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San Francisco Giants Draft Preview, Part II: Aaron Crow

You should see the preparation I've been doing for these posts. No foolin'. Whenever I come across an interesting draft tidbit, I bookmark it. More than that, though, I have twelve different folders of bookmarks, each folder corresponding to a different amateur player. Sure, most of them are to the usual sources -- Baseball America, Kevin Goldstein, et al -- but I've still been doing some research. Hey, this back isn't going to pat itself.

So now that it's time to sit down and write about Aaron Crow, I click on my handy dandy bookmarks toolbar...and come up with this as my only link for Crow-related information. It's not a Rick Roll, as those actually have a scintilla of redeeming value. So, yeah. I'll be right back. I'm going to do some research.

My first impression of Crow: I'm not a fan of the whole college-to-independent-leagues-back-to-the-draft thing. Oh, it's not a rational reaction. Just because I have reverse-sugarplum nightmares of Matt Harrington, doesn't mean that Crow's path is indicative of a prospect who's more likely to fail than any other. It just weirds me out. That, and there aren't any college stats from 2009 to drool over. Where's the fun in that? Crow has made two starts for the Fort Worth Cats, and scouty types have been impressed.

And why wouldn't they be? I've been watching the small, half-minute MLB.com draft report videos for a couple of years now, and Crow's video might be the most fascinating one I've ever seen. To recap the pitches from the video: two-seamer with goofy movement, two-seamer with goofy movement, and a hard, biting slider. Good gravy. His four-seamer can get above 95 MPH, and the 2008 draft report from MLB.com says he has a "good feel for the changeup."

If the superlatives kept going for a couple more paragraphs, there wouldn't be a chance for the Giants to sniff him with the sixth pick. His mechanics aren't crowd pleasing, as scouty types note his tendency to wrap his wrist behind his body when he throws. Kyle from Driveline Mechanics isn't a fan, and here's an extremely detailed breakdown from the late, great SaberScouting that conveys a healthy amount of fear without denying Crow's talent.

Gee, it'd be a shame if a pitcher's funky delivery let him fall to the Giants. That's never worked out well before.

Of course, there's no guarantee that it'd work again. Tim Lincecum is the genetic code wedged in a snowflake's thumbprint -- blessed and unique is he. But it's a funny business that equates "different" with "bad", especially when "conventional" so often leads to "broken." Not that I have any significant insight on Crow's delivery, mind you. It could be a total abomination. The stuff is there, though. The stuff is...just, wow...if you'll excuse me, I'm a gonna watch that draft video again.

One last thing to consider is that Crow's arm is pretty fresh right now. He hasn't gone through the normal rigors of being a Friday night starter for a championship contender, throwing 140 pitches if the manager thinks it's appropriate. The team that drafts Crow should see him in their system this year. That has absolutely no bearing on his potential, but it adds some entertainment points to the pick. And, apropos of nothing Crow-related, here's an update on Kyle Gibson (subscriber only), who was Crow's teammate on the Missouri Tigers last year:

Though his velocity sat between 83-87 mph, Missouri right-hander Kyle Gibson went eight shutout innings over Monmouth in the Oxford Regional, striking out eight and scattering six singles and a walk amongst his 102 pitches.

Bzzt. When I get my hands on millions of dollars, I will do a lot of silly things. Handing stacks of the money to a right-handed pitcher who's ending his season topping out at 87 mph: not one of them. Maybe the gun was cold, and maybe the report is inaccurate, but that's not a comforting report. Gibson just slipped to about 30th on my fake draft board, which is so useless, I might have well as written it in crayon and decorated it with spirographs. Still, it's there when I need it. Crow rockets close to the top of the list of attainable players.

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DRaysBay profile from last year
MLB.com's 2008 report
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YouTube video of Crow warming up
Crow in the Cape Cod league last year

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That was, what, four pitches thrown in that video...

…but wow, they look nasty. I can’t pretend to understand what’s wrong with his mechanics, it all looks fine to me. Now Tim Alderson’s contortionist foot tap, that looks wrong.

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 31, 2009 11:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that foot tap will never work in the bigs.

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by Lyle on Jun 1, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't say it wouldn't work.

Just think he’s going to break his leg every time he throws the ball… ; )

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jun 1, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that foot tap will never work in the bigs.

