SFGiants.com piece about... defensive "new statistical metrics"?

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I can get why they’re skeptical, it’s not like the article actually exaplined how the stats work, just threw a bunch of numbers out there. Of course, I doubt many of them would actually try to understand how UZR works if it were explained.

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:-(

by Cookyman on May 28, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention it thinks UZR says Aaron Rowand is great!

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by Roger on May 29, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it was just poorly written, but it looked like the author was mix-and-matching ZR, RZR, and UZR and cherry picking which one to use to make the Giants look good.

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by marcello on May 29, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would NEVER happen!

Especially on SFGIANTS.com, sure may it would on sfgiantstoday but SFGianst today doing this would be unpossible

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on May 29, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fantastic

It’s like something out of Planet Earth. "After a 4-minute chase, Johnson devoured Scherzer whole and sporadically the carcass for scavengers.

The problem is you have people that have been in the stupendously large leagues for 2, 1 years, and they think they own the Orioles," he said.

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by marcello on May 29, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Considering that they’re shocked at the notion that ANY left fielder could be worse defensively than Fred Lewis, I’m guessing they haven’t seen a lot of left fielders.

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by jcb9 on May 28, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

RauLOL Ibanez

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by CB30 on May 28, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, perhaps calling Lewis a “walking disaster” is a bit dramatic, but there is little doubt that Lewis isn’t anywhere near gold glove contention. Perhaps his speed makes him look worse than he really is? Maybe he gets there so quickly that balls within his “zone” all look routine, and it’s the ones further out that he’s not getting to….?

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by Natto on May 28, 2009 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

WAIT….this comment seems quasi-intelligent. wtf.

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by jponry on May 28, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The new "GIANTS BRASS" seems to be:

SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL SABES

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by satyricrash on May 28, 2009 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Bonus: Unfortunate typo referring to former Angels outfielder Gay Pettis.

by Grant on May 28, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Evans said he has noticed a gradual shift in the use of more sophisticated tools, which make players comparable to Detroit Tigers infielder Adam Everett of legend.

Wait, what? Was this story translated into Dutch and then back again?

by Grant on May 28, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on May 28, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

SFgiantstoday!

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by FairweatherFan on May 28, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it is very hard

For a player who has played baseball his entire life to accept something that essentially says you’ve been doing it wrong.

Rowand probably really values his GG’s (perception) and fielding percentage. For a stat to come out and tell him that he’s not as good as all that has to be hard to take.

I think it’s going to be the ball players who grew up with some of these more advanced stats (the guys who are in HS now) who really take them for what they are worth en masse and start using them to their advantage. The coming decade might be interesting in terms of the intelligence of baseball and a game wide shift away from traditional evaluative techniques.

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by FairweatherFan on May 28, 2009 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Looks like Rowand’s been told that he’s doing it wrong his whole life.

and Pettis was chiding Rowand for every poor throw, bad read and slow jump

Hasn’t helped.

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by Bhaakon on May 28, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eh. I highly doubt kids who are playing baseball now in HS and college and who will one day make the majors are really going to give two shits about defensive metrics and other saber stats.

by Hobbes2d on May 29, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You might be surprised

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by FairweatherFan on May 29, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s not like UZR hates him, though. According to it, he was a fantastic fielder between 2002 and 2005, a pretty good one in 2006 and 2007, and below average since signing with the Giants. Sigh.

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:-(

by Cookyman on May 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh jeez. I need my morning coffee before I try and read this.

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by xanthan on May 29, 2009 2:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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OH NOES

I’ll do more than call him a walking disaeter. He is completely overrated and the fact that Sabes thought this guy was going to supply the power needed for this lineup is a real sad state of affairs. He would not be so bad if once again we had two “true power hitters”on this team. Someone needs to tell Sabes that Rbi’s would get it done as well and is part of the power missing from this team

Bay City Ball

by xanthan on May 29, 2009 4:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think “Rbi’s would get it done” might be my new favorite phrase.

GET IT DONE RBIS!!!!11

Bay City Ball

by xanthan on May 29, 2009 4:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

GIANT BRASS R VEGITERANS< THEY DON"T LIEK Rbis

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on May 29, 2009 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

WTF?

The little picture box was a bunch of 1’s and !’s??

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on May 29, 2009 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

SOMEONE TELL SABES!

by Lars The Wanderer on May 29, 2009 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That’s one of the weirdest SBN auto-formats. it formas !!!s and 111s as a broken image!

by jcb9 on May 29, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

will2244 wrote:
Hey Giants Fan: We have 4 months to play. With this lineup it’s gonna be .500 at best.

I wonder in Wilriv is trolling?

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on May 29, 2009 6:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Also this story from SFgiants.com worries me.

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on May 29, 2009 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah shit

“It looks like he’s getting more and more comfortable with it,” manager Bruce Bochy said in appreciation for Schierholtz’s pinch-hitting. “He really has done better than I expected.”

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by ResDog on May 29, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs