The Jonathan Sanchez Paradox
by Grant Brisbee on May 15, 2009 1:57 PM PDT
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PrintWhen you are frustrated with Jonathan Sanchez's development and entertaining thoughts of trading him for a hitter, Sanchez's trade value is at its lowest. When Sanchez's trade value is at its highest, it's when he looks like a franchise pitcher, which is someone who shouldn't be traded away for what other teams would probably offer. Therefore, Sanchez will never be traded.
Is that about right? When I watch games like last night's, I'm convinced that Sanchez will always be a 5.00 ERA, 4.5 BB/9 pitcher who eclipses 100 pitches before the sixth inning of every game he starts. But there's no way that I'd trade him now, as he wouldn't bring back a worthwhile first baseman. So I'll just hope he pitches like he did last July. But if that Sanchez shows up for good, there's no way I'd trade the guy.
A couple of weeks ago, someone innocently asked whose starts we looked forward to more: Barry Zito or Jonathan Sanchez. A postalanche ensued, with everyone who had access to a keyboard voting for Sanchez. The numbers might be a little different if the question were asked again....
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This game often makes me feel very stupid.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 15, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Without a doubt I’d vote Zito now. I now sort of dread Sanchez starts.
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
This is a humbling game
Much more so when you post on message boards about why you know more about the game than the GM / Manager.
Sanchez has had one nice month in MLB
It is getting close to fishing or cutting bait time with the brother as the #5 starter. In his seven starts believe the team record is 1-6. Maybe Sandoval/Holm could catch a start so Sanchez would be more focused than relying on BMoney to guide him through the rough waters.
I am willing to try different options even a return to Fresno or the bullpen if that is what it is going to take to get the kid to focus and deliver.
I don’t know what your basis is for “one nice month” is. He’s had six months where he’s pitched at least 10 innings with a sub-4.00 ERA:
June 2006 – 0.00
June 2007 – 1.74
April 2008 – 3.48
June 2008 – 3.10
August 2008 – 3.75
April 2009 – 2.60
The Giants are 1-5 in games he’s started this year, 2-5 in games he’s pitched in. One of those losses came in a game where he didn’t give up any earned runs, though.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I'd definitely say Zito too.
Also, random question, and I’m not trying to bury the guy with basically unimportant details, but does anyone else get a weird off-the-field vibe from Sanchez? It’s just that in between his starts the camera crews are always showing the other starters, huddled together, joking or learning from guys like Zito or Randy Johnson… but it seems like I never see Sanchez in the mix. Also, Baggs’ blog from after yesterday’s game seemed like he was trying to suggest Sanchez might need a kick in the rear to get going… anyone else getting these vibes, or am I just reading too much into things?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 15, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions
Cliques
All the other starters are white. Bet Sanchez feels more comfortable with BMoney, Valdez etc
Sanchez’s English doesn’t seem to be that great, but it’s more than that. His body language is terrible, which is why I think Krukow always hammers him when he loses focus on the mound (well, that and Kruk keeps imagining how good he’d be if he was reincarnated as a lefty with Sanchez’s stuff).
Still, he’s a fifth starter and as far as fifth starters go he’s OK. If I have to watch even one Patrick Misch start this season I’m going to fire my remote control through my television. I want to give Sanchez at least a couple more months, although he looks more and more like he’s destined to move from being a starter to a 7th/8th inning reliever, like Affeldt.
If the Giants somehow found an offense and made it to the playoffs, I wouldn’t mind seeing Sanchez in the bullpen as a situational guy. Wow, that last sentence really sounded delusional. Maybe I should sit the next couple of plays out.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
If I have to watch even one Patrick Misch start this season I’m going to fire my remote control through my television.
This.
by The Double Deuce on May 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno, I’ve seen him chatting a bit with some of the guys.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve always thought he was bit soft mentally. He just doesn’t seem intense enough, or that he cares what happens either way. Far be it from me to question someone’s gamerocity but it’s just my off the cuff perception. It was nice to see him show some emotion and anger when he slammed his glove in the dugout. Like another John once rasped “get pissed, destroy!!!!”
leather dye bias
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 15, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh
Maybe Sanchez will find a balance between Good Dirty and Bad Dirty to overcome the paradox
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
It is often the case
I know it wasn’t that popular (even with Grant validating it) but I still see a lot of Randy Johnson in Jonathan Sanchez. He likely will never be as good as Johnson at his peak, simply because of the different body types, but the other things there (the swing-through stuff, the arm angle, the control issues) are very reminiscent of RJ.
