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I came across this on milb.com while checking out John Bowker's stats.

 

Was one of top NL rookies in 2008, making his ML debut and batting .255 (83-for-326) with 31 runs, 14 doubles, three triples, 10 HRs and 43 RBIs in 111 games for San Francisco...rankedamong NL rookie leaders in avg. (10th), HRs (T4th), hits (9th), 3Bs (T4th), RBI (6th), total bases (T7th - 133), multi-hit games (T9th - 18), extra base hits (7th - 27) and slugging pct. (6th - .408)...began year with triple-A club, but was recalled April 12 and had fantastic 1st Half, batting .274 (64-for-234) with nine HRs and 38 RBIs in 75 contests...his nine HRs at All-Star Break led team, becoming first rookie to pace club in HRs at Break since Dave Kingman in 1972 (21)...his 38 RBIs were also tied for 4th-most by SF rookie prior to Break (Dave Kingman tops list with 58 in '72) and his .274 avg. ranked as sixth-highest mark by rookie before Break in SF history (Gary Matthews is first with .316 clip in 1973)...

 

I'm not saying that John is going to turn into a Dave Kingman or Gary Matthews, but he should be on the team, and he probably should have been the starter from Opening Day. Ishikawa has had a far more longer slump than John, and Bochy/Sabean  are sticking with him. But of course the organization throws John under the bus because he had a slump in his rookie year, and the league figured him out, something that most rookies experience.

 

And it seems that he's working hard and fixing his problems. (K:BB of 18:24)

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But the organization throws John under the bus because he had a slump in his rookie year, and the league figured him out? Isn’t that common?

by DuikeBuike on May 17, 2009 8:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You can edit your post, y’know.

by Natto on May 17, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can? Since when?

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by GiantBrass on May 17, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was looking for that, but couldn’t find it.

by DuikeBuike on May 17, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the sidebar, click on “Manage Fanposts.” Then find the Fanpost you want to edit and click the icon of a pencil and a sheet of paper.

by Natto on May 17, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh FanPosts...

not comments. You got my hopes up… =(

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by GiantBrass on May 17, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, no one can edit comments, not even mods.

by Natto on May 17, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, because even mods can’t edit comments. We can only hide or delete them.

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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If WalrusMan could edit comments, everyone on this site would talk about nothing but Led Zeppelin.

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by groug on May 18, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TAKE THAT GROUG

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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, if I could edit comments, I’d probably make everyone talk about Led Zeppelin.

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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WALRUSMAN >:(

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by groug on May 18, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

THE TRUTH MUST BE TOLD

by Natto on May 18, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

NATTO IS A FRIEND TO THE LITTLE MAN

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by groug on May 18, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HEY YOU SUCK MAN

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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOWKERMANIA

I really hope he becomes a contributing member of thus team at some point.

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by NuschlerFace on May 17, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Or even thisteam

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by NuschlerFace on May 17, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And thus your comment.

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by Lyle on May 18, 2009 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out of options: true. The rest: speculation

The organization is probably sticking with Ishikawa because he’s out of options, and they want to be completely sure he can’t turn it around before cutting ties with him. When they give up on him, he’s done. Bowker could get more seasoning in the minors. Ishi would have to go through waivers. While it’s likely no one would claim him (OrtNiekThritis, presumably), you are pretty much ending his career in a Giants uniform. That’s just a decision they’re taking their time with.

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by groug on May 17, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I didn’t mean to bash on Travis cuz he has been doin well with the glove. Aurilia and Velez should be the ones not on the team.

by DuikeBuike on May 17, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ishikawa’s defense is keeping him alive at this point. As long as he keeps flashing the glove like he has, the team will most likely continue to be patient with him and hope his bat heats up.

by deuce deuce on May 17, 2009 9:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the top NL rookies in 08? Were we watching the same season?

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by BrianBokake on May 17, 2009 10:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He hit more dingers than Jair Jurrjens!

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by groug on May 17, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the beginning of the year I think ishikawa was the better bet than Jon Bowker. At this point in the year, I’m willing to reconsider.

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by JakeS on May 17, 2009 10:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the thing the fans would like to see is an explanation, or a train of thought. “We are going with Ishi to start the season because……….” I know they don’t HAVE to tell us, but it still would be nice to not have to speculate.

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by LargeFarva on May 17, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or maybe it IS more fun to speculate.