Sincerely,
Robb Nen The guy whose arm died at age 32, after having pitched 715 major league innings in his career.

Just saying.

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 1, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Causality!

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by rotorueter on Jun 1, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by stobgopper on Jun 1, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leave it to the French to lose the war against causality.

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by Zetsuboushita on Jun 1, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Combien triste.

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by Lyle on Jun 1, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s been a while since I took French so my comment could be way off, but this seems like an overly literal translation to me.

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by groug on Jun 1, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FrenchGrougThink

Partially on purpose. I thought I remembered a different phrase, but couldn’t get it verified on any website, so I thought the over-literalness was un peu amusant.

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by Lyle on Jun 3, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bringing up Nenn as proof that the foot tap thing isn’t a problem seems like a bad argument to me. That’s all.

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by Cookyman on Jun 2, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

I didn’t say it’s never a problem. Quite opposite: I’m saying it isn’t ALWAYS a problem.

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by Lyle on Jun 3, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But why bring up Nenn? It’s like when people bring up Koufax as an argument against pitch counts.

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by Cookyman on Jun 3, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

I brought up Nen to point out that a stutter step or toe tap doesn’t preclude major league success.

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by Lyle on Jun 4, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

of all the players who have a chance in hell of falling to the Giants (so, basically, eliminating Strasburg and Ackley) Crow is by far my favorite. I think he has tremendous upside and is a pretty good bet to at least get close to that upside . Unfortunately, I think it’s becoming less likely by the day that he is available at #6.

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 31, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t really think there’s any argument that Crow should be lower than the third option for the Giants (after Strasburg and Ackly… maybe). I guess if someone really fell in love with one of the high school arms, I could see that guy being in contention, but I think an objective analysis would pretty much lead to Crow being the pick.

I doubt he’s around when the Giants choose. But I think he’s the best guy that we have any shot whatsoever of acquiring, so I’ll be praying he falls every night before bed.

And ya… that video, wow. I’ve watched it plenty of times before, but it’s not like it gets any less impressive with repeated viewings. Hard to believe that a player who was the ninth pick last year could maybe be in the discussion at #2 this year, but I guess that just goes to show you how much the talent can vary from year to year.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on May 31, 2009 11:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Crow

Would be an excellent choice if he fell to #6 for the Giants. One thing to remember is that the Washington Nationals offered him MORE money than the Baltimore Orioles offered Brian Matusz the first pitcher off the board in the 2008 draft and Crow turned it down.

by wilriv21 on Jun 1, 2009 12:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch. I had forgoten that.

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by daveinexile on Jun 1, 2009 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s a couple of irrational reasons why it’s hard to get excited about Crow such as the fact that we passed on him last year & the fact that he’s been playing in the independent league & is a year older because of it.

That said i like Crow (and did last year) & he’d be a good selection, aside from the questions about his mechanics (which i can’t really comment on) He’s definately my pick of the college (or former college) pitchers although it seems like it’s likely that he’ll be gone before we get chance to pick.

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by GiantFan on Jun 1, 2009 1:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There’s a couple of irrational reasons why it’s hard to get excited about Crow such as the fact that we passed on him last year & the fact that he’s been playing in the independent league & is a year older because of it.

Doesn’t his age and experience increase the odds of him advancing quickly through the minors?

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by Goofus on Jun 1, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What experience though? Last year after the draft he pitched one inning in independent ball. Now he’s pitching again, but the difference between the innings and instruction he could have gotten last year, over the summer, in spring training, and in the first few months of minor league ball are huge.

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by WalrusMan on Jun 1, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly, but given that it’s been somewhat of an off-year with him not playing professional baseball i’m not sure whether he’ll be any more polished than he was last year after the draft.

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by GiantFan on Jun 1, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or less polished. He’s been out of baseball much longer than any player normally is.

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by WalrusMan on Jun 1, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Crow, but it sounds like he’s a lock to be gone before #6. Mainly for the reason that he’s got little to no bargaining power and will be an easier sign then some other pitchers or Tate.

