minor lines, 5/4/09
by steve S on May 4, 2009 10:51 PM PDT
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PrintToday's highlights: (a) Madison Bumgarner takes the hard luck loss; (b) Henry Sosa has his best start of the year; (c) Ehire Adrianza has a double and two walks in four plate appearances.
AAA: Fresno defeated Las Vegas 10-2
(after adding six insurance runs in the 8th inning)
Fresno: 2B Kevin Frandsen: 2 for 4, BB, SB
Fresno: DH Adam Witter: 1 for 5, HR, 3 SO
Fresno: 1B Jesus Guzman: 2 for 4, 2B, BB
Fresno: RHP Ryan Sadowski: 5.2 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 3 K
Frandsen and Guzman, who is two years younger than Frandsen, both reached base three times, after entering the night with OBPs of .358 and .323, respectively. Witter homered for the second straight day. With the hat trick, he also had his first multi-strikeout line among 8 PCL games.
Sadowski was one out short of a quality start. He threw 94 pitches (55 strikes) in less than six innings. He improved his W-L record to 2-1 and his ERA to 3.62.
AA: Connecticut lost to Reading 4-2
(allowing four runs over the final three innings)
Connecticut: LF Bobby Felmy: 2 for 4, 2B
Connecticut: RHP Henry Sosa: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K--1 WP
Connecticut: RHP Matt Yourkin: 0.1 IP, 3 H, 1 R--1 E
Felmy had his fourth straight multi-hit game, giving him 10 H in 16 AB in the first four days of May.
Making his fifth start, Sosa had his longest start of the year and his first start without an earned run. He improved his ERA to 2.35. His peripheral stats are now 19 H, 6 BB, and 17 K in 23.0 IP. Yourkin has pitched well this year, but tonight he retired just one of the five batters he faced.
A+: San Jose lost to Modesto 2-0
San Jose: SS Brandon Crawford: 2 for 4
San Jose: 2B Nick Noonan: 2 for 4, GiDP
San Jose: C Buster Posey: 0 for 4, PB, E
San Jose: LHP Madison Bumgarner: 5.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K--1 HB
San Jose: RHP Garrett Broshuis: 3.0 IP, 1 H, 1 K
San Jose: RHP Edwin Quirarte: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 K
With two hits each, San Jose's two middle infielders had half of the Giants eight hits, raising their respective AVGs to .372 and .281. Although he had an oh-fer tonight, there have not been many questions about Posey's offense this season. Perhaps his defense is more of a concern as tonight he allowed his 4th passed ball and commited his 2nd error.
Bumgarner faced only four batters over the minimum in five innings, but without any run support he suffered his first loss of the season. His ERA remains below 1.50, but perhaps that stat is a bit deceiving since he has allowed more unearned runs than earned runs this year . Broshuis and Quirarte faced just one batter over the minimum in four innings of scoreless relief.
A-: Augusta lost to Lexington 4-3
Augusta: 2B Juan Perez: 2 for 4, 2B, SO, 3 E
Augusta: SS Ehire Adrianza: 1 for 2, 2B, 2 BB, SO
Augusta: RHP Kyle Nicholson: 7.0 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K--1 PO
Adrianza reached base three times and had just his 3rd XBH of the year. He improved his season line to .286/.384/.365 through 63 AB. The only GreenJacket with a multi-hit line tonight, Perez had his fifth multi-hit game in his last nine games. He is hitting .343 over his last nine games, but his AVG for the season remains below .250. Defensively tonight, he committed his 3rd, 4th, and 5th errors.
Making his fifth start, Nicholson had his second straight start with 2 ER in 7+ IP, which have lowered his ERA under 6.00 after three relatively poor starts to begin the season. His W-L record is now 0-4. Tonight he had an 11/4 GO/FO ratio.
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I noticed Fresno’s website lists Jesus at 165 lbs. I only caught a couple games of ST but is he really as light as Velez?
in his bra.
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seriously, when does the guy get a shot? Seems to be killin the ball lately
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Jesus wins PCL Player of the Week
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope he's platooning with Ishikawa soon
It just makes sense
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
It makes absolute sense. If Ishikawa continues to struggle, Jesus could become the starter, and Ishikawa could get a start or two a week and be a defensive replacement. However, I don’t see it happening for at least a few months.