And Randy Johnson was 29 when he finally put it all together. According to RJ, it was talking to Nolan Ryan that got him to figure things out. Of course, it doesn’t look like having Randy Johnson on the same team has helped at all, so far.
Oh, and Sanchez was kind of unlucky last night (the one bad inning aside).
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
Sanchez would have to be willing to listen. it sounds like he might not be.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on May 15, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I need a key or something...
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
It’s like Tetris but without the fun.
by The Double Deuce on May 15, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s missing a green block. That’s the answer to all this…MORE GREEN BLOCKS!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You must’ve scored in the 90 percentile on your SATs, didn’t you
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by Useful_Idiot on May 15, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
E! (ticket?) True Hollywood story
I had to take the SATs to apply to Stanford for this fall. I never took them in high school. I got a 1655 combined score on the reasoning test, as the test is now out of 2400. I did well on the reading and the writing portions: 680 and 675 each. What was left over was my math score…300. And this was after I’d taken (and passed!) two college level math courses in the same year.
Math and I do not get along. Needless to say, I did not get into Stanford. They don’t take retards like me.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
bah. Stanford kids are still retards, just a different kind of retard.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Well I’m eyeing Syracuse for grad school and I’m worried they won’t take a tard from a public state school who can’t do maths.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot of grad programs require you to take the GRE but don’t actually give a shit about your score.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
One of my friends had her application rejected at UW-Madison. She’s ridiculously smart, way smarter than I am. So I’m worried.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, SATs are different from when I was in high school.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Sometime after 2000, the year I graduated from HS.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes after 2005, the year I graduated from HS.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
My class used that terrible Green Day song. You know the one. The one every cheesy TV show used and every graduating class used.
ditto.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Which one was that? I remember the class before (’99) had that Baz Luhrmann thing about sunscreen.
Adopted Giant: John Bowker, who is currently walking wild over the PCL.
by rightcenterfielder on May 15, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Time of Your Life (Good Riddance)
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
For some reason, I don’t associate that song with that time period, probably because it’s still heard and overused to this day.
Adopted Giant: John Bowker, who is currently walking wild over the PCL.
by rightcenterfielder on May 15, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe he’s referring to that really trite graduation song by Vitamin C that was EVERYWHERE in 2000.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I’m sensing a get rich scheme in the making. Let’s pool our collective talents and compose a cheesy graduation song for the masses, we can then use the profits to go buy ourselves a homerun hitting first baseman.
Only if we get Omar Vizquel to sing.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve forgotten there is such a thing.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Naw, Sabean would swipe the funds and bring in Zombie Mike Hardgrove v 2.0. You know the version without the walks.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
I still have that song on some mix cd somewhere
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Right, how could I forget that one? It was only on the radio all the time.
Adopted Giant: John Bowker, who is currently walking wild over the PCL.
by rightcenterfielder on May 15, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I recall suggesting this song as our graduation song, but it got rejected.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on May 15, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s Another Brick In The Wall Part 2
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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Art school, ftw!
Seriously, I’m transferring out of a 4-year private institution on the east coast. I really need a change of scenery (AKA California, a school that specializes in my field, and not spending $5 trillion per semester at a place I hate).
I scored 2150 on the new SATs (but TANKED on the SAT 2s). Seriously can’t wait for art school
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McCC = McClain Chronicles
by Useful_Idiot on May 15, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh SATs don’t really matter if you have the grades. I scored a 2270 on them, but that doesn’t really mean anything because I was really sleepy that day from staying up all night playing games. Needless to say I probably should have retaken them. God, I was so lazy in high school.
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on May 15, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m trying to figure out how this works
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
it’s not actually a triangle
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
more specifically
the angles on the red and blue blocks are different.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
My brain can’t grasp the concept of how one works and one doesnt.
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
also unnecessarily confusing
Math and Jonathan Sanchez share this quality.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Red triangle’s hypotenuse has a slope of 3/8 = .375
Blue triangle’s hypotenuse has a slope of 2/5 = .4
There’s missing area along the two hypotenuses which adds up to the missing square.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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So these two hypotenuses walk into a bar…
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
And they see acute angle...
