What's Wrong with Aaron Rowand?
by Grant on May 18, 2009 1:20 PM PDT
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Aaron Rowand.
You just clenched your fists, didn’t you? Nice guy. Plays hard. Dives a lot. Now he’s the proud winner of the Benitez/Feliz Award (or, as the kids say, a Beneezie) for his current role as an organizational scapegoat. Where Benitez represented a misjudgment of character, and where Feliz represented a dismissal of the importance of on-base percentage, Rowand represents the “long-term deal to a 30-year-old player” gag of which management used to be so fond.
The Problem
He’s swinging like he needs glasses, and that isn’t hyperbole or a serious attempt at a diagnosis – it’s just the best way to describe a guy who’s swinging like he isn’t seeing pitches. He’s chasing breaking balls all over the strike zone, and he can’t catch up to fastballs. But he isn’t striking out a lot more than usual, even compared to his good years. It’s likely that this is just how he hits when he isn’t having one of his 20+ homer seasons.
Could it be a string of bad luck?
He’s been bad for almost a year now, but the company line was that Rowand was fighting through injuries last year. If that was the case, then we’re trying to extrapolate data from just over 100 at-bats, which is never a good idea. So maybe he’s just been unlucky, right? Probably not, unfortunately. His batting average on balls put in play is a little lower than his career average, but not by a crazy amount. Rowand’s hitting fewer line drives than normal, too.
Diagnosis
Uh, beats me. One thing that does stand out, though, is his infield fly ball percentage. Over 27% of the balls he hits in the air don’t leave the infield. That number is insane, and far above where it usually is for Rowand. While it’s tempting to write that off as a fluke, it might be more indicative of a problem with his swing.
Moises Alou’s swing, which relied on crazy-quick wrists, is the kind of swing that would allow Alou to hit until he’s 50 if he weren’t so dinged up. His legs might have ached, and his body might have been aging, but the wrists were helping him crank out productive seasons. I wonder if Rowand is the exact opposite – his bizarre stance can’t help him get to the ball quicker, and maybe it’s the kind of thing that would actually hasten his decline. Playing the outfield like the Kool-Aid pitcher on meth probably hasn’t helped his body, either.
There are three years and $36M left on Aaron Rowand’s contract. Good grief. He’s still one of the only hitters on the 40-man-roster who’s less than five years removed from being a legitimate middle-of-the-order hitter, but it’s silly to expect that kind of return to form. We’ll have to treat him with Zito gloves, praying he returns to being a useful player instead of an All-Star. I’ll hold out some hope for “useful,” which would mean that he hits a little bit more than he has so far this year while playing a fantastic center field. That fantastic defense didn’t show up last year, and the nnumbers are even worse this year so far. And when we ask "what's wrong," it's worth noting that he isn't that far off of his career pace, which is kind of a terrifying thought.
So we're worrying about Aaron Rowand’s contract more than Barry Zito’s now. This is like tasting human flesh – there’s no going back from this one. Go Giants?
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THIS IS THE YEAR AARON ROWAND EARNS RESPECT!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on May 18, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AARON NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO WIN!
by SoFa King Mike on May 18, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mini Hijack:
For some reason, I really want a Lexus.
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fancy Feast
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moveable Feast
Tommy Lasorda HATES GIANTSBOARD.COM
Cut and Pasted Blog redundancy can be a good thing
Say Hey! Say Who? Say Willie, that Giant Kid is Great!
by merkin on May 18, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmm....
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by nvsfg on May 18, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this one is Gennaro
…JP reference anyone?
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou. "He has some bat speed and the ball comes off the bat pretty well" - K.Law.
by BrianBokake on May 18, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get JP references!
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on May 19, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhhhhhhhhh
nothing like the scent of New Jersey BO and sausage and peppers wafting up into the Village from Mulberry St.
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by natteringnabob on May 18, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My car emergency has gone down now, but I’m still looking at either a 2009 Civic, Cobalt, or some older cheapy car.
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/speeds by Walrus in elitist car
by SoFa King Mike on May 18, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t go wrong with a Honda or Toyota. I didn’t like the Cobalt much but a good amount of people do.
by chilibean_3 on May 18, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No on Cobalt. Just no. Not when you could get a Corolla or Civic for a similar price.
by Grant on May 18, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you look at numbers concerning performance the Cobalt is more than pretty decent. I didn’t like driving it, didn’t like the looks and, yes, didn’t feel it was worth the price.
by chilibean_3 on May 18, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a table of the Cobalt SS compared to some other cars in it’s price range. As far as base Cobalt against Civic or Corolla? I’d go with the Civic unless you can find a Corolla XRS somewhere. Boy, those were fun to drive.
by chilibean_3 on May 18, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I said below
I said before looking at that chart. 0-60 in under 6 seconds!?!?!?!?! Jesus Christ!
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by bondslegend on May 18, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I haven’t even been out to test drive any, just doing some research so far. The Civic sedans drive quite nice (my mom has one) so I’m guessing the coupes do as well.
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Civic SI coupes are nimble little things, very fun.
by chilibean_3 on May 18, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife’s rental after the accident was a Cobalt, and it was a clunky drive. I have a Corolla S, and it felt like the difference between a Yugo and a BMW, and it’s not like the Corolla’s anything special.
by Grant on May 18, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Specs aren't the whole story
you don’t get that “shittieness quotient” that all domestic cars have compared to their “foreign” counterparts. A chevy just feels like a cheap piece of shit to be in, even if it does go as fast as a Honda on paper. Which car do you want to live with every day? Gotta be the Honda or Toyota.
Or BMW.
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by bondslegend on May 18, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I got a car a couple summers ago, it was down to the Cobalt and the Nissan Versa. There was just something that was off with the Cobalt. For instance, the stick wasn’t quite long enough. It was just things like that. I’m quite happy with the Versa (even though Walrus is looking for something bigger).
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by cornball on May 18, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was at a Chevy dealership looking at the Cobalt I noticed that the body panels didn’t fit together right. I pointed it out to the salesman and he pretty much shrugged and said “It’s a Chevy, what are you going to do?”
by chilibean_3 on May 19, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Nissan
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by bondslegend on May 19, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason why I was looking at the Cobalt is that it’s base model is similar in features to the second tier of the Civics for a bit less cost even.
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d go with this if you can afford it.. They start at 22K
Volvo c30. One of top rated Small Cars for 2009. We have an S40, and have owned it for 5 years. All Maintenance covered for the first 40K. No issues what so ever in the five years we have owned it. . It’s a freakin rocket and a blast to drive. The c30 is basically the “cool, hip” version of the S40 sedan. Check it out and build one on Volvo.com
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by nvsfg on May 18, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So pretty.
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by cornball on May 18, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhhhh love
and i don’t even know how to drive
by shanghaijim on May 18, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL*
God I freaking love new volvos so much
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by bondslegend on May 18, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the Volvo
Got the wagon now for 15 years, will eventually have to get a new car but not willingly.
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by timmeh on May 19, 2009 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don’t get the Cobalt. I’ve sold cars for over 8 years and I’ll tell you the cobalt is one of the worst cars I’ve encountered. They’re the disposable camera of automobiles. Civic, Mazda3, Huyndai Elantra, Corolla, Impreza, Sentra and Jetta are all better options. Basically if it’s something that rental companies buy in bulk, you don’t want it.
by Hammaker Party of 8 on May 18, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No American-made recommendations?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on May 18, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have one
Ford, since it’s the only one not being managed by the government. Unless you like your maintenance contract to be taken over by the Department of Energy.
30k service: $30,000,000,000.
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by natteringnabob on May 18, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When they make a decent car,
then maybe they’ll be worth a recommendation. Also: most of those “foreign” cars are more american-made than ford or chevy.
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by bondslegend on May 18, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 19, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much this.
The Pontiac GX8 would have been nice. Just when they were starting to figure things out the decades of terrible car design caught up.
Certain years and versions of the Focus are nice, but I really wish we got the Euro version here.
by chilibean_3 on May 19, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…but I really wish we got the Euro version here.
The Cabriolet ?
or hard top sedan ?
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by nvsfg on May 19, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, what’s really wrong with Aaron Rowand is that there are more posts about cars in this thread than about Rowand.
/Cars.Fun to talk about
//Rowand. Not so much.
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by nvsfg on May 19, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oooo i love the euro fords so much
if they brought us that focus, their fiesta, and the mondeo, Ford would be doing gangbusters. Why in the world do they not do this?
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by bondslegend on May 19, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we have different regulations here and they would have to change everything from the body to the engine. So we get the hunk of junks they have now.
That Euro Focus is just sweet. It has an Evo X thing going on in the front giving it a nice look.
by chilibean_3 on May 19, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
>: (
A lot of fun cars will be going away.
by chilibean_3 on May 19, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
STUPID HIPPIE LIBERALS
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by bondslegend on May 19, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Cars Like this are already here..
GIS for Fisker Karma. Plug In Hybrid. You and I just can’t afford them. Yet.
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by nvsfg on May 19, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yummy
the tesla’s cool too, but wow on that one. Even better
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by bondslegend on May 19, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that
but do they really have to change the way the cars look so drastically?
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by bondslegend on May 19, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if it has to be this drastic, but a guy who worked on some of the modeling for the new Focus said that even small things like the Euro design of the headlights aren’t allowed by U.S. regulations.
It’s frustrating.
by chilibean_3 on May 19, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Why the hell don’t they sell those here? Those would instantly be the most-looking small cars on the road. I mean, goddamn!
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by cornball on May 19, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Car&Driver 2011 Award for Most-Looking Small Car
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 19, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I should have said best-looking.
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by cornball on May 19, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The GX8 woulda been fine
but why did they not just give us the vauxhall monaro, change the badging and call it a day? I don’t get why they had to ugly it up and dumb down the performance. I guess that’s why they’re gone.
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by bondslegend on May 19, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose the Fusion would be my “American-Made” Recommendation. I think the new Dodge Ram is amazing and the malibu is a good car, but in the class he’s looking there’s really nothing competitive with the foreign cars. I would never sell a Caliber, Sebring, Cobalt, Avenger to anyone I care about. Heck, I felt guilty selling them to strangers.
by Hammaker Party of 8 on May 18, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken. Although if you want to be a good salesman, then stop feeling that guilt.
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually dont have to worry about it anymore. I quit in August. I had guilt, but at the same time I always understood my job and did it really well. I always rationalized it as it is my job was to sell the cars we had in stock and for as much money as possible, it was the customers job to be informed and get the best deal possible. From that point, it was a matter of who did their job better.
by Hammaker Party of 8 on May 18, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I spent my school years working for a Toyota dealership. It really solidified my hatred for salepeople. All the good ones are the scummiest bunch of scums I’ve ever met.
by chilibean_3 on May 19, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A friend of mine's a good salesman
and isn’t scummy, he’s just REAALLLLYYY sappy when dealing w/ customers. Still annoying, but he’s very successful.