If he is platooning with Ishikawa, who looses his spot? Aurilia. I can’t see Sabean cutting him this early in the season, and I don’t know what Bochy would do without his favorite veteran. This was the problem with bringing back Aurilia. The team won’t be making a move that will likely make us better now, and help out in the future because of respect for the veteran
Can Eugenio go away? That would be nice.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 5, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
No way
Eugenio is Starvin’ Marvin. Guzman is no Juan Uribe, but he’s much more filled out than Eugenio.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Kid Adrianza
The 19yr old kid is holding his own in the Sally League. A productive Henry Sosa adds depth to the organizational pitching.
Just an observation: the organization lacks RHH outfield prospects – only Thomas Neal comes to mind.
Adrianza really is doing well in Augusta thus far — he has been quite a bit more valuable than Noonan or Villalona were last year, though you have to wonder whether his OBP is inflated by hitting in front of the pitcher.
No DH in the Sally?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 5, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
They use the DH
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Umm, yeah. Duh. I was looking at some box scores and for some reason they list the pitcher at the end of the batting order even though he never bats.
So now I feel better about Adrianza!
Can I just say, first!
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Wil
Good point on the RHH outfielder problem. It seems to me, with the Big Phone Park, we’d be leaning toward righty hitters and righty pitchers.
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Wow, Wil, are you suggesting EME’s not a prospect?
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about that
was Evans asked about “EME” using just the initials or about the Eddy Martinez Esteve?
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 5, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Another cause for concern
Not only could defense be an issue but I don’t think Juan Carlos Perez has taken a walk all year.. good to see him start hitting though.
Remember, the kid was raw to begin with...
…and he’s also converting from the outfield, so the defense isn’t a big worry yet, at least to me.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions
im not as worried about the defense as much either
but just pointing out its pretty hard to go this far into the season without a walk.
He walked a bit last year in JUCO, so I think he’ll come around. He was ice cold to start the year, until I gave him a stern talking-to, and now that he’s starting to get right I imagine the walks will follow. As for the defense, see what Brute said above.
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Anyone know who that was at the little Giants tonight….some guy sitting behind me was talking about him but I didn’t catch his name or recognize him. He was sitting in section B for like half the game and then moved to the front row behind home plate for a few innings. Any else catch him?
I saw someone sitting in the scout’s row wearing a huge sports championship-type ring. I couldn’t tell who he was or what the ring was for. I don’t think it was one of the recent SJ Giants championship alumni, because this guy looked older.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea...
I can’t say I saw someone I recognized, so I don’t think it was a recent former SJ Giant.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
What??? Ooh ooh I was sitting in section B!!!! :O Aww I didn’t see anyone… :( But I wasn’t really looking… I was too busy taking pictures and being super excited cause it was my first minor league game ever :D
by sfgiantsgirl on May 5, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
This might be a silly question but, MadBum pitched tonight, so he should be pitching Saturday night @ modesto right? The minor leagues do the standard every fifth day start don’t they? I just want to make sure to go when MadBum is pitching
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Are they still? I though perhaps Tanner’s relief appearance the other signaled a move to a 5 man.
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Nope
Tanner will start tomorrow.
On that note….here’s a somewhat rhetorical question: Was skipping Tanner a move mandated by SF Giants ownership? Obviously, they are taking a greater interest in the going ons in San Jose, not just from a prospect development standpoint but team business. Not only does a rumored promotion not happen, but a pitcher gets skipped so that the top two prospects in the system both get home starts. Said skipped pitcher does not have to wait for his regular spot to pick back up.
Considering that, for the first time on a non-fireworks game, I saw the SJ Giants fill up their overflow lot, i have to wonder. It did a lot for fans wanting to see Bumgarner, and the team on attendance.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, it worked, because I went to my first minor league game ever just to see Bumgarner!
by sfgiantsgirl on May 5, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
It is a six-man rotation
But keep an eye on pitching matchups as they are announced…I’m not sure we’ll see another Bumgarner start with San Jose.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be unfortunate – my brother really wants to see him in SJ, and I told him to hurry, because there’s not much time left there for the MadBum.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 5, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been told Bumgarner is scheduled for Sunday
1pm in Modesto. BE THERE. I will be.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Frandsen and Jeezus keep hitting.
