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Let's not mix politics and baseball too much, but I want to point out that Obama's first pick for Supreme Court "saved" baseball in 1995 by ruling against the owners and ending the strike.

From 5/15 NYTs and reprinted at the Huffington Post:
After play resumed, The Philadelphia Inquirer wrote that by saving the season, Judge Sotomayor joined forever the ranks of Joe DiMaggio, Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson and Ted Williams. The Chicago Sun-Times said she "delivered a wicked fastball" to baseball owners and emerged as one of the most inspiring figures in the history of the sport.

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I was sold on her after I read that.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on May 27, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

win

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on May 27, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yo Soy Boricua Pa'Que Tu Lo Sepas

While accomplished and with an outstanding resume, Sotomayor will need to answer a few questions:

“……the court of appeals is where policy is made,”

the comment about latina women would make better choice than a white man

She has been reversed 60% by high court

Buena suerte, Sonia

by wilriv21 on May 27, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I will withhold judgement based on that one comment

As I believe it is possible for people to mis-speak.

It is troubling, however.

by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea that first one is a biggie, supposedly its not as bad when heard in the context of the entire conversation…..but is there really any context where that comment isn’t extremely concerning?

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by sam23 on May 27, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love it if the conerstaion that was takin from was this:
Sonia: True/False the court of appeals is where policy is made?
Chief Justice Roberts: True?

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on May 27, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on whether it's a statement of principal or fact.

As the clarifying qoute notes in the article, alot of policy is made in the process of court of appeals rulings, whether it “ought” to be or not. It’s a natural extension of making rulings in areas not directly addressed by existing laws.

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by Bhaakon on May 27, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that sounds like an activist judge’s interpretation of the court of appeals.

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by sam23 on May 27, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there's no such thing

as an activist judge.

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by Viliphied on May 27, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or if you rather

the definition of “activist judge” seems to be “judge who makes decisions I disagree with”

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by Viliphied on May 27, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of all the memes in modern political discourse, the idea that it’s a NEW thing for judges to overturn popular or political controversial laws is the one that confuses me the most.

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by jcb9 on May 27, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or that overturning said laws is something judges shouldn’t be doing.

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by jcb9 on May 27, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I mean, it’s kind of right there in their job description.

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by Viliphied on May 27, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the job description

Was to sit around in silly robes and argue about Roe v. Wade.

Isn’t that all the supreme court is for? Abortion?

by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

afaik

all the supreme court does is argue about killing innocent babies, taking our guns and confiscating every bible in the country.

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by Viliphied on May 27, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!

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by jcb9 on May 27, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or, in the case of Clarence Thomas, sitting around in a silly robe and watching people argue about Roe v. Wade.

(Thomas is, depending on your perspective, either famous or infamous for never speaking in Court. At one point he supposedly hadn’t said a word during proceedings for over three years)

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by jcb9 on May 27, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They made fun of him in Boston Legal for that. I think Allen bet Danny $100 he could get Thomas to say something.

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by Cookyman on May 27, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, who says a good Supreme Court judge needs to speak during proceedings? It is possible one could show that a silent judge is a bad judge, but I think it would be a mistake to assume that lack of speech on Thomas’ part means he is a bad judge. Quirky and unusual, for sure, but not necessarily bad.

by Squire_Boone on May 27, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say it did. I just think it’s funny.

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by jcb9 on May 28, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Logically, you are right – silence does not equal incompetence.
I believe that the knock on Thomas (accurate or not) is that he is incurious, doesn’t rely on evidence and argument to form his opinion and will basically vote however Scalia votes.

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by Johnny Disaster on May 28, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say not accurate. the mention of Thomas not asking question is almost universally meant to imply that he’s somehow not intellectually up to the task, which is far from the truth. he’s written a lot of very interesting and smart opinions…as have most justices.

And he doesn’t always agree with Scalia. that’s another misconception. He does a lot, they’re both rather conservative to be sure, but that doesn’t mean he’s being lazy and can’t think for himself, which is what is typically meant by the remark.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you ask most judges, they’ll tell you that they’ve made up their minds before oral argument 99.9% of the time.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

looking for justification outside the constitution in an attempt to make laws more consistent with popular or contemporary thinking isn’t judicial activism? then what do you call it? I’m not saying Judge Sotomayor is an activist judge(I know almost nothing about her record) but saying there’s no such thing as an activist judge also sounds like an excuse an activist judge or someone who doesn’t want to commit to non-outcome based objective interpretation would make.

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by sam23 on May 27, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There really isn’t any of that going on though (or at least not nearly as much as the media would have you believe). Just because their interpretation of the Constitution is different doesn’t make their justifications outside the Constitution. Neither does using extra-Constitutional factors to support the Constitutional justification or as a deciding factor where Constitutional intent is a little muddy.

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by Viliphied on May 27, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea interpretations vary, but that doesn’t mean stretching interpretations to fit desired outcomes doesn’t happen, that’s something I’d argue happens far more than the media would have you believe.

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by sam23 on May 27, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, everyone does that to some extent. That’s just reality.

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by jcb9 on May 27, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But by definition

Ones experience is going to shape their interpretation of the constitution.

That is by definition using justification outside the constitution.

There is no other way to do it.

by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously total objectivity is as unattainable as a Rawlsian “veil of ignorance,” I don’t consider unique individual interpretation of the Constitution to be judicial activism but ends based decision making disguised as interpretation (ex. Bush v. Gore and, I suspect, the New Haven firefighter case) is. Of course there isn’t really any way to prove or distinguish between background influenced interpretation and the ends based interpretation I call judicial activism, but that certainly doesn’t mean the latter doesn’t exist.

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by sam23 on May 27, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

certainly

I am in favor of X, so I will find a way to interpret the law to allow X is something I am not supporting.

But I do think a persons life experiences, and their own personal values, color their interpretation in significant ways, and that is okay.

That is why you want intelligent people as judges – those who can see all sides of an issue and detach from their own emotional knee-jerk.

by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea we agree there, but Sotomayor’s comments are concerning because they seem (again, I haven’t heard them in their natural context) to express a general acceptance or even approval of an “I am in favor of X, so I will find a way to interpret the law to allow X” form of legislating from the bench.

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by sam23 on May 27, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not what she was saying at all

The appeals court is where policy made… for lower courts within the circuit. Inevitably, laws are not written explicitly enough that it would be clear how they apply to every conceivable situation. Accordingly, people will disagree as to how the law should be interpreted or applied in some situations. It is the job of the appeals court to set guidelines (“policy”) for lower courts to use in resolving such disputes.

This is an utterly uncontroversial, really merely descriptive, statement.

by taliesin on May 27, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I feel there’s a considerable difference between “make” and “interpret.” Was it simply a poor choice of wording that doesn’t warrant this much controversy? Probably, and I definitely don’t think her statement warrants a no vote. But it is at least worth considering and I frankly find it a bit worrisome that so many are so quick to dismiss it by saying that it is a statement of fact.

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by sam23 on May 27, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Statement of Fact - from a point of view

From a point of view, the policeman pulling you over for speeding has a more direct say in traffic policy than the legislators that wrote the law in the first place.

Sotomayor’s point about “making policy” is more about the implementation stage of the policy process – filling in the blanks, adjudicating between different precedents standards and laws, adjustments to account for real world consequences of the double speak legalese our code books are full of. It fit’s with her (very public and pronounced) position that the lower courts do the grunt work – the bulk of policy making. The Supreme Court steps in and makes the big plays, but then the lower courts are again left to sort out how this new precedent mixes in with all the hoopla I listed above.

I’m pretty sure she believes that a Supreme Court Justice should rule according to their judgment and their conscious, but I don’t want to get involved in the “activist judge” discussion going on here. But her statement about courts being where “policy is made” is a statement about the policy process, not activism at the supreme court level, per se.
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by kennv on May 27, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or in short – there is an argument to be made that “interpreting” laws is more significant in determining what they mean then the “writing” and “passing” part.