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by bondslegend on May 19, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s a really fine line you have to walk as a salesperson. I caught a lot of heat while a salesperson cause I wasnt willing to lie to customers. But it was put up with cause I did well anyways. I was willing to do my job and make money but not in a way that made me unable to sleep at night. Here’s the story of the deal that changed me: I got a call from someone who was stranded broken down about 2 hrs away at a rest stop. I came and picked them up, and we sent a tow truck to pick up their Jeep Cherokee. We looked around and found a Wrangler that they liked. We really played hardball and stuck it to them knowing that they were in a really bad spot. Then as I was delivering the Wrangler to them, I took off the top for them, and their 3 year old was in the back seat and he let his balloon go that I had filled with helium for him. And his dad says “Timmy, why’d you do that?” And the boy replies “I gived it to Jesus”. I couldv’e cried right there cause I had just made over $1000 bucks off these folks, which is a big commission, and theyre just good people. I was 18 and had been in the business about 4 months, but that was the turning point in the way I conducted myself on the lot.
by Hammaker Party of 8 on May 19, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…and after Jesus got the balloon, he hit .360 for Fresno.
I worked at a Toyota dealership for almost eight years (from 15 to 23), and there were good guys and bad guys, just like everywhere else in life.
When I went back to buy a Corolla, the sales manager gave it to me at cost, no questions asked. The finance manager tried to screw me seventeen different ways, even though he knew that I’d watched his scummery for three years. My bonuses as a Customer Relations Manager were tied to survey scores, which meant that this jackface had already cost me thousands of dollars in my life. And he still tried to sell me magical fabric protection fairies, getting angry when I refuesd.
by Grant on May 20, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you really need this magical anti theft sticker.
by chilibean_3 on May 20, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost every good salesperson I met from our family of dealerships and other dealerships were scumbags while working and in their personal life. If you are a car salesperson there is a 95% chance I dislike you and have no desire to associate myself with you. DIAF.
by chilibean_3 on May 20, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for Hondas
Mine is crap but is still going at 229K miles. I swear you can drive the early 90s Hondas off a cliff and survive.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 19, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Again
My Honda is about to hit 200K and still going strong.
by paboperfecto on May 19, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dated a girl who sold her mid-80s Honda when it hit about 360K. The engine had never been worked on, besides tune-ups. 360K.
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by cornball on May 19, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the alternator went out last month but otherwise that’s the only issue I’ve had with it. We bought it from a couple who sold it after they bought a Benz. When they sold it to us it had about 180K on it, in 2003. I’ve only been driving it for a year and I’ve already put a lot of miles on the thing.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 19, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My fiances 02 honda engine/trans went out at 80k (car was bought after a accident and she also wrecked it pretty good at one point) Honda replaced the engine/trans for free! They are a great comapny and take their product very seriously
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 19, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why they’re so successful…
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by cornball on May 19, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’ve had a Honda coupe for 13-14 years. Do the maintenance and drive with in its abilities and it is probably the most reliable ride I ever been around. That includes a ‘52 Chevy pickup truck the one grandparent had and an old VW bus that made the rounds thought multiple family members. Both of those were built before the era of the electronic things started cluttering up under the hood.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post scared me, I didn’t realize he still had 3 years and 36 mil on his contract…AFTER THIS YEAR IS OVER!!! That sucks. Like really bad.
by Mrbasepaul on May 18, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Diagnosis
Uh, beats me.
This is where I am as well.
Playing the outfield like the Kool-Aid pitcher on meth probably hasn’t helped his body, either.
Tee Hee.
by scout6 on May 18, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OH YEAH!
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nvsfg on May 18, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s killing Scrappy Doo. He couldn’t possibly be that evil.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on May 18, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s a “Dodger Dog”, not Scrappy Doo.
I believe Scrappy is actually Rowand’s doppleganger.
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by nvsfg on May 18, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then use that bowl of water to help put out the flames, stupid! Don’t just throw it on the ground.
by chilibean_3 on May 18, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Water is useless without the magic Kool Aid powder :-)
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by nvsfg on May 18, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH YEAH!
NO! NOT Oh yeah! You better clean this shit up before my dad gets home!
I hate Dane Cook but that was a funny bit.
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by bondslegend on May 18, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dane Cook was funny for about 15 seconds, then it was all bad
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This is definitely not Howry do it!
by CB30 on May 18, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this
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by bondslegend on May 18, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-SxO9vYxSo
Definitely Dane Cook deserves this imitation
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by TexasRanger on May 18, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god LOL
I didn’t know madtv was capable of doing something that funny. Thanks for that.
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by bondslegend on May 18, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha you’re welcome, I showed this to a dane cook fan earlier and he almost wet himself, that guy does such a spot dane
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by TexasRanger on May 18, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WhoTF is Dane Cook anyway?
I’ve heard his name, and I’ve heard he’s a comedian, but I actually have no idea who he is or what he’s done. A few of my friends, in total disbelief that I didn’t know who he was, told me that I was lucky. Apparently he’s almost as unfunny as Carlos Mencia. I guess when it comes to Dane Cook, ignorance really is bliss.
by bondo on May 19, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a comedian
who was pretty funny when he firrrrrst started, but then he got so retardedly popular that he turned into what you’d expect a ridiculously popular guy to be- a total douchebag. He also steals material from other, funnier comedians.
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by bondslegend on May 19, 2009 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It amazes me how fast the world turned on him. To steal a bit from Kevin Smith, it was like the Pauly Shore phenomenon. One day everyone’s like “Yeah, the Weasssssel….” and then the next day: “MAN, FUCK PAULY SHORE!”
