"A Stage in His Career"

I usually like Schulman alright, but this is just silly:

"For the most part, the steals did not hurt Nen. However, Wilson is at a stage in his career in which he allows more baserunners than Nen did, so he needs to be conscious of it."

WTF?

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I don’t get it? What’s your issue?

by dogdays on May 15, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Euphemism Usage

But maybe you’re right.

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by hairball on May 15, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The stage of his career in which he plays professional baseball.

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by EliminateMe on May 15, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rob Nen career WHIP 1.23
Brian Wilson career WHIP 1.383

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by xanthan on May 15, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah my point was that suckiness should not be couched as something else

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by hairball on May 15, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nen did have a season with the Giants where his WHIP was almost 1.50, though.

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by jcb9 on May 15, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

However, he also had three where he had silly low WHIPs of 1.030, 0.947 and 0.848.
Last year, in Wilson’s first year as closer, his WHIP was 1.444.

Looking at it that way, I think it’s clear that Nen had a lot more room to get away with not being able to contain base running.

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by Scottsdale on May 15, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would never even consider arguing that Brian Wilson is anywhere close to as good as Robb Nen.

by jcb9 on May 15, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This whole thing is silly and an overreaction. Did anyone think there was a problem with the way Wilson held runners on before last night? Not only that, but Carlos Beltran was out on that steal of third and the ump missed the call. As for the Nen comparisons, yes, Nen was much better than Wilson, but Nen was just horrible at holding runners on, and Wilson is not. When Nen walked someone, it was a triple.

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by rxmeister on May 15, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not sure if he was out or safe, but as long as I’ve been alive umps make those calls based on tags. Tag somebody on the upper leg (as Panda did) and you get a safe call 100% of the time.

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by Roger on May 15, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looking at the replays, Beltran was out – Sandoval tagged the calf before the foot touched the base and the ump had a crappy angle on it.
What really hurt was the concentration lapses after the blown call. I think he was a bit rattled and that worries me almost as much as his penchant for allowing baserunners.
I agree Wilson is no Nen – yet. I still have high hopes, but I think he has a lot of maturing to do as a pitcher (and otherwise).

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by Johnny Disaster on May 15, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

Robb Nen is one of the best relief pitchers this franchise has ever had, Brian Wilson is a slightly above average relief pitcher. Let’s never compare them at all.

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 15, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't even compare Wilson to Frod at this point.

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by Bhaakon on May 15, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Greg Minton?

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by Smotheredinhugs on May 18, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

With the caveat that that’s comparing 700+ IP to 130.

by Roger on May 15, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, that’s fine. In his age 23 season Nen had pretty bad control (7.4 walks per 9) but in his very next season he took a major step forward with his control, posting BB/9 rates in the 2’s 6 out of the next 9 seasons.

Brian Wilson had a BB/9 of of 4.0 in his age 26 season in 2008. His walk rate has been better this season (3.2 walks per 9) but it’s still a pretty small sample. I think if Wilson could ever improve his walk rate in the same fashion that Nen did, he could take a pretty nice step forward.

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by xanthan on May 15, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you coming up for any of the games with the Nats in a couple weeks?

by Roger on May 15, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was hoping I’d be able to but since the games are in the middle of the week I’m not sure I can get off of work. Bummer.

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by xanthan on May 16, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is a bummer. The Nats nicely came round and knocked on my door recently and gave me a bucket load of free ticket vouchers, so I think I might be able to be there all three games.

by Roger on May 18, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs