Deadline Deal Possibilities
by backtocali on May 18, 2009 8:55 PM PDT
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PrintIf the Giants can stay as close as they are now to the Dodgers, by the end of July, they could trade Tim Alderson for a much needed bat.
I don't think there will be a ton of guys with season altering skill available, but a nice piece or two could be obtained in the right deal.
There are probably 4 teams in the American League (Tampa Bay, Chicago, Seattle and Oakland) who might be willing to unload an offensive weapon for Alderson.
The Rays might be tempted to give up Carl Crawford, and maybe even SS prospect Reid Brignac for Alderson and a mid range prospect. The problem here is that the Rays have even more pitching talent in the minor leagues than the Giants do. Brignac has fallen out of favor with the Rays, and with Tim Beckham a few years off and Jason Bartlett doing an adequte job, he may be a nice player to pick up to take over when Edgar Renteria's contract expires. Carl Crawford has a contract with a club option for 2010 that would increase his salary to $11.5 million, which might be a little too rich for the Rays. He still has some pop in his bat and is still very fast on the bases. Could you imaging what it would do to the Giants offense if he were hitting in front of Pablo Sandoval?
The White Sox have a few veteran power hitters that they would relinquish perhaps for Alderson. The only one that would be of any use to the Giants would be Jermaine Dye or Paul Konerko. Konerko is the younger of the 2 and his contract expires at the end of the year. At best he could provide a very nice clean up bat, that would allow Molina to drop a spot in the lineup, and at worst, he is perhaps a Type A Free Agent, and you get a sandwich pick in the 2010 draft for his services.
The Seattle possibility is the most far fetched and most unlikely, but if the Mariners went for it, the Giants would get one of the best lead off hitters in the game. Yes, I am talking about Ichiro. Jack Zduriencik would love to unload Ichiro's $17 million salary for the next 3 years in return for Alderson. The Mariners might actually throw in a prospect just for taking the massive salary off of their hands. Ichiro could move back to RF and provide a great spark at the top of the lineup. The guy will always hit.
The last possibility could be Matt Holliday from the A's. The A's will love to pull off a patented Billy Beane move and dump the high paid veteran for a prospect or two to a team that needs a big bat in the lineup for the stretch run.
All four of the possibilities only would exist if the contra team is out of the playoffs in the middle of June, and it only works if the Giants have a shot at making a run at the playoffs.
In each case, the player obtained would play their outfield spot whichever that may be LF or RF, Fred Lewis moves to the opposite outfield spot, and Randy Winn becomes the 4th OF, PH.
Tim Alderson is probably the most expendable of all of the Giants hot prospects.
Does anyone else agree? Would you do any of these deals? What would it take in exchange for Alderson if not?
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Neither of those players are worth Sanchez, let alone Alderson. I would take Carl Crawford and Brignac for Alderson. That is the only one I like
by Michael Uhlhorn on May 18, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Crawford and Brignac for Alderson? At least we’d find out how fast Andrew Friedman can hang up a phone.
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by Michael Uhlhorn on May 19, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahh
My bad. I didn’t really read the whole thing.
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As good as Crawford and Ichiro are, I have a feeling they arent going anywhere, and arent really what the Giants need anyway
Alderson is hardly expendable. I would rather go after a bat that didnt require a top 10 prospect like a Nick Johnson or Adam Laroche.
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This is definitely not Howry do it!
1st off
I’d rather not try to acquire 1) old players. 2) young players whose contracts hit this season. Crawford/Brignac might be nice but. a) the Rays aren’t going to do that. and b) SS is not the position we need most IMO. My guess is that at least one of Sharlon Shoop, Ehrie Adrianza, or Brandon Crawford (I want Crawford!!!) will become our SS of the future in 2011.
Also, I’d really really really rather that we don’t trade Alderson (Lincecum, Bumgarner, Cain, Alderson, Matzek? Wheeler? Sanchez? Zito? in a few years
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You really think one of those three will be our SS? Out of the 3, Crawford seems the most plausible but there are legit concerns he won’t make contact at higher levels.
Alderson
That’s kind of my point though. If your rotation going forward is Lincecum, Bumgarner, Cain, Sanchez, Zito, then there is no where for Alderson to go.
Let’s face it, no one is going to want any part of Zito’s contract. He is in SF until that contract ends. Luckly, he seems like he is starting to turn things around, so its not as burdensome as we might have thought a year ago.
But then you are still left with a ptiching glut (kind of like what the Rays have now) and the Giants definitely need offense. One trade that I thought would have been nice for both sides last year was a Corey Hart for Jonathan Sanchez trade straight up. The only issue with that is that the G’s are still left without a pure power hitting clean up guy.
Brignac is a much higher ceiling player than Shoop, Adrianza or Crawford, I just added him as a nice extra to the deal who has fallen out of favor with his team and might be obtained cheaply.
We should wait to have that problem before we deal with it.
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come on! you can’t have 6 guys in your organization with the potential of being starting pitchers in 2 years!
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 19, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
…and in a couple of years, we will need to deal with that problem.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
A) You are assuming that all of our pitching prospects (Alderson, Bumgarner) and projects (Sanchez) will be above-average major league pitchers in that time. That’s silly.
B) Even if they are good, we’ll be able to get more in trades for them in two years than we will now.
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Exactly. Which is why we’ll need to deal with it when/if it actually is a problem a couple years down the line… wait, I thought I was agreeing with you…
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh whoops, I thought you were the one who wrote backtocali’s post.
Never mind.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
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This team does not need a rent-a-player. This team needs to be moving older players for fringy younger players that are blocked or that other teams have given up on but might be serviceable.
So, if Alderson were to be moved, he’d better be bringing some stellar position player prospect in return.
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by natteringnabob on May 18, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
more of this
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Alderson and Zito (with some of the contract) for Lance Berkman
Justin Miller: More ink'd than an octopus on PCP.
I'd do that
If (some of the contract) = most of the contract
Brandon Crawford: Your 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
I might possibly do that
depending on how much dinero we’d have to pony up for Zito.
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If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Berkman hates SF and He’s the face of that franchise anyway. None chance.
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This is definitely not Howry do it!
Oh yeah, no doubt. This is fantasy land though, right? :D
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
He wrote it on the Giants side, meaning it’s their cash. So don’t you mean “If (some of the contract) = very little of the contract”?
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by achiappanza on May 18, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If Giants Brass™ is in the mood to eat a lot of crow err... I mean contract I would rather they be looking at Rowand.
That way get a truly good defending center fielder – if one is available- and cycle through the Lewis, Nate & Bowker crowd and see if we get constant OBP and SLG from the corners or if a corner outfielder SLG (probably LF) becomes available he could be plugged right in.
In essence I can live with an Albatross absorbing innings on a 11-13 man staff a lot better than an Albatross in a 4-5 man outfield.
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
This team is not likely enough to make the playoffs, even with any of those guys you mentioned, to part with Alderson.
No.
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If you want to talk about deadline deals you should be talking about veterans we could sell off for prospects. There is no way this team is a real contender in July that could be significantly helped by a trade.
I think you have the right idea with Reid Brignac. The Rays are very happy with Jason Bartlett at SS and might be inclined to sign him to a long term contract and trade Brignac for some immediate help. I’m not sure if we have much that the Rays need, maybe Molina as an upgrade over Dionner Navarro, maybe some bullpen help, and we could throw in a decent prospect.
Who might be interested in Molina at the deadline and how could we match up with them in a trade?
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 18, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions
Off the top of my head
The Phillies, Rays, Brewers, Tigers and Mets could all really use an upgrade at catcher. I’m not really sure what we could get for Molina, but I like the way you think.
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You can add the Red Sox and Yankees to that list.
