I have an idea, but it won't be easy
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 2:07 PM PDT
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I wonder, how many of you would be willing to fully boycott the Giants. No more watching games. No more radio. No more reading anything on the net (except this site which would be a HQ.) No more spending a dime on merchandise or game tickets or anything. Some of you may already see where I am heading so for the others I will get there fairly quickly.
Perhaps it is far-fetched, but we, the fan base, have a lot of power. It would take a lot of work, but who would be willing to completely boycott the Giants and encourage others to do so, as well.
The goal would be to make a financial impact on the team with a unified front DEMANDING the immediate firing of Bruce Bochy and the coaching staff along with Sabean. Even though our GM has overseen a few nice drafts in a row, I suspect it is more the people under him that did such a good job. In any case, it is clear we need to move in a new direction.
Now there are some that say the future looks good, and this is true. It is also true that for years it has been clear what needed to be done and Sabean did not do it. We went into the offseason with one main need: offense. We got an over the hill SS. That's it. True, it wasn't the best free agent class, but there were solutions out there.
Perhaps this is a frustrated pipe dream. Perhaps not. I do know that every day I live in fear that Sabean will do something stupid. In my mind, this would require hundreds of people to write individual letters to the team specifiying exactly why they are unhappy and stating clearly that no more money will be coming from that source.
Before anyone posts all the negatives to this. Namely the fact that it is incredibly difficult to organize a protest of this nature or the fact that the team won't care if they only get a few complaints because the advertisers will still be paying them and it would take a while before any sort of impact would be felt. Really, if only 1000 people did this it would barely nudge the bottom line.
Ultimately, the reason the team is here is because the fans pay for it. If enough people made a stink it might cause waves. I do believe that if 1000 people wrote letters to the team that would have an impact.
It's a romantic notion and essentially a waste of time as baseball is a luxury but yeah. It's been running through my mind for a while and wonder what other people think. Please post your comments, thoughts, ridicule, baking ideas, and even arguments against my idea. I'd really love to hear some pro-Bochy, pro-coaching staff arguments...if there are any.
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Baseball is a drug
And I’m a junkie.
Ain’t gonna happen.
by kaliber on May 27, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this
Plus paying attention to the Giants is sort of in my job description, I kind of can’t boycott.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 27, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
well it isn’t my job description, but it might as well be.
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by Aadik on May 27, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
same here
that’s how I spend my time at work, anyway.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is not going happen. I live out of state and I still watch about 140 games a year. As much as dislike Bochy, I like the Giants more. Win or Lose.
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by nvsfg on May 27, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading all the posts so far, this one seems to be the most true.
No one wants to give up their love. That’s only natural.
I do think that the responses are indicative of the state of our democracy and how for the most part, people feel like they have no influence over those in power. I’m not really surprised. Especially since baseball is a nice distraction from that very distinct lack of power that most of us feel.
It would probably be better to use that energy to make a positive effect on something that really mattered.
Thanks for the healthy dose of sobriety.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think that the responses are indicative of the state of our democracy
ok, let’s go easy on taking what happens on a baseball blog as indicative of anything big.
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 27, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true. It is also true that, for many of the people on this site, if they felt they truly had the power to get rid of Bochy or Sabean, they would. Unfortunately many people feel powerless to the extent they don’t even consider that they could potentially have a major impact.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re overestimating the number of people who want to get rid of Bochy and Sabean.
by cakes on May 27, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a poll
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What else am I supposd to do from April to September…(In the Giants case until May!!)
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by Mordy From Monsey on May 27, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
Sad but true. No matter who wears the uniform and who is running the team, I can’t quit them.
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by WilliamVanLandingham on May 28, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Bochy
I’m pretty indifferent about the others, and I don’t dislike Bochy more than I like watching/listening to the Giants, so, no.
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by Viliphied on May 27, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t dislike Bochy more than I like watching/listening to the Giants
But man are there times for me where that gap is not as large as it should be.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 27, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bochy is nothing more than a Melon head....
If I want to watch Melons, I’d rather watch the pair that Pamela has
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by Mordy From Monsey on May 27, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/bows down.
We’re not worthy. We’re not worthy.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 28, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty hopeful for the future of this ballclub. Sabes’ contract is expiring soon, Bochy won’t be around for much longer, and the minor leagues are fairly well-stocked. I’m pretty “meh” right now about them—definitely not passionate enough to boycott.
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by Chulk on May 27, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This
Is a stupid idea
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 27, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No
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by Scottsdale on May 27, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fail
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
However
IF Sabean trades Cain for Sheffield, I’m right there with you.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
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by groug on May 27, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you set an example
and get started? The rest of us will be right behind you!
by jctGamer on May 27, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no fucking way.
