Game Recap: Giants Win Fourth Straight
by Grant Brisbee on May 29, 2009 10:10 PM PDT
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PrintSomewhere, a guy just turned off the television and muttered to himself, "Boy, Matt Cain really figured out what it takes to be a winner."
It is our obligation to find this person and harm him.
If you missed it, Baseball Prospectus had a great article on Cain yesterday, noting that he's pitching much better with runners on base. That sounds like a fluke, but BP noted that his pitches were moving more in those situations. Maybe it's an anomaly, or maybe Cain is just the coolest cat ever to take a pitching mound. From the comments section of the BP article:
Yeah. That. Enjoy the win, Matt. You've earned it. Well, this and several more.
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Cain, 6-1 and 2.31 ERA. Sounds like some other team’s ace.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
Not according to lookout landing
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by bondslegend on May 29, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
that's what I was thinking
Lincecum
Cain
Bumgarner
Alderson
Someone
That’s delicious!
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by natteringnabob on May 29, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
"Someone" is Zito, for at least 4 1/2 more years...
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 29, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
not as delicious
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 30, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
If he's the number 5,
that’s fine with me.
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by bondslegend on May 30, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
if he pitches
anywhere like he has this year, he’s the best 5 in the league.
I’m not an advocate for shipping Sanchez out, but it’s a lot easier to swallow if you think of it like this.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on May 30, 2009 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions
me, too, but kinda pricey.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 30, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Indeed
but what’re you gonna do? It’s already a sunk cost. If that’s the cost of having a pretty awesome 5-man rotation, then I’ll take it.
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by bondslegend on May 30, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking
Lincecum
Bumgarner
Cain
Alderson
Zito
That’s the projected rotation anyway, and I think it makes the most sense; Bumgarner has a far higher ceiling than Cain, and Alderson MIGHT be better too, but it’ll take him awhile to get the experience Cain has. Lincecum and his Cy Young stay at the top, of course, until someone else gets one.
um…no. Bumgarner’s ceiling is very high, but so is Cain. And even if it is higher—which is not at all a given—it isn’t by much. Alderson doesn’t have the ceiling of Cain. Take it easy on the prospect fanboy pills.
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"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
What Bumgarner did last year with Augusta was much more impressive than what Cain did when he was 18 years old and in Augusta. The year after that Cain put up a 9.1 K/9 and a 3.2 BB/9, splitting his time between San Jose and Norwich. Right now Bumgarner has a 9.4 K/9 and a 1.7 BB/9 between San Jose and Norwich. He might not keep it up, but I really doubt his BB/9 will even approach 3.
So far, Bumgarner has shown similar strikeout numbers to Cain, but he clearly has better control. We don’t know that he’s going to be better than him, and I’m sure that if he turns out to be similar to Cain we’ll all be happy, but I’d definitely say that he has the higher upside.
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Madbum
number TWO starter AT BEST!!
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by bondslegend on May 30, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Hard to say. We’ve seen Cain for quite awhile, so it is easy to think he has reached his ceiling already, and that may not be the case at all: he’s got ace stuff, is still very young, and may well end up an ace and not just a good 2.
Madbum and Cain both have fantastic fastballs (though the slightly lessened velocity of cain is a little troublesome). Madbum has a change which could develop very nicely, but isn’t there yet, and his slider is getting more and more interesting, but he isn’t at or nearing Randjy Johnson sort of filth yet. So yes, if those develop well, his ceiling is higher.. (but that is far from a given). And remember, Cain’s command could improve a bit, he could further refine the change, and develop another nice pitch to mix in—and if he does a few of those…that ceiling is way up there.
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I could make the argument that my 3 year old neighbor has a higher ceiling in Cain, but the fact is that Cain is 6-1 with a sub 2.50 ERA in the major leagues. “Ceilings” are overrated
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by Useful_Idiot on May 30, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Just wondering
Can we actually sustain a rotation with Lincecum, Cain and Zito past 2010 when Bumgarner and Alderson are ready to go?
Lincecum will probably be a super-2 and get arbitration starting next year (just guessing here, but presumably around $6M in 2010, $9M in 2011 and $12M in 2012). Cain is signed for reasonable amounts in the next two years (around $4M in 2010 and a $6.5M option in 2011), but after that is free agent eligible and will probably command $10-15 million per year. Zito gets $20M per through 2013 or 14.
Depending on what Lincecum gets in arbitration in 2010 we would have around $35 million tied up in just those 3 pitchers with salaries rapidly escalating thereafter.
I’m afraid that the dream of a Lincecum-Cain-Bumgarner-Alderson-Zito rotation for years to come is just that – a dream. We’re probably going to be forced to trade Cain due to finances.
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I’m thinking that the team will stagger the callups of Tim2 and Mad Bum – not just for $ reasons but because having 2 rookies in the rotation at once might be a tough situation. Rookies, regardless of how good they are, typically struggle and are, at least, more inconsistent. Also, the team probably doesn’t want to bring either one up until they’re positive that they’re here to stay.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 30, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps Alderson will be called up either later this year or the beginning of next year to start. And then Bumgarner spends another year or until late next year until he’s called up.
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Pitches:
J Pineiro 71
B Boyer 21
K McClellan 21
C Perez 25
They had to use three relievers who threw a total of around 70 pitches, while our bullpen threw around 30.
Plus, Pujols didn’t hurt us too bad. I’m not sure if it’s possible to stop him from hitting, but considering the circumstances we did a pretty good job.
Pujols didn’t hurt us too bad only because of the situations in which he came to the plate. Only so much a guy can do with the bases consistently empty
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by Useful_Idiot on May 30, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
No HRs!
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by bondslegend on May 30, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
small victories!
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by bondslegend on May 30, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Did Pablo have to make any throws tonight?
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by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions
He was throwing it around the infield after outs and so forth, but I don’t recall any balls thrown in anger.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 30, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Then stay away from Clemens’ trainer.
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by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Great job Matt!
I’ll hoist a few tonight in honor of how you’ve toughed it out these last several years and are now finally getting the numbers and recognition.
Just in time for Sabean to trade you for a washed up dirtbag in a futile effort to keep his job.
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When I hear Ralph Barbieri’s Ameci’s commericials, I kind of want to go on a hunger strike.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
You guys…Brian Wilson pitched a 1-2-3 inning.
I’m so scared
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by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
so...
is he just giving up on any pretense of other pitches now?
I am glad to see the heater for strikes, but isn’t there supposed to be some other semi-reliable pitch?
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by natteringnabob on May 29, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Moving (procrastinating)
brought up MCC , saw the header /score/win/loss , and said “6 – 1? WAHOO!”
This is patience and perseverence rewarded.
Gawd , those years where your heart went out to him time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time
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by victor frankenstein on May 29, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions
OT...
That post made me think of an old, scratched, Cyndi Lauper record.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
That post made me think of an old, scratched, Cyndi Lauper.
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by victor frankenstein on May 29, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Lorenzo Llamas?
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by natteringnabob on May 30, 2009 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Mega Shark!
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Affeldt like it was a good signing when it happened, but the sub-2 ERA is making me smile even more now.
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
Son done made me proud
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by Giant among Angels on May 29, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s even been better than his ERA indicates. A few baserunners turned into runs from the early incompetence of Howry.
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Even when he digs his own hole by allowing the leadoff runner to reach base he has somehow been able to limit the damage. I believe there was a stretch in early May where he BB’d the leadoff hitter (in 3 straight appearances) then promptly got the next batter to GIDP.
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by Giant among Angels on May 30, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Huh. Haven't been here in a while.
But, man, WINZ are awesome.
emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 29, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions
I was born in 1955. The Giants’ last world championship was 1954. Using this logic, I should probably commit suicide for the good of the team.
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perhaps you can get reborn?
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 30, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes I may be born again, but I wasn’t born again yesterday.
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by Giant among Angels on May 30, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Using that logic, every Giants fan born after 1954 should commit suicide for the good of the team. Using that logic, there would be no Red Sox or Cubs fans in the world. Using that logic, there would be no ESPN
I could keep going forever
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by Useful_Idiot on May 30, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
tell me more about no Red Sox fans.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 30, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
OH BABY
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 29, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions
Giants win, I saw “Up”, and Matt Cain, #18, pitched on my 18th birthday. A good day.
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is it any good?
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by bondslegend on May 30, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
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CANT WAIT.
I’ve been wanting to see it for awhile.
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taking my kid today. Not too many kiddie movies I look forward to, but this one looks good.
