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The Ishii Dilemma

Now that Travis is struggling mightily , the question is what to do next. Bochyass is thinking about moving Pablo to 1st and having Uribe get most of the playing time at 3rd...This is just insane if you ask me...For starters, why move Pablo around after he is showing gold glove capabilities at 3rd? Secondly, why give a journeyman (Uribe),a  non roster invitee the majority of the playing time as if he will suddenly find the fountain of youth and rejuvinate his career? His best days are behind him and the Giants would be smart to just show him the door....Furthermore why is Aurilia getting the start today (as per Bochyass) against a lefty when he too has shown nothing at the plate this season? Whats he batting .175? Why does he get the free pass and Travis not?

 

My suggestion would be to Bring up Jesus Guzman/ and or Bowker  who is tearing up AAA and  let Richie go...I would then give Uribe the pink slip and bring up Rohlinger who is also playing well at Fresno.... This way you give the the rooks 200-300 atbats to see what they can do and if you aren't happy, then you can make a trade before the deadline...

 

I would also demote Velez and bring up Frandsen. There is simply too much dead weight on this team. For the most part, we can't get the ball out of the infield!!! With our pitching all we need to do is add some offensive punch and I think my suggestions would come a long way in helping this team get over our offensive season long slump...

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I could be talked out of this, but I guess Rohlinger would be the best scenario.

If we still had McClain, or if McFEARson were healthy, or if Bowker could play 1B, or if Jesus Guzman was getting on base in Fresno and didn’t have massive defensive problems—-we might have a better scenario, but we don’t.

Any other ideas that don’t involve one of our cruddy ML backups getting a full-time job?

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by rotorueter on May 10, 2009 6:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, let’s just sign Jim Edmonds and put him at 1B. Problem solved.

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by rotorueter on May 10, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He would make unnecessary diving catches in the foul territory of first base!

Let’s do it.

by xanthan on May 10, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rowand + Edmonds in the same lineup = gamerocity overload

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by j14 on May 10, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worthless dives a’plenty

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This is definitely not Howry do it!

by CB30 on May 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we would still need Eric Byrnes

Thing A

by sam23 on May 10, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a rational giants world that makes some sense. In the Giants Vetgasm World a certain Big Head want to get him playing time in Center Field and rest maybe in Left Field. Why am I stuck in Giants Vetgasm World?

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by daveinexile on May 10, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I read …Baggs? Rohlilnger isn’t on the 40 man so it isn’t quite as simple as just calling him up.

by Merope on May 10, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oooops, sorry no, that’s Guzman who isn’t on the 40. This is what I get for posting before the morning caffeine. bah!

by Merope on May 10, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. The problem isn’t fielding (which is what Rohlinger is good at), it’s hitting (which is something Rohlinger is expected to struggle with at the ML level). This would be a completely sideways move.

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by cornball on May 10, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn’t the Ishikawa I was looking for…

by xanthan on May 10, 2009 7:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

does this Ishikawa throw a knuckler?

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by daveinexile on May 10, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least he proved those nerdy projection systems wrong! He’s spectacularly awful, when they said he’d be merely lousy. Shows what they know.

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by rotorueter on May 10, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand by my projection!

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by kennv on May 10, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

.273/.351/.467

CRYING

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by jponry on May 10, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I WOULD KILL FOR THAT LINE

by xanthan on May 10, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want some more of THAT Kool Aid. It was obviously good stuff.

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by daveinexile on May 10, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More than 3 HRs? A .250 AVG? What were we all thinking?

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by Little Napoleon on May 10, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I was pretty generous with my .220 , 2HR projection. Though I thought it would be later in the year as I expected Pablo to falter at 3B and be the Starting 1B.

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by Giant among Angels on May 10, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gave him 6 weeks as the starting 1B so he still has a chance to out-shine my prediction.

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 10, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geez

Even my projections were too high.

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by ResDog on May 12, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, Juan Uribe is not over the hill and washed up as you imply. He’s only 29 years old. I agree with your conclusion, but not how you got there. Fact of the matter is that Juan Uribe can help this team off of the bench, but as an everyday starter, ugh! I think the problem here is that Ishi is an inexperienced kid, and both Uribe and Aurilia are veterans. This leads Bochy to the philosophy that both Richie and Uribe have shown they are major league players, while the jury is still out on Ishikawa. I think that’s the problem here. While Uribe isn’t very good, he IS a major league talent, while Ishi may not be. Like you, I would rather continue to find out about Travis, because his upside is better than the upside of a below average major leaguer like Uribe.
     As for Jesus Guzman, calling him up is Sabean’s decision, not Bochy, and Bochy can only deal with the crappy offensive players that Sabean has provided him. Here’s what I would do. Call up Guzman, and use him like he’s using Richie, which means platoon with Ishi with an occasional start against righties as well. For the next month, let them split time about 50/50. If someone gets hot and wins the job, great. If not, wait for McPherson or start making phone calls about trades. When calling up Guzman, I would ship out Velez. I would give Richie a couple of weeks or so to show he can help the team as a late inning pinch hitter, and if he can’t I would release him when Andres Torres returns.

