The McC-Meme that just won't die (but absolutely should)....
by baetown415 on May 16, 2009 9:49 PM PDT
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It really surprises me that so many of the McCoven faithful are still talking about this, considering we're all mostly level-headed and rational when it comes to this organization. In fact, because of this, it drives me up the wall anytime someone mentions this...
Now, despite my "sabermetric" leanings, I understand that numbers don't tell the whole story, that every once in a while a player comes out of nowhere and mesmerizes us fans to the point where we fall head over the heels for the guy and collectively back the guy like he's ours, and all those who threaten him will feel our wrath. We experienced this last year with Pablito (and a little Romo on the side).
And I know Jesús Guzman COULD be that kind of guy this season, but the chances of that are as good as the chances of Bruce Bochy passing up a situation to insert one of his savvy vets into the lineup during a double switch.
OK, so I know the dude ripped it up last season with the A's, destroyed the VWL, and has been raking ever since he joined this fantabulous organization of ours. I get that he could be "this year's Sandoval", and I know that he might very well be an upgrade over Travis Ishikawa, even when considering Ishikawa's sizable advantage defensively.
I also know that calling him up would probably not be the difference between playoffs/no playoffs but would unnecessarily burn yet another spot on the 40-man roster and start Guzman's service-clock time toward free agency sooner than need be.
I'm not going to delve into his minor league equivalencies (nothing to write home about) or what his projected performance would be if he were to be called up, because I don't want to try and get all math-y and frustrate the hell out of myself and all those of you who made it this far without changing the page. But if the above paragraph didn't sway you, then maybe this will: there's a guy on the active roster right now who could provide a poor-to-mediocre glove with a good, potentially very good bat. There is a guy. Right here.
Maybe Jesús will be a major force for the Giants in the future. I hope he turns out well for us. But as of now, I'd like to see another season's worth of production and improved defense before I see him in a Giants uniform.
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I also think it worth noting that we haven't learned everything about Ishikawa yet.
Ishikawa IS the guy with the job right now, and while that doesn’t have to be permanent, I also wouldn’t want to sack him before we have learned whether he can improve or not, in what ways can he be expected to improve, and so on. I just don’t think we know everything there is to know about that guy. I do, though, think we know everything about Eugenio Velez, and for good or bafflingly bad, there’s nothing else to know. I kind of think that of Burriss, too, frankly. But TI could still evolve. Can’t say he won’t. Yet.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 16, 2009 10:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Ishikawa at first for now
But I would REALLY like Guzman on the team instead of Richie.
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
by CB30 on May 16, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but an amusing threadjack would be "I would really like ___ on the team instead of Richie."
- Anne Hathaway
- Damon Minor
- rickets and/or scurvy
- subpoenas served
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by Mayor of 311 on May 16, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, yes, no, and yes.
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by neurofarm on May 16, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,yes, maybe, yes.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 17, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No-Low OBP, No Power. Would make showers interesting though :-)
No-Currently working at Home Depot In Canton, OH.
Yes- But only if it renders Richie and Juan unable to play.
Yes- On Bochy and Sabean leaving the team in the capable hands of Ron Wootus
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by nvsfg on May 17, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Wootus
/got excited. That should read Wotus
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by nvsfg on May 17, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carrot top
Yes I went there
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
by CB30 on May 17, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gross.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou. "He has some bat speed and the ball comes off the bat pretty well" - K.Law.
by BrianBokake on May 17, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see a Jesus/Travis platoon. It’d certainly make the team more interesting than Richie/Travis semi-platoon. But Jesus would have to play. I don’t want to bring him up and let him rot on the bench with Nate.
As for your Nate proposal. Duh. Stick Winn in CF and Nate in RF. If Big Papi can get benched in Boston, Rowand can get benched here (I don’t care what he did today. He fucking blows goats).
I’d also get demote Velez and bring up either Frandsen (for good) or Bowker.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 16, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
capricist.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 16, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d alsoget demotetrade or DFA Velez and bring up either Frandsen (for good) or Bowker.
Fixed that for you. Seriously, I just don’t see the reason to keep Velez. His two walk off hits aside, he makes errors in the field, he makes base running errors, and I get a queasy feeling in my stomach every time he steps on the field.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
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by nvsfg on May 17, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree re Velez. "You can't fix stupid." (My now Pavlovian response whenever Velez is mentioned)
His invidivual skills MIGHT improve marginally, but he overall is just never going to improve. He simply doesn’t understand the game, and thus he can’t think 2-3 steps ahead.