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 15, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
So one of them asks, “he baby can I SOCATOHA?”
Baseball is a lot like life. The line drives are caught, the squibbles go for base hits. It's an unfair game. -Rod Kanehl. Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis
“where’s that red one gonna go?”
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Jonathan suffers from a rare disorder combining symptoms of amnesia, dyslexia, and color-blindness, with a highly acute sense of hearing.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
It’s lupus! Oh wait, we’re not talking about Seal?
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Oh yeah? Take this:
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
And this...
Baseball is a lot like life. The line drives are caught, the squibbles go for base hits. It's an unfair game. -Rod Kanehl. Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis
One more then I'll leave...
Baseball is a lot like life. The line drives are caught, the squibbles go for base hits. It's an unfair game. -Rod Kanehl. Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis
lol yes
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn’t make for a good image, but when I was in high school, my friends and I always said that if you’re taking a standardized test where you have no chance at getting the answers, you should answer with ACDC BAD CAB. Or, if E is a possible answer, DAD BEDDED A BABE.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
If I were a teacher, I’d create a test where these were the answers.
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by Useful_Idiot on May 15, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Goes to show how terrible todays teachers are. There is no way a 3 kg object would be able to make it past that elephant.
you left a child behind your ass
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
That’s where it went! I thought I lost that little bastard.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn’t me.
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Terrible
but I lol’d
Baseball is a lot like life. The line drives are caught, the squibbles go for base hits. It's an unfair game. -Rod Kanehl. Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
>:\
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
YOURE WRONG
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I want to know what process she used to get 18 from that.
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I’ll always remember this one Spanish teacher who had about 17 C’s in a row as the right answer just to mess with us.
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on May 15, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
We had a history teacher that scheduled a huge test for 4/1. It was on the syllabus all semester, so we all thought it was legit. The last question of the test read:
APRIL FOOLS! Now that you know that this is a joke, please sit quietly and do not ruin it for the rest of the class
Baseball is a lot like life. The line drives are caught, the squibbles go for base hits. It's an unfair game. -Rod Kanehl. Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis
by j14 on May 15, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve had similar tests before. It usually says something like “Please read the whole test before starting it” in the instructions.
Judgment Day is coming
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yeah and there was just always ONE kid in the class who read all of them, and he got a huge ego as a result
by HeMissedTheTag! on May 15, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard of a test where the answer to every question was A. As I recall, everyone failed. And was very unnerved by the experience.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I got that email
couldn’t stop laughing after that one
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
kruk & kuip on sanchez in 2009
I have heard the following lines describing sanchez this year:
- he cant hit
- he cant bunt
- he cant run
- he has no pickoff move even though he is a lefty
- he is slow to the plate
- he has control issues
- he cant get out of jams
- he walks to many batters
- he has issues out of the stretch
+ he has a live arm and can be unhittable
sounds like a keeper! i wish he wouldve worked on 1-2 of those 25 flaws that he has
but hey, at least he has swing-through stuff.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on May 15, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The last one is really the only thing on that list that can’t be learned. (Or unlearned).
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Not sure I see him learning how to run.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
How about: the only one worth caring about that can’t be learned.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
But I want him to be Reuter and pinch run!
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Sanchez is the starter that frustrates Kruk the most because like us, he sees the tantalizing potential and really wants him to live up to it.
Judgment Day is coming
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we are all Kruk
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on May 15, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
One thing you have to keep in mind is that he is a 5th starter. I’m too lazy to do check but I’ll bet he’s at least as good as an average 5th starter.
He is...
I wrote something detailing all the fifth starters in the National League a week and a half ago. The only fifth starters in the NL that are clearly better than Sanchez right now are Dave Bush and to a lesser extent Sean Marshall, although Sanchez is struggling right now.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez is a 6th starter, at best
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by Useful_Idiot on May 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Then what’s Chan Ho Park, a 7th starter?
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I did a quick and dirty (heh) look around the depth charts on MLB.com and the best fifth starters I could come up with are Dave Bush, Jeff Weaver, Joel Piniero (until he falls apart again), and the winner, Micah Owings. The rest ranges from meh to bleh.
In this study I found that the Reds have a ridiculous rotation. Harang, Volquez, Arroyo, Cueto, Owings? Goddamn.