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by kennv on May 27, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

bin-

go

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 28, 2009 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the problem is that it seems to be widely accepted that appellate courts are a place to make policy, which it is not. It is a place to interpret the law based on the record in front of the court. that Sotomayor seems to believe this view is what people find troubling.

now, if she had said, that she did not view it as her place to make policy from the bench, then her statement would be seen in much better light. Unfortunately, she seems to be saying that for better or worse, appellate courts make policy and she’s not going to act any differently and doesn’t have a problem with that.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interpreting the law is indistinguishable from making policy in practical terms.

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by Johnny Disaster on May 28, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how can you interpret a law without making policy?
 
It wasn’t a policy before you interpreted it, now, it is.

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on May 29, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why the current judge-appointing system needs to be amended, so that judges will also be selected according to their skills, and not just according to their political affiliation.

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:-(

by Cookyman on May 27, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We also elect a lot of judges in the United States. I think there’s only one other country in the world where that happens.

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by jcb9 on May 27, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What’s the other country?

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by Cookyman on May 28, 2009 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t remember. I heard an interview a while back about how the US’s legal process is different from other countries, and how that contributes to our really high incarceration rate, and I remember that was one of the points, but I’m not sure what the other country was – I want to say it was New Zealand or something, but I’m not sure, and Google’s not being helpful. The interview was on Fresh Air, which is a popular daily public radio interview program in the states.

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by jcb9 on May 28, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

technocracy

is hard to implement.

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 28, 2009 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of democratic countries around the world use special judge-appointing comities.

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by Cookyman on May 28, 2009 4:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes but they are not capitalists

the market, free will, socialism, blah blah.

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 29, 2009 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there’s plenty of vetting of judicial nominees, particularly at the federal level, which are all nominated by the President, approved by the Senate and appointed by the President.

States have their own variations on that basic structure. In California, some are appointed by the gov and other elected straight up and then there are retention elections. It’s an odd system, to be sure.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well obviously the President does his HW when it comes to appointing judges (though I doubt that all Congress members do), but the fact is that federal courts are the place where policy is made, at least to some degree, and regardless of whether or not that should be the case, the President knows that. It would be hard even for the most honest of presidents to not just appoint the judge who will make his kind of policies.

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by Cookyman on May 28, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this

The only reason you don’t hear about ‘judicial activism’ from ultra-conservative judges is because the left/liberal/whatever don’t have a catchy phrase that they drumbeat over and over again like their right/conservative/whatever brethren – doesn’t mean the perception of ‘activism’ isn’t happening on all sides.

(And really, 9 times out of 10 ‘judicial activists’ are judges who made a decision that the accuser isn’t fond of. It’s why some judges are called ‘activists’ for one case but deemed a-okay otherwise. Case in point – CA Supreme Court. Don’t really hear much about how they’re judicial activists now that Prop 8 has been upheld, though it was a VERY popular theme after the Marriage Cases ruling.)

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by GiantsFanInExile on May 27, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put

The right is very skilled with catch phrases and associating negative connotations with otherwise impartial descriptive words.

Like Liberal.

by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like to use that term liberal for leftists, though it obviously has taken on a distinct meaning in American politics meaning some quite different from its classical meaning.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only reason you don’t hear about ‘judicial activism’ from ultra-conservative judges is because the left/liberal/whatever don’t have a catchy phrase that they drumbeat over and over again like their right/conservative/whatever brethren – doesn’t mean the perception of ‘activism’ isn’t happening on all sides.

Nobody said it wasn’t happening on both sides, Bush v. Gore is the clearest example of judicial activism in recent years. I’m certainly not picking sides here, but because the right tends to side with the status quo its natural you would hear more concerns about policy changing activism voiced from their side.

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by sam23 on May 27, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Thomas is the most “activist” judge if you consider it activist to throw out laws.

In terms of likelihood of overturning regulations, Scalia is the most activist.

So it appears that conservatives may complain about judicial activism more, but they’re also the ones who do it more.

by taliesin on May 27, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

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by GiantsFanInExile on May 27, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO!!!! The OTHER side is evil and full of HYPOCRISY, not ours!!!! I’m not trying to stir up a partisan debate, if it makes you feel better you “win.”