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by rxmeister on May 10, 2009 8:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fact of the matter is that when we sign washed up players during the spring as non roster invitees, you always say, what are you getting excited about!! It’s just a cheap insurance policy…Well in Sabean land, they become your every starter and thats why these are dangerous signings…(Case in point Yabu last year, making the Roster) ..

Bottom line is that both Castillo last year and Uribe this year were late spring traing signings that evolved to be in our every day lineup…(btw, I believe Uribe is actually 2 yrs older than the other bum)…If you don’t think Uribe is washed up after watching his at-bats then we are wastching 2 different ballgames…

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by Mordy From Monsey on May 10, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather continue to find out about Travis, because his upside is better than the upside of a below average major leaguer like Uribe.

I don’t think this is the case

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 10, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uribe or Aurilia over Ishi seems like a dumb move to me. As does moving Pablo to 1st when he is making great defensive strides at 3B. 3B also showcases Pablo’s arm. Just because Pablo is fat, doesn’t mean he doesn’t move like a cat. Uribe at 3rd yesterday should show he is not a better solution there just because he used to play shortstop.

The injury logjam of major league and AAAA talent in Freson (Torres, McPherson and Phelps) along with players that could usefully spend some more time in AAA (Guzman and Rohlinger), and my preference to see if Ishi can turn it around rather than just release him leads me to conclude that Velex should go down, and Frandsen can step into the IF mix and 5th OF at least until Torres returns. In the short run, some mix of Uribe, Frandsen, Ishi and Richie could play 1st base. Med-term Dallas McPherson, Phelps or Guzman could step into the mix. Long term, Sabean should be thinking trade.

Ishi is at just over 70 PA. I would like to see him get twice that before he is simply released or dismissed as “not a big leaguer.” Burriss now has 100 PA. Where would he be 30 at bats ago? 161/235/177

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by kennv on May 10, 2009 8:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not trying to come off sounding curmudgeony, but has Pablo really made defensive strides? He’s got a strong arm, but his range is poor. How many times have we seen him dive for a ball that any other 3B would have just moved over and gotten to? It’s still too early in the season to accurately judge his defense, in my opinion. I think people remember all the diving plays (the ones that most 3B wouldn’t even have to do t begin with) and forgot about all the balls that get whacked past him.

by xanthan on May 10, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do think we have a bit of a reverse Lewis going on here. People expected butchery of a Mark Reynolds proportions and it has not turned out that way. That being acknowledged I am now rather hopeful that he could be in the second tier of third basemen in overall production over the next handful of years.

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by daveinexile on May 10, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reverse Lewis. I like that. It works on a variety of levels. Our expectations. Range. Approach at the plate. Body bias.

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by kennv on May 10, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it.

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on May 10, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s made strides in not being a Braun-esque fielder, that he was in my mind. I do agree that is it too early in the season to accurately judge his defense, and even after a half-season or full season, his “style” of thirdbaserey may confuse different defensive metrics. Seems to me like Pablo’s Reaction is plus, Arm is plus and Range is minus. But we don’t know if the pluses outweigh the minuses.

And, has Uribe made those plays an “average Third Baseman would”? His range looks pretty bad to me.

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by kennv on May 10, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over the last couple seasons I’ve seen more White Sox games on TV then I would really like. A lot of them had Uribe playing 3rd he usually gets things done. In my opinion he is sometimes very flashy but normally not he is not real pretty or smooth over there.

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by daveinexile on May 10, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It may be that I listen to most games on the radio rather than watching, but my impression of Pablo at third hasn’t been that he’s playing matador defense. Not being saberriffic, I can’t quantify that, though.
Not that I expected great range from the left side of the infield to begin with…

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by Johnny Disaster on May 10, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s been better than expected and should be given a chance to get better.

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on May 10, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he has made defensive strides

Dude worked his ass off and it’s paying off. During spring, the consensus was he was bad to his right, but he’s been turning in gems.

It sounds to me like you decided Pablo was going to suck at 3B and can’t admit he’s not that bad. He hasn’t hurt the team in the slightest with his D at 3B and has made all the plays he should make. Get over your body bias and admit that Pablo at 3B is not the epic tragedy that you thought it would be.

