Carlos Lee, worth pursuing?
by Fresburg on May 8, 2009 8:21 AM PDT
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PrintAs if we couldn't assume, the Astros will likely be one of the sellers this summer. Richard Justice blogs that the Astros will be selling on Carlos Lee and others, and even willing to pick up some of the salaries. I don't see anyone they have worth pursuing for the Giants other than Lee and Oswalt, but Lee obviously fills a greater need.
Here's some of the Pros and Cons of Lee:
Pro: Middle of the order hitter. Projects for a high .800 OPS. Averaged 20.9 replacement runs from '06-08. Averaged a dollar value of $12.66 M over '06-09. Right handed hitter, whom the Giants already had interest in.
Con: Butcher in left field. 32 years old (33 in June), and has recent injury issues. Remaining salary of $18.5 M through 2012 (74 M over 4 years). Would likely move Freddie to the bench.
So is Carlos Lee worth pursuing? If so what would it take to get him?
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on May 8, 2009 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
And we’re done.
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The logic of your statement appeals to me.
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I came in to say
“Please God No”, but see that JP has already done the work for me.
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The Giants already tried once. They offered him more money than Houston and he went with Houston. I’d rather not have this turn into another false white whale signing a la Steve Finley, where the management had a boner for him for years and signed him only after Finley had no other place to go.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2009 8:42 AM PDT reply actions
Oh yeah
I still stand by my no thanks re: Lee.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 12, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Noooo!! Not at that salary. If they could get Berkman to waive his no-trade, I'd consider that, but that's a major longshot.
by www.westcoastbias.com on May 8, 2009 8:46 AM PDT reply actions
Berkman doesn’t think much of San Francisco as a city.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
IIRC he’s said he hates San Francisco.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Romophobe
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
Not worth the money.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
Almost all of it. He’s not a big improvement over Lewis and/or Schierholtz right now. Who knows what he’ll be worth in 3 years.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
You can't be serious
Fred Lewis—Shitty fielder, hitting like .300, drives in a run once every month or so, strikes out ton, and stole a base.
Carlos Lee—Shittly fielder, hitting like .300, drives in 1000 runs a decade, hits bombs, doesn’t strike out a whole lot, and has one less steal than fred lewis
To call him not an improvement over fred lewis is insane. Is he expensive? Yes. But that is why Houston should pay us alot to take him
In what way is he wrong? Them’s the facts. Now, he may decline as he gets older, but right now Lee is MUCH better than Fred Lewis.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
Cookyman already said it, Lee is better, but not by much. And when you consider his player-type and contract, he’s really undesirable. And, the fact that the poster above is calling Fred Lewis a ‘shitty fielder’ makes me question his judgment!
You can’t be serious. Even the broadcasters mention his problems holding onto the ball every few games. Do you question theirs too?
And my posts above were made before FredK left five guys on base Sunday by looking at called third strikes, and had four more LOB in the first three innings last night.
Too say that we don’t need a bat like Lee at the right price is kind of comical. Its what all of us complain that the Giants need…A big bat (insert weight joke about Lee, Molina, and Sandoval here!)
To call him not an improvement over fred lewis is insane.
Hmm. So I guess it’s a good thing I never did that.
Carlos lee is a very good hitter. Fred Lewis is an averagish hitter. Carlos Lee is a terrible fielder. Fred Lewis is an above average fielder. Carlos Lee is a decent base runner. Fred Lewis is better. Overall, Lee is better, but the differnce isn’t big enough for him to be worth his contract now, let alone in three years. And this is before even discussing the prospects we’d lose in that trade.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
Above average fielders don’t drop routine fly balls. Or lets go back to last year when he tried to play tip-drill with Rowand out there. The guy is and always has taken horrible routes to balls and been a hack out there. Right now every ball has us all nervous whether he will actually catch it or not. That doesn’t happen with “above average” fielders
Not saying we should give up anything useful, but if the Astros are sellers like the title says, why not play The Price is Right? If they will suck down 30-50% of that salary I am all for it. We aren’t going to win 1-0, 2-1, 3-1 games forever and somebody has to hit cleanup, so it may as well not be an aging catcher
in the outfield, having superior range will get you more outs than having superior ball catching abilities.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
In this game, you win if you score more runs than the other team.
Didn’t happen that much in recent years with no cleanup hitter
I was just arguing with the part about Lewis’s defense.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
In this game, you win if you score more runs than the other team.
The Giants having a winning record even though theiy’re scoring less runs than the other team.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
So thats going to be your sales pitch for keeping our young pitchers when their contracts are up huh?
Money is your sales pitch #1.
I has been for 40+ years and it will still be.
- sales pitch is you hold on to guys in Cian (or Lowry or Woody before them) who were not as intrested in getting top dollar so as to stay here.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
bloody auto formate!