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Players that can net some prospects
Jeremey Affeldt – He could probably net us some sweet prospects at the deadline
Bengie Molina – If we completely fall off the map, I’d trade him. If not, I’d just offer him arbitration in FA
Randy Johnson – He’s not going to be as bad as his numbers indicated. He could probably help a playoff team looking to shore up the back end of it’s rotation. We could probably get some good prospects depending on how fast he improves
Randy Winn – Same as Molina
Are there any likely playoff teams that need an outfielder bad enough to go after Randy Winn of all people?
by thethrillisgone on May 18, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He'd be an upgrade over daniel murphy for the mets
The royals could also probably use him. I don’t know why a team WOULDN’T want Winn. He’s a plus defender that can play right or center and he’s a pretty good hitter
you took the words right out of my keyboard
the Mets could use an OF, and “could use” might turn into utter desperation if Delgado is out longer forcing Murphy to 1B, and Sheffield doesn’t work out defensively and/or Ryan Church doesn’t work out.
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 18, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
"could use" might turn into utter desperation if Delgado is out longerYou mean like this ?
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I meant longer than the 2 months they are expecting from this surgery.
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 18, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Ramon Martinez was called up from Triple-A Buffalo
I hope he’s bringing his LEADERSHHIP
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by natteringnabob on May 18, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching the Mets-Dodgers game on SNY, Gary Cohen mentioned Martinez was up one day and he was giving Carlos Beltran direction on what to do when the Mets went to a 5 man infield alignment during that 11th inning Monday night.
It really pissed me off that the Mets waited until after our series to start playing like a bunch of little leaguers. If that performance had happened against any team other than LA, it would’ve been comical
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by Useful_Idiot on May 19, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
And rated
And classy
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
does anybody know if Randy Johnson's deal has any kind of no trade clause?
I know in the offseason he was very specific about only wanting to play for a west coast team so I’m thinking he might have insisted on some kind of no trade protection.
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 18, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as I'd hate to trade with them
we could always trade him to the dodgers. Colleti and Sabean are buddies so we could probably get a deal done with them. Angels are also a possibility also since they have rotation problems(Johnson for Brand Wood?).
I wish
That would be a train robbing of LAA
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This is definitely not Howry do it!
There could be a deal built around that framework. RJ and Affeldt for Wood? RJ plus a lesser bullpen guy plus a decent prospect the Angels like?
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 18, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be a train robbing of LAA
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I got a brand new plan, gonna help myself
Cause it’s the fat man’s turn, gonna share the wealth
Put the money in the bag, and keep your hands in sight
Turn around, count to ten, I’ll go back into the night
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Hahaha
You talked about exchanging a Johnson for a Wood….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Our Johnson is too old for us to get Wood. Maybe a few years ago
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by Useful_Idiot on May 19, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Dont trade prospects for old people. There is a .00000001 chance were making the playoffs this year, and if we do, theres a .000000000000000000001 chance we get past the first round and so on. We dont need veterans. We need to develop young player and have a solid offensive base for many years to come.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2009 10:19 PM PDT reply actions
...
…So you’re saying there’s a chance! Uh-huh, I read ya
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by Useful_Idiot on May 19, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
more like 10%
and it was around 15% a week ago. If we could get actual league average 1b production from our 1b, we have an ok shot.
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The A’s will love to pull off a patented Billy Beane move and dump the high paid veteran for a prospect or two to a team that needs a big bat in the lineup for the stretch run.
Wasn’t there a song made about this?
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 18, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, doesn’t Billy Beane rip people off regularly in his trades? BAD IDEA gosh this fanpost sucks.
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yeah, he sure ripped the Cubs off last year getting those studs Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton, and Eric Patterson for Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 18, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Just like
he sure ripped off the Cardinals and Braves when he traded away Tim Hudson and Mark Mulder at the near height of their primes and got NOTHING for either one. And then gave up on Meyer and Calero who are now flourishing with the Marlins this year. And his decision to let Juan Guzman walk and sign guys like Nomar looks great right about now. And let’s not forget keeping Chavez over Tejada just because Crosby was on the way up. Hmm let a second straight league MVP walk via FA or sign the career underachiever to a long term extension who can’t hit LHP….what to do?