Some teams don’t have their fifth starter listed, with a SP on the DL such as Arizona and Brandon Webb or Florida and Anibal Sanchez. Astros are using Roos Ortiz as their fifth starter lol. I also learned that the Yankees are using Burnett as their fourth starter and it pained me to know another team signed an overrated pitcher to a fat deal and stuck him in the back of the rotation just like the Giants!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Arroyo’s been awful this year though.
Take that, Reds!
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oops HAVOC
Owings kinda sux tho
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
i dunno, i kinda like watching sanchez pitch
cause when he is on he has nasty stuff. but that is also why he is extremely frustrating…
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
I’ve always wanted to participate in a postalanche.
Alas, I have no opinion.
Therefore, suck it, Russell Martin.
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
when in doubt
1) Suck it, [insert hated player]
2) Fuck the Dodgers
3) BEAT LA
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It’s worth noting that, as frustrated as we all are with Sanchez right now, he’s still doing okay as far as fifth starters go.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I seem to be the only person who remembers his good years and not his bad years. Everyone else is the other way around.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I remember the good years. And then had my spirit crushed by the bad years. Ergo, bad years win in first memory recall.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
Or Trevor Wilson…
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Or Salomon Torres.
Yeah, I went there.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Other candidates
Shawn Estes
Jamie Brewingon
Joe Rosselli
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Ainsworth pitched pretty well as I recall. It was a freak shoulder injury that killed him.
Jerome Williams is another candidate.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
God, yes.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
And for different reasons, Atlee Hammaker
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike LaCosse
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Kelly Downs
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
and Scott Garrelts, who should have dominated.
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Although he had a very respectable Giants career, Russ Ortiz belongs in this category, too.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
His career wit the Giants was exactly 5 outs too short.
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
WALK AWAY SLOWLY FROM THIS TOPIC.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT COLLECT $200.
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I have no memory whatsoever of whatever you’re talking about.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
Damn, what just happened there? I saw a flash of light, felt an anal probe and then awoke to find myself sitting at my desk…
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
I saw a flash of light, felt an anal probe and then awoke to find myself shitting at my desk…
Fixed.
by The Double Deuce on May 15, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
He did in 1989
or maybe it was 1988…
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
1989
He lead the NL in ERA and WHIP.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Sounds like someone was missing out on the Excitement That Was Osvaldo Fernandez.
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Yeah, I would hate to have been stuck with Van Landingham when you could’ve seen Jamie Brewington, Mark Portugal, or Segio Valdez!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I went to an Orel Hersheiser against the Dodgers start. I did not appreciate the irony at the time.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
He’s wasn’t a starter, but the dude I used to dread coming in to pitch was Alan Embree. Well, unless he was “pitching” for the Padres.
Two fascinating things about Alan Embree
1) We traded him for a guy named Hasselhoff
2) Somehow, he’s STILL PITCHING.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I’m pretty sure that he’s better than Pat Misch and Kevin Pucetas.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
BUT NOT MATT PALMER
GIANTS BRASS!!!!!!!!!!!!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I think I can't decide this until Jonathan gets a twitter account.
Sir Alex Omar Hinshaw: It's not right if it's not left.
That and stories about shopping for white suits and alligator shoes.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Rampant footwearism.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 15, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
lol and lol
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
I’m still fine with sticking with him a bit longer but, like I said before, I won’t have any problem moving Jonathan to the bullpen (or trading him) now when MadBum and/or TimA are ready.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I guess it comes down to whether you’d prefer a consitently OK 5th starter, or a sometimes stellar and sometimes awful one. Seeing as the Giants can’t hit, I feel like we need a stellar pitching performance in order to have a shot at winning.
Still, I’m hoping that he starts throwing better towards the midpoint of the season, at which time we trade him. Inconsistency in a pitcher drives me crazy. I’m not saying he needs to consistently throw 6 innings of shutout ball each start, but he’s way too topsy turvy for my comfort.
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Maybe I’m the pesimest of the group, but I’ve always been concerned about the lack of a true secondary pitch. So for me I vacillate between Sanchez Good = Trade, Sanchez Bad = Convert to Closer.
I think the ritualistic aspects of preparing to close (see: Hoffman, Papelbon) would help him repeat his delivery more consistently and not seeing a batter twice in a game would mitigate the lack of a secondary pitch.
Wisconsin: Famous for dairy, Ryan Rohlinger and not much else.