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Robby Thompson ,"You'll see...."

by LargeFarva on May 17, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not too tough to speculate.
Bowker struggled mightily last year, and unless you wanted to see Aurillia or McClain as the 1st baseman, Ishikawa is the obvious choice.

Ishikawa was highly touted out of high school, had a great 08 and spring, and is out of options.
Starting him at first is way down the list of decisions that I don’t understand.

by DesertFox on May 17, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sabean did say that watching Bowker at first base made him value defense at first base more. If I remember right it was an excuse to not go after Dunn.

by ktice on May 18, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

COMPOUND FAIL

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on May 18, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say demote Aurilia, but Joe morgan would keep saying we lacked leadership untill I was forced to kill myself, or him. So I guess Bowker is going to have to stay in AAA.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 17, 2009 10:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Listening to that talk was horrible.
Morgan + Philipps=death to my ears.
They should just let Miller do ESPN Giants games himself. He’s more entertaining talking to himself.

by DesertFox on May 17, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a Bowker fan, but he absolutely should’ve started the season in the minors. He had some promising moments in 2008, but some glaring issues as well. Yeah, he had 10 home runs – but only 1 after the all-star break. He had a great month in June, but after that he fell of a cliff, and his post-break line was just bad: .207 / .255 / .304. He was striking out way too much – 23 times in 72 at bats in July! – and not walking enough. His defense at first was poor enough to become a real issue.

Of course, it’s not surprising he had some of these issues, because he was a non-elite prospect who essentially skipped AAA. In his first few games, and again in the month of June, he showed us that he has the tools to be a good hitter. But the rest of the year, he showed us he was still in need of minor league time – he was still developing into a real player.

Thankfully, he’s been doing pretty well in AAA, and he’s really been addressing his most glaring issue – his poor K/BB rate. That gives me hope that he can adjust to the league, just like how the league adjusted to him. I hope he’s back with the major league team this year, and I hope he’s part of the team next year. But in order for that to happen, it was certainly the right decision to send him back to AAA for more paprika, cumin, and other seasoning.

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by jcb9 on May 17, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

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by The Thrill on May 17, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a Bowker fan, but he absolutely should’ve started the season in the minors.

I never gave up on the idea of Bowker growing up to be contributor — his 2007 was too impressive for that — but I sure as hell didn’t want to see him in the majors to start the year.

His walk rate is freaky, though. I wasn’t expecting that. If it keeps up, the power will follow, and then the Giants would have something.

by Grant on May 17, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs more Kin Corn Karn

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by SoFa King Mike on May 18, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am stoked about Bowker’s walk rate and truly hope it is an improved part of his game. He is young enough that he could still develop into a solid contributor on this team when Randy Winn is gone. He’ll be up again sometime this year, that is for sure.

by Squire_Boone on May 17, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I belong in this group think line!

Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on May 18, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also
Ishikawa has had a far more longer slump than John, and Bochy/Sabean are sticking with him. But of course the organization throws John under the bus because he had a slump in his rookie year, and the league figured him out, something that most rookies experience.

I don’t think this is true on any count. First, Bowker’s slump lasted about two months last year – in July, his line was .194 / .247 / .278 and in August it was .167 / .265 / .233. In those two months, he had about 110 plate appearances, which is more than Ishikawa has had so far – so Ishikawa’s slump isn’t longer. What’s more, Bowker was worse than Ishikawa’s line thus far (.233 / .295 / .291), and defense was an issue for him, too.

And while there’s plenty to criticize Bochy and Sabean for this year, I don’t think they threw Bowker under the bus, as I went into in my previous comment. Sending him down was reasonable given than he had options left and that the Giants had better options at the positions he can play – those being left and right field. I don’t think it’s helpful, ultimately, to look and him next to Ishikawa and ask what would have been because I don’t think the organization sees him as an option at first base. That experiment is over (at least for now, mind you – it wasn’t that long ago that the Sandoval at third base experiment was dead and gone!).

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by jcb9 on May 17, 2009 10:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

complaining about Bowker starting the season in the minors is about like complaining about releasing Matt Palmer

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 17, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

GIANTS BRASS

by Natto on May 17, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, has anyone seen my adopted brother?

by j14 on May 18, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done.