Like when he’s in the field and something “unexpected” happens (which itself is absurd, because there are only a few possible permutations when a batter puts a ball in play) and something gets a little out of the routine, he has NO IDEA where to go on the field. That’s not entirely due to lack of coaching or experience— someone who understands the game enough to play it professionally should know where to go on a grounder to RF with runners on this or that base. Holy flicking christo almighty.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 17, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“You can’t fix stupid”
Not a direct correlation, but I Coach Girls Fastpitch Softball, and for the first time in a long time I had players that fit into this category. Good athletes, but they are missing the neural synapses to complete the thought process. These three girls continued to make mistakes and errors in judgment that cannot be explained, as we have practiced situational play repeatedly. It just kills me every time
Generally, you can Coach around a lack of skill, or a lack of speed, or even a lack of power. You cannot Coach around stupid.
This is how I feel about Velez. It is just an impending sense of dread. Something bad will happen.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on May 17, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling if called up now Guzman might make Bowker’s first base glove work look good. I would rather Guzman is playing every day so he can get to a level that his stick could make up for defensive gaffs then we can talk platoons and competing for MLB play time. If we are lucky that point is only a couple months away.
I am right with you on Items B & C. As for Velez I still say he is fine on a 90+ loss team. This squad should not view itself as a 90+ loss team. I have enjoyed Velez but with Torres due back Frandsen makes much more sense than Velez.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on May 17, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s rumors that Jesus will be called up to DH in the interleague games. That’s a good start. Don’t give up on Ishi, but platoon them for now and if Jesus starts hitting and TI continues to struggle, then Jesus should start getting the bulk of the starts.
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by rxmeister on May 17, 2009 6:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. This is one of the only ways a 5' 10" father can have a 6' 10" son.
by Speedforthewin on May 17, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, I am not a Jesus freak.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 17, 2009 7:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At first, I didn’t believe in Jesus either, but now I’m beginning to see the light.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 17, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve really come around on guzman. For some reason I thought he was a lot older than he is.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on May 17, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if papers/websites will print his quotes in red.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 17, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They will be translated into New International Version.
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by Natto on May 17, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great. Getting us even further from the original meanings.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 17, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll stick with the Lebron James version
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on May 21, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude had two good seasons – as a 24 year old in his third year in AA, in a crazy hitters league, and as a 23 year in his second year in A+, after he had spent the two year before it in AA. I’d stick with Ishikawa for now.
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by Cookyman on May 17, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As said before, if it’s Ishi down for Jesus, I’m “ehhh”.
If it’s Aurilia DFA’d for Jesus, I’m “woohoo!”
I still would like to see him up, though, especially if Ishi continues to be the worst first baseman in baseball far and away. The excitement that comes from watching an exciting, competent hitter like Pablo vs. an automatic out like Ishikawa is pretty big for me. And I don’t really buy the service clock thing. That’s only something you worry about with a can’t miss prospect, not someone who could be awesome or could be lol. And the 40-man roster? You really think we’d miss Bocock?
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by Sammy Danger on May 17, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see that piece in the chronicle (was it by jenkins?) saying how pretty much anyone can play first base? I’m not sure if molina can play first, but I know I don’t want to find out. The writer laughs off the importance of range and footwork at first base – I agree that it’s not the most important defensive position, but that doesn’t mean you can stick anyone there and not expect to lose some serious runs.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
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by raisingcain on May 17, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I did not have any luck finding anything on this online, but does the whole service time time thing work differently if someone is signed as a minor league free agent. I can’t find anything regarding it, but have to imagine it to be the case.
P.S. If a spot opens up on the 40-man roster, I say it’s worth it to let him DH during the interleague stretch in June.
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by Scottsdale on May 18, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, he’s never been optioned, but I’m not sure if the options start when he was internationally signed or drafted or whenever he’s added to the roster.
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The minor league service time works differently, but if the Giants put him on the 40-man and in the majors, it works exactly like it does for every other rookie.
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by groug on May 18, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think random GIS searches are the MCC meme that just won’t die (but probably should).
by chilibean_3 on May 18, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
I did a GIS for “random GIS,” and McC was one of the first results. This was the image.
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by Natto on May 18, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Guy
looks more like a ProSports Daily Forum poster :-)
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by nvsfg on May 18, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We win!
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by WalrusMan on May 18, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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