Sometime in the late innings of last night’s game, I dropped Jonathan Sanchez from my fantasy team. It was just too frustrating an experience listening to/watching his starts in 2009.
I now expect him to win his next 5 starts, strike out double digits per game, and have an ERA under 2.
Problem solved, folks.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
Maybe his league has a cap on moves?
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
That kind of league would kill me. Except for this season, I’ve had the most transactions in every fantasy league I’ve ever been in.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
There’s no cap on moves. One guy turns over half his roster every week.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
A couple years ago someone in my fantasy football league picked up every team defense that was facing the 49ers that week. Pretty good strategy, especially when the starting QB was Trent Dilfer or Chris Weinke.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on May 15, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
But that one game against the Cardinals must have made him feel like a chump!
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I never thought I’d say this, but, Zito. Zito. Zito. Zito.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 15, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions
The Plan
Keep Sanchez as starter this year, we don’t have a replacement anyway. Trade him only if we’re out of the race and he’s way over-pitching his peripherals, or generally if someone is willing to overpay. Otherwise we do this:
If both MadBum and Alderson are looking major league ready or close to it, and:
- Sanchez pitches well in 2009, proving that he can be a reliable starter: Put Sanchez and MadBum in the rotation, move Alderson to the bullpen, eventually make him the closer and trade Brian Wilson for a bat.
- Sanchez pitches like he did last year, dominant at times, but seems to have stamina problems: Put Alderson and MadBum in the rotation, make Sanchez the closer, trade Brian Wilson for a bat.
- Sanchez regresses, never manages to overcome the control problems he’s had so far: Put Alderson and MadBum in the rotation, either move Sanchez to the bullpen or trade him, depending what we’re offered.
If one of MadBum or Alderson isn’t looking major league ready or close to it (but the other one is), and:
- Sanchez pitches well in 2009, proving that he can be a reliable starter: Keep Sanchez in the rotation. Add the part of Bumderson that’s ML ready to the rotation.
- Sanchez pitches like he did last year, dominant at times, but seems to have stamina problems: Add the part of Bumderson that’s ML ready to the rotation. Try to find another starting pitcher. If we find one, make Sanchez the closer, and trade Brian Wilson for a bat. If we don’t find one, just keep Sanchez in the rotation.
- Sanchez regresses, never manages to overcome the control problems he’s had so far: Add the part of Bumderson that’s ML ready to the rotation. Really try to find another starting pitcher. If we find one, either move Sanchez to bullpen or trade him, depending on what we’re offered. If we don’t, give Sanchez another shot at starting. But really, try to find another starter.
If both MadBum and Alderson aren’t looking major league ready or close to it, and:
- Sanchez pitches well in 2009, proving that he can be a reliable starter: Keep Sanchez in the rotation. Find another starter.
- Sanchez pitches like he did last year, dominant at times, but seems to have stamina problems: Keep Sanchez in the rotation. Find another starter.
- Sanchez regresses, never manages to overcome the control problems he’s had so far: Umm, oops? Find another starter and give Sanchez another shot at starting. It sucks, but hey, that’s life.
It’s far from perfect, but it’s what I’ve got so far.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
Long post is long.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry. Because he was awesome once, and, goddammit, he shall be awesome once again!
I hope.
how was that not written by OGC or sharksrog?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
the bullet points give it away.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on May 15, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. Also, we should trade Brian Wilson for a bat.
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 15, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather not
Thinking of it that way requires me to remember Jamey Wright.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
I'm just happy Pat Misch hasnt gotten a start this year
though the one relief appearance did piss me off
Poor Man’s Oliver Perez is inconsistent?! No way!!!
I say trade him if you can get a decent player or prospect in return, but that seems unlikely. So try to keep him in the rotation until he pitches his way out of it and ends up in the bullpen, which seems like his eventual destination.
Oliver Perez is now the rich man’s Jonathan Sanchez. Or at least wishes he could be. Good lord does Perez suck.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
This really upset me:
From last night write-up of the game on sfgiants.com
Sanchez had an intriguing explanation for his deficiency in this phase of the game.
“I never had time to work on it in the Minors,” he said. “I just have to work on it.”
WHAT?
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 15, 2009 4:56 PM PDT reply actions
he didn’t allow as many runners when he was the minors.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 15, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm done with dirty.