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by jponry on May 27, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t do that, nor do I want to
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by CB30 on May 27, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is horrible, this idea.
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by marcello on May 27, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Despite the picture fail I still got the ref. <3 Office Space.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 27, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAMMIT
Stupid tripod.
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by marcello on May 27, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a ……. jump to conclusions mat
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by CB30 on May 27, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tripod is horrible!
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should see what the folks over at DailyKos think of this idea. This seems like their kind of thing.
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 27, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW
This happens all of the time in sports. Boycotting a team is generally called becoming a fan of another team.
If your local team does things that piss you off sooo bad, then root for another team.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They could never piss me off so bad, but this isnt an invitation for them to try
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by CB30 on May 27, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of tried to become a Kings fan after the Warriors traded Antawn Jamison for Nick Van Exel, Avery Johnson and co. It was pretty much impossible for me to root for another hoops team, even one that was much better.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on May 27, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you are saying the A’s fan base has been protesting for 15 years?
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by say hey nation on May 28, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve had a week off from the Giants, and let me tell you, I miss Bruce Bochy.
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by ResDog on May 27, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What has the coaching staff done to you?
Also, really? You really think that most GM’s out there would have managed to make our offense much better this offseason? Also this is just untrue:
We went into the offseason with one main need: offense
That is, unless you think that we should have gone with a 4 man rotation.
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:-(
by Cookyman on May 27, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also:
A bullpen full of arsonists
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, this team went into the off season
With a couple good starting pitchers and a few position role players.
Everything else qualified as a need.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One need: people who play baseball.
About 20 of them.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 27, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and decide not to upgrade the bullpen
by tyrannoman on May 27, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, now that that idea has been summarily rejected, let’s hear your next one.
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by Goofus on May 27, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was the groupthink
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by CB30 on May 27, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boycott with your wallet
When i moved back to SF in 97 i went to a lot of games… maybe 20 to 25 games a year. The past few years my average is down to 1 to 3 games a year. Ever since the Giants FO decided not give Bonds any protection in the lineup i have been “protesting” by not giving them my hard earned money. I watch on TV and Radio, but as long as I don’t patronize their sponsors, they don’t get a dime from me.
It’s working too. Just look at the offense now1
My buddy and I were at the game last night. We were seriously wondering what kind of protest it would take to get rid of the wretched Renel, but I digress…
A letter writing campaign is a great idea, but i have a funny feeling Sabean can’t read.
"You ask for game winning hits, I give you Eugenio Velez"
by The Gene Hackman on May 27, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“We were seriously wondering what kind of protest it would take to get rid of the wretched Renel”
Giants blasphemy.
by AmorVincitOmnia on May 28, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both of you have been banned.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 29, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 29, 2009 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on May 29, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
she's loud, shrill and harsh
AND she sounds like a cheerleader, not a PA announcer.
"You ask for game winning hits, I give you Eugenio Velez"
by The Gene Hackman on May 29, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thread derail
Will Up get oscar respect beyond “animated feature?”
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so sick of these animated movies
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry you have no soul or joy :(
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by jponry on May 27, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have plenty of soul and joy
It exists in flesh and blood, not pixels.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mostly my own blood
after injuring myself doing something I enjoy
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re so hardcore!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on May 27, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
i forgot the smiley in there
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Potato Head: “Hey , Ham – I’m Picasso!”
Piggybank: “I don’t get it.”
Mr. Potato Head: “You uncultured swine!”
(Looks offstage) “What are you lookin’ at , ya hockey puck?”
Camera pans over to an actual armed – and – legged hockey puck , which shruggs its little shoulders in apparent confusion.
The subtle reference to Don Rickles’ (The voice of Potato Head) standup routine is NOT aimed at children there. (I so rolled!)
ALL Pixar movies are animated art with adult overtones because guess what? We’re part of the target audience. If we’re not then why waste time and money creating adult language and references children aren’t going to understand?
You’re not going to get a nation of Pixar lovers to dopeslap themselves and swear off what entertains them simply by stating your indifference.
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by victor frankenstein on May 28, 2009 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you actually seen a Pixar film?
They are the company that produced Up and a host of other films aimed at children AND adults.
Snarky mode: off.
What, by your definition, is a great film?
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh here we go
lol.
I’ve seen plenty, if not most pixar films.
Some are cute and humerous.
They are not, however, great.
Why would I subject myself to the instant ridicule of revealing what I think are good films? :) It’s a matter of personal opinion.
You are perfectly welcome to think that films like Up are great. I’m just sick of them.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then don’t go see them?
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by jponry on May 27, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't :)
I can still be sick of them and all of the publicity they get.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they’re good. They deserve the pub.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 27, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are the Red Sox
I’m still sick of them
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haters to the left
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 27, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
It seems that in the recent political spectrum, Haters are on the right.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are haters on both sides of the spectrum.
