Post-Game Recap: Giants beat the Dodgers in 41 innings
by Grant Brisbee on May 10, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
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PrintShow of hands: How many of you knew the Giants wouldn't win after the eighth inning, when the Giants had the bases loaded and no out, but only scored one run? Yeah, me too.
It's so, so good to be wrong.
The Dodgers would have loved to take this series and say, "See? See? We don't need Manny Ramirez." Nope. Mother's Day is for people with mothers, or at least mothers that don't try and eat their young. Not for Dodgers. Not for their fans.
Also, Emmanuel Burriss: .290 hitter. I rarely say I told you so, but I think I'm justified here. I told you so, haters.
If you want a sniff of where this was going if the Giants had blown this game, there's some more after the jump. Oh, how silly that pessimism seems now. Another series win. Road woes forgotten. Whoop!
The Giants have had a bases loaded/no outs situation six times this year, and they've scored a total of seven runs. Only once have they scored more than a single run -- a three-run explosion against the Cubs on May 5th.
Bases loaded situations are kryptonite for the Giants. Wait, that would imply special powers. Bases loaded situations are salt shakers to the Giants' banana slug. The full list:
4/19 - 4th inning - 1 run (Ishikawa sac fly, Renteria single with Molina running, R. Johnson K)
4/21 - 3rd inning - 1 run (Burriss DP, Winn flyout)
5/5 - 8th inning - 3 runs (Rowand double, Winn single, Uribe fly, Sandoval DP)
5/7 - 7th inning - 1 run (Sandoval flyout, Molina groundout, Winn groundout)
5/10 - 8th inning - 1 run (Aurilia K, Schierholtz sac fly, Lewis K)
Even with an offense as wretched as this one,this kind of thing is a fluke. It might make me want to strangle a kitten or two, but I'm still calling fluke. At some point, a broken-bat hit will fall, the pitcher will bean a Giants' hitter, or a catcher's interference call will get a second run home. It's only a matter of time, folks.
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Burris gotta go
Man that game was draining but it was soooooooo worth it. I will be walking on cloud 9 for the rest of the day and probably most of tomorrow.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
also
got to say, it was looking grim but way to make a fucking statement there by taking 2 of 3. I am very pleased.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
also also
4-3 road trip fuck yeah
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Was it also shown on the Bay Area broadcast of Blake doing the Wilson cross over his chest when he records the save? On the LA broadcast they showed him doing it in the dugout right before they broke to commercial.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
NM. This is mentioned many times below.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Was going to use this for the third inning, but Lincecum wasn’t really doing too hot.
I’m pretty sure I lost a few years off of my life, but I’m happy now.
Judgment Day is coming
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I knew something looked different about him.
Adopted Giant: John Bowker, who is currently walking wild over the PCL.
by rightcenterfielder on May 10, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
“Mr. Groeschner? Sir? Can you help me? I’ve got this forking pain in my ankle…”
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on May 10, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Pleez, Randy, pitch a complete game tomorrow.
Sir Alex Omar Hinshaw: It's not right if it's not left.
biggest win in I don’t know how long. They just refused to lose that game, no matter how many things went wrong
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
same here
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It’ nice to actually win a game we didn’t really deserve to win.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Add 2 more infield hits to the Giants resume’ in that 13th inning…Its amazing how pathetic they are!! But, hey…I’ll take it!! HUGE HUGE HUGE win!!
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on May 10, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I still call fail for the team denying Lincecum a win.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 10, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions
they get credit for getting him a no decision
Timmy losing to Jeff Weaver would have been a major downer
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
Why? He didn’t pitch great. Had no decision written all over.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Quality start!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 10, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
because you simply have to win a game where you have a starting pitching advantage like that. It would be demoralizing to lose that matchup.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
Yeah like
Jonathan Sanchez v. Eric who?
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant: Please consider writing long posts for this week about how Randy Winn, Fred Lewis and Aaron Rowand were rushed to the big leagues and need to be sent down to Fresno for further seasoning.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
That’s not how it works. I committed Earnest Ragging, and now I look like a fool. You can’t plan for Earnest Ragging; it just happens.
by Grant Brisbee on May 10, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"Earnest Ragging"...nice
…Tip of the hat to EEEEEE!
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
soooo...
the travis ishikawa renaissance should be coming any day now, right?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 10, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
(tm) infringement
Earnest Ragging is my porn name.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on May 10, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes sir.
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on May 10, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
scenes from the Giants clubhouse
Adopted Giant: John Bowker, who is currently walking wild over the PCL.
by rightcenterfielder on May 10, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way, I was watching the game with m family, with it being Mother’s Day and all. How many f-bombs were there in the gameday threads?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on May 10, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Um , yeah. About that.
I posted that paean to my Mom , then copied the add and sent it to her.
No e – mails out of NM yet…but it’s only a matter of time.
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on May 10, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
that is so cool and thoughtful
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 10, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t have McC open during games if my kids are watching for this very reason.
by paboperfecto on May 10, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
as long as you don’t have a boner…Yes
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on May 10, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
"Games lasting more than 4 hours require medical attention."
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Future "What to do with..." post ideas for Grant...
- “What to do with Travis Ishikawa”
- “What to do with Rich Aurilia”
- “What to do with Pablo Sandoval’s Strike Zone”
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
Sure he does!
It’s as big as all outdoors!! What he doesn’t have is a take zone.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
WE ARE ALL PABLO SANDOVAL’S STRIKE ZONE
by satyricrash on May 10, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
“What to do with Runners in Scoring Position”
This would actually be an educational post.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
That’s the chapter in the Giants Organizational Book that has yet to be written…
Proud parent of future rookie of the year, Gerald Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on May 10, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The only way Mother's Day can get any better is if...
…both the Celtics and Red Sux lose tonight. Please, Dog, I don’t ask for much.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 10, 2009 6:14 PM PDT reply actions
I mean, it might be hard to track the bounty hunter, but I’m sure he’ll be willing to make it happen.
Judgment Day is coming
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Red Sox suck
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Call it the Bill Simmons/ESPN Corollary
Tired of professional New England teams.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 10, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Me, too; same year. I claim the "childhood fan" exemption.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand’s two catches were h-u-g-e!
Solid team effort
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
Rowand
Dressed up Juan Pierre’s soft liner like a prom date
by Classy_Argonaut on May 10, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know how I would’ve gotten through this night if we didn’t win this one.
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 10, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions
Had the Giants lost, I guess I would have focused on Tim Alderson’s AA debut….6 2/3 no hit ball, walked 1 and struck out 10…It’s the little things in life that make me happy!!
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on May 10, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He loves pounding the strike zone. Good job Tim2
by SoFa King Mike on May 10, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The hat doesn’t help his cause either.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me, that was his debut in AA?
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 10, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I kid you not…I guess Alderson was sick of pitching in San Jose
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on May 10, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He was ahead of the hitters all day
only 3, 3 ball counts. 2 of which came in his last inning.
That’s very impressive.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG ALDERSON SUX SHULDA DRAFTED PORCELLO
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on May 11, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Post-game wrap is talking about how the Giants will lead the league in infield hits this season by at least 20.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
GROUND ATTACK!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
LOL picking bob howry
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on May 10, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
he had a great game!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Watching Bochy in the post-game show
He’s rather tipsy.
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)
Grant, missed one bases loaded situation:
4/7: Ishikawa triples, 3 runs.
That gave me so much empty hope for Ishikawa’s ability to hit, so I’ll never forget that one.
That happened with 2 outs, not 0.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on May 10, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh my bad, didn't see the "no outs" condition.
I can’t believe we’ve had bases loaded, no outs so many times this year. Not surprised that we only got so few runs though.
I am just saying 11-10 Vs the Bums from last All Star Break.
Squeal you lil’ pale blue piggies, squeal!