Billy Beane is great and all but he is proof that even the best ML GM’s fuck up a lot.
Got nothing for Mark Mulder?
Dan Haren is nothing? And he hasn’t panned out, but Daric Barton looked great for awhile.
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Oh man brain fart
Totally forgot Haren was apart of that trade. I always remember Barton and Calero but not Haren. Probably because Haren is now gone too.
What did Haren turn into?
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Brett Anderson, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland, Carlos Gonzalez and Greg Smith.
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thanks.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
And then Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Huston Street turned into Matt Holliday.
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And Matt Holliday turned into
A player who isn’t as good as they hoped.
by FairweatherFan on May 19, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
he had a slow start, but he’s been Matt Holliday lately. His numbers will look about like what they hoped by the end of the month.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
also, the A’s tried to sign Guzman. But he preferred the Giants.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Beane is a bit overrated
He just gets a lot of attention because he pulls off A LOT of big trades.
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by Useful_Idiot on May 19, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
He did get nothing for Tim Hudson (I didn’t get that one at the time either) but the Mulder trade was a heist for him.
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 19, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Gallagher was a stud last night
2.1 runs over 9 innings. Did I get that right?
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by Useful_Idiot on May 19, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
He then calmed the angry Oakland fans by going into his watermelon smashing routine.
by chilibean_3 on May 19, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I got to the trade Tim Alderson part and I just stopped reading.
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Good decision, Mao.
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This decision serves the people.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Crawford has been one of my favorite players in the MLB for a long time
I would love it if the Giants were able to get him…
Holliday sounds nice too
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I like Crawford
… in a deal for Rowand. I think if the Giants are going to crowd someone out of their OF, they need to add in a masher, not another roadrunner.
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by achiappanza on May 18, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you
but I have a bias towards wanting to get Crawford.
hopefully Rowand tears it up for the next two months and makes the Rays want his “grit”
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Come September we could be looking at needing to decide what to do with Bowker, Lewis, Nate, Rowand and of course Winn. It is possible that there is new management next Spring and Nate is out of the dog house. So who does the team move were and for what reasons?
If I am a contending team I would be seeing if I could fleece Sabean for the cheep top of order OBP & speed bat of Lewis. As a Giants fan I would rather he move Rowand to a city where he can get a fresh start. (Resign Winn if we need a steady veteran presence. ) I think 1 , if not 2,of our outfielders will be moved this season but just what will be coming back in return?
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Holliday would be nice, but dealing with Boras after this season would not.
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by Giant among Angels on May 18, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t care about who we have to to deal with, get someone who can hit.
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If Zito continues to deal...
Any chance of something like Zito + Pitching Prospect for Michael Young?
The rangers are desperate for pitching and have plenty of bats. The giants can offer to pay the difference between Zito and Young’s contracts.
If so...
I’d try and make a move in the offseason for a guy like Delgado. I’d overpay for a 2 year deal that would help bridge the gap until Villalona is ready. Provided that Posey is ready by the start of next year, I could see a lineup of…
Lewis
Renteria
Young
Delgado
Sandoval
Posey
Shierholtz
Rowand
In a couple of years you can sub Villalona in for Delgado, and Crawford in for Rentaria.
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by TexasRanger on May 18, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I think signing Carlos Delgado to a 2 year deal might actually be the worse of the two ideas
by FluLikeSymptoms on May 18, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
fixed
I think signing Carlos Delgado to a 2 year deal might actually be is definitely catastrophically the worse of the two ideas
I could see the exchange of back contracts idea. Leave aside the cost of getting Young his future will probably be at First base ( if he can stay off the DL) so Delgado is just a redundant player. As I recall he was really not thrilled about having to move to 3rd so just how likely his is to stay there and not be a longer term problem?
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Rangers are as desperate for pitching as you think they are.