It was like that with Dane Cook too.
by The Double Deuce on May 19, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because they went from novelties that were ok in small doses to being blown into something more than they ever should have been.
by chilibean_3 on May 19, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, agreed. I thought Dane’s first special on Comedy Central was great, and you could tell the audience had NO FUCKING CLUE who he was or what was going on. Then suddenyl somewhere along the line, he became really crazily popular out of nowhere, and you’d walk down the street and hear like sorority girls doing his bits. Then he did those movies with Jessica Simpson and Alba, and it was all over.
by The Double Deuce on May 19, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any time you do a comedy show in Madison Square Garden
and your name isn’t “George Carlin”, then there’s a problem.
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by bondslegend on May 19, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not as funny as the madtv one
but still funny
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/baseball-promo-alcs/166785/
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by GameSix on May 19, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad I searched the page
for the word bum first. I was going to throw this same basic joke out there.
What’s the matter with player X? He’s a bum is the single worst cheer I’ve ever heard at a Giants game.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on May 18, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that cheer. I have heard that that the origin of that cheer actually comes from Dodger fans when they were in Brooklyn. They used to use it to “call out” their own guys in the 1930’s.
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by nvsfg on May 18, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m waiting for Korean player Bum Ho Lee to play in the big leagues.
by SFGuy on May 19, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
link fail
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 18, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
x2
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by rhys on May 18, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU’RE WELCOME GRANT
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, what you're saying is...
Rowand needs to start peeing on his hands.
by The Double Deuce on May 18, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn’t, somebody else should.
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by EliminateMe on May 18, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alou, presumably.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moises is still a FA, isn't he?
Sign him to be Rowand’s personal “Urinary Consultant”?
by The Double Deuce on May 18, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, we can save some money and just use his dad.
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by Natto on May 18, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/visualizes bizarre Flomax advertising campaign featuring Senior Alou & Errant Throwin’
/barfs
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on May 18, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand better hope Zito starts pitching like a bum again to distract us. There’s probably a better chance of that happening than him turning it around at the plate.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you just solved the problem...
maybe Rowand shouldturn around and face the catcher and ump while he batting, will probably up his OBP.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 18, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should just lean into every pitch inside.
HE’S A GAMER.
by The Double Deuce on May 18, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is wrong with Aaron Rowand is that he sucks at baseball. He is going to continue to suck at baseball for the duration of his contract.
What the real question should be is: What are the Giants prepared to do about Aaron Rowand sucking at baseball?
I know every team hates to eat contracts. In Rowands case, it needs to be considered seriously.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 18, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exhibit 1A) Adam Eaton
Exhibit 1B) Geoff Jenkins
That is alot of fail!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 18, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand is a bad starter. He is not, however, a bad 4th OF. In a perfect world we could just replace him with a better starting OF.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on May 18, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have a lot of 4th OFs.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off the top of my head the best available Cf next winter is Crisp. Interested?
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by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a matter of fact i am, we might as well have sick defense if our offense will suck anyway
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by TexasRanger on May 18, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now I am Luke warm, at best, to the idea. He will be 31 next season ( Yes, that is a warning bell) and frankly I would like to see how he holds up for longer than a couple months in K.C. If he does anything like his 24 UZR ’07 season I could get on board real fast.
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by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luke Warm?
Is he a lefty? GIANTS BRAS
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by natteringnabob on May 18, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well played sir.
/ golf clap
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather have Mike Cameron
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on May 18, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Mike Camron.
I also think the ’10 version of him would have his legs fall off if he had to try and play 100+ games of CF in the NL West (Mays Field, PetCo, Coors, and Evils have a lot of ground to cover), that is just my opinion mind you.
I also think Rowand’s glove work would be better if he didn’t have to (or need to) cover as much ground, again another opinion.
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to be borne out by the numbers I saw. I remember seeing something last year that Rowand was top 5 in MLB in % plays made in zone, and bottom 5 in plays made out of zone.
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by Viliphied on May 19, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could slide Winn over, give right to Nate, and let Winn either build up his trade value as a CF, or just keep him for the year. Then, if we trade him, let Rowand play again, or a prospect, because if we trade Winn, we’re probably out of contention anyway.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on May 18, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Xanthan hit the nail square on the head. This franchise is paying $60MM for Marvin Benard II. The sadder part of things is they are going to give #2 more rope than #1 had when we started to decline.
Poll question does Rowand in Cf of 2010 look worse the Roberts Cf experiment in ’07?
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by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I read this as “Xanthan hit the nail with his head” and was all ready to make some witty comment but then re-read this. So no witty comment.
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one time i don’t have post riddled with bad grammar….
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it’s like your usual posts.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on May 18, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF THAT WERE A MOTION PICTURE BY THE BROTHERS COEN IT WOULD BE ENTITLED BURN AFTER READING
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by EliminateMe on May 18, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF THAT WERE AN ACTOR IT WOULD BE JAMES COBURN
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on May 18, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF THAT WERE HOMER SIMPSON’S BOSS IT WOULD BE MONTGOMERY BURN
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on May 18, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna play too!
IF THAT WAS A FESTIVAL IN NORTHERN NEVADA FAMOUS FOR DECORATED HALF NAKED PEOPLE HOPPED UP ON DRUGS IT WOULD BE BURNING MAN
(did I do that right?)
