Deadline Trade?
by TexasRanger on May 5, 2009 11:42 PM PDT
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So i'm sure that many of you are like me and are pleasantly surprised at how this team is playing right, or many of you are right on the money, hovering right around .500. Now I know that we cannot win the division with this current team, but I also believe that the Dodgers will not keep this pace up all season, and that we could be lurking in the division. I think that having one big bat could help us a lot on the road to contention.
Now the question open for McCoven discussion is this, do we need to trade for a bat, do we need to contend this year, because with our rotation we have a decent shot in the playoffs. If we do feel the need to swing a trade I think a first baseman is the most obvious position that we could upgrade at, or maybe even second.
What do you guys think, should we try to contend this year, or continue to build? Who should we target? Where should we upgrade? And how much should we give up? Oh and the first person who writes Cain for Fielder in any ridiculous manifestation of their names will be shot. That is all
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It really depends on where we are once the deadline approaches. If the Dodgers keep playing like they are (which is a serious possibility) then I say let it pass and be happy with .500.
Actually, fuck it, we gotta go all out. I really don’t want to have to endure a Dodgers WS run.
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As of right now, i’m not at all worried about the dodgers doing anything in the playoffs. Unless Kershaw suddenly figures it out (and I wouldn’t bet on that happening this year), they don’t have the starting pitching to do much, IMHO.
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I agree that their rotation is suspect and definitely their weakest aspect… but it’s not as if a dominant rotation is the sole deciding factor.
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Myers is a unique player, he was awful his first 1/2 and incredable the second so a season long stat is going to tell you how good he was in the playoffs
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by say hey nation on May 6, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Wear and tear as well.
That is entirely different starting 8 if they are lacking Furcal and /or Manny. I know Furcal has not light this up this season so far ( still 333/412/444 with 51 P.A.’s when the leading off an inning vs. 248/325/314 over all) but if they are looking at Hu to shoulder a lot of late season time at SS it’s a large difference.
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I was just thinking about this today. It’s a tough call, but I wouldn’t make a trade unless we could magically obtain someone who’d be with the team for a while. I don’t think it’s worth the risk getting rid of some of our prospects to take a chance at winning the division.
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Yeah me too, I think it would be a shame to waste this rotation but our future is too bright to mortgage right now
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Agreed
No more short-term solutions – let’s build it the right way.
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My return rhetorical question would be:
How many world series rings have the Giants won by trading young talent away for veteran bats?
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by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well other than the unmentionable trade
the giants have not traded away any talent, although they have traded away youth.
I should add I am not necessarily in favor of trading anyone in particular away… but to dismiss the strategy as “the wrong way” is asinine.
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I think ignoring the farm system, as they did, was the wrong way. Developing helps you compete.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
so there is a false dichotomy here
just because the giants of 1997?-2006 stupidly did not develop their farm system does NOT imply that SOMETIMES trading talent – even young talent – for ML ready players who can contribute now is not a good idea.
If you want to say that you dont trust GINTS BRASSZ to make a reasonable trade, I am OK with that assessment.
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I have to say I’m starting to be a little impressed by Shairon Martis performance this year (particularly given how young he is). And in its own way, that trade was the least defensible of all because the jig was so clearly up at that point.
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Now, at the time I hated that trade almost as much I hate the Leo Estrella and Wayne Franklin for Carlos Villanueva deal. But, I think I would still make that trade because I would rather have that comp pick that they got for Stanton than Martis. I think. This is not to defend the bad drafts picks after MadBum that year, I simply think that they should have drafted much, much smarter.
But could they have predicted the comp pick when they traded for Stanton? He had been pretty horrible up to that point in ’06 and he was 39 at the time. Seems quite reasonable that had his numbers in SF equalled what he had done with the Nats that season he might well have: a) fallen in Comp status; b) jumped at an arbitration offer; c) not been offered a major league free agent contract by any other team; d) retired; or e) some combination of the above. He only played that one more season for Cincinnati — and terribly at that.
I don’t see that picking up the Comp pick could rationally have been a major motivating factor for the trade at the time even if they did in fact end up with a good one when all was said and done.
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I don’t have a problem with that trade because at the time I’d rather have had the supplemental draft pick than Martis. We didn’t end up using that pick very well, but that’s another criticism really. With regards to Martis, he’s done better but I’m still pretty skeptical about him long term and his K/BB rate is pretty uninspiring.