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by sam23 on May 27, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

overturning a law or regulation doesn’t mean it is an activist decision. Upholding a law or regulation doesn’t mean it either. It all depends on the context of the case and the court’s rationale. People misuse the term to mean a result they don’t like, but a lot of observers are more precise. Unfortunately, it gets used this way far too often and has become political shorthand to mean decision we don’t like. In that respect, the term has lost it’s true meaning.

For example, If a city passed an ordinance saying that the police could arrest you for writing on this website that the Giants should fire Sabean and the court overturned the law as a violation of the First Amendment, would that be an activist decision? I don’t think so. If the court upheld the decision and held that the first amendment doesn’t apply to internet speech would be an activist decision.

Decisions are activist if the Court goes beyond the bounds of the law or role of the court in reaching its decision. A lot of decisions in which new rights, which aren’t written into the text of our constitution (state or federal) are found are typically called activist for this reason. Like where in the Constitution does it say that the police have to inform you of your rights to counsel and silence before questioning you after they’ve arrested you? Nowhere. But the court said it was a right in Miranda.

But I do agree that conservatives complain more about judicial activism than leftists do. Conservatives tend to focus more on the process and reasoning of the court than the result than the left does. judges are typically unaccountable to the electorate and if they get to much power and abuse it, there’s little recourse in the public. If the Court is wrong on matters of US Constitution it takes an amendment to overturn it, which is more difficult than if our elected politicians are wrong. There’s simply much less recourse.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

affirming the rationale of an activist ruling is still activist.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve always wondered.
In what clause of the constitution does it say that the constitution should be read literally?

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by oldjacket on May 29, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a little revisionist history

I would disagree with this. How many times during the Bush years were his judicial nominees labeled “extremist” by leftists? A ton. More than enough for a drumbeat. How about the phrase “turn back the clock” on such and such rights that the left liked? Again, a drumbeat.

Certainly, the political right used “judicial activism” to its advantage, but that doesn’t mean leftists didn’t engage in the same type of language usage.

Overall, I’d argue that the left is far more adept at that kind of thing than the right when it comes to politics.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pick up Geoffrey Nunberg’s book, Talking Right: How Conservatives Turned Liberalism into a Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Freak Show.

It is a great overview on how effective conservatives have been in using language to stay on message and frame certain issues over the last 20+ years, and how ineffective liberals have been in doing the same. I’m not arguing that liberals don’t have their own silly names for certain judges, but I definitely do argue that “judicial activist” has way more cultural cache due to rigorous usage on the right than “extremist” has on the left. (Same with “death tax,” etc.)

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by GiantsFanInExile on May 28, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

don’t forget the New Haven firefighter case, I’m not familiar with the details about that one, but it should raise some tough questions.

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by sam23 on May 27, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that’s a bad one. In the case, 19 white and 1 Hispanic firefighters had passed a qualifying exam for promotions and zero African-Americans had passed it. The city, fearing the political and legal repercussions of the results, threw them out and denied everyone a promotion. By all accounts, there was nothing biased with the test, which had been thoroughly vetted, but the results weren’t politically correct, so they were tossed.

Sotomayor was a judge on the 3 judge panel that reviewed the trial court’s summary judgment ruling in favor of the city. After the panel upheld the trial court’s ruling without publishing much of an opinion, The district court had issued a 48-page opinion and on appeal the parties submitted briefs of eighty-six pages each and a six-volume joint appendix of over 1,800 pages. The Court had affirmed the District Court’s ruling in a summary order containing a single substantive paragraph.

Her conduct in the case received a rebuke by another Clinton appointee, Judge José Cabranes, who wrote:

This per curiam opinion adopted in toto the reasoning of the District Court, without further elaboration or substantive comment, and thereby converted a lengthy, unpublished district court opinion, grappling with significant constitutional and statutory claims of first impression, into the law of this Circuit. It did so, moreover, in an opinion that lacks a clear statement of either the claims raised by the plaintiffs or the issues on appeal. Indeed, the opinion contains no reference whatsoever to the constitutional claims at he core of this case, and a casual reader of the opinion could be excused for wondering whether a learning disability played at least as much a role in this case as the alleged racial discrimination.

The case was argued to the SCOTUS this term, and the opinion has yet to be released, though it will be soon. it wouldn’t be surprising to see it reversed in a 5-4 decision.

In legal circles, her behavior was, at best, curious and at worst, impeachable. we don’t know all that went on behind the scenes in the case, but her actions and motivations certainly are worth further investigation, particularly because of her nomination to the Supreme Court. She’s been accused of letting her biases interfere with her role as neutral arbiter in this case – i.e., she was accused of trying to bury the case. If true, she shouldn’t be confirmed.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 27, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The district court had issued a 48-page opinion and on appeal the parties submitted briefs of eighty-six pages each and a six-volume joint appendix of over 1,800 pages.

Sounds like the appeals court said “tl; dr”

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by SF Pete on May 27, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Impeachable?

What crime did she allegedly commit? Did she conspire with the two other judges on the panel, who evidently share her “biases”?

Most people evidently do not understand the legal issue in the New Haven case. The firefighters’ test was thrown out because the city believed that if it used the results it could be sued under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Why? Because a test that no minorities pass is, under the law, assumed to be biased. (The theory being that racists could design tests that appear neutral but really are purpose-built to exclude minorities.) Both the trial court and the appeals court agreed with the city.

It’s interesting that this is the case that conservatives keep bringing up as an example of Sotomayer being an “activist judge” when in fact she (and the other judges on the panel) really did just follow the law and established SC precedent.

It may be that Title VII needs to be thrown out, but wouldn’t that be “judicial activism”?

by taliesin on May 27, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you really surprised the far right (formerly called themselves NeoCons) are going after a Equal Right decision?

 At the moment they realize their whole anti gay marriage ( at all costs) plank can be over turned on this bunch of these rulings and ( because they have no new ideas and have not for a while) they are hoping someone on the left will put both of their feet in their mouth giving that far right (formerly called NeoCons) faction a plank to rile against with having to bother to think enough to produce a plank item of their own.

Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on May 28, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NeoCons are former leftists turned to the right. that’s where the term came from. Politically, they’re not considered to be on the far right, except for maybe in foreign policy but not on gay marriage.

I formerly thought that neocons were conservatives who glowed in the dark, but it turns out I was wrong.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only!

That’d make them easier to shoot.

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by EliminateMe on May 28, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well domestic social issues they tend to champion/ fellow travel with.

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by daveinexile on May 29, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

reply failure. try again

I think in this case you are confusing the old "Regan Democrats". Some factions like to called them Blue Dogs and there were other labels as well. NeoCon social policy has been amazingly "communist" when it comes to their pet social issues. Currently gay marriage but look at how they refused anything to do with states’ rights when left on there own a state make a choice counter to their plank to drug war (i.e.medical weed or meth) or border issues when the Federal Government has abdicated it’s role.

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by daveinexile on May 29, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not an expert in EEO law, but my boss is (he helped write the uniform guidelines for this kind of stuff). When he reviewed the case with the rest of the company he didn’t express any outrage at her crazy opinion or anything. He said that he honestly wasn’t sure how he would have ruled on it (and this about 3 months ago, before anyone had any idea she was going to the Supreme Court).

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on May 28, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

She’s been mentioned as a possible SCOTUS nominee since the Clinton years and certainly since Obama won the election.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

high crimes and misdemeanors

maybe impeachable is a stretch, but if the judge was trying to bury the claims of those firefighters because their claims didn’t match her biases, that certainly raises questions about her objectivity and fitness as a judge. How could anyone feel that they were getting a fair shake in her courtroom if that’s how she acts when she doesn’t like your case? By all accounts, she’s big into racial identity politics. Did that play a factor in her actions? We need to know before putting her on the SCOTUS.

Anyway, I am trying to be fair. I said her actions in the case need to be brought under the microscope to determine what happened because rubberstamping a lower court ruling in a case of first impression is odd.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is really, really off the mark.