He had a comment after the May 4th Cubs game, when Theriot hit a 2-run bomb to left off him, that was essentially “I had no idea that he was swinging the bat well”…
Theriot had 3 homers in 4 games, at that point. And after that homer, 8 rbis.
If you’re pitching that day, feel free to look up which guys have been “swinging the bat well” recently…
Nothing wears out my patience faster than someone playing the “i didn’t know” or “how would you expect me to know” card?
Something along those lines was said on KNBR this morning. I think on the Kruk/Kuip show segment. Someone was saying that Sanchez’ development was rushed. The explanation was something along the lines of: “If you are a left handed pitcher who throws a 95 mph fastball, you’re going to be rushed.”
So he didn’t have time to work on a lot of the things he should have worked on in the minors. Anybody else hear that this morning? Man, this morning seems like eons ago!
Baggs' Lineup
2B Burriss
LF Lewis
3B Sandoval
C Molina
RF Winn
CF Rowand
1B Ishikawa
SS Uribe
P Lincecum
Bowker, Frandsen, Guzman > Lewis, Velez, Ishikawa
I like the lineup that has Fred Lewis hitting second for the Giants.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I would have been happy to trade Sanchez any time last season or during the off-season. His inconsistency is maddening, and I don’t see it going away. If he happens to master his control for a few games, enough to garner some interest, trade his ass for a 1st baseman who can hit the damn ball.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
Several Ideas
Hank Blalock: Meh
Dan Uggla: Perhaps, but we might need to give more
Adam Laroche: Maybe
I dont know, Im just pretty bored, and Sanchez is annoying me. It would probably be better to wait till the end of the season.
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
I figure if he’s just an average 5th starter, then we can probably pick up one of those easy, and if someone thinks he has potential, enough so to give us a little bit of value in return, then we should take it. If he does well somewhere else, fine. But I suspect he’d just give another team some heartburn.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
I’ve long suspected Hank Blalock is just the kind of player who would hoodwink Sabean into thinking he’s good.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on May 15, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
This. This. This. This . This.This. This. This. This . This.This. This. This. This . This.This. This. This. This . This.This. This. This. This . This.This. This. This. This . This.This. This. This. This . This.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
Eh.
Either he makes it and we have another ace, or he flops and we replace him with Alderson or Bumgarner after a year or two.
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The thing that has me intrigued about tonight’s Livan vs. Giant’s O matchup is that one of Livan’s biggest strengths is his ability to change speeds and so that batter’s are off-balance and can’t hit the ball squarely. The Giant’s seem to have the perfect counter for this because they almost never hit the ball squarely or for power. Maybe the Giant’s fail will work to their advantage tonight.
From an outside perspective, Timmy v. Livan looks like an epic mismatch
But we know that this isnt the case, (Im talking to you Giants offense)
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
OMG JORGE DE LA ROSA
Dude is DEALING lately
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
where are the humorous tags?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
LOLineup
2B Burriss
LF Lewis
3B Sandoval
C Molina
RF Winn
CF Rowand
1B Ishikawa
SS Uribe
P Lincecum
by Lars The Wanderer on May 15, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions
Wow Uribe at SS
Wow. God fucking damnit.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
At the moment, it’s probably either that or Bruriss at SS and Velez at 2B.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I was actually expecting this, and relieved that it hasn’t happened (yet).
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
Would you rather have Burriss at short and Uribe at second? Cause that would be an even bigger defensive downgrade (Burriss is better defensive second-baseman that shortstop). Oh, and this lineup has no Velez, so I’m okay with that.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Late
but no, I’d rather have Frandsen at short and Velez in fresno
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on May 16, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Baggs says no DL for Renteria yet and they might fast track Villalona
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
In my desperation to not overstate things I might have gone too far the other way
they might fast track Villalona
This, uh, is not a good idea.
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Oh good
The Bocock/Burriss treatment
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
Uh, this.
Angel is the one player that cannot be fast-tracked. He is not yet a hitter. He is a swinger.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
what. the. fuck.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I reiterate
What the fuck are they fast tracking him for? For Jesus and God’s sake just bring up Guzman and have him at first if the situation is that dire.
I swear to god if they do what I think they’ll do I’ll just end it all.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I swear to god if they do what I think they’ll do I’ll just end it all for Sabean and Bochy.
FYP?
(Don’t tell me if I’m right. Leave no evidence.)
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Have fun in xanthan’s jail cell!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
no one here gets out alive
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 15, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
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