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by j14 on May 6, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
plus I think LA could easily slip inot an all in mode. And that would only help us over the next few years.
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The rightside of the infield is worth looking at the moment. Burriss seems to have found his groove however Ishikawa is worth keeping an eye on. Would prefer inhouse options first (Frandsen, Guzman and Bowker) before looking outside the organization. Also think of switching the seldom used Steve Holm with the LHH Adam Witter.
Except not Bowker.
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Seriously there really are only a couple spots the Giants could "hide" a strong stick/weak glove guy not get burned to a cinder in my opinion. LF, 1st & 3rd are those 3 spots and I don’t think they can do it in more than 2 of those spots at a time if they want any reasonable hope of going deep into the post season.
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Strong stick is a bit hopeful.
Between him and Ishikawa might as well go with the guy that can catch the damn ball.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
But he started last season so well…
Plus he’s got actual 20 HR power.
Plus, dude hits line drives.
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He has 20 HR power, but unless something changes, he won’t hit 20 HRs.
He’s taking walks in Fresno, but the power hasn’t been there BTW.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Yeah but it was here last season. Don’t know what he’s doing differently this year though. (I guess taking walks? Though I don’t know how that’d result in a reduction in power.)
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It means he is probably not being as aggressive and letting pitches go by that he would have hit out of the park last year. Hopefully he will figure out how to balance aggressiveness and selection
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Yeah. It’s weird. But don’t you remember how the power went away as soon as pitchers figured out that he had zero pitch recognition skills?
I think patience only helps you if you can figure out which pitch to swing at.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
But the power seemed to come back when he figured in out
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by say hey nation on May 6, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I must have missed that part.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
I'll take the under on 20 HR
for his MLB CAREER.
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really?
he’s halfway there already.
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no not reallly
I thought he was like 28 and was assuming his career was basically over.
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get below average production from it?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
This team needs no pointers on how to get Below League Average Production from First base.
But it should try all pointers to increaseing any production for first!
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I think the Giants should wait and see on John Bowker, but I don’t think his bat is impressive enough to warrant switching his position again.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
stop makeing sense.
Longer term I could see him LF unless his glove is better in the OF then I think ( That is entirely possible btw).
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IIRC he has an above average arm, meh range and instincts. He could probably play right anywhere but SF, if that’s true.
He might surpass Schierholtz if he can ever figure out which pitch to swing at, which not to.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
What about Miguel Cabrera? If Detroit has their fire sale this summer, he’d be a great player to target. He’s only 26, one of the best hitters in the majors, under control for a while… it’d take a lot to get him, like Bumgarner or Alderson plus some players, but he’d be worth it. Probably a pipe dream, and he might block Villalona, but worth a look.
You could say almost the exact same things about the player I’d like to see them go after: Adrian Gonzalez.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on May 6, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I was just thinking of this earlier today...
If the Pads continue to sink, and the team decides to trade Peavey, maybe we could make a play for Gonzalez. Trading within the division is always tough, especially when it comes to acquiring marquee guys like AG, but still, it makes a lot of sense to me for both sides. For the Giants, we’d be acquiring a proven offensive star at a position of need. Moreover, he’s just now entering his prime. Moreover, he plays for one of the few teams in the league where a move to AT&T Park could actually help his offensive power numbers. And he’s pretty slick with the glove to boot.
But what are the Pads getting out of it? Well, to be honest, I’d be willing to basically give them any two prospects not named Bumgarner or Posey. If that meant Villalona and Alderson, I’d wince, but pull the trigger. Heck, I’d be willing to even throw in a little more than that. Basically, Gonzalez is the best possible type of player I think we’d realistically have a chance to acquire in the near term future. Given how good the pitching is right now, I’d be willing to do a lot to get this one done.
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by Smoke on the Water on May 6, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions
If the Giants traded for Adrian Gonzalez I’d vomit in uncontrolled excitement. This is a good thing.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 6, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I love the idea of going after Gonzalez, especially if they could do it with trading only one of alderson/villalona + 2-3 other prospects.
But I wonder if San Diego will really be selling Gonzalez right now. He makes almost nothing, and with the new ownership they might be in better shape to spend money.