Scheppers will likely be around at our pick though. He really intrigues me, but the injury question mark is kinda scary. But then again he may just be worth the risk, since every pitcher is an injury risk. Word is his mechanics are very sound too. Though I’m still banking on Matzek and will be very happy with us taking him.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 1, 2009 1:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Worrying about mechanics is like worrying about Sasquach. Lots of people believe in it, but nobody has really seen it. Sure people die in the wilderness every year, but was it the Sasquach? Who knows?

I’ll take two of Crow, please.

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by tedfordfan on Jun 1, 2009 6:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It was the Sasquatch. I know.

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by WalrusMan on Jun 1, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta agree with Hobbes: Crow should be gone by #6, and I’m expecting the Giants to grab Matzek there. But the advantages of getting Crow are pretty nice to ponder: we could plug him into the rotation sometime this year, moving Sanchez to the bullpen; the loss of RJ next would be softened; rushing Tim2 and MadBum up to SF would suddenly be less likely. And if Sanchez + somebody nets us a hitter in a trade, so much the better.

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by Lyle on Jun 1, 2009 6:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not entirely sure that Tim2 and MadBum being in the majors next year would constitute rushing them.

One of the lesser cited tenets of TINSTAAPP: Usually when you pitch like Bob Gibson in AA, you’re pretty much ready for the bigs.

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by rotorueter on Jun 1, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling that BRAZZ BALLS will pull Price-Weiters on Mad-Bum/T-2, if not for arb reasons but to ease them into the season, no reason wasting an arb year if we have no shot.

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by say hey nation on Jun 1, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point. Though if we do some variation of DURTY-4-UGGULAH-GIT-R-DUNN this season or in the offseason, the BARZZ might consider us to have a shot and go all out.

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by rotorueter on Jun 1, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts on the deal is that Tim will be up sometime this season or early next season and Mad Bum will come up so his arb years will be one year after Tim’s.

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by WalrusMan on Jun 1, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why could we plug him into the rotation sometime this year? I’m not sure how he’s so advanced.

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by WalrusMan on Jun 1, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He certainly seems to be the most polished of the non-Strasburg pitchers. That says nothing about ultimate ceiling, just near-term readiness.

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by Lyle on Jun 1, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pun potential is high. I’m in.

by Evan on Jun 1, 2009 8:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jun 1, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by jponry on Jun 1, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could all crow like Rufio if he pitches for us.

by Natto on Jun 1, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/insert barberi/amicis joke here

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by say hey nation on Jun 1, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he pitches well his naysayers will have to EAT CROW!

by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 1, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, but we can have our crow and eat it too.

by Ltisme on Jun 1, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest problem with his mechanics is just in the way his arm loads right before he slings the ball. If you compare him to, say, Lincecum, the way Lincecum brings the ball up into the ready-to-be-thrown position is more of an arcing motion, with his elbow never going above the plane of his shoulders. Crow, however, inverts his arm and brings his elbow way above that plane, so when he does get the ball loaded and when he slings it, it puts a lot of pressure and torque on his elbow.

That being said, he hasn’t had any elbow or shoulder problems that I’ve heard of, and I’m not any kind of expert on this. And I was going to point out Matt Cain’s mechanics along with Lincecum’s on this, but from the few videos I could find on youtube, Cain seems to at least bring his elbow above the plane, though he is not as jerky or funky as Crow is.

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by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 1, 2009 8:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe you’re refferring to the “inverted W,” or it coud just be an “M,” not sure why they call it that. Anyway…

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by PAWarrior on Jun 1, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trusting the Giants

If there’s one thing that I can trust the Giants with it’s selecting pitchers in the draft. Tim Lincecum, madison bumgarner, tim alderson, and matt cain. I think the Giants actually know what they’re doing and I’m actually gonna leave this whole draft process in their hands and be happy with whoever they pick.

That said, I don’t like Crow because of the mechanics. I actually prefer a high school pitcher specifically tyler matzek because of his smooth mechanics and solid stuff.

by HarbirD on Jun 1, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ill take 2 please

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 1, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Matzek plz

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

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by baetown415 on Jun 1, 2009 6:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure if it’s bad mechanics (actually, I have no idea) but i really love how he seems to work quick. His feet go into turbo speed from the windup. But as long as the rest of his body is in sync then I guess it doesn’t really matter much.

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by Giant among Angels on Jun 1, 2009 6:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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