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by thehavenot on May 27, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but those on the right hate openly
It’s part of the platform.
Those on the left try to do it a little more discretely.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure it’s so discreet. It’s just more accepted.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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by thehavenot on May 27, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is laughable.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/agrees with Fairweather Fan.
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by nvsfg on May 27, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh fuckit who cares
Several Films I’d rate as comfortably above the mendoza line:
Saving Private Ryan
Lock, Stock, 2 Smoking Barrels
City of God
Lost boys of Sudan
American History X
Letters from Iwo Jima
Band of brothers (Mini-series, but still)
Several others that escape me right now.
Munich was good.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love GN&GL.
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by jponry on May 27, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too, too.
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by Lyle on May 27, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it better the second time.
Very pertinent in today’s political climate.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got it. You aren’t into feel-good films. You like war and reality and dirt. I’ve seen four of those films and agree they are all good. None of them made me feel good to be alive, though. That’s why I like Pixar films. I feel they improve my life by experiencing them.
I haven’t seen Lost Boys of Sudan, Letters from Iwo Jima or Munich…so they may be feel-good, but I suspect not.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like movies that make you think
And contemplate your situation in the world.
Buzz Lightyear didn’t really do that for me.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but that was a Saturday morning TV series.
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, this makes more sense. Did you see Synecdoche ,NY?
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you might like it. The 2 hours 30 mins of the film are really just an outline so you can spend the next 2 weeks thinking about it.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big fan of mile wide inch deep films
See: Milk, Harvey.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also see equilibrium, it is an early Christian Bale film
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 28, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
It zooms through his life with nary a pause.
One thing to the next.
Oh, look at that – by BF hanged him self. Next scene.
I thought the character development was poor as a result. You didn’t feel like you really got to know any of them.
It was essentially a factual list of events.
by FairweatherFan on May 28, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem with biopics.
Real life people don’t develop in a satisfying way like fictional people do. Also, real life stories aren’t usually as entertaining or sufficiently simplistic for the limitations of the medium.
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by Bhaakon on May 28, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what is stupid tho, now that you mention it
I watched a movie the other night that I didn’t anticipate to be anything other than mildly entertaining but I’ve spent way too much of my idle time contemplating it since then and it’s started to get me wondering.
Lord of War.
Kinda weird. I didn’t even think it was very good watching it but if I’m still thinking about it it must have had something…
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that.
It was horrible and didn’t make me think at all.
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by groug on May 27, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It got lame quick
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 28, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was't well acted or anything like that
But I thought the premise was interesting. Truth is that shit is going on, and this world is pretty fucked up when it comes down to it.
Really struck a chord with me, kinda like City of God.
by FairweatherFan on May 28, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The premise was fine. The movie was not.
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by groug on May 28, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right.
premise was strong enough to get me thinking, despite the movie not being great.
by FairweatherFan on May 28, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I HATE JARED LETO
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 28, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m trying to think of something in movies that was more obvious than Jared Leto dying on the “one last trip” to Africa.
I got nothing.
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by groug on May 28, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did like his coke map of brazil
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 28, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i enjoyed it as well
Don’t remember if it was thought-provoking, but it was fun.
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by UnleashTheGore on May 27, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like movies that make you think
And contemplate your situation in the world.
That’s what real life is for.
Getting a legitimate smile that lasts for more than 30 seconds if worth it, whether it comes from a movie, a lover, or anything.
I say this as a filmmaker. I love a good, deep film as well, but there is more than a small place for the things that can make us smile.
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by victor frankenstein on May 28, 2009 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best example of an animated movie that makes you think:
Waking Life
imho
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by The Gene Hackman on May 29, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I disagree
I think films like SVPR and Letters from Iwo Jima make a person feel extremely good to be alive.
But in a different way. Grateful to be alive might better describe it.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than Saving Private Ryan, those are all good, if relentlessly serious.
You’re kinda like the director in Sullivan’s Travels.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 27, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hardly ever hear anyone talk about American History X. Not a happy movie (in the traditional sense) , but one of my favorites.
/Edward Norton fan.
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by nvsfg on May 27, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/also and Edward Norton fan
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by CB30 on May 27, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I as well.
American History X is a fucking fantastic movie.
Not a happy movie because well, Bigotry is not a happy subject involving happy people.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HULK SMASH!
Now that is thought provocking
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 28, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s a fantastic movie. very underrated as far as I’m concerned.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love discussing film and just find your attitude towards Pixars films to be odd because they are the most universally loved films I have ever encountered. Everyone has their own taste but to condemn them as soley kids film intrigues me.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wall-e isn’t socially significant?
The importance of human interaction and taking care of the planet were the main themes of that film.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the best animated films, and im not a gigantic fan of pixar
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by CB30 on May 27, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep hearing this.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I had low expectations, because I didnt want to be fooled by the hype, but it delivered.
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by CB30 on May 27, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What animated film is "better" than Wall-E?
I can’t think of a single one. There are a few that a fair argument could be made are equals, but better? I just don’t see it.
Spirited Away is the closest I can think of.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Argument could be made for Toy Story
I havent seen Spirtied Away
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by CB30 on May 27, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madagascar?
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 28, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please be joking.
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by Natto on May 28, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he really likes to move it move it?
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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by thehavenot on May 28, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that is like crack for all toddlers
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 28, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
personally, Ratatoullie. Wall-E had much deeper social issues, but using a rat who likes to cook as a vechile towards growing up and realizing that you have to be tru to yourself are pretty brilliant in my book.
by tyrannoman on May 28, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Cyrano de Bergerac with rats and food!
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by Natto on May 28, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wall-E
was boring to me.
I dig Shrek, Monsters Inc. and Toy Story more.
by AmorVincitOmnia on May 28, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first Shrek had some great writing, but the animation and character designs were pretty meh. Shrek 2 was alright, but Shrek 3 was entirely unnecessary. Unfortunately, they’re making more of them. :(
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by Natto on May 28, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Shrek 3 was pretty bad.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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by thehavenot on May 28, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh..
I only liked the first.
by AmorVincitOmnia on May 28, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratatouille has a lot to say about the tension between talent and tradition.
Just because something is playful does not mean it isn’t smart.
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by oldjacket on May 27, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratatouille had two of the grossest scenes I’ve ever seen in a movie…
A huge collection of rats working in a kitchen…
And a huge collection of rats falling through a roof.
I wanted to vomit after that second one. I really liked the movie though. My wife can’t watch it anymore because it makes her sick, both from a disgusting rat perspective, and because she was going through seriously bad early pregnancy sickness at the time.
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by JRPhillips on May 27, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Die now.
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cartoons were originally created for the entertainment of adults. It’s only in the past 20 years or so that they’ve been targeted toward children. Pixar makes movies for people of all ages. They just happen to be animated.
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the Super Friends were for adults? You may want to revise the 20 year figure…
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just tossing out a random number, but my point was that cartoons aren’t strictly for kids.
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flintstones!
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, two examples don’t stand as an irrefutable counterpoint.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Flintstones was created for a prime-time adult audience. After all, it pretty much started out as an animated version of the Honeymooners.
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have a really hard time thinking of “20 years ago” as anything but the 70s. Even though my age pretty makes that a ridiculous thing for me to think.
But 20 years ago was basically the 90s? Jesus…..
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That blows my mind as well.
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should have said 30 years ago.
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/stares in horror
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by ResDog on May 28, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap!
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
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by WalrusMan on May 28, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, one example doesn’t stand as an irrefutable counterpoint.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 27, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, because works like Waltz with Bashir, Persepolis, Perfect Blue, Millenium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, Princess Mononoke, and a hell of a lot of other excellent animated films are for children. Rape, murder, war, stalking, homelesslessn, HIV, dumping babies in the trash, the Islamic Revolution, drug use, the raping of the land, those things are for children, right?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 27, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
blah.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, those names nearly all sound like self indulgent life is so miserable films
Of which I am not a huge fan.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you fail to recognize the examples of animation that aren’t for children and act like a dickhead instead. Good to know.
Tokyo Godfathers is my favorite Christmas film there is. It concerns themes of togetherness, family, belonging, finding your way after you’ve been lost for so long, and the power of love. The characters have to go through hell to find those things. It truly made me appreciate the things I have.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 27, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
concerns themes of togetherness, family, belonging, finding your way after you’ve been lost for so long, and the power of love.
Sounds like exactly the type of movie I would get exceedingly bored with.
I didn’t realize not liking your movies made me a dickhead.
We all have different tastes. It’s okay – really.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your passive-aggressive “blah” comment tells me you don’t actually want to look at the examples provided to you. Whether or not those movies are bummer flicks or not has nothing to do with the point at hand. Thus, you’re just being a dick for the sake of it.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 27, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
Your probably right. I am passing judgment based on a bias against foreign films.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So sad…Akira Kurosawa seems to fit exactly into the mold of films that you like.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fell asleep during Ran. :(
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 27, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to like a film
That I can’t understand.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I happen to think that the type of films a person enjoys
Is an extremely lucid window into their personality, and hence their life experience.
My life has been fairly free of strife and personal identity struggle, as such I don’t tend to identify or enjoy films that center around those themes.
I do however tend to fantasize about grandiose human sacrifice and accomplishment, and as such it’s no mystery that the films I enjoy follow that trend.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again this makes me think of Synecdoche, NY.
Brief plot: a playwright is given an infinite amount of funds to create his masterpiece. He spends the rest of his life creating a scale model city in which to tell his story.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh, see
I can already project that I wouldn’t like it.
Films that feature ineffective protagonists get on my nerves. Mostly because I don’t like ineffective people.
Those who make poor choices and squander exceptional opportunities piss me off, both in life and on film.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, all of the films in that list that I recognize are foreign. Is Millenium Actress by the guy who did Paprika?
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 27, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew the name was familiar. I’ve heard Paprika is a waste of time but his other work is outstanding. I’m guessing Millenium Actress is the one that people praise.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s about right.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 27, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paprika is good, but the real problem is that where his films like Perfect Blue and Millenuem Actress play with perception through reality, Paprika pretty much discards reality altogether. It kind of neuters the whole effect. It’s still a good movie, though. It’s just nowhere near as good as the others.
Which also has to have its context, as Milleneum Actress and Tokyo Godfathers are two of my favorite movies period.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Paprika was also Kon’s first adaptation, so his vision is also filtered through the source material. And I’m not sure it’s really a perfect match.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, if you were referring to Dreamworks movies, I would agree with you.
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy
You don’t want to get me started.
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you start him up baby well he’ll never stop.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Image is too big to post, but yes.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 27, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
That is great. And so very true.
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by jponry on May 27, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha the animals all look like their voice actor counterparts
/shakes head in wonder
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Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on May 28, 2009 3:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sound like
my wife’s step-father. He’s crotchety and old.
Not to say I think animated flicks need Best Picture consideration, but cartoons are enjoyable.
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by JRPhillips on May 27, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm merely crotchety and young.
Well, 27.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
27 is still young. But you’ve apparenlty got the blood and soul of a crotchety old man. =)
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by JRPhillips on May 27, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAIRWEATHER FAN IS CARL FREDRICKSON!!
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Form doesn’t mean very much. It’s all art.
That said, taste is taste.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't have a problem with you not liking animated movies.
Everyone has different tastes, and that’s fine.
What bothers me is the very inaccurate and closed-minded dismissal of them. If that is truly the reason you don’t watch them, I honestly feel bad for you. You are truly missing out on some of the better films being made. To be sure, there are quite a few being made just for children, and most of those which are (and quite a few of those which aren’t) are crap. But there are some truly great ones.
I had this eye-opening with Toy Story; I watched the trailer, rolled my eyes, and wondered just how a six-year old might enjoy such a silly looking film, much less anyone else. But my high school crush asked me to go with her, so of course I went. And I was floored. The truly wonderfully layered story, the incredible character arcs, and a very, very touching story of the loss of innocence (and the regaining of it) is still a movie I can not get enough of.
What I’d suggest is take this group’s suggestions for three truly great animated films, and see if they can change your mind about them. All I’d ask is that you make a good faith effort, and approach them with as open a mind as you can when you watch them.
And, gang, I’m going to set a non-binding rule – If you make three recommendations, only one Pixar film. And only one Miyazaki film. If we’re going to open Fairweather Fan’s mind to these, we need a wide-view.
My suggestions:
Wall•E – This is a hard choice between it and Toy Story. Both seem like such low-concept vehicles that deliver on an emotional and moral level that few Hollywood movies could reach. Wall•E wins out because it is a movie that is truly beautiful as well as touching, and can appeal to even classic film students in how it tells stories with, and without, words. An art ironically lost on many animated film makers these days.
Spirited Away – Maybe not the best of Hayao Miyazaki’s films, but I can’t but Princess Mononoke just because between it and Wall•E, I think one might dismiss me as a lefy-eco-freak. (Note Mononoke became the highest-grossing film in Japanese history of any kind until Titanic happened). Spirited Away is often described as a new age Alice in Wonderland.
Cowboy Bebop – It’s not a movie, strictly, but it’s a wonderfully adult series that people can get into.
My friend Roby is recommending Ratatouille, as that movie is certainly not aimed at kids and helped to a convincing job for her ex, who sounded the same as you.
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by BruteSentiment on May 28, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d agree with both Wall-E and Spirited away. I actually kind of expect those to be nearly universally chosen as they are, IMO, the pinnacles of Pixar and Miyazakis careers to this point. I shy away from Mononoke because it’s pretty grim. Spirited Away is magical.
Also SA is fairly lefty eco-friendly, as well. Just a different aspect of nature.
My third would be Bolt. It is a step above standard kiddie fare. It’s warm and sweet and a lot of fun. A hard film not to like. I could go on and on, but I won’t. I’ll just make that my third vote.
I eagerly anticipate seeing what three films the McCoven chooses.
by positiveuphemism on May 28, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mononoke is grim but it’s so beautiful. And I recognize that the message is pretty heavy-handed but everything about it is just so good.
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by jponry on May 28, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much every Miyazaki film has some sort of ecological slant.
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by Natto on May 28, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NAUSICAA OF THE VALLEY OF THE WIND
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by howtheyscored on May 28, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going to add that FairweatherFan has to agree. I’ll up the ante and volunteer to watch any three films he feels I should watch. To be fair, anyone who supports this watch three flicks thing might want to volunteer, as well.
A caveat..no films like Empire or others that serve no purpose other than to make watching hard.
by positiveuphemism on May 28, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in…and I would trust Fairweather to pick films that are truly good. I do like his list above, and would definitely have Saving Private Ryan among my Top 5 films of all time. That’s the thing, out of his list, I’ve seen them all except City of God and the Sudan boys…and the former is for personal reasons.
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by BruteSentiment on May 28, 2009 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
City of God
Was a movie that I walked into completely unaware. My GF picked it out because she thought it was something else.
I was entirely unprepared for what is quite possibly one of the most brutal movies I have ever seen. (at least, of one that attempts to be somewhat based in reality)
It also made me think long and hard about humanity, and the state of human struggle. I don’t know if I could watch it again because it is so powerful – much like someone who lived through a traumatic situation would not want to go through it again.
Ironically, I thought blood diamond was pretty good too – despite whatshisfuck.
by FairweatherFan on May 28, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What three films would you choose for us to watch?
Also, how do you feel about me creating a new fanpost with a poll so we could vote on your Pixar film. You’ve already chosen your Miyazaki. Also in a new thread (or here of course) we could argue for movie #3.
I’ve seen City of God and loved it and would be happy to see it again. But if you name three films I haven’t seen I will watch them all and report back.
by positiveuphemism on May 28, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still thinking about my list, but the poll sounds like a great idea.
By the way, fucking EPIC hijack, of your own thread nonetheless.
by FairweatherFan on May 28, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it truly a hijack if it is my own thread? The mystery deepens.
Thanks, by the way. I’ll get a post/poll up sometime today.
by positiveuphemism on May 28, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New McC strategy
If your fanpost turns out to be lame, hijack it yourself!
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by Goofus on May 28, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lost Boys
Is actually a pretty feel good story, and true – too.
I’ll have to spend some time to think of 3 films, and following on in your theme of diversifying them.
by FairweatherFan on May 28, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're on
Altho I will say It’s not as if I haven’t seen ANY of these movies.
I’ve seen Toy Story, numerous times. A perfectly good movie – and yes it does amuse me as an adult. I don’t think of it as a major contribution to the arts, but that is just personal opinion. I’ll give Wall-E a try.
Spirited Away has been added to my Netflix.
I’m not going to watch Cowboy Bebop tho. I’m perfectly familiar with it (unfortunately) and all I can say is I do not, under any circumstances, watch anime (for personal reasons, if you like). I’ll gladly watch something else.
by FairweatherFan on May 28, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should know then...
…that Miyazaki is part of the Japanese school of animation, so whatever is stopping you from watching Anime may stop you from watching that. I will admit, I’m curious, but if it is personal reasons, I won’t press for an explanation. That would be a shame though…a lot of anime is cringe-worthy, especially if you associate it mostly/exclusively with the Pokemon/Sailor Moon range, but there are some truly great ones out there.
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by BruteSentiment on May 28, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW Miyazaki prefers to distance himself from other mainstream anime. I’d say he’s more like early Disney than whatever pops up on TV. Even though he doesn’t animate lip sync.
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by Natto on May 28, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But really when you think about it, is there such a thing as a bad cock-punching?
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by Goofus on May 28, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cartoons are for children??? Two words: South Park. Two more words: Family Guy. Neither are for children.
by SFGuy on May 29, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Family Guy stopped being for anybody at all a while ago.
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by howtheyscored on May 29, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah this past season was the worst and I’m a fan of the show.
by SFGuy on May 29, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing what it turned into...derail win.
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by BruteSentiment on May 27, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so. Well, I need to see it first.
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by jponry on May 27, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there will be an oscar campaign this year. That’s based on nothing but the fact that last year so many people thought Wall-E should have been given at least a nod because it was above and beyond a normal animated film.
Early word is that Up surpasses Wall-E. Rottentomatoes has it at 98%. 42 of 43 recommend it. I can’t wait.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, really?
the previews have not impressed me. here’s hoping I’m wrong.
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by UnleashTheGore on May 27, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are!
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To clarify
I haven’t watched the movie yet, but I did about twenty minutes of it during a panel at Wondercon. Those twenty minutes were packed with so much awesome that I can’t wait to see what else is in store for me in the rest of the movie.
