shirt freshman at Louisville, and followed by hitting a feeble .216-3-8 in the Cape, with 38 more strikeouts in 97 at-bats. But Dominguez began to tap into his considerable talent more consistently last year as he batted a robust .365-21-78 at Louisville, and shaved his strikeout count to 47. His improvement in the Cape was equally dramatic as he earned all-star honors at third base by topping the league with 10 homers (including three in one game) and 22 extra-base hits, although he hit a modest .262 and posted just a 10-51 walk-to-strikeout ratio.
Dominguez is still playing catch-up, to a degree, after breaking his arm three games into his freshman season at Louisville, and missing a critical year of development. As a draft-eligible sophomore, he elected to return to the Cape last summer rather than sign with the Colorado Rockies, who selected him in the fifth round in June. His decision could pay off handsomely in the 2009 draft as his raw power and arm strength are first-round quality tools, and his surprising mobility at third for a player his size is an asset. Dominguez has a fluid stroke and easy power in his 6-foot-5, 235-pound frame, though his tendency to swing-and-miss at a high rate is a definite red flag. He has a long, often wild swing and remains prone to chasing first-pitch breaking balls and becoming an easy strikeout victim in the process as he has a poor two-strike approach. But he has good hand-eye coordination, which has enabled him to recognize pitches a lot better and take greater advantage of his power. He still needs to modify his plate approach, however, especially his pitch recognition. He can punish mistake pitches, but needs to figure out which pitches he can hit, and those which he can’t-notably pitches on his hands.
Dominguez also has exceptional arm strength and has been clocked at 95 mph across the diamond. His range on the hot corner is somewhat limited because he lacks first-step quickness, but he moves surprisingly well for a player his size, has good hands and displays surprisingly fluid actions around the bag. He is especially adept at handling the slow roller as his huge hands enable him to barehand most balls cleanly. He could become an exceptional defender at first, if a team is still inclined to move him there, though his arm would be wasted in that role. A team that values raw tools will look seriously at Dominguez in the first round next June, especially since he has finally come close to playing up to his considerable potential, but his inconsistent past may cause others to be more cautious.-ALLAN SIMPSON
UPDATE (5/15): Dominguez has been one of the most-analyzed prospects in the country over the last seven years-or ever since he was a man-child high-school prospect down in the Miami area. That hasn’t always served Dominguez well as he is a player with flaws in his actions and approach-despite his huge tools. But those tools seem to play more and more every year, and his massive production speaks towards it. Dominguez hit .348-23-80 with 19 stolen bases this spring (as Louisville entered NCAA super-regional play) despite being pitched around consistently. He’s done a better job of shortening up his swing and learning how to lay off breaking balls outside the zone, and yet still hits the ball out of the park from foul line to foul line. Dominguez’ defense wasn’t as steady this year as he made 23 errors, despite playing on Louisville’s all-turf field, but the tools remain strong. Pinning down a draft round on Dominguez is more difficult than most players; but it wouldn’t be surprising if he went as high as the compensation round (or even late in the first round) to a tools-oriented team, but he could also have to wait until the second day (4th round and beyond) to hear his name called.-DAVID RAWNSLEY
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by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He has a long, often wild swing and remains prone to chasing first-pitch breaking balls and becoming an easy strikeout victim in the process as he has a poor two-strike approach. But he has good hand-eye coordination, which has enabled him to recognize pitches a lot better and take greater advantage of his power. He still needs to modify his plate approach, however, especially his pitch recognition. He can punish mistake pitches, but needs to figure out which pitches he can hit
So he’s basically Pedro Feliz?
by DividedByZero on Jun 10, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too soon for a new top prospects list?
1. Bumgarner
2. Posey
3. Alderson
4. Villalona
5. Wheeler
6. Sosa
7. Rodriguez
8. Joseph
9. Crawford
10. Noonan
?
by Evan on Jun 10, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where is Jackson Williams on this list?!?
by SeeingStars on Jun 10, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wait, he’s going to get a rep as Tim Alderson’s personal catcher or something and play for the Giants for ten years.
by Evan on Jun 10, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we're talkin'
Bumgarner
Posey
Villalona
Alderson
Wheeler
Neal
Crawford
Joseph
Adrianza
Rodriguez
by Dan from NM on Jun 10, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I completely forgot Neal. He’s in the 6-8 range for sure.