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I would give up Villalona + to get him
by FairweatherFan on May 6, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
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Man, I wish the Giants had made that trade instead of the Pads…
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That could be interesting, I highly doubt they trade him, but I might do it. I don’t care if he were to block angel, because Angel will never be the hitter Miguel Cabrera is, maybe include Angel in the trade?
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How can you say he’ll never be the hitter Cabrera is?
From a pure ‘likelihood’ level, he is unlikely to be (since many prospects do not pan out), but from a skills, and comparison basis, you have absolutely no grounds to say that. Who knows if he will, but there is no way you can pronounce like that.
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I didn’t follow Cabrera up through the minors, but wasn’t he hitting bombs in the majors at 19 years old?
He was in the majors during his Age 20 season, coming up from AA toward the end of the season. So actually Angel is a year ahead. Miguel was in A+ in his age 20 season, Angel is in A+ in his age 19 season.
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So basically what you are trying to say is that we can expect Angel to be better, right?
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by j14 on May 6, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Cabrera was about four months older than Villalona at the same levels, so Angel isn’t really a year ahead.
Comparing their low-minors numbers, Villalona has the edge in power, but Cabrera had better k/w numbers, which are more important imho.
Despite his hot start, Villalona’s San Jose numbers are starting to look pretty awful.
In what world is .305/.330/.432/.762 for an 18 year old in A+ “awful”? I’ll give you not great, but they’re a far cry from awful.
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Forget his age for a second and look at what he’s actually done. .305/.330/.432 isn’t good for a first baseman at any level, particularly one who isn’t all that great in the field. You want that performance in the majors, you hire Shea Hillenbrand.
Look closer and it gets worse. His babip is high, his line drive rate is low. His k/w numbers project out to around 90 to 18. And he’s playing in a hitters’ league.
The beauty of his youth is that it gives him all the time in the world to improve — but that’s in no way guaranteed. Plenty of players, from Gregg Jeffries to Luis Rivas to Alex Rodriguez to a zillion minor leaguers we’ve never heard the names of, never got any better than they were at 19 or 20.
Look at what Cabrerra did in his age 19 season in A+: .274/.333/.421/.754
Guess he was pretty awful too.
Also line drive rates for minor leaguers are VERY sketchy, to the point where you really shouldn’t be quoting them.
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My point is that Cabrera’s approach at that age was conducive to eventually turning his great skills into performance. Angel’s, so far, isn’t.
Why though?
What about, say, Pablo’s approach?
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I’d rate his defensive skills at 1b as at least above average.
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I’ll take your word for it on the defense. I keep hearing about dumb plays he’s making. I guess good skills/bad decisions is a more promising combo for an 18-year-old than the other way around.
On the approach: all the superyoung phenoms I know of who became impact hitters in the bigs (Cabrera, Beltre, Andruw Jones, etc.) had at least decent control of the strike zone from the moment they started out in the minors. Even Vlad Guerrero had solid k/w numbers coming up. The phenoms who flopped (Joel Guzman, Wily Mo Pena, etc.) were egregious hackers.
The only player I know of who learned plate discipline from an unpromising start is Jose Reyes, who’s obviously a very different sort of hitter than Angel.
pablo is a special case though, where his approach does not usually lead to major league success, and to say oh well if Pablo can do it anyone can is kind of silly.
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I didn't say that though
I really didn’t even come close. All I’m saying is that saying he’ll NEVER be a great ML hitter, or saying his current line is “awful” is completely ridiculous.
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because Angel is never going to hit .330 or put up an obp higher than .400 he is a hacker and a power hitter while cabrera is probably a top five hitter in the bigs. Cabreras career line .312/.383/.544, do you really think Angel can put up numbers like that? I see Angel as more of a .270- .290 hitter, .330 obp and about 30 jacks a year
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Can I have your time machine please?
Will Angel match those numbers? Probably not. Can he? Yeah. It’s not outside the realm of possibility. I agree that it’s not likely, and I’d really like to have Cabrera, but to just dismiss it as impossible is silly.
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They have different skill sets as a hitter, Miguel is a more patient and selective hitter willing to use the whole field, and AnVil is a hacker who won’t take a walk. It’s not a bad thing I just don’t see Angel stacking up as one of the best all time (which if Cabrera keeps it up, he could be regarded as.)
