Who would you pick to replace Bochy/Sabean?

I’m still unsure on Sabean. What he does during this upcoming trading deadline will probably push me in one direction or the other.

RE: Manager

I’d like a Saber-ish manager. At least someone who’s slightly receptive to baseball analysis and not old school thought patterns.

Would we be interested in John Barr as the GM?

As for manager, I’d be inclined to take a shot with Steve Decker, although ideally I’d like him to have 4-5 more years of experience. Andy Skeels, the same. Maybe Roberto Kelly?

Before you talk about Sabean, look at Billy Bean’s last 2 offseasons and trades.

He’s done worse than Sabean.

Beane

Depodesta?

Wotus for two years, bump Decker to the big club Bench Coach and then make the transition to Decker as Manager.

I’d like for the organization to preach & teach taking more pitches from the top of the organization down to the bottom. It really bugged me when Lewis, our most patient hitter, was told to be more aggressive. That shit’s gotta stop.

Disclaimer: Not sure if it’s being taught now, but do know it’s being poorly executed.

I’d like to keep Sabean, but throw Bochy out at the end of the year. As for his replacement, a big part of my heart says “Omar Vizquel” (assuming that he ever retires), but my head says that’s a horrible idea.

If the Nat’s fire Manny Acta, I think that would be a fine idea.

I vote for Wotus as manager.

As GM I’m less inclined to choose someone…I do not know who is available out there. I’d be interested in seeing what Kim Ng can do, and she’s qualified, but I’m not certain enough she’d be better than Sabes to be all out for firing Sabean for her.

I don’t care. Someone with a lisp or a lazy eye or a mohawk or a hook for a hand.

I want a manager who gets fired up every once in a while and doesn’t act like he’s on Ritalin during interviews. Someone who has maybe 75% of the intensity of Ozzie Guillen, but isn’t a total douche. Who that is, I have no idea.

As for GM, I like the idea of Kim Ng, but I fear too much Coletti suckitude has rubbed off on her.

Unless we can find a manager who’s Saberish but can also relate to players, I have no idea. With all the young guys on the team and those that will be coming in the next two years, we need a “leader”.

Bochy hasn’t driven me any more bananas than Alou or Baker did, and I think his calm presence is probably repsected in the clubhouse. Alou wouldn’t lower himself to talk to players and Baker seemed to play favorites.

I want a manager who is willing to punch the opposing team’s owner in the mouth, which I suppose means Kevin Mitchell should be our new manager.

Tony LaCava was a candidate for the GM position in Washington DC and is supposedly a very good talent evaluator, I wouldn’t mind seeing him brought in either

Once the organization brass decided to increase the size of the front office and bring some new players on board (John Barr etc) I feel very comfortable with Sabean running the show.

Steve Decker has a long resume of player, coach and manager. Has been successful at each coaching spot and has knowledge of the Giants prospects. If there is any concerns with his experience the Giants can hire a grizzled vet as his bench coach.

GM: Steve Phillips
Manager: Joe Morgan

on the GM:

I would be ok with keeping Sabean, I’ve always supported him more than most people around here. I have always been impressed with Bobby Evans and would be happy to see him promoted to GM as well. If we do look to an external candidate, here are a couple that I like

Roy Clark: he has been the Braves scouting director since 1999, and has been with the Braves since 1989. What the Braves do with scouting and development is pretty amazing and I would love to have somebody from that camp.

Rob Anthony: he is the Twins Assistant GM and has been with them with 1988, including as Director of Baseball Operations from 1995-2006 (when he was promoted to Assistant GM). I think hiring somebody who has helped to run the Twins for that long would be a smart move.

I would also look at trying to lure away some current GMs by offering them more money or an ownership stake or something like that, guys like Andrew Friedman from the Rays (who I like a lot), or Jon Daniels from the Rangers, or Dayton Moore from the Royals.

as far as the Manager goes, if you are looking for somebody SABRmetrically inclined, one guy to consider is Eric Wedge who looks like a decent bet to be available this off-season. I think he has done a good job with the Indians , including presiding over a re-building period (which, needless to say, is what we need here) but he looks like he is about to take the fall for their struggles the last 2 years.