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by Goofus on May 10, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot to sign in under you alternate screen name giantsrainman for this post

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 10, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Body bias? OK, GRM.

by xanthan on May 10, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course “body bias” was tongue-in-cheek, but I do think there was this determination by some here that Sandoval would suck at 3B. He hasn’t, and rather than say “Wow, I’m glad I was wrong!” and giving the kid credit, people are grasping at straws to to try to not be wrong.

As Kenv said above, he has a plus arm and plus reactions. He also has a sure glove and quick hands. Rather than acknowledge that, you harp on his range.

Looking at his play thus far, I don’t see how anyone can’t look at his defense at 3rd as at least adequate.

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by Goofus on May 10, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s no question Pablo’s been adequate and much better than most expected, but he’s not GG caliber yet, nowhere near it.

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by jponry on May 10, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what?

Outside of Longoria, Rolen (a few years ago) and Zimmerman…who really is GG caliber at 3b? Brandon Inge (when he’s actually put at 3b) and David Wright? Who, most Mets fans friends of mine think is both undeserving and overrated at 3rd base.

It’s not like Sandoval is Braun bad or Garrett Atkins bad. Or Mark Reynolds bad. He most MOST of the plays that he is expected to make. And I’d much rather have him at third then at first base where he has to deal with positioning, holding runners and scooping shitty throws and trying to jump or lunge for errant throws. 3B is much easier and plays to his strengths, which are arm strength and soft hands.

by Hobbes2d on May 11, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!

I totally agree with this. No body bias here, but I’ll admit to a height bias for firstbasemen. Pablo is a catcher who plays a decent 3B. As Hobbes says, 3B plays to his strengths much more so than 1B. Put Bowker at first, or Guzman, or even Nate the Great. But please don’t waste Pablo at 1B.

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by Lyle on May 11, 2009 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Put Bowker at first, or Guzman, or even Nate the Great.

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by oldjacket on May 11, 2009 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he bulky!

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by say hey nation on May 11, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IAWTC

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by ResDog on May 12, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a hard time evaluating his defense.

For exactly the reason you give. If you’re going to harp on anything wrt defense, you might as well harp on the most important component: range.

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by Bhaakon on May 10, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At 3B?

I’d put reactions, hands and arm strength/accuracy above range. Range is nice, but without those other things it’s useless.

Said another way, I’d rather have the guy who can make the all the plays in smaller area than a guy who can get to more balls, but either boots it or throws the ball into the stands.

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by Goofus on May 11, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reaction is just part of range.

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by Cookyman on May 11, 2009 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In all the other positions I would agree with you that reaction time shows up in range but playing third base well is very different animal.

There are a lot balls hit so hard that if you even have a quarter of a thought before moving they are past you or the ball will completely "eat you up". Reaction time (for lack of a better title) really needs to be viewed as a subset for third base. In fact I am not sure all Short Stops (usually the quickest and most athletic group of position player on the diamond) could play 3rd well.

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by daveinexile on May 11, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You seem to think that I’m hellbent on saying he’s bad on defense, which isn’t what I’ve been saying. I’ve said two things. His range is poor and that we don’t know how good (or bad) he’ll be at third base after he racks up more innings in the field.

I just think it’s early to say that he’s made “obvious strides”.

by xanthan on May 11, 2009 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*until after he racks up…

by xanthan on May 11, 2009 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, sorry if I understood your point correctly. Maybe we’re not that far apart. My argument for “obvious strides” is based on what I saw in ST/pre-season and what I’ve seen since they started playing for reals. It’s a pretty small sample size, but the dude is making plays.

My position is that we’ve seen enough of Pablo to feel he’s not the utter bucket of failure there that so many here predicted. Will he eventually make a couple errors? Sure. Is his range limited? Probably. Nonetheless, the fact that he’s been adequate or better there is a success story in my book. Since I came on board after Williams and Mueller, 3B has been a big hole and pile of suck while I’ve been a Giants fan. Since the team inserted Pablo into that hole, the sucking seems to have stopped.

3B has gone from a big concern to a place to be happy about. Let’s hear it for the fat kid!

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by Goofus on May 11, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the “He’s no Russ Davis!” argument, which makes some sense, but sets the bar fairly low.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 12, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Psh

“but his range is poor”

His range is fine. Not good, not bad.

by AmorVincitOmnia on May 11, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have a newsletter? I’d like to know more about how I should think about things.

by xanthan on May 11, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can keep your “UZR,” I’ll get my defensive rankings from AmorVincitOmnia

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 11, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of UZR

Since nobody brought up the stat that is probably the most advance defensive stat available, I thought I would note that Pablo this season is positive and if he continues at his current rate, his defense would add about half a win to the team, his UZR/150 is currently 6.9.

I agree with Goofus, move on about this defense, get beyond his body-type. He has worked his butt off to get better at playing 3B.

And given UZR’s positiveness thus far, perhaps the people with negative views have just seen Pablo’s lesser moments on defense, there is such a thing as small samples for fans too.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 12, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since nobody brought up the stat that is probably the most advance defensive stat available, I thought I would note that Pablo this season is positive and if he continues at his current rate, his defense would add about half a win to the team, his UZR/150 is currently 6.9.

UZR is useless at this stage in the season. I think I’ve told you this like a hundred times already. Ball in Play distribution is too random to conclude anything from Pablo’s relatively brief time at 3B. You need 2-3 seasons before you should start talking about UZR.

by xanthan on May 12, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You need 2-3 seasons before you should start talking about UZR

Not really. Tango has shown (I can’t find the original article, only a comment referencing it) that 100 games of UZR are about the same as 50 games of the most advanced hitting stats (wOBA, BaseRuns) in terms of year to year correlation. That means that a year’s worth of UZR is the equivalent of ~300 PA’s of wOBA. 300 PA’s aren’t enough of a sample size to determine a hitter’s true talent level, but they’re far from worthless.

Of course, OGC was using 26 games’ worth of UZR – the equivalent of about 50 PA’s. That is pretty close to useless.

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by Cookyman on May 12, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting, because I remember reading MGL saying that you really should have 1-2 seasons of fielding data before you start making judgments on a player’s fielding abilities. Likewise, I’ll see if I can find the link later.

by xanthan on May 12, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, to an extent, that’s true. If a some guy were hitting well after 300 PA’s in the majors, you’d want to see if he can do it for a whole season before deciding that he’s a good major league hitter, right? But, on the other hand, you’d still agree that the odds of him being a good major are much better than if he hadn’t hit well in those 300 PA’s. So, while you shouldn’t judge players based solely on 300 PA’s, you shouldn’t ignore them either. Take Sandoval for example – he currently has a career 110 OPS+ in 276 PA’s. Few people here will claim that we can be sure that he’s really a 110 OPS+ guy. But few will also claim that he might have a career OPS+ of 75 from now on, or, that we have no idea how he’s going to hit. Same thing with a year’s worth of UZR – it’s far from sufficient sample size, but it does give you a general idea of a player’s fielding abilities.

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by Cookyman on May 12, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this seems very reasonable to me, since it backs up my original position.

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by kennv on May 13, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has worked his butt off to get better at playing 3B.

If only he could work his GUT off! Am I right?!?

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by EliminateMe on May 12, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

u rite.

Also, I’m pretty sure his flabby ass is still attached.

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by Bhaakon on May 12, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey...

I was just stating my opinion without facts in the same way that the person I replied to stated his opinion without facts.

by AmorVincitOmnia on May 13, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SCIENCE

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by rotorueter on May 11, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uribe at third, really? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. We’d rather play a 29-year-old scrub like Uribe then, I don’t know, move Nate Schierholtz to first? Call up, I don’t know, anybody? Did we learn nothing from Jose Castillo?

Here’s our most common starter at the corners since ’04 and their EQA rank among players in both leagues who had more than 200 AB at their respective positions.

08: 1B Bowker (.242, 35/37 overall), 3B Castillo (.229, 36/39 overall)
07: 1B Klesko (.258, 30/41 overall), 3B Feliz (.237, 36/41 overall)
06: 1B Hillenbrand (.256, 35/43 overall), 3B Feliz (.237, 35/40 overall)
05: 1B Snow (.252, 41/46 overall), 3B Feliz (.244, 37/44 overall)

Has any organization ever proved so inept over such a long period of time at not having the worst production in the league at not one but TWO positions? have to

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by JakeS on May 10, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

lol Ryan Klesko is the best first baseman we’ve had since JT Snow went crazy in 2004.

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by groug on May 10, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean, really, Juan Uribe at first base? Here’s some food for thought in that regard:

Player A: .253/.295/.422 career hitter. 162 game averages of 18 homers, 18 HR, 54 XBH, 32 BB, 109 K

Player B: .253/.292/.429 career hitter. 162 game averages of 20 homers, 50 XBH, 30 BB, 88 K

Player B has the better defensive reputation at third base. He’s also Pedro Feliz.

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by JakeS on May 10, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Guh, double typos there. Uribe hits 18 homers, not 32, and I meant third base. Carry on.

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by JakeS on May 10, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d stick with Ishikawa. Odds are he’ll never hit enough to be an asset at first, but he’s a better bet than anyone else we have hanging around.

by Evan on May 10, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Right now, he is a historically bad offensive first baseman. Odds are that Bowker and/or Guzman can replicate that and both could possibly do better.