You don’t like Sosa?
by Evan on Jun 10, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The drop in Ks concerns me a little. But he’s probably the equal of Adrianza and Rodriguez, given that’s already succeeding in Double-A.
by Dan from NM on Jun 10, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, I didn’t realize his strikeout rate had dropped that much. Not good.
by Evan on Jun 10, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Bumgarner
2. Alderson
3. Villalona
4. Posey
5. Neal
6. Adrianza
7. Sosa
8. Bowker
9. EME
10. Crawford
by wilriv21 on Jun 10, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowker has too MLB many at bats to qualify as a prospect anymore. I’m loving what he’s doing in Fresno (I almost said “in Phoenix” – geez!) this year, though.
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Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noonan’s fallen out of the top ten for me. Top 15, even. He wasn’t that good last year and he’s simply ben bad this season. His walks are up a bit, but everything else is down.
My list is looking something like:
1) Bumgarner
2) Posey
3) Villalona
4) Alderson
5) Wheeler
6) Kieschnick
7) Crawford
8) Rodriguez
9) Sosa
10) Neal
Give or take a couple of spots here or there.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other guys I'd put above Noonan
Gillaspie, Adrianza, maybe Barnes and Quirarte, maybe Joseph and Dominguez…
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come to think about it, I don’t have any particular reason for Kieschnick over Neal. I thought Neal was older, but he’s actually a few months younger.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was going to wtf that … I don’t really see anything encouraging about Kieschnick. Or Gillaspie, for that matter. Noonan at least has youth and defense on his side.
by Evan on Jun 10, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The story on Kieschnick when he was drafted was that he was a potential five-tool player, but hadn’t put it together yet and would probably be a bit of a project. With that in mind, his .297 / .338 / .475 line, while not as good as what Neal’s done, is encouraging.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whereas Noonan is looking worse all the time. Yeah, he’s young, but he has an OBP below .300, too many strike outs, and no power.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a terrible line, but the 12 walks and 57 strikeouts in 219 at-bats is a deal-breaker for me. Maybe he should spend some time with John Bowker.
by Evan on Jun 10, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to Noonan’s 15 walks and 49 Ks in 202 at bats? :)
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying that Noonan hasn’t been terrible. I’m saying that his youth and his ability to play the middle infield make me much more inclined to give him a mulligan for a crappy half-season than a 22-year-old right fielder.
by Evan on Jun 10, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I still had him in my top 10 – #6, I think – after his crappy year last year. But he’s followed up that crappy year with an even worse year. I’m not giving up on him entirely, but it’s not looking good for Mr. Noonan in my opinion.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And hey, Kieschnick just hit another homer!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by groug on Jun 10, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EME at #11?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 10, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, absolutely
Incidentally, that might have been the first time anyone used that autoformat on purpose on McC.
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by groug on Jun 10, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my top 10
1. Bumgarner
2. Posey
3. Alderson
4. Villalona
5. Wheeler
6. Sosa
7. Crawford
8. Kieshnick
9. Neal
10. Guzman
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 10, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few still need nicknames
- MadBum
- Busty
- T2
- Wheeler
- AnVil
- Crawford
- before Zod
- Jesus
- Kieschnick
- Joseph
I love that, at least on my list, our pitching depth is all now at 11+. Obviously, there are the 3 big boys in the top 5, but there are a bunch of interesting arms buried behind our hitting prospects. GIANTS HITTING PROSPECTS! When did this happen and why wasn’t I informed?
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 10, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m happy with the draft. It didn’t make me want to jump up and down in joy like last year’s, but it’s solid.
I like Zack Wheeler. It’s hard to argue against a high school pitcher who’s loved by both the Giants and Braves, two organizations that know how to develop pitching.
Tommy Joseph is real interesting. He absolutely crushes the ball in all the videos I’ve seen. I’m excited to see how he develops.
I’m not sure what to make of Chris Dominguez. He’s got the mix of tools and holes that’s typical of a third rounder. I had imagined him as a lumbering oaf with a big stick, but he actually looks pretty athletic. Plus, he’ll have wilriv making lots of “toe the rubber in the city” comments with that arm.
Jason Stoffel is a pretty good pick in the fourth round. He was a possible first rounder before a mediocre season dropped him.
My only disappointment is that I’d hoped a high-profile signability guy would fall to the Giants.
All in all, a good draft so far. And, frankly, after a run of Lincecum-Bumgarner-Posey as first-round picks, I’m willing to trust Barr, Tidrow and company.
by Dan from NM on Jun 10, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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