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Not anymore they arent
They wont take on a contract like that, even to get rid of Young. They are staying in house and bringing up Feliz if they need a boost to pitching. Plus they are going to sign Sheets once he can pitch again. They dont need Zito, Im not sure anyone needs Zito.
by Michael Uhlhorn on May 18, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Sheets could go to a lot of different teams. No one of them should count on his signature, even the Yanks.
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
If they trade my boy, I will start throwing people out of windows.
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Isn't that how WWI was started?
Or some other war, I don’t remember much from my sophomore year of high school.
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by Useful_Idiot on May 19, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but Franz Ferdinand wasn’t much of a prospect.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Holliday
Didnt get enough quality to equal Alderson when the Rockies gave him up. Alderson projects as a number 2 starter, and he would be our 4th best pitcher behind Lincecum, Cain, and MadBum. No way I make that deal. I would like to see the Giants sign Holliday to a reasonable salary as a free agent this winter, but not a trade of anyone who matters. If they take Aaron Rowand straight up, Ill throw in Zito as well for Holliday. But since that only works in video games, no thanks to any of the deals except maybe Crawford and Brignac.
by Michael Uhlhorn on May 18, 2009 11:49 PM PDT reply actions
Milwaukee needs a second baseman
Maybe they could get Ray Durham dusted off, and off the shelf. Maybe the giants can trade to them Velez, or Frandsen, for a power hitting prospect. I don’t think they would want Velez, but maybe Frandsen.
Is Alderson going to be the new player we trade for everyone and anyone in trades? DNW.
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Don’t trade prospects for old people.
It seems that this is the overwhelming sentiment here. But player acquisition in baseball requires a much more nuanced approach. I’d definitely send younger players and/or prospects for an older player if said player was likely to a) rate as a type A or B free agent at the end of the year; b) turn down arbitration because they are likely to get a mulit-year deal on the open market; and c) the prospect or player given up isn’t likely to be a part of our next good team (i.e. Pucetas, English/Snyder, Barnes, etc.). Acquire several of these guys and load up on draft picks. The easiest and least expensive way to do this is looking for relievers. Find the Bob Howry and Jeremy Affeldt types and get them on our staff for 2 months, then let them leave and acquire the extra 2-4 top-50 draft picks. If they have good years (qualify as type A or B) then it won’t be a disaster if they accept arbitration and are on the squad next year, minimizing the risk.
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I love that plan but one of hallmarks of last winter was avoidance of type "A" & "B" free agents if they were not the cream of the crop. We will not know tell next spring ( at the earliest) if this is a trend but I am guessing it is. If it is a trend it sinks this plan because then you are counting on one 10 teams ( the teams that view themselves as possible post season threats along with teams that have a huge system wide weakness at the position) to sign your guy. I don’t those odds this off season.
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Avoidance of type A only
No forfeiture of picks for signing type B
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I think I am in love.
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Lars is a genius.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
the craziest goddamn afghan you will ever wear. I hope you like your warmth givers yelling at you to trade your best prospects for like retired players, and begging you to listen to their new fire sabean ideas.
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Will the Sabean hatred will keep me warm during night games when the fog rolls in? and scare off passers-by at the same time?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, unless you happen to sit next to someone also owning a lunatic crocheted afghan, it will be like sitting next to your two overweight drunk cousins who watch espn all day long at the game. You win some, you lose some
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by TexasRanger on May 20, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Are people still high on Holliday?
I’m not in the Bay Area, so he’s off my radar, but aren’t people souring on Holliday? Or has he broken out of his early season power slump? .261/.331/.403 doesn’t seem like anything to get excited about, especially at the price he’ll demand.
I think Holliday is becoming short hand " for clear over all upgrade outfielder".
And yes he still interests me personally.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Problem:
The only “one guy” that would help the Giants significantly is Albert Pujols, and he aint gettin traded.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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not really true though
Pretty much anyone who could provide .800+ OPS from 1B with mediocre defense would be a huge upgrade. I’d really like to try Guzman before trading for anyone, but really just adding that production could be a huge boon if Rowand even just returns to being his slightly above average self.