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by cornball on May 10, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What makes you think they’re any better than he is?

by Evan on May 10, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Bowker last year showed he could – even in limited stretches of productivity – do something at the plate, which is more than TI’s shown this year. And Guzman hasn’t shown that he’s a failure, yet. Look, I said that they could both replicate his line, and have a chance to do better. I didn’t say that they’re assured of being better. I just don’t see any signs of adjustments from TI and that is going to kill this team, which has a chance to get to the playoffs this year.

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by cornball on May 10, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody has shown they’re a failure yet. The sample size remains very small. After his hot start last year, Bowker was as bad as Ishikawa is now. Meanwhile, Ishikawa was putting up fantastic numbers at Fresno.

You can’t keep yanking these guys up and down depending on who’s having a hot month. Odds are none of them will ever amount to anything, but you have to pick the guy you think is the best and stick with him for a while.

by Evan on May 10, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is fair enough. SSS should always be considered and it is never a good idea to yank guys up and down willy-nilly. I honestly don’t see any of these guys as long-term answers, though I am hopeful for Guzman, which is more than I can say for the other two. And who knows, maybe TI will prove me wrong and I will gladly eat crow for that. I can’t be optimistic about his future – even short-term – if he continues to fail to make adjustments.

So yes, I completely agree with you on this. Hopefully, the front-office will find someone this season who can hit a little at 1B, whether it be TI or someone else.

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by cornball on May 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

Bowker is making strides in the “selectivity” part of his hitting. Check out his OBP.

by AmorVincitOmnia on May 11, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, they are better than he’s been this year. It’s all just a matter of how reactive you want to be to Ishikawa’s start. If you think he’s the player he looked like coming into this year (not the one homers could see when they squinted and dreamed but the actual player) then he’s still a little better than those two. If you think his awful start is something that won’t change going forward at the big league level then even scrubs like Bowker/Guzman are a better option in the short term.

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by JakeS on May 10, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d be encouraged if he were walking or occasionally making solid contact. He’s done neither. He won’t be claimed of waivers, so they should be able to let him find his swing in Fresno. Last year, Omar Vizquel was a better offensive player than TI is right now (someone posted the line somewhere else). Something needs to change and I don’t see TI making that change.

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by cornball on May 10, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was my way of agreeing with your last post, btw. If he was making adjustments, I’d say keep him.

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by cornball on May 10, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think we know any more about Bowker and Guzman’s real talent level than we do about Ishikawa’s. People seem to think they’re crushing PCL pitching, but they really aren’t.

by Evan on May 10, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Ishikawa’s defense, how is he supposed to relax and get out of this slump when the manager is showing no faith in you? I’m sure Ishi can accept the platoon with Aurilia temporarily while he’s struggling, because the Giants’ see much more righty pitching than lefty, but when you’re benched like he will be today with a righty going for someone hitting .175, and the manager talks of moving Sandoval to first soon, how he’s supposed to calm down and play up to his capabilities? It’s hard not to press when you’re struggling and know your days are numbered.

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by rxmeister on May 10, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is probably the exact reason why I think it’s time to do something. I don’t think Bochy had any faith in Ishi from the start. Pablo’s first two weeks were brutal with almost all his strikeouts coming within that span. However Bochy has allowed Sandoval to ride out his struggles much like he’s doing with Burriss, but Ishi just wasn’t afforded that opportunity. While I still believe Ishi is not this bad a hitter, I just don’t see him making any sudden changes under the circumstances you’ve alluded to.

by SeeingStars on May 10, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction

Bochy apparently changed his mind, (which means he realizes Aurilia stinks too) and Ishi will play today and bat eighth.

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by rxmeister on May 10, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to hear

Ishi needs to play against pitchers like Weaver. Granted, he hasn’t exactly hit bad pitchers this year very well, he at least has a better shot against a pitcher like Weaver as opposed to Billingsley.

Lets just hope Weaver doesn’t decide to pull out one of his “out of nowhere” gems like he seems to do every once in a while.

by Squire_Boone on May 10, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure that I could muscle up an XBH against Weaver

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by oldjacket on May 10, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hm...

“which means he realizes Aurilia stinks too”

That’s doubtful.

Take a look at both their lines, then look at where they play in the lineup.
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by AmorVincitOmnia on May 11, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. Ishi is not this bad of a hitter, but his confidence is shot. I don’t see how he is going to come out of his slump, apart from regaining his stroke down in AAA. It hasn’t helped that he has been one of 4 or 5 Giants hitters who have struggled.

Ishi is the most fragile young Giants hitter mentally. I think that is one of the reasons he emphasized his trust in God all last year and downplayed his power potential in the spring. He knows the biggest enemy he has is himself. Right now, he is losing that battle.

by Squire_Boone on May 10, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a really interesting point

I agree in thinking he’s his own worst enemy at this point, and that’s unfortunate because a lack of confidence in a game like baseball is tough to overcome

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by Useful_Idiot on May 10, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, so he's historically bad offensively... for 70 AB

He’s also been historically good defensively: his UZR/150 is 20.2, which translates to 2 wins added from his defense at 1B.

He’s also been historically good offensively when it matters: he’s been 3 for 6 with at least a runner on third and 2 outs, resulting in 6 RBI, and 2 for 4 with the bases loaded, resulting in 5 RBI (they overlap, obviously). So he has 11 RBI in 73 AB, which is a pretty good ratio for driving in runs.

Yes, I know, small sampling, but really, 70 AB is pretty much small sampling as well. How about how well he hit in AAA and MLB last season over many more ABs?

And perhaps people are forgetting that after Bowker’s hot start last season, he hit unacceptably playing 1B, in 70 starts, 269 AB, Bowker hit .238/.290/.361/.650. Not as bad as Ishikawa, but still not a great alternative, I would note, after the league adjusted to him.

Here’s how I see this. We need power. Bowker has some power, but that came way late in his development, in his mid-20’s, so I’m not sure how much of that will translate to the majors. He had 6 HR in 269 AB after the league figured him out, or a homer every 45 AB (that’s about a 15 homer season). Ishikawa has had power from the get-go basically, when he was still a teenager. If we could give Castillo (now that was historically bad offense too) and Bowker extended tryouts last season, why not give Ishikawa at least half the chance that they got to see if he can generate the power for us with regular play.

Particularly since Aurilia has been scuffling too. Just leave Ishikawa in there, and if we lose, we lose, but at least we can evaluate him better.

And I understand what Bochy has been doing. People think it is all vet-driven, but player’s confidence can take a hit if they are not experiencing success. A much smarter manager, Earl Weaver, recognized that and for players he brought up, he liked to ease them into major league life, put them into situations where they can succeed. When a hitter has shown a platoon profile coming up the system, the best thing you can do for him (assuming that platoon split is real) is to sit him against the tough left-handers and sometimes tough right-handers too, so that he can keep his confidence up.

Now, I think Ishikawa’s not that bad against LHP, his minor league splits not so bad compared to major leaguer lefty power hitting 1Bmen, so hopefully he will get the chance to play full-time. If he can use yesterday’s game as a jumpstart to his offense, and continue hitting, I think Bochy would start letting Ishikawa hit against LHP. Particularly if Aurilia continues to scuffle hitting. I think they are going to give him a lot of chances to succeed or fail, much like last season for Castillo and Bowker, given how well he hit last season and the fact that he has no more options.

And he doesn’t need to be a great offensive threat to be productive enough at 1B for us. If his defense continues to be sterling like it has been so far this season, he could be below average offensively and still a useful cog. It is not like we have any great prospect being held back because we are giving him time at 1B, though if McPherson ever gets out of rehab and actually play games in Fresno for us, and actually hit, I would think the Giants would bring him up at some point, possibly replacing Aurilia if he continues to scuffle, though Velez would be another option, and get in to the starting mix with Sandoval and Ishikawa, playing corner infield for us.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 12, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s also been historically good defensively: his UZR/150 is 20.2, which translates to 2 wins added from his defense at 1B.

He’s good on defense, but if you think he’s +2 wins good I have some land to sell you!

by xanthan on May 12, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was trying to show how small the sample size is. I think.

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by Cookyman on May 12, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think he was, but I might be mistaken. I’ve read similar things on his website.

by xanthan on May 12, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's basically my point

Historically good defensively, bad offensively: all small samples.

I think he’s capable of good defense, but I have no idea how good. All I know is that the scouts have said that he’s good defensively – major league ready was one I recall when he was drafted, BA comments through the years:

2006: “He’s an excellent defender at first base, with good footwork and fine hands.” #4
2007: “… he also impressed the coaching staff with his smooth fielding at first base. [in his call-up]… his best tool remains his glove.” #11

Minor League Baseball Analyst:

2007: rated above average defensively “Outstanding defense at 1B, with soft hands and good range.”
2008: rated above average defensively “Above average defender with fluid actions…”
2009: rated above average defensively “Plays solid defensive 1B with arm strength and ability to scoop low throws.”

What the heck, for 2009: “Strong/athletic hitter with fluid hitting mechanics and ability to use whole field, which allows him to hit for BA. Power has risen steadily as he has turned on inside pitches more frequently. Plays solid defensive 1B with arm strength and ability to scoop low throws.”

So I think he’s a good defensive player but have no idea what the range on that might be.

But again, if you whip out the small samples hitting, you have to whip out the small samples fielding as well.

And what you know: he’s been hitting the past two days, and his “fresh approach” apparently helped: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090512&content_id=4693012&vkey=news_sf&fext=.jsp&c_id=sf&partnerId=rss_sf

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 13, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 10, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s no reason to get rid of Uribe. NL teams need a super-sub that is capable of playing multiple positions on the infield. Aurilia is a 1B, only, at this point. Uribe is hugely important and is a more than capable bench player. Cutting him actually makes this team worse in the long run. As would playing him every day instead of the every-other-day that we should be seeing over the course of the season.The solution is to either call up Guzman or Bowker from AAA, or to trade some of the middling prospect arms for a middling first baseman (someone who would still be a HUGE improvement over Ishirillia).

As much as I’d love to see Ishi succeed, he looks as if he has zero confidence at the plate right now. Over the past two weeks, we’ve seen little to suggest that he’s making adjustments. There’s also little chance that he would be claimed off waivers. Bring up Guzman, bring up Bowker, do something, sign someone. Let Travis find his swing in Fresno and if he knocks the cover off the ball or someone gets hurt, bring him back up. I know a lot of people are saying that there’s still time to let him show something. This team is a historically unique position. With the combination of great pitching and Manny’s absence, this team can easily be a contender this year. A modest upgrade offensively (say to an even below-average offensive first baseman) would put this team in the WC and division races for the next couple months. And what do we lose – barring any imminent trade – if TI gets sent down and the team still struggles?

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by cornball on May 10, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you send TI down, I think you do it in a way that can boost his confidence. For example, it wouldn’t do him any good if he was demoted with the intention of being replaced full time by Bowker or Guzman. But, if Bochy were to tell him that he knows TI is a better hitter than this, and that the demotion is simply to allow him to regain his stroke, then it might be beneficial.

by Squire_Boone on May 10, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This reminds me of something Dusty Baker actually did well as manager: remember when he would bench a guy for a few days and have the player sit next to him in the dugout? I’m not sure whether Boulderhead has any ability to inspire some confidence in a player, but it would probably be useful to sit Ishikawa for several days to take off some of the pressure.

Because seriously, Ishikawa is more talented than this, and I don’t know if sending him down to mash at AAA is going to help, because the same issues are going to come up when he’s called up again.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 10, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

As strange as it feels to say, this is one aspect of Baker Bochy might want to emulate.

I have heard Bochy express confidence in Burriss multiple times. I have not heard the same from him about TI. I don’t recall Bochy publicly saying that, as longs as TI gives good at-bats and plays good defense, that he will play every day (that the G-men play a RHP).

TI need to knows someone believes in his ability, especially his manager.

by Squire_Boone on May 10, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Bochy is the worst Giant’s Manager in my lifetime. So, yeah I would like for him to learn something from Baker.

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by kennv on May 10, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Alou?

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by Bhaakon on May 12, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d prefer Felipe’s “gut” to Bochy’s “brain” at this point. Maybe I just don’t remember Alou’s bullpen usage that well, but it seems that Bochy mimics Alou’s negative characteristics on bullpen management and combines it with ridiculous lineup management, and hackneyed lefty-righty switches/substitutions. In the same way Bochy seems to mimic Baker’s negative characteristics of vet-love, but combines it with non-platoon platoons, double switches and Velez.

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by kennv on May 13, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alou was horrible at bullpen management. He would get guys up in the bullpen like three times in a game without actually putting them in the game, he would run one reliever out there every day…

It was ugly.

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by groug on May 13, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems to me like Affeldt and Wilson have been used this way. Warm-up nearly everyday and then pitch .1-2 innings. Not as bad as Alou, mind you. But nearly. Combined with other Bochyisms is what convinces me he overtakes Alou on the bad manager scale.

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by kennv on May 14, 2009 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think either of them has anything on Jim Brower.

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by groug on May 14, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, this isn’t a fanpost about Kazuhisa Ishii…

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by zenbitz on May 10, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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by wilriv21 on May 10, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let Travis play everyday for another month or so.

Let the kid play out of his slump. He is not going to start hitting by sitting on the bench, or by pulling him out everytime he comes up with men on base after the 5th inning. He has power, and could hit 400 in his next 50 AB’s. I might not give him this chance, but the kid is a good fielder, and has shown some hitting prowess in the minors.

by bradleybear on May 10, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm in agreement

ishikawa has not just been a good fielder: the giants are ranked #2 by UZR/150 at first base so far this year. and that’s been dragged down quite a bit by aurilia’s good (chris davis good) play in 85 innings.i think his D has earned him more of a leash, especially when combined with the facts that 1) he’s out of options and 2) burriss had about the same PAs, and was starting more consistently, when he started hitting.

i’d sit him against lefties at AT&T, and otherwise have him in there everyday for another 100 plate appearances or so. guzman, bowker and rohlinger can all use the extra time refining their skills in AAA. sending him down in early june or so would give him time to get his confidence back and mash AAA for awhile and still have time to bounce back in SF in august and september.