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by merkin on May 18, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF THAT WERE A CIVIL WAR GENERAL IT WOULD BE GENERAL BURNSIDE
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This is definitely not Howry do it!
by CB30 on May 18, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF THAT WERE A DOCUMENTARIAN IT WOULD BE KEN BURNS
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by groug on May 18, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF THAT WERE A STAR DEFENSEMAN FOR THE MINNESOTA WILD IT WOULD BE BRENT BURNS
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by bondslegend on May 18, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it were a Scottish poet, it would be Robert Burn(s)
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by Mayor of 311 on May 18, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NEEDS CAPS
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This is definitely not Howry do it!
by CB30 on May 18, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF IT WERE AN SD SYMPTOM IT WOULD BE A BURNING SENSATION
by scout6 on May 18, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF IT WERE A COLLEGE IN THE SEC IT WOULD BE AUBURN
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by groug on May 18, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a good one
IF IT WERE A PIECE OF LAB EQUIPMENT IT WOULD BE A BUNSEN BURNER
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by CB30 on May 18, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF I WERE A LEFTY WITH A CAREER RECORD OF 101-102 I’D BE JARROD WASHBURN
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by Giant among Angels on May 18, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF I WERE A DAM NEVER BUILT I WOULD HAVE BEEN ALONG THE RAVINE OF AUBURN
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF IT WERE LYRICS TO A DISCO HIT IT WOULD BE “BURN, BABY BURN”
by scout6 on May 18, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF IT WERE RICH AURILIA IT WOULD BE BURNT TOAST
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 18, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF IT WERE A SHITTY DOUCHEBAG PLAYER ON THE DIAMONDBACKS IT WOULD BE ERIC “BURNES”
by scout6 on May 18, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF IT WERE A SHOW I’VE NEVER SEEN IT WOULD BE BURN NOTICE
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF IT WERE A PLACE IN NEW JERSEY IT WOULD BE NEW BRUNSWICK
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 18, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH FUCK
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 18, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU RUINED IT
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by CB30 on May 18, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DON’T WORRY I TOOK CARE OF IT.
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OW MY RIGHT SHOULDER
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read this at work this morning. I had to go out into the warehouse and laugh.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 19, 2009 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF IT WERE A DOS COMMAND IT WOULD BE BRUN
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by merkin on May 19, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you are but what am I?
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“When you’re a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. " Our GM and Manager however are not hammers. :-\
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by nvsfg on May 18, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least they are dropping him in the order. I was at the game last night. He should have caught that ball in the first. Cain might have not thrown so many pitches because instead of getting that first guy out, he was greeted by his defense letting him down (again), which couldn’t have helped his concentration after the first three games of this series. I won’t even say anything about his doubleplay
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by WilliamVanLandingham on May 18, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On a rebuilding team dropping a vet into the bottom third is a drawback. For then there is 1 less low pressure spot for a kid to break into the league at or for some ne slumping to go take a bit of pressure off them tell they get things straightened out again.
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by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say something about his double play
When your team is holding onto a precarious lead against a team that’s won the first three games of the series, and you’ve got the bases loaded with one out in the late innings, you need to get the goddamn fucking ball out of the fucking infield. Jesus, even a bunt at that point would only create a single out. The drummer from Dep Leppard would have made better contact with that ball than Rowand did.
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by Kitspool on May 18, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
101% agree. Mathematically impossible, you say? Oh, no, my friends.
And… wait… there was one other thing about that GIDP… hmmm…. oh, yeah: it was on the first f&#king pitch, motherf^cker! Future generations will call the first pitch GIDP the “Giant.”
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by Mayor of 311 on May 18, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The one-pitch outs were killing me last night, and not just with Rowand. I think it took Pelfrey a bit over 30 pitches to get through the first three innings. It should be sobering to this team that their starting pitchers usually have longer ABs than their power hitters.
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by Kitspool on May 18, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite right.
How big of a head case is Pelfrey not to have realized how well he was actually doing against the Giants? He is the love child of Shawn Estes and Trevor Wilson.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 18, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What kills me about that is that Vet’s are the worst offenders. Only Renteria and Winn will occasionally put together a 6+ pitch P.A. with any frequency. Yet the Big Head keeps on putting them in the lineup. How bad is it? Even with Lewis’ issues it is worth noting that Molinia is the only Vet with a higher SLG.
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by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Velez swung at the first pitch in every at bat he had.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 19, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on May 18, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes its demoralizing for a team.
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by Giant among Angels on May 18, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand lack's Joe Morgan's 6th tool: A Brain
what makes this so frustrating is that we all know that it is a double play situation. We all know there is a sinkerballer on the mound. We all know that he is going to try to get Rowand to swing at a sinkerball to GIDP. And we all know that he wants to do it in as few pitches as possible. and we’re all NOT professional baseball players, and yet we see what’s coming.
Hell, if Rowand would have GIDP after a long at bat in which he worked the count and fouled pitches off, etc I still would have been upset, but not nearly as upset after he did it on the first pitch. It just shows the guy isn’t being smart. He isn’t using his brain and realizing what the situation is. IF we know it, so should he. That he fails to do so as often as he does is what pisses me off.
For the Giants to win games, they need to much better at situational baseball than they are. It’s amazing that the front office drafts, develops and signs as free agents such brain-dead slop hackers (and hires hitting coaches and managers who preach it) when they know that they don’t have a lot of room for error offensively and when their stated strategy is small-ball. It just boggles the mind.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 19, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is unfair.
Hitting a baseball is hard. The approach must be ingrained, or you are going to be way late even on Grant’s 72 mph meatballs.
He can go up there thinking “swing” or “take” or mostly likely NOT THINK AT ALL he is going to be reacting to what he sees unconsciously. I think it’s possibly to change the training, but it cannot be done instantaneously. Rowand – like EVERY OTHER BALLPLAYER ABOVE JUNIOR HIGH is going to swing at a pitch he thinks he likes. Now, he many be less discriminating than we like, and he certainly (like everyone) can get fooled on a pitch, but you are sitting back in your living room saying “no dp no dp no dp” (TWSS) and he is up there trying to get on base. He failed. He’s going to fail again. The best players fail 60% of the time.