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It’s unlikely, sure. But it’s still really silly to say it’s impossible.
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Angel, i read, was scouted as having an 80 in power. That is as good as it gets. This is why he is such a prospect. He is a McGwire type power hitter in potentia. These guys don’t come along very often…hopefully he pans out.
FWIW: I don’t know if McGwire was an 80 but he was pretty much the closest thing to AnVil I can think of.
by positiveuphemism on May 6, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
McGwire
had a MLB career walkrate of 17.9% That’s about 17% higher than Anvils (OK, more like 14%… but still)
He hit .271/.393/.481 at single-A modesto his first full year there (age 21). So to be Big Mac, Anvil has 3 years to learn some plate disipline.
A more interesting comparison might be Sammy Sosa who hit .229/.282/.355 as a 19 y.o. A-baller in the florida state league.
Take all the above minor league numbers with a grain of rice, since I am not correcting for park, league, or year.
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being a hacker who won't take a walk IS a bad thing
or do you work for the Giants?
It’s bad – but not necessarily a FATAL thing (see Sandoval, or even Molina). Usually fatal though.
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even legendary hacker Vlad Guerrero
has a BB rate of 10.7%, which is above average in MLB…. and higher than anyone on the 2009 Giants with more than 20 PAs, except FLew.
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Let's worry about who's "blocking" who
once Villalona makes the bigs. Then trade him (or whoever’s blocking). Problem solved, and in the meantime Molina is not the cleanup hitter any more.
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by natteringnabob on May 6, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Mmm, trades that make Molina the not-cleanup hitter. I like those.
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I would do that trade, in heartbeat.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
They have explicitly said they have no interest in trading him. Thy reaffirmed this last week or so, in strong words.
They’d basically have to be hemorrhaging to the point of bankruptcy to move him (and you’d have to take on some nasty contracts, and give up a heavy prospect load). Not going to happen.
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They want to move Peavy because he makes big money. They have absolutely no reason to move Adrian Gonzalez unless they want to intentionally lose games to get a high draft pick. I’ve seen that in the NBA, but not in major league baseball.
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I was speaking of Cabrera.
But as for the Pads. The padre fans I’ve spoken to have said that their finances have stabilized (since the ownership situation did), and thus they have a lot less interest in trading Peavy.
Now, they’ll have to trade one of Blanks/Gonzales, and who knows how that’ll play out.
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Word is they’re trying Blanks out in LF, so they may be trying to figure out a solution that trades Kouzmanoff, slides Headley back to third and sticks Blanks in LF.
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by GiantsFanInExile on May 6, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t really see what they have to gain – in the short or long term – by holding onto Peavy. He’s a high-effort pitcher with a funky motion and a history of (albeit minor) injuries. I don’t see him as a guy who would age well (of course, I can’t pull the PECOTA or CHONE out of my butt right now) and probably wouldn’t be a featured part of the next good Padres team. San Diego has a bad farm system and seems to be a long way from returning to prominence. I wouldn’t rule out a random wild-card or something, but continued success does not seem to be in that team’s future. They might as well trade Peavy for prospects and build around Adrian Gonzalez.
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Plus, from the Padres view, they are more likely to get a mid season bidding war for a healthy Peavy. Teams always need front of the rotation pitching for a late season/post season push.
For every one blue sky mining about A.G. think of what the Bums might end up offering for a front of the rotation arm so they can keep for a couple seasons.
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It all depends on where the giants are at the time, and who is available and for what. We’ll know a lot more in a month, but right now it is far too early to even speculate productively.
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This is reasonable. Now try again, but with more rainbows and unicorns.
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by natteringnabob on May 6, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm more in favor of trading away molina and winn away for prospects
than I am trading prospects away for a hitter. Unless you want Adam Dunn or Matt Holliday, I don’t really see anybody available that is going to be worth trading for.
I think
if you can get something in return, and unload his contract, it would be better to move Rowand, put Wynn in CF, and let Nate play CF.
However, isn’t the cupboard now a little bare of OF prospects in Fresno and CT? Bowker, Horwitz… EME? Mooney? Maybe the Ginas shouldn’t have let Rajai Davis and Todd Linden get away.
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by natteringnabob on May 6, 2009 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions
we've been over this
A) No one’s going to take the contract.