Kim Ng as the GM
Logan White as the AGM
John Barr as the Director of Scouting
Bobby Evans as the Director of Player Personnel

Ron Wotus as the manager
Steve Decker as the bench coach

Joe Torre supposedly sucked with the Cardinals, for example.

The fact of the matter is Bruce Bochy has never had a Major League offense at his disposal since coming to the Giants. Besides a little too much Aurilia love at times, I’m not really upset at Bochy. I’m not sure many managers could have done better with this team, since Bengie Molina’s been by far the best hitter on the squad since Bochy arrived.

Now the fact that Bochy hasn’t had a decent offense in three years, that’s Brian Sabean’s fault. In terms of general manager candidates, the Marlins sure seem to be doing a lot with very, very little. How about trying to lure away their GM (Michael Hill) or his assistant (Orrin Freeman)?

Just out of my curioustiy….

Let it be known that the GM position is open. Allow people to submit cover letters and resumes. They don’t have to all be from baseball men. The key is the ambition to build a winner and an understanding for modern baseball analysis. Of course a bunch of people like you and me will submit but we’d be pushed aside. That’s not the point. The idea is to open the door to new ideas and see what pops up. The good old boy system really doesn’t do much for progress.

Narrow the field to 100 applicants or so and conduct a test. Take the ten best and interview them and now you have a GM. Let the GM choose the manager.

It could work. Won’t happen, of course. There is little doubt in my mind, though, that there are great baseball minds that don’t operate under the MLB tent. Joe CEO on Wall Street may know the game inside and out but when he was 20 and a junior in school, he gave up his dream of becoming a ballplayer, but not his passion. This mythical figure could become a top flight GM.

There are thousands of capable people out there. The Red Sox took a gamble (not really) and gave the position to a guy in his 20s. Best move they ever made.

But I think having a manager with more of a personality would help them.
He doesn’t seem like the type that relates with the players much.

Bam. Thread over.

I think there is a chance both return for the 2010 season. If the Giants finish at .500 (or close to that mark), bowtie and Baer may decide to go with the status quo and bring both back thinking they have the Giants moving in the right direction.

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Caveat: I am dumb.

I have been hearing about Kim Ng for a half decade now as the GM of the Future, yet I do not know what makes her such an overwhelmingly desirable candidate, nor why organizations have spent half a decade passing her over if she is indeed the genius/prophet most label her. Can someone with patience who likes to write long paragraphs addressed to idiots like me break down the “case” for Ms. Ng and what makes her the popular choice?

The same has been said about Sabean (dismissing him at the end of the year I mean, I don’t think anyone is suggesting he should be fired midseason).

I am.

I think a mid-to-late-season move is definitely preferable to a post-season move because it gives the new GM a good chunk of time to assess the organization, from players to coaches to front office personnel. You want your GM to be 100% ready to roll with trades and FA signings as soon as the last out of the regular season is made. Waiting until October to replace Sabean means this coming off-season would largely be wasted.

I don’t advocate firing Sabean, per se. I think he deserves better than that, given the number of years he has been with the team, and the degree of success he had during the first half of his tenure. My hope would be for something more along the lines of a “kick upstairs” move, which actually would resemble the way Sabean himself took over for Bob Quinn in 1996. Hopefully, he’d be willing to go along with a move like that. If not, fire him.

I don’t pretend to know who should replace Sabean. My guess is that the ideal choice might be someone most of us have never heard of. I’m thinking: someone young, energetic, forward thinking, with a strong understanding and value of sabermetrics—basically, everything Sabean is not. I’d like to see someone who is able to formulate and carry out a comprehensive plan for building real depth of talent throughout the organization, rather than desperately filling holes with whatever retread, on-his-last-legs veteran happens to be available on the FA market. I’d like to see a Giants’ GM who replaces Sabean’s malaise and his willful ignorance, with greater awareness and even some intellectual curiosity toward the job of building a champion organization.

My tendency would be to look towards someone currently apprenticing alongside a Theo Epstein, or an Andrew Friedman. I’m not against the idea of considering Bobby Evans or Kim Ng. I just hope Bill Neukom has some idea of what he’s looking for, and that it’s not just someone who will give us more of the same tired approach.