Anyone else stoked about next year? We’ll see Posey, MadBum and Alderson, plus we should know better about Burriss and Frandsen. Velez will be cut, Schierholtz will be starting, and Zito will be competing for his third Cy Young.
Stoked. But realistic. Totally realistic.
I’m watching the Royals game on mlb.tv. Anyone else seen Greinke pitch yet? He doesn’t LOOK like he’s hitting 97 and blowing hitters away, I’m trying to see what the fuss is all about.
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I’ve watched a lot of Greinke’s starts over the last couple of years (picked him up in my keeper league, yay) and he has become my favorite pitcher in the game — well, second favorite, after Timmy. Everything is completely effortless, but he hits his spots and mixes his pitches with Madduxesque precision. His mechanics never change; he’s still throwing an easy 95 in the ninth. And he seems completely unflappable, which is pretty amazing for a pitcher famous for emotional problems.
The scouts raved
…about Greinke as he was coming through the minors. Unbelievable poise, outstanding work ethic – he really seemed to be a student of the game, as well as having the God-given talent. I’ve always kept an eye on him in fantasy leagues, and snapped him up early last year when he began the turnaround. Sadly, I missed out on him this year. I’m definitely pulling for him.
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yikes, kind of a rough error on posey – it was on a throw down to second that looked to be right on the money, if not, completely catchable.
bitte, baby.
I'm shocked that Posey got the error
The ball did not bounce before reaching second, and it was about 18-24 inches off the bag to the first base side…that’s what I’d expect they’d want a throw to go to. Noonan just didn’t make the catch, IMO.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
I’m really hoping he comes back strong this year. I took a hard line on him (heh hard) this offseason because of his injury stuff and ineffectiveness, but I still like him. If he can put together some strong starts I’ll be very pleased with him.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
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This appreared in my RSS feed this morning, which is awesome. Are these going to be a front page feature now or was this a one off?
It’s always going to be up to Steve, but I’d like them to be a regular part of the front page.
by Grant Brisbee on May 5, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
absolutely a great idea.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 5, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Finally got to see Edwin Quirarte. They brought him into a non-save situation, as he hadn’t had work in a while. The velocity is impressive, sitting at 93-94, with some good offspeed stuff. Listening to the fastball pop in the glove was pretty nice. He also made a great heads up play on a bunt/suicide squeeze in the ninth, pouncing on the botched popup bunt while the runner was charging from third. Easy double play and the inning was over. Keith Law was right. Quirarte is worth watching. Obey the KLaw.
Neal didn’t start last night and was removed from the game Sunday late for a defensive replacement. But he was able to throw baseballs at the old junker truck in Smash for Cash, even busting a headlight. So he must be okay. I’m waiting on word about his status. Also note, Neal won Cal League Player of the Week.
Bumgarner was using his slider to get strikes effectively, which was good to see. A few called strike three, both on the slider and the heat. He was around 94 on the fastball and his offspeed stuff was a full 10-12 MPH slower. I did not know until tonight that his offspeed stuff=slider. I wasn’t sure if he had just a straight change or what. Bumgarner went to three ball counts on three batters. He was on the higher side of efficiency, but it wasn’t laborious or anything. He really didn’t pitch that badly, though after dominating through most of 2008 and getting off to a hot start this year, these last two starts have been hard on him no doubt.
I had an inkling it would be a bad defensive night for Villalona when I saw him miss a liner down the first base line that he could have fielded. He made a bonehead cutoff play on a sac fly early in the game. Kieschnick’s throw from right could have made a play at the plate, but Angel cut off the throw. No errors, no overtly horrible defense, but those are small mistakes you don’t want to see from a young player being aggressively promoted through his career.
Crawford made a brilliant play when a ball up the middle hit the mound and took a high hop. Looks like he read it perfectly because he was right on it, and fed the ball to Noonan who turned a beautiful double play. That’s what I want to see from our future DP combo.