B) We wouldn’t get anything back unless we ate a lot of the contract, which defeats the purpose.
C) Who plays CF next year?
In short, it’d be better to trade Winn for something that might be useful.
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THIS
Miguel Cabrera I could go for, but nobody else is worth the prospects. Lets have some patience, McC—the rotation will still be nasty next season.
by thethrillisgone on May 6, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Rowand and Sabean
I agree that the better move would be Rowand rather than Winn, but I just don’t see Sabean admitting his mistake by doing so. Now, if Neukom nukes Sabean this year, then we’ll see how the new GM handles the roster for next year, but for now I think we’re stuck with Aaron in CF.
Once again, how does an employee make two horrendous mistakes like Zito and Rowand, severely limiting his company’s flexibility while lowering the baseball bottom line, and still keep his job? People get fired everyday for much, much less than this. It really is astounding, and the current economic woes just make it more striking.
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You're right
The person who engineered the Zito deal is no longer Managing General Partner.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 6, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
As jcb9 pointed out in a different thread, the Rownad signing makes the most sense if you consider that he is the PR opposite of Barry Bonds… this signing also smells of MagowaBaer to me. I have no proof, just sayin’ it fits the same pattern of non-baseball related personnel decisions.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 6, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not about admitting mistakes
there’s pretty much no way the Giants could trade Rowand/Zito and come out on top.
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I’m not saying we trade Zito or Rowand…well, not necessarily, and certainly not now when they have so little value. But I am saying we should have fired Sabean. That, of course, assumes both of those were Sabean’s ideas.
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Zito was Peter Magowan’s idea. He thought Zito would be the “face of the franchise” after the better Barry left.
EVIDENCE PLEASE
Also, Sabean signed off on it, and someone negiotiated the contract. If Sabean objected to the move, never let anyone know – even after Magowan was sent packing.
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And If Sabean objected why should he say anything publicly? Considering during his entire tenure the front office has not done it’s laundry in public nor done much negotiating in the press I would be downright shocked his he made a public statement one or the other on this topic.
For the record I am not firmly in either camp on this topic.
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At some point prior to true contention, we are going to have to trade for a bat (I do not see any serious options in the 2009 FA list). If we have a solid deadline offer I think the giants should pull the trigger.
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Will Holiday continue to scuffle? That is big question not just for A’s fans.
Beltre – Defensive upgrade for a guy that hits in the hart of the order? Yes, please! Could also allow Panda (should he prove out) to play first.
Adam LaRoche. Yes he starts the seasons hitting like Zito usually does pitching but it would still be an upgrade IIF we have cycled through the in house group and found nothing and have not brought in Beltre it still improves the franchise..
Looking for in the Bargain Basement Bin:
Nick Johnson
Russell Branyan
I am working off this list.
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Will Holiday continue to scuffle? That is big question not just for A’s fans.
And if he does, would his price drop to the point where we could be in the conversation?
I doubt he’d want to come here, to another unfriendly environment for hitters, though.
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Just what teams would be bidding of a "healthy" Holiday next off season? It could be only handful of franchises are handing out serious money contracts. Look at how the last few months of this last winter played out. Only time will tell if we have seen a serious attitude change in enough franchises.
Also if he "drops" I really don’t want much to do with him. The nice thing about Mr. Lewis is we don’t need to look outside the franchise for a " he might put it back together" guy to play LF. We only need obvious upgrades.
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I don’t know, I think if he does continue his bad year in Oakland, he’ll be that much more motivated next year to prove he’s still one of the top offensive talents in the game, and whoever gets him could get somewhat of a bargain. Coors or not, he’s been one of the best hitting outfielders for a few years now, and he’s what, 27?
I don’t think I’d pass that up just because we’ve got Lewis, who may never put it all together himself.
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
He did poorly last September ( possibly the finaly couple weeks of August but I would need to look at the game logs to be sure) has well. If he string together 3-4 bad months (currently at 2) that is a red flag for me.
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I guess I’m just a little more high on him than you. I’ve seen a lot of guys have a down year here or there, only to return to much better career norms the following year. To think that a 27 year old has just suddenly completely lost it, when you’re basing that off 2 months of performance seems a bit like jumping the gun to me.
Even in his down year he’d be a better middle of the order option than Lewis, I think. Which is what we really need.