How is she trying to “bury” their claims? She just ruled against them, as is her purview as a judge. And one of the plaintiffs was Hispanic, so how is that supposed to factor in to supposedly deeply racist outlook on life.

Disagreeing with decision is fine (Title VII is less than clear on the matter), but acting like it was a crazy decision just shows, frankly, that you don’t know anything about EEO law.

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on May 29, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: #1 : She is just being open and out front with it. The far right as been trying to do the same for a longtime as well. I am not saying I like the fact things are this way but it is what it is. If anything it points to needing to look at ways to buffer the judicial (and justice Dept) from the executive branch better.

RE #2: That bothers me more just because it shows an extreme intellectual laziness or flagrant insult of the listener’s intellect. Either is bad.

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by daveinexile on May 27, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Number two doesn’t bother me that much. I, being a white male, tend to agree with her.

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by say hey nation on May 27, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A politician or a media talking head using a sophist trick in a public forum is one thing. From judges I expect a bit more use of the intellect. To me it is like batting Dunn 4th then telling him to bunt with runners on 2nd and 3rd while there are no outs.

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by daveinexile on May 27, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"……the court of appeals is where policy is made,"

This is an acknowledgment of fact – Congress makes the law and the judiciary interprets it. Functionally, the courts must set policy where there is ambiguity in the law.

the comment about latina women would make better choice than a white man

Not familiar with this quote, but politically for the Democrats, this also is a statement of fact. Latinos are the fastest growing segment of voters and getting the obstructionists in Congress to alienate them from the Republican Party is like a Democratic Holy Grail for the elections in 2010 and 2012.
She has been reversed 60% by high court

The Supreme Court primarily takes cases it wants to reverse – they affirm less than half of the cases they actually hear.

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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Latinos migrating to the Democratic party

Obama was helped a lot by this in Western states.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 27, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“……the court of appeals is where policy is made,”

To expand on point one – the context of the quote is missing, in that she was comparing the differences between trial courts and appeals courts. In trial courts, the decisions affect a single case or individual whereas an appeals decision sets or reaffirms precedence for all like cases; this ruling is then used for multiple cases and becomes – drum roll please – policy for future decisions. She is not talking about “legislating from the bench” in any way, shape or form, but rather how appeals court decisions can be used by judges in the future to guide decisions down the line. It is recognized as a very benign comment amongst legal scholars.

the comment about latina women would make better choice than a white man

Again, a lot of context missing. It appears after listening to the whole comment – and not just the excerpted quote – she was saying that anyone with similar life experiences to those being referenced in the court cases before them will make a better decision than someone who has not. (Street smarts + book smarts beats book smarts only.) Hardly radical, but her “error” – if any – was including racial designations in place of life experience vs. no life experience. Seems more ‘foot in mouth’ than a racist’s belief of inherent superiority.

She has been reversed 60% by high court

Small sample size and SCOTUS reverses 75% of the cases before them so her miniscule record is actually above average.

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by GiantsFanInExile on May 27, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa

Epic block quote fail!

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by GiantsFanInExile on May 27, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this

Makes me feel better.

Still a little put-off by the firefighter case, but it’s hard to know without the details.

by FairweatherFan on May 27, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

see taliesin’s comment above.

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by kennv on May 27, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point on SCOTUS and reversals. I was gonna say something like that , but didn’t have the numbers. If the court agrees with the lower courts ruling, they normally let the ruling stand. Why hear a case if you already agree with the ruling? The Supreme Court is a busy place as it is.

And most of her comments about latina women and white men, or life experiences,etc, where given in the same speech to Latinas in the legal profession or considering it. Of course she is going to talk about, and simply by addressing the topic was going to give people an angle to dig on her later. Doesn’t seem like big shakes to me.

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by kennv on May 27, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I would be very disappointed if a white male made a similar statement

by wilriv21 on May 27, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, that’s the problem with empowerment seminars. Empowering women, Latino/as, African Americans is okay, if sometimes condescending. But can you imagine a seminar explicitly for “young white males”, that told them “You can be something special! You are better than all the rest!” in today’s America?