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Nick Johnson
I can’t stop thinking about Nick Johnson- nearly 900 OPS (OBP heavy), for his carer, he has been an excellent defender (statistically he is down) he is in the last year of his coontract, so he could hopefully be had cheaply ( Lets say Jesse English) and he would make an incredible impact on the lineup hitting out of the Three Hole
by OmahaGiants on May 19, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
a huge upgrade for sure
but not enough to make the offense even average. Actually, an .800 OPS from our 1B wouldn’t even make our 1B average (MLB average is .860 so far this year (about .820 in 2008).
I guess I meant “who is worth trading for”. It’s clear that the Ishikarillia experiment is “OVAH” (as they say in Beantown)
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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So, for the experiment to be really over, would it mean that rookie first basemen historically start producing within the first couple of months? Aurilia I can say we have a good idea about…
The Ishi debate has had me wondering about the early career arc of successful first basemen… is it rational to expect a rookie to produce out of the box or is there some time frame during which young hitters ramp up to their career levels offensively?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
all I am saying
is the dude has a spotty minor league track record, and would have to go on a 2 month TEAR to get all the way up to “scuffling”
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I’m not arguing that so much as wondering if there’s an historical norm that I can compare against…
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
can we trade for a younger randy johnson?
i adopt Les Plack, D.D.S. for the following reasons:
1. greatest name for occupation ever (except maybe lesbian prostitute sharon bottoms)
2. i am hoping for free dental care from my son (if he ever hears of this)
3. When asked a question about how he felt about Manny being suspended, Les replied "All smiles"
by Headhunter Rollins on May 19, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions
Didnt we used to have a guy who could hit 40 HR's a season?
His name was Barry if I remember correctly. Let’s trade Alderson for him
by Michael Uhlhorn on May 19, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions
YES, one of the lunatic afghans has spoken!
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by TexasRanger on May 20, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Uggla
Sure, he’s not Robby Thompson with the glove and he’s having an awful year, but the Marlins WANT to dump his salary ($5.35M) and if we can sign him for 2-3 years, move Emmanuel back to short and turn Edgar into an expensive utility guy (unless some idiot GM is willing to take his $9M annual), we will have a great #5 hitter. Now all we have to do is offer the Marlins a decent (but not Alderson-like) prospect. I might even offer Freddie Lew if I knew we could sign Uggla. Go ahead, scream at me.
Don't believe everything you think.
Actually that is not a bad idea.
I would be tempted to move him to third next season and Sandoval behind the plate. But the Fish usually only want prospects for a guy that has shown he can say at the MLB level and be pretty good. If it cost prospects for Uggla I am not interested for he is getting to be old (30 next year) for a position (2nd base) that historically ages fast.
Of course he keeps posting 192/307/346 and maybe the Fish might dump him for a used Aurilia or Ubribe and salary relief.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 21, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Top Prospects
If the Giants trade any of their top young prospects, they need to leverage multiple assets into one really big asset (preferablya power bat, obviously). The asset itself shouldn’t be particulary old, as when the Tigers picked up Miguel Cabrera.
I think it would be a mistake to trade for less than top quality or even to trade for top quality that is older.
good work guys
this thread got us called idiots by commenters on MLB Trade rumors!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/05/baseball-blogs-weigh-in-peavy-giants-rays-ms-lidge-beltre.html
you demolish your own idea of the Rays trade by acknowledging they’re loaded with pitching in the system, at he ML level and the upper minors. They’d take Alderson, but they’re not giving up Crawford to do it.
Anyway, he’s like the the heart of their team and they’re not trading him to save a few bucks.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions
Dye & Konerko
I would try to get them both, if i was the Giants, but wouldn’t give up any big names to do it. If the Sox want to get rid of them, it’s as a salary dump. otherwise, they’re buyers, not sellers and those guys are having good enough years to help them to the playoffs.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 22, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions
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