Think about it – if all you had to do to avoid hitting into a DP with a sinkerballer on the mound was to “decide not to swing at the first pitch” then sinkerballers wouldn’t have a job.
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by zenbitz on May 19, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying it’s easy to hit a baseball. I’m saying that if Rowand thinks “sinkerball is coming” and gets it and tries to pull it, the results will be a ground ball, likely a double play, which is precisely why the Mets walked Nate ahead of Rowand. That is what’s so obvious. He shouldn’t want to hit a groundball in that situation. He should avoid it if he can. A flyball to the OF would have plated a run. A double play ends the inning.
The point of working the count is to get the best pitch possible to hit as hard as possible as far as possible. Maybe Pelfrey never gives in, but we’ll never know because Rowand swung at the first pitch and did exactly what Pelfrey wanted. yeah, maybe he got fooled, but if he had seen a few more pitches the likelihood of that would have decreased as well.
And again, as I said, maybe he would have eventually hit into the double play anyway, but that he did it on the first pitch was much more frustrating than if he had seen some pitches first and then GIDP. Hell, Pelfrey might have balked again. We just don’t know.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 19, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He shouldn’t want to hit a groundball in that situation. He should avoid it if he can. A flyball to the OF would have plated a run. A double play ends the inning.
I don’t understand. You think he was trying to hit a ground ball? Well, he wasn’t. It’s just hard not to. Even 2007 Bonds, who – I guarantee you – was always trying to put the ball in the air, was hitting groundballs 40% of the time.
For the Giants to win games, they need to much better at situational baseball than they are. It’s amazing that the front office drafts, develops and signs as free agents such brain-dead slop hackers (and hires hitting coaches and managers who preach it) when they know that they don’t have a lot of room for error offensively and when their stated strategy is small-ball. It just boggles the mind.
All of last year you heard all kinds people – fans, announcers – rant about how that’s the Giants’ problem – they can’t hit in the clutch. They just can’t manage to capitalize on opportunities. They get the runner to second, but then they can’t drive him in.
2008 Giants:
Overall: .262/.321/.382.
With RISP: 260/.338/.370.
Hey, that’s practically identical. So, maybe we weren’t bad at situational hitting. Maybe we were just bad at hitting. Maybe it just looked like we’re bad at situational hitting because that strikeout hurt quite a bit more when there was a runner on 3rd base, or because it was easier to be angry at player for not moving the runner over than for just being bad at hitting a baseball. Who knows.
If the Giants want to score more runs, they need better hitters. They won’t get to the playoffs with the hit-and-run.
And, while I hate watching hackers as much as you do (probably more), I still can’t stand it when people assume that hacker = stupid. Billy Beane walked 11 times in 350 career PA’s – Is he “brain-dead” too?
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by Cookyman on May 19, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh that that too.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on May 19, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so maybe he isn't thinking "sinkerball is coming"
maybe that’s how you get fooled. Maybe he is just up there, you know, HITTING. He sees a pitch. Might be a sinker, might not, it’s not like he has more than 100 milliseconds to decide.
Since obviously, the whole point of a sinker is that it looks like a freaking fat pitch. Also, Pelfrey doesn’t throw a sinker, at least not by pitch f/x. He throws a slider, which does break about 5" below his fast ball/change. He also throws nearly 80% fastballs. His groundball rate, is however, 50% over his career which is certainly among the league leaders… but given the number of fastballs he throws, he must be getting most of those GBs on the fastball, not the breaking ball.
Which in turn, leads me to conclude that you have no idea what you are talking about regarding Rowand ability or inability to hit into a 1st pitch DP off of Pelfrey… only that we agree that it sucks, and Rowand is pretty sucky as well.
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by zenbitz on May 19, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starters who throw 80% fastballs don’t actually throw fastballs – they throw sinkers, or cutters, or the Livan Hernandez Crapball*. And I don’t think that pitch f/x even has a sinkerball option. Anyway, Pelfrey is a sinkerballer.
*©.
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by Cookyman on May 19, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A drummer from Spinal Tap would have done better as well.
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by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot that Aaron Rowand exists. Whenever I look at centerfield, I see nothing.
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by Natto on May 18, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whenever I look at your posts, I see nothing.
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mechanics
I think it is the stance. I think he is losing the ball when he goes from that upright stance into his load.
by toofruss on May 18, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As pointed out yesterday, he practices that ridiculous stance. Lansford needs to kick him in the ass everytime he stands like that until he learns a more practical stance.
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by can of corn on May 18, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that being able to hit and take a dump while in the same position is the essence of practicality.
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by rhys on May 18, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ass?
No, right in the nads. That’s the kind of negative reinforcement that gets results. And Carney is just the guy to deliver it, too.
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by Skaldheim on May 18, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kicking people in the nads is too Pierzynski-ish for me.
by The Double Deuce on May 18, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KICK HIM IN THE ROWNADS
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by Johnny Disaster on May 18, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rownad gota go
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by bondslegend on May 18, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm unconvinced that Lansford is much of a coach at all. I don't see any results.
Which isn’t to say that that’s a fair assessment of his efforts/abilities, nor is it to disqualify him from kicking Rowand in the ass.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 18, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t seen the stats, but it seems that the team is swinging at a higher percentage of first pitches than last season. You’d think that there would be SOME plate discipline among these guys and that the hitting coach would be the one telling them how to do that better.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me that I read something earlier in the season about the vets advising the young players to take a hack at the first pitch in an AB, since that’s probably the best one they’d see. This is lame. Plus, I would hope that a decent batting coach would actually be responsible for developing the young players. I can’t help but think that either our coaching is horrendous or there’s some sort of lame-hitting virus going around the team.
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by can of corn on May 18, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, probably a bit of both. It’s not like Carney has a lot to work with. As far as I can tell, they’ve done a good job getting Sandoval on track and that’s it. I’m not sure what they told Burriss, but he’s been watchable lately. Everyone else is bleh. They’ve totally messed up Lewis.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Bochy for Lewis. Constantly switching spots in the order is tough, but when you are trying to establish yourself in the league and are asked to have a different plate approach everyday is ridiculous.
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by Giant among Angels on May 18, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I belong in this line.
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s a great point. Trying to make him a heart of the order power hitter is just a mistake by having him swing earlier in the count just doesn’t make much sense for him.
Lewis certainly needs to do a better job of shortening his swing and protecting with 2 strikes, but that doesn’t mean he needs to stop working the count and doing what he can to get a good pitch to hit hard and/or just get on base via the walk.
I like Fred. He had great potential and he can get better still by being more consistent, but at his age, what we’re seeing is probably what we’re gonna get out of the guy. He’ll never be a 20+ homerun guy on this team, which is fine if he’s the leadoff guy who gets on base and uses his speed to steal some bags and score some runs.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 19, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It almost seems like an organizational philosophy.
Pedro Feliz this season: 120 AB, 15 BB, .308 AVG, .380 OBP. And I know, small sample size, but he was never close to that kind of BB rate as a Giant.
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by neurofarm on May 18, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Spot on today.
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by Giant among Angels on May 18, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He says he's worried too much about mechanics.
From Extra Baggs on Saturday:
After Friday night’s failures, Rowand confessed that he couldn’t sleep. He sat in the dugout after his ground out stranded Winn and he realized something: If he’d tried to predict how the pitcher would approach him, he would’ve been 100 percent correct. He would’ve been looking for the right pitches. But he was so worried about his stance, his hands, his weight shift, etc., that he wasn’t focused on the top priority in the batter’s box — thinking about and reacting to the little white ball.
So late that night, he decided to flush everything.
"I’m starting over today," he told me, roughly an hour before the first pitch. "I’m simplifying everything."
It’s a bit of a magic tweak moment, but heck, at this point I’ll take any small scrap of hope that lets me believe Rowand can again be an average hitter.
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by EliminateMe on May 18, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So late that night, he decided to flush everything.
TMI
by The Double Deuce on May 18, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol Nasty Shit.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you don't flush after a nasty shit
Then you’re a terrible human being.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 18, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Courtesy flush.
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by can of corn on May 18, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. The good news:
“I’m starting over today,” he told me, roughly an hour before the first pitch. “I’m simplifying everything.”
The bad news:
He’s not starting with his baseball playing.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 18, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright I don’t know when this came out and what games I watched. So if he’s simplifying everything, wouldn’t that mean that he just goes up there in a regular stance? Is he?
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly as of Saturday’s game.
I read it to mean concentrating more on the pitcher and the ball and less on what his hands and body is (or is not) doing.
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by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but seriously, this is the problem:
Manager Bruce Bochy met with Rowand recently and asked him to consider cutting down on his early hitting; we asked Rowand if he’d agree to that.
"I don’t know," he said. "Maybe a little."
how about take the manager’s advice, dumbass?
or maybe the problem is with Bochy. If the players won’t listen to him, he’s of even less use to this team.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends on what he’s saying –
besides
would you listen to anything Bochy said?
by Merope on May 18, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course, I wouldn’t. but he’s not my boss.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really Rowand’s boss either. It’s not like he could fire him.
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by Cookyman on May 19, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s true.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 19, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should just get rid of that batting stance...
Even when I saw him batting in Philly, I’d think “what the hell is wrong with this guy?”.
by AmorVincitOmnia on May 18, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our grizzled veteran mind-fucking himself like a rook. Yeah!
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by Giant among Angels on May 18, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His stance kills me. Also, he doesn’t look very limber to me, like he almost needs to stretch more and become more flexible.
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by Giant among Angels on May 18, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was 3-4 against Johan Santana two days ago
Small sample size? That’s 4 whole AB’s there!!
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by rhys on May 18, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
This tastes like human flesh!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on May 18, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by rhys on May 18, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give a man human flesh,
feed him for a day;
teach him to hunt human beings,
feed him for a lifetime
by VidaWantsYourCar on May 18, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give him a long break, a la Red Sox with David Ortiz
I actually give the Red Sox some credit for giving Ortiz 5 days off— that is a pretty gutsy thing to do in an intense media market (read: ESPN) and in a business in which these things are looked at like “admitting weakness,” as if the USSR will launch missiles from Cuba if they sense that any sports franchise is trying to address a problem.
I think it would be a good idea to give him a couple consecutive series off, have him work with a good batting coach & together they should watch video of Rowand’s better days and also maybe some approaches of batters of comparable size/strength. He doesn’t have to become Barry Bonds, but he SHOULD be able to drive balls to the outfield for hits, and do so regularly.
And hey— in all seriousness, a vision test might be in order. I can’t remember what player it was a few years ago, but he was inexplicably performing below par, had a vision test, was discovered to need vision correction, and rebounded quickly. (Roos Ortiz? Shawn Estes? Damn this stupid brain.)
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by Mayor of 311 on May 18, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was Roos, I think. At least I’m pretty sure he was the one who got the Lasik. Kruk & Kuip kept talking about Lasik for weeks afterward. sometimes i think (whispers) they drink in the booth …
by shanghaijim on May 18, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And even better is Rowand can take an extended break and not be subject to furious media masturbation a la ESPN.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 18, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The New Whipping Boy
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Without the range or quick accurate arm at least....