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Hell
just look at Durham’s 2007
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Durham ’07 – ’08 is a freak long shot winning the race. I can only think of 2 second baseman (Sanberg & Biggio) to post such catastrophic drops and return with something reasonable. It was a great story ut you can’t bank on that.
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well no
but I think when it all shakes out Holliday’s drop won’t been nearly that bad.
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I will agree to that. I was just saying dragging 07-08 Durham into this was apples to hand grandees.
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was just an example
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I don’t yet think he has lost it.
But say he has several bad months in a row something is wrong. Then is becomes a question of do you want that risk for multiple seasons in the same outfield with Rowand. Personally I don’t
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And I say, if the price was right, I would. I wouldn’t give him a monster deal, but if he’s willing to accept a lower, “make-good” type contract, I’d listen.
Agree to disagree, I guess.
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Then you trade Lewis?
Leave Scott in CF?
And Do you think Holiday could hadle RF at Mays?
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I am not being sarcastic here. I am just trying to follow out the logic.
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4 OF = good imo
though it really depends on what you can get.
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of course
that assumes you have a manager who’s willing to get that 4th OF 3-4 starts/week.
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Yeah, I’d probably trade Fred in this scenario. OF of Holliday, Rolen, and Nate would be pretty solid, IMO.
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Who is that 3rd name?
In all seriousness though 3 points have to meet for this to start making sense.
1. By the playing time Nate is getting it is obvious management has no use for him save as a place holder. I don’t want it to be so but facts are forcing me to this conclusion. The facts would have to drastically change.
2. I guess we are then presuming Scott gets/keeps his act together with a glove?
3. What do we get back for Lewis? I am not against trading him but I want something more useful them a wad of used bubble gum.
The odds of all 3 happening are really, really, really small in my opinion.
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Bonds called him Scott when he first arrived. How can BLB be wrong about anyhting baseball?
;)
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Clearly...
Scott Rolen, Aaron Rowand = same person
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know if I’d want Scott Rolen in our outfield.
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I say stay away from Holliday. His splits in CO were great at home, average on the road. I think what we are seeing in Oakland is a bit extreme but isn’t as far from his true ability than what the general thought was before he got there.
He is NOT the solution. He is better than Lewis, but his cost and output won’t make him worthwhile…especially if Manny wasn’t.
Beltre is worth looking at.
I think our teams big problm is that we have eight players in a giant (lol) clusterfuck of mediocrity. There isn’t a lot out there that is definitely available this summer or next fall that would be sizable upgrades as compared to what we have in the minors, or on the team right now.
by positiveuphemism on May 6, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Troy Glaus seems much older than 33.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
He faked his visa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by TexasRanger on May 6, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is probably a good thing he was not born in latin ammerica or people would pitching a fit over his birth certificate.
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The nice thing about the spectacular ineptitude of our first and second basemen is that we could add a cheap mediocrity like Lyle Overbay or Placido Polanco and still get a huge boost.
The sad thing about that
is that you could have written the same thing last year.
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by natteringnabob on May 6, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
And the year before… and the year before that year… and…
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Placido Polanco is not mediocre… he’s well above average, especially for a second baseman.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
What about...
Chris Davis? He’s struggling pretty badly with Texas right now, but last year he was phenomenal and looked ready to break out. This slump may drop his stock enough where the pitching-starved Rangers will talk about it.
I don’t know what it would take to get him, but I’d love to see a buy-low move like this that could turn around into a huge positive for us, if/when he turns it back around.
Good idea/bad idea?
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions
The Rangers have enough pitching prospects that calling them “pitching-starved” is pretty much inaccurate at this point.
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Alright, that’s fair enough, but prospects are just that, until they prove themselves in the majors. With the rate that prospects fail, I’d say you can never have too many pitching prospects in your system.
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
This is true, but I doubt they’d be interested – with the AL West up for grabs – to trade one of their top hitters (even if he is having a poor season and WOW that strikeout rate is ugly) for someone who won’t be major league ready immediately. And they certainly wouldn’t go for a Sanchez for Davis swap, I don’t think.
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Well, a month ago I agreed with you, but from what I’ve been reading they’re actually considering dropping him out of the starting lineup, and MAYBE even to AAA, to work on his swing. With the reemergence of some of their other lineup options (Blalock, in particular) he just might get squeezed out if his struggles continue.