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Yup
I love those guys because their movies are great for kids, parents, and twentysomethings in between.
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by bondslegend on May 30, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I also saw Up in lieu of the game, and it was awesome. There are some pretty heavy themes that will need some ’splainin to the kids though.
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Concert was great, looks like the game was just as good!
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by NuschlerFace on May 30, 2009 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions
If you missed it, Baseball Prospectus had a great article on Cain yesterday, noting that he’s pitching much better with runners on base. That sounds like a fluke, but BP noted that his pitches were moving more in those situations.
It’s kind of interesting, but all the writer really showed is that, in the sample size of about 120 PA’s, Cain has pitched better with runners in scoring position this year. He doesn’t actually make any argument for why we shouldn’t just dismiss at as a fluke. He also didn’t show any pitch f/x data from last year, I’m guessing because it would have weakened his argument.
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Cain IS better this year
I know most don’t agree with my Matt Cain opinions, but I really don’t buy all the “bad luck then, good luck now” logic. Some of it is true, but there are other factors in my opinion.
1. Giants offense scores more runs for him because they have more faith in him than they did before. Just like when Lincecum takes the mound, the Giants now think they’re going to win when Cain pitches, and they relax and hit better. They know if they fail in the clutch, Matt is still going to go out there and throw scoreless innings.
2. Cain has become better at limiting the damage in bad innings as the batting average of opponents with RISP indicates. You guys probably disagree, but last year or the year before Burris’ error snowballs into a big inning. This year he gets the next hitter out.
3. His pitch count is no longer astronomical and he’s able to get deeper into games. The last two years he was giving the ball over to bad middle relievers, and now he’s giving the ball over to good late inning relievers.
Why has Barry Zito taken over as the tough luck pitcher? The opposite of the above. The Giants don’t think they’re going to win when he’s pitching, and he gives up runs early and puts them in more desperate situations.
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You're right - I disagree.
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I have to say
that I find any theory that ties offensive production to whether or not a team has “confidence” in its starting pitcher is highly suspect. You’d think that other factors might be a little more important, like…oh, I dunno…the opposing pitcher?
Bengie: Like an Aurilia kidney stone, slow-moving and tough to get out.
so you’re saying he’s facing worse pitchers this year than he faced the last two years, and that’s why he’s more successful? I think that’s more highly suspect than my theory. To me he just seems more focused this season from beginning to end. No lapses in concentration. He’s pitching against the bottom of the lineup like it’s the top of the lineup.
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I think he has a better offense behind him than he did last year.
Pablo > Castillo
Renteria > Vizquel/Bocock
Rowand > Rowand v.2008
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I guess that’s balanced by the fact that they played their best ball last year after Durham left. I’m in no way implying that there two were related.
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I don’t know my ass from a hole in the ground statistically, so I can’t offer quantitative certainty, but from a performance standpoint as a batter, relaxed confidence makes good things happen.
I don’t see what is even controversial about it – you move faster when you are relaxed because you are not fighting the antagonist muscles (this is why Bruce Lee always preached about staying relaxed as much as possible). In addition, a stressed mental state tends to result in poor decision making.
I can’t say how significant this effect is of course, but I think group psychology can and does affect performance.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 30, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
what the evidence that players were previously “more stressed” when Cain pitched, but that is no longer the case? the problem with theories like that is there’s no way to prove or disprove them using evidence.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 30, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
That is a problem… in addition to that we’re talking about subjective perceptual issues rather than factual issues. However, because something isn’t readily quantifiable doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
In fact, I’m not willing to concede that it is impossible to prove that a confident team hits better (all else being equal). I’m just too lazy and/or unskilled to make that proof.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 30, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I find any theory that ties offensive production to whether or not a team has "confidence" in its starting pitcher is highly suspect.
I think, if anything, it’s the other way around. Cain might be pitching with more confidence that he doesn’t have to be perfect for the team to win.
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A couple of thoughts from last night’s game:
- Watching Uribe and Burriss’s great defensive plays was as exciting as any home runs
- Even when Cain got in trouble, I had confidence that he’s get out of it
- The team definitely is more fun with Panda in the lineup
- Sabean was right; the bullpen was the biggest problem with last year’s team
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I agree with everything you said, but Bochy said that Sandoval is going to be the first baseman for “a while” and in the long run I’m a little worried about Ishi losing playing time to Uribe. Not only is it a loss on the field, but we won’t be able to decide if Ishi is the answer at first or not if he’s rotting on the bench.