Hey, not bad for MSPaint
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by merkin on May 18, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. Rowand makes me wish Shinjo was here instead.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least Shinjo’s defense was fun to watch.
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by lmaozedong on May 18, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could have seen Shinjo lowered from the rafters to take center field in Japan
by Classy_Argonaut on May 18, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still the best belt in baseball
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by rightcenterfielder on May 18, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind whatever I do!!
Fan is my treasure!!
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by Natto on May 18, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
even in Japan
wearing a jersey that says “Nippon Ham” is weird.
I wonder if it says “Chico’s Bail Bonds” on the back.
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by natteringnabob on May 18, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still wish the jerseys said Ham Fighters
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by GiantBrass on May 18, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
if Egypt fields a WBC team sometime
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by natteringnabob on May 19, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea not too bad.
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to go out on a limb here
He is who we though he is.
I spent about 10 minutes on fangraphs… and it’s pretty clear that the dude is just a hacker. Not a super braindead Caribbean hacker, but he does have a 6% lifetime walk rate, which is meh. (Note that it’s higher with the Giants… along witth the K rate).
But still – he seems like a poster DIPS boy. When his BABIP is high, he hits .300. When he hits lots of fly balls, he ends up with 20+ HRs. His LD% is down in 2009, but I don’t really feel his stats-to-date are meaningful… at all.
So, carry on.
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by zenbitz on May 18, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But why can’t a be wrong about a bad thing?
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his ground balls are up,too.
but really, he had bad stretches like this in both of his good seasons, 2004/2007
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by zenbitz on May 18, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
He is who we thought he was.
That’s the phrase that came to my mind as well. For the most part we all were pretty unimpressed by the Rowand signing when it came down. Coming into 2008, Rowand’s career was that of a mostly mediocre hitter, with two years where his numbers spiked. I think most of us had those two productive seasons pegged for anomalies. Unfortunately, when Brian Sabean falls in love, he falls hard. And Aaron Rowand was exactly the kind of player who was bound to set Sabes’ heart aflutter. A gritty, gamer, centerfielder, and a clubhouse leader/character guy to boot. Sabes had on his “Gamer Goggles”, and saw a guy who, if he wasn’t going to repeat his 2004 and 2007 seasons every year, would at least be a sort of 20-25 HR, .280-.290, 80-90 RBI’s kind of hitter. I doubt there are many of us on this board who shared that kind of optimism.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on May 18, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we all were pretty unimpressed by the Rowand signing when it came down
I remembered the sentiment more like “well, if we’re going to throw that money at someone, better at Rowand than at Dave Roberts or Michael Tucker or Terrence Long”.
I agree the McCoven wasn’t as convinced as Sabean that he would hit like he was still in Philly, but I don’t think this level of crapulence was really expected. For example, I expected he would remember to occasionally throw to second base.
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by natteringnabob on May 18, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of us were pretty "meh" at best...
I remembered the sentiment more like "well, if we’re going to throw that money at someone, better at Rowand than at Dave Roberts or Michael Tucker or Terrence Long".
See, I’m not sure if I would even describe the above as “faint praise”, but I don’t think it quite captures the general sentiment of the McCoven.
By the way, here’s what I said…
I will agree that defensively, Rowand has been quite a bit worse than I expected.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on May 19, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts on Aaron Rowand
He is terrible.
by Norm Median on May 18, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
His signing was obviously a knee-jerk reaction to the bad publicity of the Bonds era, which is pretty stupid to begin with. Give me a player who can hit 30 bombs and drive in 100 runs and he can torture kittens, for all I care.
by Norm Median on May 18, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not being serious. I would be gravely offended if a player tortured a kitten or full grown cat. Puppies or dogs, on the other hand, are totally fine.
by Norm Median on May 18, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a Steven Lynch song called Kill a Kitten
Even as I find animal abuse to be abhorrent and heartbreaking, the song is pretty funny.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 18, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that song
is hilarious.
“killing kittens isn’t easy
and if the thought makes you feel queasy
grab a pitchfork from the shed
and kill a puppy dog instead”
“I wonder why PETA keeps sending you all this hate mail”
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by Viliphied on May 18, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
reminds me of Tom Lehrer, “Posioning Pigeons in the Park.”
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 18, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just heard Tom Lehrer’s stuff this weekend and I died laughing. It’s so hateful and warped, so of course it’s right up my alley.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 19, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cows With Guns is my favorite.
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by groug on May 19, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I quote the bible for that's where it's written
If ye loveth Jesus ye must kill a kitten
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 19, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
StePHen (OMG NERD) Lynch = win
So disturbing but so funny
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by bondslegend on May 18, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
spelling fail
But yes hilarious and wrong. But mostly hilarious.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 19, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought only girls liked cats?
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don’t forget the brothers in The City
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by groug on May 18, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes a special kind of man to love a cat
by Norm Median on May 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lars just what do your think your doign there?!?!?
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh…funny thing is, that does kinda look like me!
by Lars The Wanderer on May 18, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why are you laying there with that long haired leopard speedoed dude?
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by merkin on May 18, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you have your priorities straight.
/ tip cap
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 19, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks under-Photoshopped
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by Mayor of 311 on May 18, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big n Beardy
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on May 18, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly what I thought of the Rowand signing. I new we where going to sign him when the offseason started that year, and was against it by all means. I also wanted us to sign Andruw Jones, so I figure it could be worse.
by shaolinironlion on May 18, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 3 years
Aaron Rowand will be the most over paid 4th outfielder in the league me thinks.
Seriously, has anyone seen my adopted brother?