Not exactly what you want to hear about a guy you may want to trade for, but I think I’d still look into it if they indeed are looking to drop him from the lineup anyway.
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus, they still have Smoak in the minors and by reports (from BA) he is closer to the bigs than people think.
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I am very leery of this.
1. Texas as a tendency to inflate hitters numbers. I think Davis will be the real deal but still it makes me uneasy.
2. With their prospects it would be MLB ready now and controllable to boot that interests them and only this.
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As for 2, I think you’re right, which would only be Sanchez, and they probably wouldn’t do that, as jponry said. I’d still hope that a conversation would at least take place, to see what could be done. If it’s nothing, then so be it, but I’d hope they’d at least “kick the tires”… oh god, did I just say that?
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken
for the first time since I can’t remember, the only fading, over the hill player on the field who gets regular starts this year has been Rentaria (and I’m still partial to the belief that he may have another good season at the plate left in him). The next closest thing is the Aurillia/Ishi quasi-platoon, but that’s it.
Roberts was cut, the front office resisted the temptation to collect aging vets to fill starting positions, and Bochy isn’t playing Uribe and Aurilla nearly as much as I thought he might.
The rebuilding year is finally here. FINALLY. The kids are playing, and for better or worse, getting some major league ABs. I know it feels like this process is taking years (because it has), but THE KIDS ARE FINALLY PLAYING!!! I would like to see more Nate, more Torres, Frandsen, Jesus, etc. before we start trading away our sub-Fresno kids.
Even if we happened upon a great deal for a great player who we could lock up for awhile, the real benefit could be what? Making the playoffs? Maybe. Second round of the playoffs? Doubt it. The real cost? Totally unknown. LET US REBUILD!!!
By the way,
just to put it in perspective, Monday’s game in Chicago was the first time Pablo Sandoval played at Wrigley.
by KrazyKrabMeat on May 6, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
If you say Renteria is a “fading, over the hill player” then you have to say Winn is too, and Rowand is borderline.
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Randy Winn is not, he is coming off perhaps his best season ever, and Rowand is definitely fading, hopefully he can prove me wrong, but his defense and offense are slipping
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Well, a lot of Rowand’s struggles this season are BABIP related, so I’m hopeful he’ll recover. Winn is 35, older than Rent, and he’s not exactly off to a hot start. Honestly I don’t think any of them are “fading, over the hill players,” I was just really taking issue with classifying Rent that way and ignoring our other 30+ starters.
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understood
but the point I’m trying to make is that Rent is the only Bonds Era type FA move the Giants felt they were obliged to make this offseason (and if you read the post a little closer, you should recognize that I do have some faith in Rent’s capabilities).
Irrespective of how Rowand and/or Winn are doing at the moment (or how they will continue to do), the nut of it is that those positions were not, and I doubt are currently, perceived as “holes to fill”. That, of course, may change, but what I want to point out is that the kids are playing LF, 3B, 2B, and 1B consistently, as opposed to 30+ year old veteran FAs that we picked up at the used player lot.
Ergo, the rebuilding year is finally upon us, and IMHO, let’s commit to it.
by KrazyKrabMeat on May 6, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Hell
I don’t even think Rent was a “Bonds era FA move” 2 years? When we have literally NO SS options above High A? I’ll take that. I really didn’t get the furor over the signing that was going on early in the year.
Really I do agree with you, though I do have a little trouble calling Torres a “kid”. I would only want to trade away prospects for a young, good player who’d be under team control for 3+ years, unless it’d be a Ford for Durham kind of deal.
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Torres a “kid”… lol… you’re right about that, but he does look fresh out there and I hope to see more of him.
As for SS, I always thought of Burriss as a SS who could only break in this year at 2B. When this pup’s tail grows, I would love to see what a Burriss/Fransen middle infield could do, but that said, I think it was a wise move to hedge our bets with Rent, though the 2 years might be too many.
The "Bonds era FA" label fits, in my opinion, because his peak is behind him and his only upside is the hope that he doesn’t drop off too soon (as many predict he will). And if he does, past practice has shown that his salary and service time could block a Frandsen arrival (and by that I mean the opportunity to develop at the mlb level).
by KrazyKrabMeat on May 6, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
As for SS, I always thought of Burriss as a SS who could only break in this year at 2B.
Me too, but I don’t think that’s how the front office sees him, at least not anymore. I think it might be 2B or bust for him at this point.
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget...
Last year through May 6th, the Diamondbacks were 22-11 and safely positioned atop the NL West. They finished the season 82-80 in second place. One amazing first month does not a good team make.
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Veteran FA market
I wonder if the high number of FA vet’s that didn’t get signed this off-season might be trolling around looking for a team in a month or so. Could Durham find a team? Will those aging vets make trades involving Aging Vets for Playoff Runs less likely?
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And also...
If this trend continues, will we see more aging vets taking cheaper and cheaper contracts in the next couple years? Building a team of aging vets could suddenly become the way to go!
Wouldn’t Sabean be in heaven then!
by The Double Deuce on May 6, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Two players
JJ Hardy comes to mind. He has been playing poorly, but his career batting average for April is something like .229, so it isnt that big of a deal he isnt hitting because he always heats up later. Plus I dont think he would command much, seeing as they have his replacement ready for the majors, they will be out of contention, and since he is playing poorly, he may not gather as much in return.
Matt Holliday: No power right now in Oakland, but power really isnt what the Giants want, they just want someone who can hit the ball. I have faith Holliday will turn into a decent hitter by the end of the year. No way a guy who was hoping to get 20+ Million a year slumps the whole season. Oakland didnt give up much to get him, and wont ask for a lot in return if they are out of contention, which they will be as both Seattle and LA move ahead of them.
I think this is all going to take care of itself
yell at me for the negativity if you want (or giantsrainman would say “hate”) but so far the Giants have played only 5 games against non NL West teams and 20 games in the division. They are also 10-4 at home and only 3-8 on the road. I think as we play more road games and more games against non Padres/Rockies/Diamondbacks opponents, the record is going to return to something more normal.
I would love for that to happen too, but I don’t think we’re there yet.
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 6, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I share the nervousness that we have this great rotation, and that's a rare & beautiful thing
I go back and forth on this. If the last few weeks of our rotation’s work is no fluke, then we are poised with something very special… and no offense to get us there. We are in a weakish division and it wouldn’t necessarily take a lot in the 2nd half to put us over the top. Then once we’re in the tournament, our rotation gives us an advantage.
I definitely don’t want to mortgage the future for a short-term possibility of a title, but at the same time, if we can afford to make some moves that would get let us take advantage of our special chance, I am open to it. I didn’t think I would be open to it this year, but I am intoxicated by the last few weeks of our pitching. I’m willing to part with something, but not much. And no, I have no ideas on May 6 whom that might include.
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The Pitching
I don’t think our pitching is all that, with or without the bag of chips. Lincecum is, of course, The Franchise, and Cain is well-above-average. Zito seems to have rebounded to averagishness, and for that we are all depressingly thankful. Johnson and Sanchez, however, are wildly fluxuating commodities. And, to me, that sounds like a lot of other team’s starting staffs: one headliner, one solidly good starter, one average starter, and a couple of guys who could turn in almost any kind of performance on any given day. With that view, I don’t think we are the position just yet to go out and grab that one big slugger (that we all realize we do eventually need).
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Right, I agree for now, but late July could look different (either way)
I’m sure we agree that right now is too soon to make any definitive decisions. But by late July, things could look a lot different. If Lincecum, Cain, Zito (I can’t believe I’m including him), and Sanchez look solid — and let’s say that RJ has won #300 and either has become solid or expendable — then we could be in striking distance of postseason, and thus in striking distance of a title. Yes, we will be a much better team in 2011, but you just never know what’s going to happen, and if we have a reasonable chance now, we should take it if it doesn’t mortgage our future.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 7, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably not going to happen
And I won’t think about it until the deadline comes.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Good question
I think this year would be a smarter year to buy at the deadline, but only if we can get someone really worth it, like Miguel Cabrera if the Tigers realize they can’t afford a 200 mil payroll, Prince Fielder if the Brewers realize that Yovanni Gallardo alone will not get them to the playoffs, or Adrian Gonzalez because we simply just can’t stop thinking about him. Basically just trades that can make us better both immediately and for the future, and not shitty half-season rentals. On the other hand, though, if Bengie or Winn (if he can stop sucking) get any good offers, I think we should take those up.
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