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Exactly. Ishikawa is heating up, and he needs a shot to determine whether he is part of the future. Look – maybe he’s never going to be Carlos Pena, but he’s in that sort of mold, and having Carlos Pena-Lite would still give us the best 1B we’ve had since JT Snow.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 30, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Ishi’s walk today was reassuring.
As FWF put it the other day, if Pablo’s arm/elbow is hurt – how about using the DL for an injured player? that would let him rest the injury properly and maybe get back at the hot corner or behind the dish. Maybe even toe the rubber.
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Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
Yeah seriously. Just let the guy heal. He’s way more valuable at 3B or C than at 1B
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 30, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
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I don’t think we’ve seen the real Travis Ishikawa yet.
I don’t know that the real Travis Ishikawa is good enough to play 1B for an MLB team, though.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
To what extent is Pablo's injury?
Since he’s playing 1st then the organization must think he’s able to at least make the light throws right?
If that’s the case wouldn’t it make more sense (if they are really desperate to get his bat in the lineup) to have Pablo at catcher. I don’t mind Uribe starting in the short-term because he’s hot and we should ride it, but so is Ishi. Conversely, something looks very wrong with Bengie and a few days off is probably needed. Of course, stopping base runners will be a problem, but I’m sure Ishi’s double-play potential and stellar d offsets it.
by SeeingStars on May 30, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If that’s the case wouldn’t it make more sense (if they are really desperate to get his bat in the lineup) to have Pablo at catcher.
Uh, no. The throw to second is probably the hardest throw in baseball. It’s long and allows the least amount of windup, so it’s all arm.
Little League baseball won’t let players catch after they’ve pitched they’re so scared of a kid blowing his arm out trying to make that throw to 2nd with a tired arm.
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Not to mention the number of return throws to the pitcher.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 30, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly. If Pablo is at 3rd, then as a opposing coach I put the pressure on him all day. Same applies at catcher.
1st base is really the only position where you can’t totally exploit his sore arm.
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by Giant among Angels on May 30, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Pablo + Uribe > Ishi + Uribe
For a team that struggles to score runs, getting your best hitter in the lineup is paramount. If Ishi has to ride some pine until Pablo’s elbow is ok, so be it.
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But Ishi’s May’s BA/OBP was .293/.397 vs Pablo’s .300/.344. If the injury is so severe that he has to be moved to another position shouldn’t he just rest until Ishi, another player we’re in the process of evaluating, falters. I’m just weary anytime a past-his-prime bench player is given a starting position mid-season as it opens the door to the Giants trading away assets for an overpriced proven player (i.e. a Joe Crede). Bochy openly saying that Pablo will be at 1B for a while is even more alarming.
by SeeingStars on May 31, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabean was right; the bullpen was the biggest problem with last year’s team
No.
The bullpen was a problem. The offense was the biggest problem.
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by bondslegend on May 30, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
The Giants TWIB episode is on and the narrator said “the gritty Aaron Rowand”
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I’m loving this episode!
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congrats on winning moneys
And yeah Fred’s clothes were funny.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 30, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Cain has 36 wins in his career
Matt Cain’s age: 24
Randy Johnson’s age when he won his 36th game: 28
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 30, 2009 2:24 PM PDT reply actions
So…you’re saying Matt Cain will have a better career than Randy Johnson?
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Tonight’s starting 9
CF Rowand
SS Renteria
RF Winn
C Molina
1B Sandoval
LF Lewis
3B Uribe
2B Burriss
P Zito
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Between never and the end of time.
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Why was Matt Kemp hitting 8th today?
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righties can't hit righties?
or Joe Torre is just an idiot
Moment of Irrational Optimism
I’ve heard a lot of concern about Cain’s strikeout rate this year, and it’s based in some amount of reality. Cain post an 8.4 K/9 in his age-21 season, and since then it’s been 7.3, 7.7, and this year 6.2. Conventional wisdom is that this number shouldn’t be dropping when a healthy pitcher is in his early to mid twenties.
So, as a counterexample, I give you this guy.
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)
12,844!
But I’m not sad about my post count like some people…
Oh.
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