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*did see
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WALL-E was the best shot any animated movie has had at a Best Picture Oscar. It was incredible. I’m looking forward to Up and hoping desperately to find a theatre where it’s not being shown in 3-D.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 27, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most theatres will have it in 2D. But even with your glasses, you can still see it in 3d, as per my previous post to you.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though Beauty and the Beast came close.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GASTON!
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Give five hurrahs and twelve hip hips!
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by Natto on May 27, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one plots like Gaston, takes cheap shots like Gaston, loves to persecute harmless crackpots like Gaston.
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by JRPhillips on May 28, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by BruteSentiment on May 28, 2009 4:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
using the same tune...
No one fakes bunks like Richie, hits double plays like Richie, grows goutees like Richie.
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by UnleashTheGore on May 28, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night, I had the game on, and Richie comes up to bat. I said to my wife, “He’s going to ground out to an infielder.”
I felt so prophetic when he hit a slow roller to first.
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by say hey nation on May 28, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I think...
If Wall•E could not garner even a best picture nomination, I don’t think the Academy is ready. I would’ve nominated Wall•E over either The Reader or Benjamin Button, and honestly, probably Milk.
And I say this as someone who idolizes David Fincher as a director and really wishes he could be as good as him.
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by BruteSentiment on May 27, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. Though I think Wall-E deserved the nomination the trophy, I think it may have opened the door. There are a great number of people who felt it should have a nod. Because of this it is possible that the academy looks at Up a little bit differently.
Also, it is possible that Up will move people even more than Wall-E did.
by positiveuphemism on May 28, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would want to hope that...
…but I heard that a lot after Beauty and the Beast (another personal fave, but definitely more kid oriented) got its nomination, so I’m jaded.
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by BruteSentiment on May 28, 2009 4:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
I feel less inclined to spend money on tickets when the team sucks.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we never would have guessed.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
Just trying to give Posup something other than the 50+ comments of “You idiot” we gave him already
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, your username implies…
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
I’m perfectly content chatting about films, to be honest.
My reason for the post was to see if people thought it was possible for the public to influence the team. The answer was pretty clear. I don’t feel bad at all.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
When a team sucks for a long enough period of time, it financially influences the ownership group.
But I don’t think it’s really possible as some direct effort. If enough people were dissatisfied enough to sign on to something like this, they would already be making their own personal choices not to spend – so it wouldn’t really change things.
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if anything, the team’s worrying about public perception is one of the things that have contributed to its lack of success in the last four years.
by cakes on May 27, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible? Sure.
That wasn’t how I read your post, though…I understood it to be asking if we were willing to boycott, which would mean (a) we though it was possible to influence the team and (b) we were sufficiently agitated about the current situation to do so.
The fact that nobody bought into the whole proposition doesn’t mean they’re rejecting both of those conditions.
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by EliminateMe on May 28, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No more spending a dime on merchandise
Damn… this will make the Rally Monkey available at Marshall’s for $8 a pop… (and they’ll probably make appearances at the Oaktown Mausoleum)
by KrazyKrabMeat on May 27, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you have more chance of getting this idea going in oakland. We love our Giants, even if they need to fire Bochy. Sabes might have one more year, maybe.
by Big Daddy J on May 27, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol… this idea would work in Oakland if the A’s were 10 games ahead in the AL West
by KrazyKrabMeat on May 27, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to damage the team. It will make them poor like the A’s and we can all see how pitiful that situation is.
Bochy’s contract will be up after this season. no one thought we’d seriously contend anyway. It’s difficult to see them bringing him back. as for sabean? he can do more damage than good by making stupid trades.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
About 85% of the things that bug me about Bochy are the same things every MLB manager does.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 27, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the team should try a manage by computer approach
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the cat fell asleep on teh double switch button again!
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 27, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by ResDog on May 28, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is Bochy different than a computer? He manages by the book for the most part with very little creativity.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just chose the wrong book to manage by.
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by marcello on May 27, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
does that mean Xanthan for manager?
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by Speedforthewin on May 27, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote for this.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
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by S.F. Giangst on May 28, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All in fun
Xanthan hands ump the lineup sheet. Ump looks down. Stares at the paper. Looks up at Xanthan. Xanthan stares back at the ump. Ump looks back down to the paper. Sighs. Ump: “Okay, what do the red dots stand for?”
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on May 28, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Xanthan's lineup card.
