Post-Game Recap -- Giants/Mariners
by Grant Brisbee on May 24, 2009 3:39 PM PDT
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PrintI'm proud of the Giants for:
- getting multiple hits off Felix Hernandez, who is clearly the third wheel in a rotation that also features Jason Vargas and Garrett Olsen.
- scoring four runs, which is what a really bad offensive team should average. Hey, it's a step up from historically bad.
- having the tying run in scoring position in the ninth inning
Overall, it was just a poor offensive performance. That, combined with a below-average performance from Barry Zito, led to a loss. But it doesn't feel so awful, does it? I'm starting to rate the losses on a different scale. This one...peaty, with a hit of anise...strong nose...but not bad. A couple of ill-timed homers combined with four runs scored? That's the best loss of the past three weeks.
/whistles as he walks away, satisfied with simple dejection, which is much better than utter, soul-defenestrating dejection
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I would feel much better about this one except for all the renewed “TRADE CAIN” talk…. for pity’s sake, people. He even gets WINZ now… what the hell do you want from the guy before you recognize that a 24 year old upper echelon starter with superb stuff and a build like a draught horse might be worth hanging onto?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 24, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions
“Trade Cain” talk on McCovey Chronicles is not going to get Matt Cain traded. I wouldn’t worry about it. The article said they were “putting out feelers.” Nothing could be more preliminary than that. They just want to see if they can get an elite superstar for him. They can’t, so I doubt anything will come of this.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
I love The Mule
and bet Nolan Ryan does too. Would do my best to pry Elvis away from Texas. Wouldn’t it be ironic Elvis would be traded for a kid from Memphis?
you would trade Matt Cain for Elvis Andrus? Is he a relative of yours of something? Not only would that put a major hole in the rotation, but Andrus wouldn’t even be an offensive upgrade over Edgar Renteria. How would that trade solve our problems?
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
Not straight up
Pieces my friend. Elvis is on the way to winning GGs and will hit very well as he ages. Texas has a very deep farm system with many a pieces. Also has some pieces at the ML level
and will hit very well as he ages.
Speculation.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is neither here nor there as it relates to how he will hit as he ages.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
.254/.284/.380 away from Arlington.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering those numbers, I would say there are acres of room.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I know you can’t assume your own prospects will be future stars, but I’d like to see Brandon Crawford first before I trade a good young pitcher who has already proven himself in the majors for a kid shortstop.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
a corner infielder would make more sense for both clubs.
Cain is a pretty flyball orientated pitcher, Texas might want to think twice about putting him in that ballpark.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Why isnt the need to get more production from the OFers a concern? Everyone mentions we need infielders yet the OF gets a pass. Especially since there are few OF options in the minors at this time.
I agree with this. We need slugging from wherever we can get it.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Andrus is a SS, though. And not really a power threat.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Fact
I just love this kid and SS is an extremely important position. Believe this kid can be a GG and an All-star whith a few years. Texas has a deep farm system and has some players at ML level worth exploring
He’s definitely been very impressive so far, but where is his power coming from? Dude slugged .367 in AA last year, .343 in A+ the year before. Now he’s slugging .450 in the majors. Obviously he’s young and still growing, but he’s added almost 100 points of slugging while jumping from AA to the majors. That’s crazy. Let’s see if he’s slugging over .400 by the end of the year. Then we’ll talk.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
he came over from the islands eating rice and mangos (send any hate mail to: grant@sbnation.com) now the kid is growing up and eating Big Macs.
The 18yr old skinny kid is now a bigger 20yr old man soon to be a 22yr old bigger,stronger man
Or maybe he just had a fluky 120 AB’s (did you know Rickie Weeks is slugging .517 through 150 AB’s?). Maybe not. Neither of us can tell right now (though I do think the odds of it being a fluke are pretty high). I think it’s better to wait and see if he can keep it up for a whole season before we start talking about trading guys like Matt Cain for him.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
He can leap tall buildings .....
and that is only talking offense. He is a great defender with plenty of room in the cupboard for his soon to be GGs. And he can fly like the wind.
That’s great, but if he goes back to slugging .350, he’s a rich man’s Emanuel Burriss. I get the you love him and all, but right now he’s way too big a risk for us to trade one of our best players for. Once/if he convinces me that he’s got at least league average power, then I’ll seriously consider the deal.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
Not straight up deal. For pieces and he is one of the pieces. Texas has one if not the best one farm system plus ML talent to tap.
SS is such an important position for an organization to fill. Not enamored by any organizational SS (maybe Adrianza). Another position the organization should target is CF. Colby Rasmus? Josh Hamilton?
Assuming one of those pieces isn’t Smoak or some other elite prospect (I don’t know too much about their farm system), I’m going to have to say talk to me in the off season
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
Because our OFers are doing well? Lewis, Rowand, and Winn are hitting a collective .277/.351 /.427.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
we could use it more in the infield.
Replacing what we’ve got in the outfield = marginal improvement.
Replacing what we’ve got on the right side of the infield = HUGE improvement.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
X Factor
Depends on what the replacement does. Also there may be more OFers available at a lesser cost than infielders.
to wit, finding a guy who is going to be as big an improvement over Fred Lewis as, say, Nick Johnson is over Travis Ishikawa is going to be tough.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
or someone like him.
sure! provided we’re not blowing up 2010 and 2011 for a slightly better record when we finish second this year.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
If the Nats trade Johnson for a reliever, they’re crazy.