Oh and Craig Clark is a nice fella. We spoke briefly; I filled him in on the Modesto starting pitcher, and he gave me a few readings on his speed gun. When Brute Sentiment showed up and we started talking shop, Clark overheard us discussing prospects and asked about some of them and how they were doing. Also met a fellow who writes for SFHardball and Baseball Evolution and shot the shit with him too.
As I said above, I’ll be in Modesto this Sunday, chasing down an elusive starting pitcher. On Mother’s Day, no less. Nothing says I love you mom like a day with Nuts.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 7:28 AM PDT reply actions
Dammit, Crawford, stop making me think you’re a legit prospect. You are only going to disappoint me in the end!!!
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but COLLEGE CLOSER!!!!1
KLaw likes him as a late-innings guy too. Stopped short of calling him a bonafide closer candidate, but I want to think he is.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know — the low K rates combined with extreme Flyball tendencies don’t exactly scream closer to me. Mid-innings perhaps.
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33 K in 29.2 IP last year is low?
Not eye popping, but still pretty damn good. The flyball thing, I’ll need to keep an eye on.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh, yeah, duh. I guess I’m not really sure what i was looking at. I was thinking he had closer to a 7.something k/9 last year, but clearly not. Although looking at minor league splits his K rate did go up steadily month to month last year, so I guess I formed an early opinion and forgot to check the stats.
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Evan also makes a good point of cooling it a bit on projections for him since he has a limited amount of innings. I fall in love with my pie in the sky prospect projections too easily, so I’m guilty of jumping the gun too.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Hard to say if he has enough of an arsenal
Curve and change for offspeed, he also threw one sinker (Huh?). Looks like the sinker may be in development (and might address said flyball tendencies).
I don’t see him moving out of relief, though, if only because I haven’t heard any such chatter.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The one day I saw Quirarte (was with David, GFIS), I was not too impressed. Perhaps he had an off day or perhaps I’m just a bad prospect watcher. I thought he was only hitting 91-92 as well by the stadium gun.
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Kevin Frandsen should be with the big team.
If you were going by the SJ Stadium gun...
…accuracy is not a key feature.
The gun readings that Baron and I saw were straight from a scout’s gun.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 5, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
SJ Offense emulating the big boys for one night.
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by Giant among Angels on May 5, 2009 7:57 AM PDT reply actions
Especially in the stranding runners at third business.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL...
After the game, an SJ front officer was trying to get Baron an interview with Bumgarner, but was afraid he might not be in the right mood after taking the loss. I joked that he might have to get used to the no-run support in this franchise, and she laughed, but we both agreed he had a good night.
No interview…but I’m hearing on Sunday we might have something.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
JESUS WALKS!
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once again...
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I know he can play SS, but would it be too harmful to his development to put him at 2b for awhile if there’s a greater need? He seems like he’s more advanced than Noonan.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
Keep him at SS as long as possible, especially since he seems to be able to play it! He’s not going to make it up until late 2010 at the earliest so absolutely no need to move him to second (or third) to rush him.
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They moved Nooan to 2B because of concerns with arm strength IIRC.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
We should try Renteria at 2nd
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Schierholtz!
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 5, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone’s overreacting to Burriss’s poor start.
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I don’t know if it’s overreacting to the start so much as the start reinforcing perfectly legitimate expected outcomes. He has had very little minor league success (and the success he had was driven almost entirely by bunts and infield singles), and almost no upper minor league experience of any kind. There was little to no reason to think he could be an adequate major league hitter before the season started, so it’s easy to jump to the conclusion that 4 weeks of stats proves it. They don’t, but that doesn’t mean the supposition’s wrong to begin with.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
No, but the desire to move every prospect we have to second base to get them to the minors as quickly as possible has to be an overreaction to his crappiness so far.
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that's not what I'm saying...
I’m saying: continue to play him at SS. If he is still kicking ass late in the season next year, we still have no decent option at 2b, and we are in contention, give him a late season shot at 2b and see how he does.