- sales pitch is you hold on to guys in Cian (or Lowry or Woody before them) who were not as intrested in getting top dollar so as to stay here.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
I see your point with Cain, but all we bought out were his arbitration years. Hopefully finally putting up some Ws will make him want to stay longer, but after the frustrating last couple years, would you really fault him for going to a contender?
As for Lowry and Woody, i’m not sure that should be used as a sales pitch for anything but retirement planning services
In this game you want to be able to trade your outs for runs at a better rate than the team in the other dug out does. And that is the baseball.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 11, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
in the outfield game of baseball, having superior range will get you more outs than having superior ball catching abilities.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
It’s more pronounced in the outfield.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Oh, definitely. I’m just saying that the ability to get to as any balls as possible is the most important part of being a fielder in the major leagues. Different positions require different skill sets, but range always remains the most important skill.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
If you think Fred Lewis is a shitty fielder, you haven’t sat through a week of Carlos Lee.
That dude has no ground to cover in the Juice Box, and still looks bad covering it.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
I wouldn't mind..
a Rowand + something for Lee.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
Elaborate?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember some article claim racism towards Latin players, very vaguely. (Maybe Baggs?)
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 8, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I am having issues linking… copy and paste
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2005/8/10/175823/488#980318
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 8, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
WTF...it links on its own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HULK, SMASH!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 8, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
SBN FTW
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
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Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
oh I thought this was a serious inquiry. For the Giants to seriously be racist against Latinos would be a staggering event, considering the ambassador/talent evaluation role Felipe Alou has taken in DR. They’ve always been a team that has welcomed and embraced Latino ballplayers. I remember the Krueger incident and I thought his fatal flaw was bringing any kind of ethnic epithet into it. Once he mentioned “Carribean” I knew he was done for.
I need to go back to bed or something. I’m in a mood and looking for fights even on the blog I love. On the blog that loves me. :(
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
EWWW….This blog has love?
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 8, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
And rainbows and lollipops
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
that's slightly disturbing
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
HACKERS
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on May 8, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, no thanks
though (brace for impact) HE’S HELPING MY FANTASY TEAM THIS YEAR
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Same here
One of my keeper picks. Though I drafted Volquez. If Lee declines I won’t hesitate to drop him from my keeper list and slide Volquez in there. Other keepers: Tim, Aramis Ramirez, Adrian Gonzalez.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 8, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
If Rowand were a hell of a lot better or a hell of a lot cheaper
then I’d say MAYBE. But simply put, no thanks Carlos.
Nah. We could buy a potted plant for cheaper. Same range in LF.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
can't play IF
no way.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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If he played 1B
sure. But since he doesn’t… no
Baseball is a lot like life. The line drives are caught, the squibbles go for base hits. It's an unfair game. -Rod Kanehl. Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis
How much $$$?
How much of the contract would they pay? If it was like HALF, I would like to see him in a Giants uni. His BP at the All-Star game here was the most impressive I have ever seen other that Barry’s
It depends on the price. If we had to give up ANYTHING to get him, hell no. If they ate a large amount of salary just to dump him and got nothing back… yes.
But I don’t see that happening, so no.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
I’ve never been a big fan of leadoff hitters that strike out alot and don’t steal bases. But thats just me
If you don’t like a leadoff hitter with a .400 OBP, that’s probably just you, too.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
So you didn’t question his potential yesterday when he took two strikeouts looking, one with guys on 2nd & 3rd, one with the bases loaded?
If he keeps this up, he has a chance to be the first leadoff man to strike out 200 times in a season. Future Ryan Howard, -50 homers
You do realize a fast runner on base significantly betters the chances following batter(s) even if the runner is not doing something risky? Like about 14 wObp better.
Then figure that chance to add to pitchers pitch count and get middle relivers into a game and it becomes real useful to have fast runner that gets on 2 out of 5 times a game. Maybe even more improtant then your vaunted 50 HRs. 50 homers will mean a homer once every 3 games or so for you 200 K. Or you can improve the whole inning up as a 6 time in 3 games.
I miss the Mays & McCovey, Williams & Clark, days myself but every time those dous were realy dangerious you had table setters. Lewis is a table setter.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
Everyone makes mistakes...
But c’mon, dude. Run your comments through MS Word’s spell-check before you hit “POST”; it ain’t that hard. I’m pretty sure you’ve got some insightful things to write, but I can’t really tell with all arbitrary CAPS and run-on sentences. You can’t just put a period in because you feel like it; there’s a method to ending a sentence. Also, “then” doesn’t = “than”.
Sorry to be a dick, but I wanna understand what you write, and it’s often difficult to do.
Stupid is as Ruben Rivera does...
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