But crazy is a possibility.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
I think they wanted Delcarmen from Boston. So they are looking for a reliever.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Kurkjian
Kurkjian mentioned Valdez, Wilson and Sanchez. Don’t know what that means.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
I don’t think I’d do Sanchez. The other two guys, I’d think about.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
TNWSS
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by Natto on May 24, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey
Chicks dig the mullet.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
but probably not the bug-eyes and whole face blink.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
I guess they’re aiming for watchability, rather than the playoffs.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Who was that Reds GM that traded 1/3 of the lineup for two middle relievers?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
maybe not
but i’d like to think if he was more of a fan favorite (here and elsewhere) the organization might think twice before dealing him away (which they should, anyway, because he’s really VERY good).
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 24, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It depends on the return. IMO, anyone is tradeable.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
but
when we can reasonably speculate that the Giants won’t GET that kind of return that would make it worthwhile, then I think it’s fair to argue against it.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 24, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I also think it’s fair to see what he is worth. In fact, I think it is a pretty good move to see if someone is willing to overpay.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 24, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m fine with it if that’s all it is. By that logic, we should be listening to offers on Lincecum (which I’m also fine with, in theory). I just think the way it’s being reported makes it sound like more than this.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 24, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Bengie slumpwatch...
2-for-27; not a good time for Pablo to come up injured
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
perplexed
grant’s right…this feels like a “normal” loss. and after repeated kicks to the nuts, this feels like a sick social experiment where this team has conditioned me to actually feel better about the underwhelming performance.
I disagree
We just had a 1-5 road trip, and every loss was by one run. If that’s not frustrating, I don’t know what is. Zito wasn’t terrible today, but they rallied for him and got three straight clutch two out RBI hits, and he couldn’t get out there fast enough to give it back. One day after Sabean says Guzman is going to play more, Ishi gets the start and totally stinks it up once again. And against David Aardsma in the ninth, lay the fuck off of the high fastball, idiots!! I don’t feel any better about this loss than the others, except for the Brian Wilson debacle.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
This seems to happen all too often...
Does Fangraphs have a stat for the number of times either the manager or the GM says " (so-and-so) is going to play more", and then we don’t see so-and-so for the next three weeks?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
a loss is a loss is a loss
but the “better feeling” (relatively, mind you) stems from watching a one-run loss in which I didn’t have to witness the giants leave runner after runner at 2nd or 3rd (with less than one out).
The whole padres series was brutal because one could account for 3 or 4 runs PER GAME that they left on the bases. To lose each individual game by one is soul-sucking.
I'd like to know
how one goes about pushing one’s soul out of a window.
Anagram of "knowing how to win" = WOW, I KNOW NOTHING
by Stuttering John Tamargo on May 24, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions
I like Fred Lewis
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
much more fun to watch than
strike out producing Fred Lewis. or even Unearned Run Producing Fred Lewis
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
Giants lose. I hurt my right wrist playing softball. All in all, a good day.
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It's cool
I rubbed some dirt on it. At least, I think some residual dirt fell on it as I tumbled on the ground.
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OT: Memorial Day Giants Game
We’re driving in tomorrow for the game. Any tips on parking – for a holiday/weekday/day game would be much appreciated.
Also: any suggestions on an underappreciated food choices near the Arcade?
I would suggest parking in your garage, and leaving the TV off while Javier Vasquez shuts our boys down
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McCC = McClain Chronicles
by Useful_Idiot on May 24, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Theres a really nice parking lot under the Bay Bridge on Second Street. 8 dollar all day parking. I love it.
by CaliforniaBone on May 24, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t eat at the ballpark. Pack a lunch or go to Quiznos a half block from the ballpark. Buy beer if you need to but don’t buy food at the park.
Due to distance and our crazy schedules we can only make, perhaps, 4 games a year. (Stupid FAUX & Saturday day games!!!) So when we go, we consider it a mini vacation and like to have the full ball park experience. I doubt we spend more than $40 for food, we bring our own water, and there are usually leftovers to bring home.
As far as the parking, we usually park at Orinda Bart for free, and take the train in to the Montgomery Station (much easier than Embarcadero).Up and out , and a short walk down Third St.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
Perhaps not soul-defenestrating... but it definitely dangled my soul out the window and held it by its double-stitched pants
(a la ‘The Hudsucker Proxy’… what? You kids don’t do ‘The Hudsucker Proxy’? Only ‘The Big Lebowski’? Sigh.)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
I can also make Hudsucker Proxy references
You know…for kids!
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OH EM GEE YOU GUYS BARRY ZITO IS MUCH CUTER GIVNG UP HOME RUNS IN PERSON!!! HEARTS AND EXCLAMATIONS!!!!!
This was the first time I have seen the Giants in person in ten damn years (seeing as anytime I am in SF they’re out of town…or so they SAY), and even though it’s a five hour round-trip to Seattle, I had “fun”, in that the game was short and Safeco is a nice-looking, laid back yard. Being a baseball fan in a city (Portland) that is large enough to be a Major League city, but is too inept to even build a Triple-A stadium, much less land/lure an MLB franchise is, for the most part, disheartening, and you forget how awesome it is to just be able to go to a real god damned Major League baseball game without it being a pain in the ass. So this was lotsa fun to see the team I grew up rooting for in some dumb American League city, even if the outcome was less than ideal.
Also it was lotsa fun looking up and seeing Sabes in the press booth pounding his fist and flailing about like a cartoon Kruschev in the U.N. I think I wanna be friends with that crazy guy!
Tough weekend
I was out of town for the weekend, but man, when I left it was I HATE BRIAN WILSON and now it’s TRADE CAIN 4 HARDY. What the hell happened?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 24, 2009 9:23 PM PDT reply actions
I still don’t like Brian Wilson!
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Thank god i missed the game
AT LEAST WE DIDNT GET WALKED OFF ON.
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
Ha
Monday’s Braves starter, Javier Vazquez, is a career 5-6 vs. the Giants. His last start was on April 20, 2005 with Arizona when the Diamondbacks beat the Giants….2-1.
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