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by WalrusMan on May 28, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This computer card probably pre-dates the vast majority of people’s ages here (it might even be before me).
by SFGuy on May 29, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+5081
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
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by S.F. Giangst on May 29, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1101101
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on May 29, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know at the end of my life, if I am lucky enough to have an actual “death bed”, I’m probably not going to look back on my life and say, “damn, I sure wish I had boycotted those Giants games, I bet that really taught that half a billion dollar corporation a lesson.” I’m probably going to remember the games I went to and the good time I had watching a bunch of meathead jocks run around in circles for my approval. IE life is too short for this shit. Either enjoy it or find something else to pass your time that you would enjoy. Extorting businessmen in order to force them to give me a smidgen more pleasurable memories at the end of my life? Eh…
by satyricrash on May 27, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What should Sabean have done this offseason to improve the offense?
Manny is going to miss half the season and is riddled with steroid-related media. No thanks.
Orlando Hudson/Rafael Furcal? An improvements over Renteria, maybe if healthy, but not much.
Russel Branyan would have been nice, but who really saw that coming?
The thing is, it’s easy to complain about what Sabean did or didn’t do. The team sucks, so we naturally think it’s because of a move he did or didn’t make. But really, the free agent market sucked, and in order to get an impact bat, a player like Cain would have had to been traded. After that, the player would probably not live up to expectations because of the crappy team around him, and then we’d all be pissed off at Sabean for making a move. It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. I, for one, am glad that Sabean did not make any rash moves. It will help weed out who will be possible positional players for when (a) the good prospects are ready to join the big club, and (b) when a good free agent might actually be available.
Be patient is all I can really say in the end.
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by UnleashTheGore on May 27, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Cain gets traded in a typical Sabean short-sighted matter this board is going to explode.
But long term patience, ie: our life times…none of this stuff really matters.
by positiveuphemism on May 27, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure Sabes has made too many short-sighted trades recently. The most recent short-sighted trade I can think of is Accardo for Hillenbrand and Chulk. Dumb trade made on 7/22/2006. After that, I can’t think of any particularly impactful trades that have been all that short-sighted.
Personally, I thought Sabean’s been making a lot more moves recently with an eye towards the future.
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by JRPhillips on May 27, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And really, how dumb was it?
What’s Accardo done lately? He had one good year last year but otherwise he’s been no better than Chulk was.
by FairweatherFan on May 28, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
None are doing much right now but it was a trade that didn’t need to be done.
by SFGuy on May 29, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun fact
Ishikawa’s OPS+ is now 75; Hillenbrand’s OPS+ as a Giant was 74.
So, we traded for a first baseman who ended up being worse than a guy who we got for free and are still complaining about. (And that’s just at the plate, not taking into account Ishikawa’s far superior defense.)
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by EliminateMe on May 29, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
The Giants are doing about as well as most people thought they would (hovering around .500). Most people, before the season started, said that if that happened and the farm system continued to progress (with the performances of guys like Posey, Bumgarner, Alderson, Crawford, Kieschnick, Neal, to a lesser extent, Noonan and Villalona, etc, it has), they’d be happy with it.
Well, it’s happening and everyone’s freaking out.
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by jponry on May 27, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<-- Not freaking out
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you’re just freaking out about Pixar. :)
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by jponry on May 27, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THEY’RE SLOWLY CONSUMING EMERYVILLE AND BERKELEY IS NEXT!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 27, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good riddance.
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by S.F. Giangst on May 28, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOOO!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 28, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
-YAH!
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
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by S.F. Giangst on May 29, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turns out
That works better when your name is posted to the left of the subject line
by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
That approach requires patience and fortitude.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could have waited awhile before signing Renteria and got a better deal. Or he could have signed Hudson and just moved Burriss to SS. That would have saved some money.
Other than that, I really can’t complain too much about what he did. The market wasn’t that great and the team is severely limited by the Zito and Rowand contracts and its budget (approx. $90M.) The consensus seems to be that those are Magowan’s fault, but Sabes has to take some blame for them. It isn’t as if Magowan told Sabean to overpay by millions.
But I basically agree with you. Those contracts will be with the team for awhile. In the meantime, the stated strategy of the team is to go with youth and sign vets to short term deals as stop-gap measures until the kids arrive. If that’s the plan, then you really can’t complain about the job Sabean is doing. He didn’t make any hasty decision or god-awful trades/signings, which is good. If he is truly building the team for the long run, which is supposedly what a lot of people want, then he really isn’t too bad a job.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with this line of thinking:
If folks are saying Sabes had a decent-to-good off-season because he didn’t handicap future seasons, then folks are also saying that it’s possible to wreck future offseasons by what you do now (or what you’ve done recently).
There are some here, myself included, who believe that Sabe’s ability to acquire a MotA bat is the result of his poor off-seasons in the recent past. Cabrera & Teixeirieaieaieia are names that we might have made a bigger push for, if we hadn’t signed Zito, et c., especially considering that those guys play positions the Giants have the most trouble filling.
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