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by Lyle on May 19, 2009 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bowker is an outfielder. He’s played exclusively there this season – all as a RF. He was pretty bad a 1b last season, though he was learning the position at the major league level, which isn’t easy. It may have effected his offense as well. He’s played great this year, but hoping he’d be an everyday 1st baseman is a pipe dream, and thus the comp to Ishikawa isn’t apt.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 12:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This

Ishikawa started the season in the bigs because he can play GG caliber defense and Bowker is an OF who was plugged in at 1B at the last minute. He didn’t do well. Bowker is playing his way back onto the ML roster, but as an OF, not a 1B, which he hasn’t played since last year. The 1B in Fresno is Guzman.

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by tedfordfan on May 18, 2009 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly. I’d love to see Bowker in the bigs, but as an OF, not as a 1b regular. it appears the Giants have the same view, plus, they have more 1b options than they did a year ago. I commend Bowker for giving it a shot, but he was out of his element at 1b and it showed.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DON’T BE FOOLED BY BOWKER;

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by jponry on May 18, 2009 3:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

REMEMBER BOWKERMANIA!!!

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by tedfordfan on May 18, 2009 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still have BOWKERMANIA!

Especially with the walks. If he can maintain plate discipline he’s going to hit bombs.

What I don’t understand is why everyone seems to think the choice is Ishikawa or Bowker.
The choice should be Bowker or Schierholtz. Schierholtz just isn’t going to be good – ever. At least Ishikawa is heating up. Ishi started terribly, but now he’s getting the average and OBP up. Let’s see if the power follows. Ishi has the skills and potential, and it’s worth giving him a real shot.

As for Bowker, at least he actually has power sufficient to scare the opposing pitcher.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bowker’s minor-league career: .293/.344/.465
Schierholtz’s minor-league career: .308/.355/.517

I don’t see any basis whatsoever for the assertion that Schierholtz is never going to be good and Jon Bowker is somehow the better prospect. The former is possible – he’s been jerked around forever and never projected as much better than average, but there’s no reason I’d rather see Bowker in the lineup than Nate.

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by JakeS on May 18, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even that vaunted power, in the minors Bowker hit a homer once every 35 at-bats, Schierholtz once every 28.

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by JakeS on May 18, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

force Nate to bat RH

then they can platoon

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by natteringnabob on May 18, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Nate is a MUCH better thirdbaseman than John.

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by Lyle on May 19, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t get back on the wagon!

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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get in line, John

Bowker should resign himself to playing in the minors until September, lest he suffer the same fate as No-go Nate. How else will he (and Frandsen, too) get sufficient at bats? I’m all for benching A-Row, but that train of thought is delayed at Big Brain Station.

by boolemaster on May 18, 2009 7:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would worry about Bowker getting sufficient ABs too, but Frandsen shouldn’t have that problem at all.

There’s an easy solution: dump Velez, the worst player in baseball. Frandsen takes his spot and gets all the utility starts until the team gives up on Renteria, and then Frandsen and Burriss both start. Uribe can rot on the bench or go away.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don’t see how frandsen can get the ab’s. velez only has 27ab’s and he doesn’t even get utility starts. also, renteria will not be benched (see aaron rowand about that) and uribe will continue to get spot starts. sadly, that is how bochy has chosen to manage and it isn’t likely to change.

by boolemaster on May 18, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That plan is altogether too sensible to actually come true.

by shanghaijim on May 18, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be a top rookie isn't much...

let alone a top 10 rookie, if he was ranked 2nd or 3rd in most of those catagories the yeah, but to be 5th, 6th or 7th in rookie catagories doesn’t impress me much

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by say hey nation on May 18, 2009 7:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So you’re Brad Pitt?
That don’t impress me much.

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by Lyle on May 19, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Before we talk about how good Bowker is playing....

…we have to figure out what to do with Aaron Rowand.

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by Smotheredinhugs on May 18, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So if Schierholtz plays only right field, and Bowker plays only right field ummm….

by Merope on May 18, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bowker can play first, he did it last year. I think. And even if he cant, do something to Rowand (namely, cut him), move Winn to center, and have a Schierholtz Bowker platoon in RF.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except no, Bowker can’t play first. While yes, he can stand there, he’s not really that good at it. Sure you can put anyone at first, but it’s just like putting anyone in left (some of the worst fielders in the game are in left field).

And also, how are you going to platoon Schierholtz and Bowker? Both are lefties.

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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could

make a new rule, where against lefties we play with 8 guys, but against righties we play with 10, and Bowker and Schierholtz can play super right field!

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by gore51 on May 18, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

scratch that thought then

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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Bowker plays first the way that Shea Hillenbrand played third.

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on May 18, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like a sinking ship?

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on May 19, 2009 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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