Where is my beer & chili dog?
we’ve won two series in a row against them since the opening sweep.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Least favorite players
1. Casey Blake
1a. Juan Pierre
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
fixed
Yeah but still hate the racist truck washing douchebag asshole, though in the end was a good Giant.
by SoFa King Mike on May 10, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
My hate for Jeff Kent has slightly subsided now that he is no longer a Dodger.
Judgment Day is coming
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I can’t lie, I still wear my Kent jersey.
And I have his Giants mcfarlane figure (lol?)
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on May 10, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Though he annoys the crap out of me, Blake has had very good ABs against SF pitching.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Anytime you display some unorthodox personal routine (Pirouette , anyone?) when the norm is NO display you invite criticism and disdain. And if you fail it’s going to be mocked.
By jackasses.
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on May 10, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep. Casey Blake can be a jackass at the same time, though.
by Grant Brisbee on May 10, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Per Baggs:
I can tell you this: The Giants have scored eight runs in this series: Five sacrifice flies, a bases-loaded walk, a bases-loaded dribbler (by Pablo Sandoval) and a clean RBI single (by Emmanuel Burriss).
Obviously, that was before Winn’s two-run knock. But still, wow.
INFIELD SINGLES AND SAC FLIES, THATS WHAT SAN FRANCISCO DOES
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
Ding Ding!
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on May 10, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The sac’s are very important, with a non-existent offense you have to do everything you possibly can to score runs. Anybody know what our success rate it with scoring runners from 3rd with less than two outs?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
it's just depressing
cause a runner on third with less than two outs just doesn’t happen all that often.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 11, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Burriss and Winn with 4 hits each
Word
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
I’m just going to say, I called Winn breaking out today. :)
And Rowand went 2-5 too, even though I think they were both bunt hits. THEY LOOK THE SAME IN THE BOX SCORE!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
those numbers in the paper..thats not baseball thats Sudoku!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 10, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
x2
and there was only one bunt hit
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
FUCK BLAKE
Something ugly apparently happened after today’s 7-5, 13-inning win. Dodgers third baseman Casey Blake apparently insulted Brian Wilson with a gesture.
One by one, the Giants visited Wilson in the clubhouse to console him after a friend sent to Wilson’s cell phone an image of Blake mocking the cross-armed gesture the closer makes after each save.
Wilson’s gesture partly relates to his religious faith and partly to his late father. Wilson seemed very distraught about the incident. As Tim Lincecum was about to address reporters, a team employee interrupted and pulled Lincecum away, presumably to talk to Wilson.
Wilson did not seem eager to discuss the incident. Asked if he might discuss it with Blake the next time they meet, Wilson stood silent while Jeremy Affeldt, standing in the next locker said, “Blake knew what he did.”
Blake, who homered against Wilson in the 12th inning to deal the Giant his second blown save, had left the clubhouse when two San Francisco reporters sought his response.
Does anybody have a pic of this. He better get one at the head next game.
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
I was being lame about this in the gameday thread but now I will say...
FUCK YOU CASEY BLAKE.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Thats a pretty douchebag kinda thing to do. I actually missed that part of the game, but heard about it on the postgame. Thank god they found a way to win.
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
I just saw the highlight
It was a pretty cheap homerun too, barely got out of the shortest part of the yard. If you really take a guy deep then you have a little room to show off, but come on,
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
Well, he’s Casey Blake so I guess he has to take what he can get.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Take one to the bean next time, maybe.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on May 10, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw this posted on another website in the Dodgers forum:
I’m digging Blake making fun of Wilson’s post-game x-man thing.
I didn’t actually see it though.
Hope you linked them to this: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2008/07/14/at-long-last-brian-wilson-reveals-the-meaning-behind-his-crossed-arms-gesture-after-he-saves-a-game/
Proud parent of future rookie of the year, Gerald Posey!
by GiantsFanInExile on May 10, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed this but seriously? FUCK YOU CASEY BLAKE
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 10, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
aah, the dodgers
The epitome of class.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
I saw it on TV when he did it, and started screaming at him, loud enough I think , for him to hear me all the way from Orange County.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
Blake
I hope Blake gets his will ready before facing WIlson in August, his boyfriend will appreciate this gesture.
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on May 10, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
What city are you in?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/index?
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
And here’s Baggs recap of the incident. Blake did this—directing it towards Wilson on the mound—as he sat down in the dugout immediately after hitting his HR in the 12th. I saw it when it happened and it really was classless. Ticked me off pretty good and got me screaming pleasantries through the TV screen at Blake.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
STFD
NOBODY has ownership of ANYTHING. BWillie does that crap after every save and it got old after the first time. Save that crap for the dugout. If you are going to do it expect you opponent to bring it.
It would not be so bad if it was just some pose he does cause he thinks its cool. If a pitcher were to cross himself after every save or K then a batter who hits a homerun off him mocks crossing him self people would be up in arms.
Oh Bullshit
Making fun of people between professionals is always bush.
Wilson has his thing for whatever reason. Blake made fun of it and that was extremely low-class. Shows a lack of respect.
If Wilson were crossing himself after each save (like many players do) and another player made fun of THAT, the christian coalition would be trying to prosecute the guy for a hate crime.
You may think Wilson’s thing is stupid – but another player making fun of it and clearly disrespecting Wilson shows a lack of professionalism and a lack of class.
And now Blake has egg all over his face – go figure.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+10000000000000
see post below
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
I interpreted it more as a Up Yours! than making fun of him.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake does his shit in the dugout b/c he doesn’t have the balls to do it in front of Wilson. Nuff said.
by i wish we were good on May 10, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you serious dude? Are you saying that mocking a gesture that pays respects to his late father and religion is okay? Wilson doesn’t do it to the dugout, he doesn’t point to any player when he does it, he doesn’t do it to disrespect the other team. For Casey Blake to show up Wilson’s religion and dead father is ridiculous and unnecessary. And I’m not sure how STFD applies…
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
Why the fuck does it matter where he does it. You get on guys for doing the sign of the cross after a base hit? Nobody would dare mock them.
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
I don’t think you’ve addressed the sign of the cross though yet wil. Would you mind someone doing some really big windmill of a gesture like the sign of the cross to a player who does that?
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen should be with the big team.
Wilriv Flow Chart
Logical Response?
No: take if off the field.
Yes: TAKE IT OFF THE FIELD!!!
→
Backed you into a corner?
No: take it off the field.
Yes: TAKE IT OFF THE FIELD!!
→
Still Talking?
Yes: Repeat
No: Repeat
last resort:
Homophobic comment about San Francisco!
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
So I suppose you are also offended by players
pointing to the sky after a hit, etc.
a huge majority of players express something subtly on the field. It’s part of the game.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
happiness is fine pointing to your dugout is fine. clapping is fine. But to then get mad at another team doing that is not fine
You are wrong here
time to accept that. What Blake did crossed a line of professionalism and class, and he can be expecting to have a nice big welt somewhere on him next time he faces the Giants.
Hopefully Johnson or Lincecum is pitching so they can make it count.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on May 11, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I lean more towards your line of thinking, but since we are not arguing scientific facts I’m not sure how you can say “You are wrong”. Wil has done a great job of arguing his side, the most you can say is that you disagree.
by paboperfecto on May 11, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont think
saying “TAKE IT OFF THE FIELD!!!!!” over and over is a “great job”. The Mayor has made actual good points on the subject.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on May 11, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats not how he chooses to honor his father. He wants to honor him on the mound immediately after the feat, same as a player who hits a home run crosses the plate then kisses and points to the sky thanking God or whoever. You would want them to wait till they get into the dugout or in the clubhouse or tunnel or whatever to do that?
Cut Wil some slack.