In effect what she was telling those young ladies was that they could be as good as any man, and if they worked harder than the man, and brought more varied experiences, then they would have better judgment than an inexperienced, un practiced white dude. I believe the proper phrasing is " that you can be better than anyone, if you work hard blah blah…", not "you can be better than a white guy, if you … "

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by kennv on May 27, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The white man making that statement would be labeled a racist by many people.

 I am the same nationality as Ms Sotomayor and very proud of her accomplishments. She is going to have to explain some prior actions and statements.

Wish her the best.

by wilriv21 on May 27, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is all about Politics

because if it had to do about being Latino why did the Democrats quash Miguel Estrada? Estrada argued 15 cases before the Supremes and won 10 of the cases

by wilriv21 on May 27, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And one of those cases...

was Bush v. Gore. Gee, I can’t imagine why the Democrats wouldn’t want to put that guy on the DC Court!

Really the issue with Estrada was that he was a cipher. Many liberals suspected that he was an extreme, Robert Bork type, but since he’d never been a judge he had no opinions that anyone could read. Therefore the “extremist” charge was not falsifiable. The Dems tried to get the Bush Solicitor General’s office to hand over the briefs he’d written while he was there, but frankly I don’t think anyone thought that was at all likely to happen.

by taliesin on May 27, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they still could have given him a vote.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

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by Johnny Disaster on May 28, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was mistreated in the worst possible way

the Democrats didn’t want the GOP to nominate a young bright accomplished Latino to high court. They don’t want Bush getting any credit among Latinos/Hispanics. they also tend to view conservative minorities with more vitriol – because they’re sellouts and all.

They also viewed him as a potential SCOTUS nominee. They wanted to block him early because it would have been much more difficult to block him later on. They regretted not blocking Clarence Thomas when he was nominated to the DC Circuit, which made it more difficult (not that they didn’t try) to block his SCOTUS nomination. They didn’t want to miss that opportunity with Estrada. They had the same view of Rogers-Brown and Priscila Owen, though to a lesser extent.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 28, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read that there is a 75% reversal rate on all cases reviewed by the Supreme Court… so?

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on May 27, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is correct.

Also, the 60% figure for Sotomayor is based on a whopping six decisions she’s made that the Supreme Court has ruled on.

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by jcb9 on May 27, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love it when SBN autoformats my text into an image that DOESN’T EXIST.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
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by jcb9 on May 27, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, no

It’s five decisions, not six.

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by jcb9 on May 27, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so she’s batting .400? But with a gazillion IBB.

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by kennv on May 27, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

She's a Yankee fan

nuff said.

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by ResDog on May 27, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I seem to recall that Scalia is, too. THAT’ll be interesting!

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by jcb9 on May 27, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which strongly implies Thomas is also a Yankees fan…

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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Breyer is from San Francisco. Perhaps he’s a Giants fan?

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by Scottsdale on May 27, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think so

Breyer left SF before the Giants came here; he supposedly was a Seals fan. He lives in New England and was honored at Fenway in 2006, but says he isn’t personally a Red Sox fan (though he hopes his daughter will become one).

by taliesin on May 27, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

STEINBRENNER IS PACKING THE COURT!!!

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by EliminateMe on May 27, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is the sort of commentary I was hoping for when I made the fanshot.

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by kennv on May 27, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn’t expect all the intellectual discussions?

by SFGuy on May 29, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least she was born in the Bronx, and is not some bandwagoner from Mississippi who roots for the Yankees because she fell in love with Cap’n Jetes’s calm eyes…

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by GiantsFanInExile on May 27, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

US SENATE BRASSS!!!111

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by rotorueter on May 27, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the only comment in the entire thread that made me LOL. I love it when even off-topic threads on politics and judiciary circle back to well-worn McCoven memes.

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by Kitspool on May 28, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Third female supreme court justice

AT BEST!

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by EliminateMe on May 28, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might care if any if this mattered.

by Lars The Wanderer on May 28, 2009 8:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

true

can we get back to some Nick Johnson/Dan Uggla rosterbation please?

Thing A

by sam23 on May 28, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why steal an uggly Johnson?

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by daveinexile on May 28, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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