Might be a terrible idea. He probably won’t be ready and playing at 2b after only SS is much easier said than done. Just a thought… I think our offense is bad enough that we shouldn’t discount weird ideas.
And again, if it will ruin his development I’m in no way in favor of doing so.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
It’s still not a great idea. I mean, maybe if it’s for a month or so, but his longterm position should be shortstop until he shows he can’t play it (and at the moment, it certainly seems like he can.)
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I agree with that
In fact, I’d say the appropriate response to Burriss start (re: other prospects) is don’t rush prospects at warp speed. Keep them at the premium position until they prove they can’t handle it and let them develop at a natural rate. (It’s worth noting that so far Brian Bocock is showing that he isn’t remotely up to the challenge of hitting AA pitching yet — so why in the world was he in the major leagues a year ago?)
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+1
I’ve got my concerns about Burriss but I’m not willing to shuffle prospects around based on 4 bad weeks.
I don't have concerns about Burriss...
…just concerns about the decisions about where to play him.
Give Burriss some normal development, and he’ll be fine. Double for the guys still in the minors like B-Craw.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Burriss just sucks.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 5, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
dunno… just seems to be a huge hole at this point. Burriss might figure it out, but even if he does, he’ll still be more slap happy than an English gentleman before a duel. Honestly, I am simply demanding satisfaction.
I’m not say we should switch him permanently there. I was just wondering if it would be too harmful to him to play him there for a short period in a year or so if we can’t figure out any other way to get production out of the lineup. The pitching is good enough that upgrading at a few positions might make us a playoff team.
Once Renteria is gone, play him at SS. I’d prefer to keep Crawford there in the long term.
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It’s a long time between now and in a year (or until next Aug/Sep.) Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. It’s probably best not to think of Crawford as even being an option for the big league club until 2011 at the earliest (doing otherwise leads to Burriss/Bocock situations.)
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You know, I heard we had this guy, Fran-something? in AAA, and I think he’s been doing pretty well. Maybe we should give him a shot first.
Then again, maybe he’s just a myth, like that “Schierholtz” fellow.
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Sure, give Frandsen a shot first. I’m not saying that shouldn’t happen. Crawford looks like he might be in another class of player though. I agree with everyone who’s saying it would probably be better to move Renteria to 2b (or bench him and keep Frandsen/Burriss there), but I do think that Crawford could help us solidify our infield up the middle by late next year.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
Huge Hole - I Disagree
Considering we haven’t given a legitimate chance to one legitimate option yet (Kevin Frandsen), I don’t think we can call it a huge hole.
The team should start exhausting options before scratching open new ones….
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
2B is the new 3B
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Broshius has a new prospect diary up. http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-diary/2009/268055.html
What happened to Sergio Santos? I don’t think he has played yet this season.
When I asked about him in Fresno I was told he wasn’t even in the organization anywhere.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Also I really enjoy Broshuis’ writing. I don’t want to say “if his baseball career doesn’t work out” but he could use that talent.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
If only BA hadn’t sunk their claws into him already…
Broshuis will have a good career after baseball, whether it’s coaching or writing.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Modesto, if I can conjure up a second reason to drive to the Valley, I am there. Sure, I could check prices on a screwdriver at Lowes in South Sacramento. Ace Hardware around the corner wants 4.99, that seems high.
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When you said screwdriver I was thinking the drink
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Minor lines looks good front and center.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 5, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyone know what happened to David Quinkowski? He got hurt a while back, but he hasn’t pitched since 2007. Did he retire?
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He had shoulder issues last season, but this year, I got nothing right now.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
another Riverside CC boy, like Thomas Neal and Tommy Hanson.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 5, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Alderson/Bumgarner and 5-man Rotation
Has either pitch every fifth day or will AA Connecticut be their first experience in a 5-man rotation? Will be interesting to follow their progress.
Both San Jose and Augusta used primarily five-man rotations last season.
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by BruteSentiment on May 5, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Brute, that’s not quite how I recall it. I recall that Bumgarner pitched throughout the season on exactly five days rest, with Augusta using primarily a six-man rotation, but putting a starter into relief after an off-day. I agree that San Jose used a five-man rotation last year, at least as I recall.
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