His Dodgers lost so he is obviously upset.
by Lars The Wanderer on May 11, 2009 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions
BURN
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on May 11, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I am with Wil on this. Yes, the gesture is for BW’s dad and religion and is important to him. While no one should every mock ones religion, I doubt Blake knew anything about it being sentimental (dude is a f’ing dodger, can’t be too bright. right?) and really wasn’t disrespecting BW.
What BW does isn’t really disrespecting either but once he does it in the playing field (even after a game) he has opened the door to be mocked. If Blake mocked something BW does in private then that is not cool, but to mock an onfield antic of BW is cool, in fact I expect it!
On another note, Joba’s K celebration is really annoying!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on May 11, 2009 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions
+1.
Also, I am fine with anyone who does say that all that stuff, including pointing at the sky and doing Christian crosses should be kept off the field.
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
by achiappanza on May 11, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. I would want them to wait. Exactly.
First, I completely support anyone’s freedom of expression— but freedom of expression does NOT carry a protection from criticism or mocking that expression. So, sure, Wilson CAN do whatever he wants, but he if it is going to be in public, then he has no right to be free from criticism/mocking.
But just from a strategic point of view, yes, it would be much smarter if Wilson didn’t make his vulnerabilities so public. Just basic intelligence should tell someone what NOT to reveal to adversaries.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
No hay de que. No hay de que.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
As opposed to your craptacular responses above.
Brian Wilson crosses arms after saves → Casey Blake mocks Brian Wilson after blowing Wilson’s save → Brian Wilson is offended and blows away the rest of the Dodger lineup for a win.
Casey Blake is a douche, but he’s also a loser. Case closed.
by CaliforniaBone on May 10, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
So do you approve of K-rod’s crazy fist pumps and exultations?
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Choke-Rod’s antics are amusing. It’s a joke.
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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I approve of all genuine, authentic, spontaneous displays of emotion. I condemn ALL premeditated, deliberate, choreographed displays on the field.
That goes for ALL of it— signs of the cross & pointing at the sky (Spoiler alert for Christians: Neither God the Father nor God the Son gives a shit about which players/teams do well, and They did not make the ball split the outfielders for your convenience). This includes Wilson’s X thing, which if it is a vulnerable thing for him, it would be intelligent not to publicize it so that your opponents can get in your head.
And no, I didn’t love Bonds’s pirouette at the time; seemed contrived & unnecessary. But Barry’s Barry, and by the time he had completed his home run trot, people had literally forgotten. (Joke re speed of his HR trots.)
But a genuine moment of excitement in a tense moment, or exulting in an achievement— if done tastefully, that’s perfectly fine and perfectly human.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
(Spoiler alert for Christians: Neither God the Father nor God the Son gives a shit about which players/teams do well, and They did not make the ball split the outfielders for your convenience).
Travis Ishikawa hates will pray for you.
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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't much matter-- he's required to forgive me.
(wry smile)
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by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I am thinking
he should spend more time praying about hitting the goddamned ball.
Or else switch Deities.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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My theological advice to Travis:
Switch deities, THEN spend more time praying about hitting the goddamned ball.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I’m just asking wilriv’s opinion since he seems to feel strongly about this matter. I’m not submitting my opinion.
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No
take it off the field. My basic point is treat your opponent with respect and do not show up. You can cheer your teams accomplishements and celebrate with respect. Whatever I do I must accept my opponent doing the same. Simple basic sportsmanlike stuff
So it’s clear, you don’t like any celebrations of any sort after finishing a game? Just curious.
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Whatever I do I must accept my opponent doing the same.
Brian Wilson and Casey Blake’s actions were the same, but the intent clearly was not. If Casey Blake wanted to honor his father, no one would have a problem with that. That is clearly not what he was doing, so it was not the same, so Wilson absolutely does not have to accept it.
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That assumes Blake knew the "intent" of Wilson's post-save gesture. I really doubt that.
So if Blake didn’t know the meaning of Wilson’s X thing, then it cannot intelligently be said that Blake was disrespect Wilson’s alleged honoring of his father— he didn’t know about that part. He was simply mocking a public, attention-drawing, quirky, self-indulgent, self-centered choreographed move that ONLY comes when the other team has suffered a loss. If you look at it from Blake’s perspective, it is still classless, but it just isn’t that big of a deal nor some kind of OMG!!1 insult to Wilson and his father.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Delurking
You’ve been very erudite with your views on this issue, and I certainly am far too quiet, being a lurker who doesn’t quite fit in with this site, to go up against you, but I feel behooved to ask if you’ve disliked Wilson’s display from the beginning. I suppose we’re going to get into the Grammy “I want to thank the Lord for giving me a gold record” thing, but it does seem that beyond the Blake issue, you feel that Wilson should not do anything. Which, actually, I generally agree about, but then it gets into matters of display of religion, and the tension between you should never display your religion in public and/or no one should ever prevent someone from doing so.
For the most part, yes; but I think you're conflating two issues.
Let me take them in reverse order: I was nodding up until your last 10 words— no, I don’t think anyone should prevent free expression of anything (except, of course, extreme examples where public safety is at issue; not applicable here). So I am not preventing.
As to whether I would personally prefer that Wilson not do anything and whether I have thought that from the beginning, pretty much yes. At first, before I knew the significance of it, I thought it was self-indulgent, kind of a rubbing-it-in-opponents-face thing (because he only does it when they lose, never when he blows a save or gets a hold), pretentious, contrived, etc. It is unnecessary, and was always bound to draw the attention of the opponent because, again, he only does that after the opponent’s loss. It was always going to piss someone off.
Then Wilson was all mysterioso for a long time about what it meant, and when he did go semi-public with it, he mentioned it to one reporter — not a San Francisco reporter, but a San Jose one — so that only the real cognoscenti would likely know about it. I am an avid Giants fan, but I don’t read Baggarly’s stuff, so I didn’t know about this for a long time. So we shouldn’t pretend that it is widely known Wilson’s reasons for what he does. It is discoverable, but I completely doubt that his opponents are doing that research.
I generally do think people should keep their religious observances private. In the case of Christianity, privacy actually IS what Jesus prescribed. As for the part of this that is a memoriam for his father, well, ok, but when one brings private stuff out into a very public forum — and again, the context is that he only flashes this after a loss by the other team — it runs the risk of bothering other people.
And the last thing I’ll say here is that if it bothers Wilson that others would have a negative reaction to his gesture, then it would be smart not to do it. If it doesn’t bother him that others would have a negative reaction, then fine. But it DID bother him; a lot. I have a lot of personal stuff that would really rattle me if you started bringing up and mocking, which is why I keep it private.
But yeah, pretty much, keep religious stuff off the field, out of awards shows, out of politics and public policy, and so forth. I freely admit that I would prefer that.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry to bother you. This topic is my personal X-gesture, the thing that gets to me right where I live, but if I pursue it it’ll be way off-tangent from this site. Or at least this thread. Thanks.
No bother at all!
I’m curious what you meant by “this topic” as something that gets to you— public displays of religion? Religion itself? Sanctity of one’s personal observances & rituals? I certainly understand if you want to leave it at that, of course. Take care.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Well … can open, worms everywhere … growing up in the Philippines, where Catholicism is interwoven into everything, coming to the U.S. as a college kid was a major shock. I’m very religious; aside from that, also very sensitive, as might be evinced by the last time I commented here. I also have this massive temper. So it’s been a significant challenge all these years to walk the line between self-respect, respect for others, and emotional stability. What can I say. What can’t I say. Should I just hide my faith and pretend I don’t have one, in case it offends others? But if I do show it, I’ll be mocked, and it hurts. Am I just a sissy for letting it bother me? It’s not a deal-breaker—I much prefer the U.S. to the Philippines; the climate alone, the ability to breathe, is worth almost anything—but when it comes up, I caught between speaking out and keeping peace.
Anyway, enough of this self-indulgence. I feel like a particularly extended spot for “Beyond Baseball!” If and when I find enough interesting lolcats and other macros, I’ll be less of a downer.
by shanghaijim on May 11, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
No it doesn't
The only assumption I made is that Blake knows the intent is not to show anyone up. He turns away from the other team and makes the gesture to centerfield and to the sky.
Wilson is not showing anyone up. Blake was showing him up. That makes it a different action.
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I personally like that type of stuff, it adds more fuel to the fire.
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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know, PA
I am not criticizing you, but you chided two people (that I am aware of) for their choice of words/images/metaphors in today’s gameday thread — which are words, after all — but then you call for a potential extremely injurious act to be done to another person. And for what? An insult?
Beaning is neanderthalic, and pure macho bullshit posturing. I’m not starting anything with you (and I have 3000+ comments on here showing that I’m not a flamethrower on here), but I have lost all respect for your objections to words/images/metaphors on gameday threads. Unless, of course, you would like to retract after giving it some thought.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
To respond to all your comments
To start, you’re right. I am a complete hypocrite for what I said. Stupid and unnecessary. I should have never brought up beaning in the head, just fucking sad that I said that after I responding to a similar comment somewhat harshly.
As for your argument, its compelling. I’m not saying Brian Wilson should or shouldn’t do his little gesture at the end of games. I’m just saying decent human being would disrespect a mans troubles like that. Fact is, whether Blake knew it was for his faith and dad is irrelevant, he completely showed up and opponent. And the fact that it has meaning for Brian made it even worse.
Sure Brian might be stupid for putting it out there, but Blake is an idiot for unnecessarily showing him up. You hit a home run, isn’t that fucking good enough for you, jeez. Now you have to kick the man while hes down for a gesture that has no relevance to you or the rest of your team. And Brian’s reaction to the whole ordeal makes it a bit sad to me, which is why I have such strong feeling about it.
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I just watched the video of Rowand’s catch on Loretta and that was a legit good catch.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
same with the one on Pierre in the 9th.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Most defintitlely
Gold glove caliber, but his arm looked bad as usual
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
If I was Casey Blake
I don’t think I would be insulting a dude who throws 100 mph and cleary doesn’t give a fuck. I would LOVE it if next series, Wilson just fucking BEANED Blake. That would be absolutely awesome.
Wilson’s show is cracking me up btw. He acts like several of my friends.
I mean, he seems kinda douchey
But in a good way. He actually reminds me a lot of my friend John.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too. It’s a pleasant surprise.
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lol
I have chalula in the fridge and I’m not a big fan.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m a ninja. hahahahahahahaha
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
Loving the rockband scene too
Singing to Weezer lol
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
CSN&Y
Crosby,Stills, Nash and You Tube.
Hi, I am Johnny Disaster.
by Johnny Disaster on May 11, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m hoping he gets one of those 5 game post-beaning suspensions. And hopefully he gets his money’s worth.
by i wish we were good on May 10, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck the Dodgers
part deux (this weekend)
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
Hopefully now we can beat up on the nationals
But it would just be like the Giants to go and get swept by a horrible team.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Something is strange about this season
It’s been kind of…fun.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
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STOP IT
What’s strange about this season is it’s May, and the Giants are 2 games above 500 and in second place…
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s fun in a tearing my hair out kind of way but I’m having a good time.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yeah
But the intensity is fun. Mostly because the Giants are winning most of these close games. I have no idea if it will last. But so far it’s been fun.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
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Fun? Is that one of those new slang words kids use these days?
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Question
Dunn, Burrell or Swisher were hypothetically signed in the off-season to play first base. How many more wins do the Giants have?
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
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Same with Dunn
Burrell has been terrible so far, slugging .315.
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I hope.
Why did they not sign Dunn?
Too much money?
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by bondslegend on May 11, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Randy Winn: doin it classy.
also, was something up with Timmeh today ?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
He was just human… he was having command issues. He still had a 7:1 K/BB ratio but I feel like he was having a hard time locating sometimes… 2 and 3 ball counts and some 2 strike hits.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
It would make me feel better if he whipped out one of those dominating Lincecum performances again.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
his last game was 7 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 7 K – that’s pretty dominating.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
he was behind the count all day long in that one too, and against the Cubs AAAA bench, too.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
And the results are still really good. Nothing to be worried about.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yes, very Classy victory today. I am sure Mrs. OJ was very happy about your son’s performance on this Mother’s Day.
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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Mrs. Orenthal James?
I guess you haven’t heard the news…
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I though there wasn’t a verdict yet….
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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it was guilty: Armed Robbery
Just a few years delayed.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed the game thread, but I assume you did not have to raise your voice much today.
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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t here today, but I listened to the game in the car, and had a feeling he’d be the one to twist the knife in the end.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
The Wilson x-thing
I thought people here were making fun of that recently along with the other ish, like the hair, Twitter, etc.
Maybe it’s one of those “I can insult him but you can’t” things. Which I understand very well!
Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)
It's one of those
We can basically make fun of anything we want on the internet. It’s different to do it between peers.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think we would have made fun of the x-thing, although I could have missed it as I’ve been busy lately. I know I’ve made fun of the hair and Twitte.
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I don’t really have a problem with anything Wilson does. Other than the blown saves.
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The Blake Affair
Blake has an opportunity to publicly apologize to Wilson, say that he knew nothing of the significance of the gesture, and underscore that his offense arose from an intense, competitive moment. While I believe that anything you do in front of high-definition TV cameras and 50,000 fans is subject to scrutiny and occasional uninformed mockery, an apology would be classy.
Of course, it would do nothing to change the fact that Casey Blake eats babies.
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There were 50,000 fans in Dodgers Stadium? Were they dressed like empty seats?
by SoFa King Mike on May 10, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah no shit
Sunday day game, beautiful weather – not a full section to be found :)
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I was rounding up
When you’re watching a game played at Dodger Stadium, you have to assume that most of the fans have not yet arrived, have left early, are stuck in traffic, are looking for parking, or are looking for a decent cocktail bar.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 10, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Which I think is pretty weak for a Sunday afternoon game against the Giants. Sure, it’s Mother’s Day, but c’mon.
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 10, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I have but one thing to say
If it was Wilson mocking Casey Blake, we’d be all “YEAAAAAHHHH BOY!”
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE
OKAY
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No, I don't think so
Remember the Sadler fist pump ?
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
That was the most ridiculous fist pump ever. It was like, “Okay, cool, dude is pumped” and then it just kept going.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
right, and he wasn't even Mocking Manny directly
But we all kinda thought he over did it.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
FIST PUMPING HIS WAY BACK TO FRESNO BABY
HEY GUYS ITS BILLY SADLER. REMMEBER THAT TIME I STRUCK OUT MANNY RAMIEREZ?
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
My thought on that: he’s Billy Fucking Sadler, how many HOFers do YOU think he’ll strike out?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Nah
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/8/9/590574/not-another-gameday-thread#8002787
Few people mentioned the fist pump, and non of the ones who did had anything bad to say about it.
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I hope.
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FIST PUMPING INTO THE WATER
YEAH GUYS LOOKOUT
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
ROIDS
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on May 11, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Kent
hit that homer the next inning and pointed right at him
by SoFa King Mike on May 10, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t you have done the same?
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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Me personally, no
I wouldn’t point. I’d let the scoreboard do the talking.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree (somewhat), but then sometimes it just feels like the right thing to do.
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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Ding Ding Ding
when Bonds did his piroutte (sic) McCoven loved it. If another team did that to SF we would have hated that crap
Again, I think you are wrong
That marked a specific event. I liked it when Henderson pulled out 2b too – even tho it was a little over the top.
And I really dislike the A’s.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
you respect your opponent and never show him up. McCoven would have demanded the pitcher bean that dancer the very next PA
not really
You respect your opponent, but when a player makes a significant accomplishment in the context of the game – the expression is no longer against the pitcher – it’s a general expression.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You are clearly missing the point
Also, his antics are annoying – not disrespectful.
he’s not making fun of other players – just confirming to the world that he is a tool.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I wouldnt love Wilsons antics if I were another fan but you NEVER fuck with somebody’s respects to a late family member or faith. Shit is off limits man.
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
and I wouldn’t mind if he stopped turning around to face the CF camera to do it.
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by achiappanza on May 11, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you really think Blake has any idea of the symbolism of his arm-cross thing? I wouldn’t bet on it.
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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Asked if he might discuss it with Blake the next time they meet, Wilson stood silent while Jeremy Affeldt, standing in the next locker said, “Blake knew what he did.”
My guess is that Affeldt wouldn’t say that unless Blake really did know, but if that’s the case then I really can’t imagine why Blake would do mock him for it.
by sfgiantsgirl on May 10, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he mocked him, I am not disputing that. There are 25 players on each team, so thats (I am not good at math) a lot of players. It is nearly impossible to know what each players little gestures mean. I highly doubt Blake has any clue as to why Wilson does his gesture after recording a save.
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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
It is inconceivable that blake knew the supposed symbolism of the gesture.
To most of the baseball world — including most Giants fans — it is just a quirky, self-indulgent, pretentious, mannered gesture. It is not off limits to be mocked.
Now, IF someone DOES know that it is, in part, homage to his father, then that person is a dick. But if Wilson doesn’t want to be mocked, then maybe he shouldn’t make such a public display out of something that is so private.
In terms of strategy — in life as well as baseball — it is generally really bad thinking to present one’s weaknesses so publicly to one’s adversaries. So by making this public signature gesture and then letting people know that he can be so perturbed by it, he has just given the rest of the world a lot of power over him. Want to piss him off before a performance? Just do that X thing in a mocking way BEFORE he starts pitching. Great. Now he has given a tool to the other team.
I feel the same about all superstitions— the superstitious person is sure giving a lot of power to stuff outside of his or her control, and occasionally within the control of people who don’t want one to do well.
I would agree with you that some things are off limits, but when someone does something so publicly and always at the expense of the other team (i.e., Wilson doesn’t do the X thing unless he has retired the losing team), then he can’t really claim that’s off limits. If he did it off the field, then absolutely, “shit is off limits,” man.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
how is it inconceivable?
it took me 3 minutes to look it up online.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on May 11, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
And you believe that players on other teams bother to research it? Really?
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
why not?
I’m not saying he did, but it’s not out of the question. He’s apparently bothered by Wilson’s arm-crossing, so maybe it was annoying enough to him to see what it meant.
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by UnleashTheGore on May 11, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok, Unleash, do you want me to say it is theoretically possible that Blake researched it before he mocked the gesture? OK: It is theoretically possible.
It is also highly unlikely. It is hard to believe (and actually, it is impossible for me personally to believe) that an annoyed opponent would have research as a first reaction. Rather, it is more likely — MUCH more likely — that when an opponent homers off the closer and ties the game, he just lashes out at the most obvious, mockable thing about the guy. Like Gagne’s glasses (when he was good)… only later to find out that those glasses were provided to him by Quebec’s public health service when his family was dirt poor, and he wears them as a poignant reminder of his roots and to honor the family from which he came.
These guys have 700 MLB opponents, and it is quite self-centered and more than a little precious to think that some dickhead opponent knows the origins and meanings of all our quirks.
And your point is faulty under psychological principles: annoyance tends to drive people away from rational activity (such as researching why someone does a gesture) and more toward visceral reaction.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Gestures...
I don’t think it’s inconceivable that Blake didn’t know the meaning of Wilson’s routine. But if I had to hazard a guess, I’d say he probably didn’t know. Assuming Blake didn’t know, I’m curious to see how he responds to finding out. I think how Blake responds to where the situation is now will say a lot about the kind of person Blake is, and whether this thing will blow over or blow up.
My guess is, once Blake learns that he was mocking Wilson’s beliefs and father, he’ll probably send a note of apology, and Wilson (who will have calmed down) will accept Blake’s apology.
Baseball really is funny when it comes to the whole notion of gesturing and “showing guys up”. I think it’s fair to say there are grade levels in how out of line different actions generally are—all gestures are not created equal.
To help us better understand the delicate, complex dynamics inherent in these gestures and in how players experience them, I’ve developed a helpful point system related to different gesture factors. The more points accumulated, the more incendiary the gesture should be considered.
Factors include:
- Did the gesture occur in:
a) a meaningless regular season game (5 points)
b) an important regular season game (2 points) [note: all Giants-Dodgers regular season games should be graded “important” to the Giants, “meaningless” to the Dodgers. This is because the Dodgers and their fans are too addled of brain to recognize that there even is a rivalry]
c) a routine moment in a postseason game (2 points)
d) an important moment in a postseason game (1 point)
e) an important moment in the 7th game of the World Series (0 points) - Was the gesture spontaneous or was it clearly pre-meditated? (2 points for pre-meditated)
- Was the gesture something unusual or common (e.g., a fist pump is common)? (2 points for unusual)
- Was the gesture a ritual or was it a one-time event? (3 points for rituals)
- Was the gesture specifically directed at opponents? (10 points if ‘yes’)
- Did the gesture mock an opponent’s family, personal beliefs, or personal life? (10 points)
- Was the gesture performed by a Dodger? (50 points if ‘yes’)
- Was Tommy Lasorda involved in any way? (100 points if ‘yes’)
OK, so let’s evaluate a few notable gestures using this helpful system (again, the more points totaled, the more egregious and incendiary the act should be considered).
- Dan Ortmeier’s HR from a couple years back: 2 points (important reg. season)
- Kirk Gibson’s fist-pumps during HR trot from ’88 World Series: 51 points (Dodger+important postseason game)
- Barry Bonds’ pirouette in ’97: 4 points (important reg. season + unusual gesture)
- Eric Gagne’s fist-pump save celebrations (when he was a ’roided up Dodger): 58-68 points (Dodger + meaningless reg. season + ritual + sometimes felt directed at opponents)
- Brian Wilson’s crossed arm post-save routine: 9 points (important reg. season + pre-meditated + unusual + ritual)
- Casey Blake‘s mocking of Wilson’s routine: 69-79 points points (Dodger + meaningless reg. season + pre-meditated + unusual + directed at opponent + mocked family/personal beliefs)
- Any appearance in public by Tommy Lasorda: A bazillion points
If, in a supremely magnanimous act of fairness, we were to remove the Dodger-specific gradations to the system, the points might look like this:
- Ortmeier: 2 pts
- Gibson: 1 pt
- Bonds: 4 pts
- Gagne: 5-15 pts
- Wilson: 9 pts
- Blake: 26 pts
- Lasorda: Sorry…always going to be offensive
I do think Blake upped the ante with what he did. I think an apology will help diffuse the situation. Personally I’d prefer to see Wilson find some other way to honor his father and express his faith. But it does seem like we’ve entered a time when closers are allowed a little bit of latitude when nailing down saves. Seems like many of them have some type of routine. But Wilson’s is showier than most, and even though it’s very personal and isn’t directed at opponents, it’s not hard to understand them not liking it. But if what Wilson does is…well, I guess it’s somewhere between “questionable” to “definitely crossing the line”, then what Blake did undeniably wrong—even more so if he knowingly was mocking Wilson’s faith and father.
OK, but despite how much time I’ve now spent on this post, I really don’t think this kind of stuff really ends up meaning a great deal. What means a lot more is Manny is out 50 games, and the thing that was really standing out in my mind was how different the dodger lineup is without Manny—and that’s even with Juan Pierre hitting completely out of his mind over the weekend. That certainly won’t last. This was a great weekend, made a little hotter by Blake’s classless gesture.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
Very nice post
This is the crux of the apostrophe:
My guess is, once Blake learns that he was mocking Wilson’s beliefs and father, he’ll probably send a note of apology, and Wilson (who will have calmed down) will accept Blake’s apology.
I also feel we’ll see some calmer actions from both players—the series was pretty heated for May.
The other thing I don’t think that’s been mentioned yet is Wilson’s statement (paraphrasing): “I didn’t think it (the one-and-the-many-cross) was appropriate in the minor leagues, but when I got to the majors, I thought I’d go for it.”
I think he said it on the debut KNBR Brian Wilson Show, so he was aware that it could be perceived as showing someone up (but worried more about minor-leaguers than big-leaguers).
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The pirouette was a celebratory thing. Blake’s X thing was making fun of Wilson’s beliefs. There are lines.
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Sorry, never throw at someones head
I don’t wanna see someone get killed ’cause they showed off too much.
The ribs are fine.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus, it’s just never cool to intentionally throw into the opposing team’s dugout.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
OMG FANS ARE NOT OBJECTIVE!!11
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
JUST LIKE THE PLAYERS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
ALSO< MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS NOT OBJECtive
It works purely on emotion.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
HARD HITTING INVESTIGATIVE REPORT AT 11
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
complete with low-key sinister music
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
THE "JP" IN "JPONRY" STANDS FOR JUAN PIERRE, FILM AT ELEVEN
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OMG IT WAS MY DEEPEST DARKEST SECRET ;___;
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
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I disagree about wishing for the end of Juan Pierre's career
I want him to sign a multi-year extension
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
You want him to sign some multihair extensions?
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Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on May 10, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s not just the GM, but he’s also a client!
by SoFa King Mike on May 11, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I just figured that her true name was rye and she wanted something.
Sorry there, but I had to do that.
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Kevin Frandsen should be with the big team.
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Juan Pierre on rye?
That just doesnt sound appealing
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
I thought it was
either a misspelling of “porny” or “pony”.
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agree and disagree
I mean, mocking Dodgers is always good sport, but I think I’d be wincing pretty good if, let’s say…
/tries to think of Giant who is capable of hitting a clutch, late-inning HR…can only think of Bengie and can’t possibly conjure up any kind of image of Bengie doing anything even remotely similar to what he saw Blake do….
….umm… /decides to just throw out a ridiculous example… OK, let’s say Velez hits a late-inning, clutch, game-tying HR off Broxton, and then mocked that Broxton…um, is fat and has ugly sideburns….
Geez, this is all way too hypothetical. A Giant other than Bengie, hitting a clutch, late-inning HR… (wait…)
…A Giant other than Bengie, hitting a clutch, late-inning HR… (still not right; hold on a sec…)
…A Giant other than Bengie, hitting a clutch, late-inning HR… (fixed) and then celebrating in a totally classless way? Nope. Can’t get my brain wrapped around that one.
OK, the Billy Sadler example is a good one. That definitely made me wince. It was pure stupid. And that wasn’t even insulting in a personal way.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
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Dan Ortmier.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Some dude who is frozen in time
Doing a fist pump between 1st and second…
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the one.
If I were Dan Ortimier, I was probably just sit back and watch that clip all day.
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Since he has no real gig going for him
by SoFa King Mike on May 10, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa
He did exist.
Adopted Giant: John Bowker, who is currently walking wild over the PCL.
by rightcenterfielder on May 10, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
is that like Nate Schierholtz?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
/tries to imagine Nate hitting his second career HR… brain implodes.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
/tries to imagine Nate hitting
/tries to imagine Nate existing
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I like how all the Giants homegrown players on the team (sans Panda) have 0 HR.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Good poll idea!
Who will be the next homegrown Giants player to hit a HR (notice how I’m not saying this year)?
I’ll start: Matt Cain!!
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
We are talking about on the Giants roster I assume.
And I guess also excluding Panda.
So even though I have been kinda vocal lately about my dissappointment in him: Ishi. He has to hit one eventually, and I think Burriss is his only true “competition”.
There’s FLew, Schierholtz, Burriss, Ishi, Timmeh, Matt Cain, Sanchez, Matos, and Wilson.
…I think that’s it.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
I stand by my prediction.
Nate needs more playing time, but he would be next choice, with FLew close to him.
To be honest, I kind of like shit like this. Spices up the rivalry a bit.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Brian Wilson
would lay Blake’s ass out in a bench clearing brawl
by SoFa King Mike on May 10, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's not forget
He is a ninja. He just told me so
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's fun
Blake taking a 98 mph FB to the kidney would spice up the rivalry a lot, too
by FairweatherFan on May 10, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
according to the thought progression, blake is going to apologize, and wilson, the giants’ closer, is gonna stew on this for the next 3 months while he waits to take casey blake, the dodgers’ 8th hitter, out. to show he loves his dad and god. wait a minute… neither is going to happen. if someone throws at blake it will NOT be a closer in a save situation.
Let's just wait to see what Wilson says on his twitter...
… wait a second, it doesn’t exist…
DAMN YOU AND YOUR RUSH TO JUDGMENT, HENRY SCHULMAN! You deprive us of great Tweets like "Scottsdale is fun but overaggressive males are not"
Anyone see that catch by Hunter today? Legit.
Also, my buddy went to the LAA v KC game yesterday and got to watch Greinke deal despite him getting the L. The dude is on fire.
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 8:49 PM PDT reply actions
I’ve been reading, and hearing for awhile now that the dodger – Giants rivalry is only a rivalry in the eyes of the fans, and between the fans. Today wiith one small stupid act Blake brought the rivalry down between the lines. This could be a very good thing for the Giants.
Damn schedule
GOOD THING THEY DONT PLAY TILL AUGUST
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
i was just wondering – how have burriss’s ABs looked lately? He’s been getting a lot better results but has he been hitting the ball harder or is he just finding holes? Just from his RBI highlight from today it looked like a pretty lazy chopper that found a hole, was that just the case for that AB?
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by theghostofjasonellison on May 10, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions
From my eye, he seems to look a lot more comfortable. He’s been spraying balls to all fields, though I believe most have been oppo hits.
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Part of it is balls finding holes that weren’t before, but before it seemed like he was just kind of up there waiting to get out, like he had 2 strikes in every AB. Now he’s definitely hitting more line drives, etc. Still no power though (but .350 OBP is solid.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Tough day for Pablo with an 0-for-6. That type of ay will either make him take a lot of extra batting practice of find a new piece of lumber.
Also, weird line score for Scott: 2-5 3Ks
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions
The walk in the last ab was an amazing show of patientce (for him), and it helped that rally a great deal. I would expect him to bounce back soon.
Not so proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is definitely not Howry do it!
I’m glad that this got mention. That’s a big AB for Pablo at that point of the game (especially after the prior AB). He’s a very smart player. I think that we just saw a big step and one of the biggest AB’s of his young career.
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GEEEEEEEZ
really? all this over blake’s shit-talking with Bdub? I mean, yeah of course it’s disrespectful and it’s shit-talking and all but man oh man, really? is everyone really this bent outta shape about a couple of ball players going at each other? they need to work it out, either in therapy or in some good old fashioned giants / dodgers – marichal / roseboro style brawl. isn’t that what brian was always tweeting about? now is his chance.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
Agreed. All this "Oh-No-He-Di'-N't" (include finger wave) is infantile.
All macho posturing is bullshit.
If Wilson didn’t want to expose a potential weakness to adversaries, then he should keep his memoriams and religious practices private. (Jesus Christ, a decent authority on being a Christian, admonished people to pray privately, i.e., to avoid grandiose shows of religiosity.)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 10, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
All the hubbub is amplified because of the Dodgers uni. Oh well, this will be forgotten until August
by SoFa King Mike on May 10, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t care much about the incident, but several times now you’ve referred to Wilson’s faith and rememberance of his father as a weakness and vulnerability. Everything I’ve read or heard indicates he sees it as a source of strength and resolve.
No, let me be clear.
I am not saying that his faith/memoriam are weaknesses per se, but his gesture of those is a vulnerability because it is a route into his head, a way to bother him deeply— as Blake did, or we wouldn’t be talking about this.
Now, if it were me and I chose to “honor” my dad/faith that way (which I would never do, but anyway), it really would not bother me at all if someone else mocked it or mocked me about it. So in that case, it would not be a vulnerability. For Wilson, it apparently is, so if it is a sensitive area, it would be best not to do it publicly so opponents can take advantage of his sensitivity on this point. Let’s face it: in a tough moment or in the post-season or something, it would make all the sense in the world to mockingly do the X-thing to Wilson on his way into the game to rattle him. Hence, vulnerability.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
You bring up an interesting point. Could we potentially see crowds doing this gesture every time BWillie pitches?
Sure, if the Giants are ever a contender. Opposing fans throw syringes, chant "Brokeback Mountain" at college basketball players, yell about recent deaths in players' families, and other classless stuff.
Why on earth would they not do that if it ever made a difference? And now that he’s shown that it bothers him, why the hell not? Tastefulness? Yeah, right, that’ll restrain everyone.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
This is why I’m an atheist.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on May 11, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
So no one will be able to mock your vulnerabilities? Or so that you can do these things without guilt?
Perhaps so he doesn’t have to get wrapped up in symbolic ridiculousness to the point of violence.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 11, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
That should be a motivational poster:
“You don’t have to be religious to get wrapped up in symbolic ridiculousness to the point of violence… But it helps!”
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I should never have posted that reply to zodiac to begin with. I was all repressed hostility and just unbecoming. I’m just sick of feeling like I’m responsible for the sack of Constantinople and the collapse of the Inca and eight years of Bush and want to ban everything and stop everyone from having all the sex they want with whomever they want. I know I should have grown a thicker skin at my age, but I think it’s congenitally thin at this point.
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No, he's Filipino, so I was going to let him slide on that.
But the sack of Constantinople is totally on him. He basically confessed it, above.
(Shanghai— we’re joking about because (a) we can’t help it, and (b) because that’s how we welcome people. It’s like the towel-snapping in the gym showers, but 80-85% less homosexual subtext. Let us know if we have to back off, and we will honor that.)
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by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s all based on the the assumption that Wilson being upset negatively impacts his performance. It’s just as possible that it fuels him to be better.
And I suppose my issue is back to your assumption that Wilson’s display is “self-indulgent and self-centered” when all evidence points to otherwise.
Evidence?
To your first line, no, I don’t assume it upsets his performance, but it sure upset him an awful lot yesterday. Based on that, It could upset his performance if someone did that to him on his way into a game. I would say there is a good chance of that, given that he was reportedly “distraught” after yesterday.
To your second line, we can disagree on definitions, I suppose, but doing something because you want to do it and don’t care or think about the effects on anyone else IS the definition of self-indulgent and self-centered. Now, that doesn’t make it evil— if I give $10,000 to my local food bank every month and do one of those big novelty checks and make sure cameras are there, it is self-indulgent and self-centered while still being a perfectly fine thing. Let’s say that Wilson’s gesture is from a sincere place in his heart— I’m sure it is. That doesn’t mean it isn’t self-centered and self-indulgent to do that on the field, and ONLY after the other team loses. I might regard it as less self-centered if he did it after blown saves or holds.
You are, naturally, entitled to your opinions on any of this, but it is silly to say there is “evidence” that Wilson doesn’t indulge himself nor make himself the center when he does his gesture. I’m not saying he’s a bad guy. I am saying (elsewhere) that it is certainly not what Jesus Christ taught, and that guy was a pretty good authority on being a Christian.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
That doesn’t mean it isn’t self-centered and self-indulgent to do that on the field, and ONLY after the other team loses. I might regard it as less self-centered if he did it after blown saves or holds.
I’ve liked what the Mayor’s contributed to this thread. One thing you may want to consider (if you havent already), is that instead of saying he only does it after the
“other team loses” is to think of it as being done after Wilson succeeds. That is,
he is thanking, or paying tribute to his faith and father.
That’s the way I see it. And he’s on my team, so I dig it (sorry, that’s part of being
a fan to me).
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
I’d like to see a corresponding gesture for “God and father, why have you forsaken me?” after he blows a save. Now there’s even-handed tribute.
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by achiappanza on May 11, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve always meant to mention how much I dig the sig.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
You're factually correct
but that is my point: in interpreting what opponents’ mean, one must look at it from THEIR point of view. Sure, you, Wilson, and I might see it as something he does when he succeeds (a factually accurate way of putting it), but they are experiencing it as something that comes at their expense (also a factually accurate way of putting it).
Putting it in that light, opponents can certainly see Wilson’s gesture as something objectionable.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
You should probably leave your interpretations of Christian doctrine out of the discussion. For one, it’s inappropriate for this forum. And for two, it’s theologically inaccurate.
Back to the point, the evidence is Wilson’s own explanation of the gesture which you apparently don’t buy into. He may well be full of shit about the whole thing, and really he’s just looking for attention or to show up an opponent. But to base your argument off that unsupported assumption is faulty.
I actually agree with your larger point about what athletes (and actors) probably should do. It just seems like you jumped into this topic with some pretty large assumptions (weak, vulnerable, self-centered, etc) about somebody’s motives without any evidence.
No, your interpretation of "weak, vulnerable, self-centered, etc" are off.
Was Wilson “distraught” yesterday, as was reported? Unless you have some better information than Wilson was quite upset by it, then let’s take that as an agreed upon fact. OK, that means that, by definition, his doing that gesture publicly presents a weakness and vulnerability for him— if others mock it, he gets quite upset by it. What are you missing?
Your middle paragraph is baffling. I accept his explanation for why he does what he does; I think he is telling the truth about why he does it. So I “buy into” it, if that’s what you meant by this phrase. I have never said he is doing it to look for attention nor to show up an opponent— it indisputably has those effects, but I have never questioned his sincerity about it. What “unsupported assumption” about his own explanation can you identify from what I have said?
And your first paragraph, thanks, but I will include whatever elements I think make sense. And “inappropriate in this forum”? We are discussing a guy who professes to be a Christian, doing a gesture that he has defined as witness regarding his Christian faith— how on earth is bringing in Christian theology “inappropriate to the forum”?
And how is it “theologically inaccurate,” by the way? Biblical cite, please, for where Jesus contradicts what he said in Matthew chapter 6 generally, and verses 5-6 specifically. These are quotes attributed to Jesus, so they would carry greater weight than any of the Pauline letters, so please include Gospel citations in your exegesis, not the Pauline letters. (Unless Paul’s stuff is all you’ve got, in which case, sure, let’s take a look. I don’t mean to be restrictive.)
I’m not picking a fight with you, but you have either misunderstood or misinterpreted what I have said. I have made no “assumptions” as you call them, besides the assumption that the reports are true that Wilson was quite upset after yesterday’s game as a result of Blake’s totally classless act.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s inappropriate because it’s a topic that would require a thousand threads, and nobody would be right. You already start the debate citing a single passage (already assuming a sola scriptura view of Jesus), and then stating which texts you consider to be more valid. Now I may agree with you on some of those points, but certainly there are others who would not.
Hence why when discussing Wilson, the ""Jesus wouldn’t want him to do it" argument is pretty cheap. Does it really matter which religion he is honoring?
I agree with most of your assertions in this one.
You’re absolutely right that “nobody would be right,” hence your earlier statement of “theologically incorrect” struck me badly (and incorrect! If nobody would be right, which we agree, then it would be hard to be incorrect provided there is reasonable basis for whatever’s being offered). It is also true that my point about Jesus’s approval/disapproval of what people purport to do in his name is a side point, at best. Not worth discussing nor defending.
Totally cool sola scriptura point! You’re probably more right on that than I would like to admit. I am definitely not a sola scriptura guy in real life; for instance, I think Jesus’s views about women and their role in society & place in god’s eyes is unfathomable without a non-scriptural understanding of the socio-historical context in which Jesus lived (Spoiler alert for fundamentalists: god thinks women are equal to men; this “help-meet” stuff is radically misinterpreted bullshit). But on the point of public displays of one’s religiosity (as distinct from religion), you’re probably right, and I had never thought about that. Thank you, sincerely.
And yeah, I will always say that the Gospels — while internally inconsistent and occasionally irreconcilable — are more authoritative as to what Jesus said & meant versus Paul’s stuff (though I make no claims about their actual accuracy). You already know all the problems with the Pauline letters (he never knew or met Jesus, written several decades after Jesus’s death, was a heavy political actor & his writings show that), but yeah, I admit that I generally discount those.
VERY interesting and cool question about whether it matters which religion he is honoring. (And this puts aside the question of whether Wilson is, in fact, honoring Christianity. I think he THINKS he is, but is in fact not honoring it; you might disagree, I don’t know.) I think it does not matter, but could you imagine if a Muslim player got down on the ground and prayed to Mecca during a game/prep? Like if he just hit the mat in the bullpen, or did his prayers in the outfield during warmups. I think people would go nuts. But it would be a great social experiment.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It does matter, because Christianity in particular has become inseparable from right-wing politics in the United States, and by extension into the culture war, in a way that brings a lot of baggage to this discussion that would not have existed if Wilson were, say, a classical paganist, or an animist of some sort. Or a Jew, but that’s a whole nuther level of charged dialectic right there…
I still think he’s more hurt about the dad aspect, though.
Well, Paul did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus post-cruxification. But your point stands, he was not one of the twelve. It’s also debatable if even wrote several of the epistles that were attributed to him.
Anyway, I’m mostly just a godless heathen strangely married to a Catholic theologian. I routinely get my ass handed to me on religious and theological matters but sometimes I can hold my own.
Anyway, re-reading above I probably came off a little more combative than I meant to. My apologies as it certainly wasn’t meant to be personal.
Saul/Paul didn't know Jesus, despite the brief meeting.
(And full disclosure: I am a rabid atheist. Just an educated one. I don’t believe in invisible superheroes who live in outer space.)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
P.S. I, too, have a weakness for Catholic girls. Totally understandable.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I might be wrong, but was this the second appearance in a row where Affeldt walked the lead off batter then got the next batter to GIDP? We could do with out the walk and take two groundouts instead.
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions
Well, he’s already kinda weird because he pitches better to righties – maybe he also pitches better with a guy on base?
by sfgiantsgirl on May 10, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
13-for-27 on the roadtrip, 17-for-31 over his last 9 games! :D
by sfgiantsgirl on May 10, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Burriss
Is going to be very good major league hitter…..and potential Gold Glover.
Dude hits singles. Lotsa singles.
Can we now go the month of May without mentioning the Fresno second baseman?
Not a big Frandsen guy here. Too much acting like a 10 year veteran. You’d listen to an interview and he was talking like a perennial All-Star when rookie needed to STFU.
The kinda guy with an ego that’s so fragile he’s probably visits here to see what fans are saying about him. I think it’s great that the hard working quiet Manny Burriss just busted his ass and won him an opening day spot.
Let’s hope Frandsen has good season in Fresno and can create some trade value for himself!
Anyone want to give Bochy/Sabean credit for the Burriss decision? Looking better every day….
Everyone's running
The whole field bursts to life, man
Best play in baseball
-Buck O'Neill describing a triple (inadvertent haiku!)
I like what Burriss has done lately, but I’d also like to see Burriss hit more than singles.
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He’s already matched Kuip’s career HR total….
Everyone's running
The whole field bursts to life, man
Best play in baseball
-Buck O'Neill describing a triple (inadvertent haiku!)
Yeah, I know I’m just giddy after a very hot month but it’s very encouraging. Plus, he did hit the ball pretty well in ’08. Just going bold with my statement in the event he ends the year at .320 or so and I can claim that I called my shot. If he ends up at .220 hopefully nobody will remember this thread….
Everyone's running
The whole field bursts to life, man
Best play in baseball
-Buck O'Neill describing a triple (inadvertent haiku!)
why does he have to hit more than singles? Get on base, steal, score runs and play GG defense and Im sold on the guy
Fred Lewis doesn’t do anything more than hit singles dna get on base.
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Kevin Frandsen should be with the big team.
I wish we had more players with the DNA get on base gene.
by paboperfecto on May 11, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
he defense is a bit lacking, he doesn’t steal bases once he gets on base. Run Fred Run. Make use of your OBP
It would be even easier for him to score runs if he hit a few more doubles and triples here and there.
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Agree
It sure would be nice but not necessary. Get on base. Run, run run. Next thing you know he is in sccoring position.
If you can’t hit the ball over the outfielder’s head, then they will cheat in and take away some singles.
The occasional XBH can help out the old OBP.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
agree, get on base and then run, run and run some more. plus he has the speed to score from first on a double
he used his speed to get on base and cause havoc all roadtrip. I for one love all the infield singles I think they’re kind of exciting and I can see why Bochy is thinking about him as the new leadoff man
I'm not the only one who finds infield singles exciting?
Yay!
by sfgiantsgirl on May 10, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
"Delorean!"
(a la “Norm!” in ‘Cheers.’) Miss you around here, man.
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by Mayor of 311 on May 11, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I look at Frandsen like I do Schierholtz — what more does the guy have to do to get a shot?
Manny does come off as high on character, but I just feel that unless you’re Vizquel-ish, no measure of defense can compensate for total lack of power.
by SeeingStars on May 10, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
VICTORY IN YOUR NAME MY LORD
IT’S DRINK TIME!
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BELATED FUCK YOU LOLDGERS
It really sucks I missed this game but I got the updates on my phone and was experiencing the roller-coaster of emotions in spirit.
True blue LA can take their “statement” game from yesterday and shove it right up their ass. THIS was a statement. A statement that it’s early May and we barely beat them with our ace on the hill.
BUT WE BEAT LA AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS SUCK IT RUSSEL MARTIN
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I say, “Fuck you Dodgers!” on a daily basis
by SoFa King Mike on May 11, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
randy winn- rated
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
Of course
it was late and I was tired. It won’t happen again.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on May 11, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
i was just gonna post about this
one of the most hilarious things I’ve seen this year. and it was certainly deliberate, I loved how he looked right at Joba while he rounded 1st and fist pumped.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on May 11, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
My fantasy team agrees
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by bondslegend on May 11, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
I didn’t read this thread before posting last night- serious thread was serious.
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lol anyone see this?
If my head is full of white hairs by the end of this season.. I blame Brian Wilson. (I'm only 22, dammit!)
made front page on www.yahoo.com... lol ;)
If my head is full of white hairs by the end of this season.. I blame Brian Wilson. (I'm only 22, dammit!)
blake looks like a deuche ;)
If my head is full of white hairs by the end of this season.. I blame Brian Wilson. (I'm only 22, dammit!)
douche.*
If my head is full of white hairs by the end of this season.. I blame Brian Wilson. (I'm only 22, dammit!)
Is anyone bent out of shape that I didn’t do a front-page post on Blakegate? I didn’t even think about it, and then I see it’s on the front page of freaking Yahoo!, which would then link here.
Judging from the comments on the Yahoo story, I think this would be a bad thing to do haha. Those comments had me taking a walk to cool off. Irrational idiot dodger fan is irrational idiot.
by CaliforniaBone on May 11, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t really care, but if you want to be like that.
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