I guess my point is that if your players are collectively performing about as well as you could reasonably expect and you are still the worst, what does that say about your planning?

It’s not like we’re the worst team because player’s are having surprisingly bad years or bad luck

I would hope that every single coach and manager throughout the Giants system from 1994 to 2007 never work in the baseball industry again. Yes, this includes pitching coaches.

They’re both hacks, but at least Pablo has an approach. He takes outside pitches the other way and seems muh better at identifying pithes than Feli ever did. I also like that he’s a swith hitter.

There’s also their ages. Feliz was a Giant at ages 25-32. During that time, I saw zero ability to change his approach. Pablo is 22 and I think he’s already shown an ability to show some discrimination at the plate. Except for that craptastic period of April 5-16 where he looked way too aggressive, he’s been pretty good about making pitchers pitch to him. He’s NEVER going to draw a lot walks, but he’s a tough out and I like his chances of getting a hit against any pitcher.

We are all Pedro Feliz.

Sometimes you need to hear it from another person and apparently Feliz has and now is accepting of it. He is also in a contract (option) year.

Feliz has also cut way down on his strikeouts and increased his walks. It could be a statistical anomaly, but it could also represent a change in approach. But he’s also in a much better lineup, and he’s hitting 7th typically. There isn’t as much pressure on him to produce offensively and he’s probably hitting with a lot more guys on base than he did here. He’s also in a park where it pays off to go the opposite field more so than it does in SF, at least power-wise.

Anyway, I’m a believer in the change in approach theory regarding Feliz, at least until he regresses back to the brain dead slop hacking version. The reason being is that the Giants preach indiscriminate aggressive hacking, which as we all can see is a recipe for very inconsistent offense at best, particularly with a bunch of guys without top of the line skills. It took awhile, but the Phils seem to have done something to change the guy’s approach and it is showing up in the results.

I don’t like the “what were they thinking” line of reasoning. No one honestly thinks that they assembled this lineup with the idea that it would be a good one. They knew and we knew that it would struggle to score runs and lack power.

I’m sure there was some hope that Pablo was for real and that Burriss could maintain what he did last year over the course of a whole season. There was also some hope that Travis would perform as well. I really don’t think they’re surprised that the team is as bad as it is, though. They may have hoped it got better than expected performances, but we all did.

Anyway, there was little the team could have done in the offseason if it was going to have a budget it did. the team decided that it would be better to address the bullpen, add a starter and sign a shortstop as the best way to get the most bang for its buck. Given the budgetary limitations, it did about as well as it could have.

Cain for Feliz.

GIT R DUN, GIANST BRAZZ!!!

everyone loves to hear about my fantasy team.

Is it possible that with experience, the amount of power in that lineup and hitting lower in the order, Happy Pete has relaxed a bit and is just not pressing as much as usual?
Also, while you might say it would be unfair to expect more of them to this point in their careers, I don’t think Ishi and Burriss are performing to their full potential yet.

I’m not gonna jump on the Giants management here, because anyone who can pick pitchers like these guys can’t be all bad.

The fact of the matter is, we had last year’s Cy Young winner, Cain is and always has been a great, highly underrated pitcher, if Sanchez ever gets consistent he’ll be in Cy Young contention, and Bumgarner and Alderson are two of the best pitching prospects in the minors.

But you can’t have it all. We haven’t been good at picking hitters out of the draft, or signing them, and that’s why we aren’t contending. But we’re getting there; we got Villanola, and Posey, and Noonan, and Kiesnick, and Gillespie, and we’ll probably take a hitter this year too. It takes time to build a team, instead of buying one like the Yankees do every year.

The Giants front office has realized that pitching>hitting (see: Texas Rangers), but pitching+hitting=WS, and that’s why we aren’t going to compete this year. Few people expected these hitters to do very well, and if we’re getting what we expect out of our guys, when the highly touted guys make it, and if we get what we expect out of them, we should easily compete, and maybe make some headway into October.

so is this:
Beltre=Feliz
now kinda true?

Mentions the day he took four unintentional walks for the Phils. Funny.

WTF RU DOIN SAEBS Y DID U GET RID OF FELIZ AND MATT PALMER

I always liked Feliz. he drove me crazy, but its hard to hate a guy who had 90 RBIs and 20 HRs a year. I would love someone like that on this team