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by jasomack on May 11, 2009 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

for aurilia, i meant NOT chris davis good. davis has a +24, ishikawa a +20, and aurilia around +6.

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by jasomack on May 11, 2009 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m in this camp as well. Let’s talk about this on June 7th or so.

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by bgunn on May 11, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m gathered around this campfire, and if June comes and no hitting is manifest, I think it’s obvious that a power hitting first baseman is at the top of the Giants trade deadline wishlist…

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by Johnny Disaster on May 11, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giants could break last years record.

We may not even get up to 80 homers this year, unless a few guys go on some sustained hot streaks which include some 4 base power.

by bradleybear on May 10, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I said at the beginning of the season that I thought this year’s offense had a good chance to be worse than last year’s offense.

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 10, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i didn’t check today… but as of yesterday they had the least runs scored in the league. luckily for them, they also had the least runs given up.

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That’s the essence of the ‘09 Giants, but I don’t think it’s luck.

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by Johnny Disaster on May 11, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I check these team offensive stats fairly often; now that the A’s have hit a couple of HRs and the Diamondbacks have gotten on base a few times, the Giants have the cellar to themselves in every offensive category except SLG (the A’s offense is equally laughable).

Also, this year team is on pace to score 588.6 runs (I’m going to go ahead and round that down) which would fall well short of last year’s 640. I know the scoring is likely to increase as the weather warms up and the Giants play more games in some of the ballparks outside the NL West, but this race of offensive shittyness is going to be fun (or miserable) to watch all season.

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 11, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

 check these team offensive stats fairly often; now that the A’s have hit a couple of HRs and the Diamondbacks have gotten on base a few times, the Giants have the cellar to themselves in every offensive category except SLG (the A’s offense is equally laughable>>>

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by Mordy From Monsey on May 11, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Ishikawa have any options left?

by SFGuy on May 10, 2009 10:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure that he does not

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Sure, I mean, he could start trying to learn hockey.

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by JakeS on May 11, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

basically. Travis better start hitting and F’ing soon, or else. I say give him another week and then bring up Jesus to play 1b, or bring up Rohlinger and shift Pablo to 1st. If we can’t send Travis down then send down Velez.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 10, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Velez might go if Torres is ready to return. He’s eligible on Wednesday.

by SFGuy on May 11, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He must have been listening to you

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 12, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I swear if Pablo goes to first and Juan Uribe becomes the starting first baseman … why not just make Velez the permanent starter in LF while we’re at it? That would ensure we always have speed in our batting order.

I really wish Sabean would drop these two sacks of bricks.

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by Persiflage on May 11, 2009 8:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Because Velez (like Schierholtz) lacks that veteran clutchitude that’s been carrying the Giants all these years. You see, you don’t know it, but the Giants would actually have lost 181 games last year without Rich Aurilia.

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by JakeS on May 11, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t understand the hatred for Uribe. He’s a f’in UTILITY INFIELDER!!! He’s not starting, he’s not getting a ton of AB’s, and he can play everywhere in the IF if you need him to. Do I want him to get regular starts at 3B? Hell no. Do I like a guy with a little pop and the ability to fill in at 3 or 4 positions for late inning double switches and the occasional day off? Yes.

by tyrannoman on May 11, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s mostly in reaction to the ‘move Pablo to first, start Uribe at third’ supporters. I also like him as a utility guy making spot starts, but not so much as an everyday starter.

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by Johnny Disaster on May 11, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s also more tolerable when you aren’t watching him. His ABs just look ugly.

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by rotorueter on May 11, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only hate Uribe because Xanthan believes in him.

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by Zetsuboushita on May 11, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uribe is a perfectly good bench player

What do you folks have against backups? I don’t want to see Uribe starting, but as a utility IF and bat off the bench he’s been perfectly adequate. Why should Sabean drop someone who’s doing exactly the job he was signed for?

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by EliminateMe on May 11, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It kind of cracks me up how people around here complain (rightfully) about the Giants rushing Bocock and Burriss to the big leagues and then also complain about any at bats being wasted on a non-prospect like Castillo or Uribe. Given the state the Giants are in, there aren’t a whole lot of other options here. If Uribe wasn’t on this team they would be using that roster spot on somebody who really needs more development time like Rohlinger, or on somebody like Guzman who is much much better off playing everyday in AAA than wasting away on a MLB bench. Uribe is the perfect guy to fill this role on this team.

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commonality:

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by zenbitz on May 11, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ishikawa can't layoff curveballs and he also can't hit them.

I am sure that’s what every pitcher he faces is throwing him. He has the same hole in his swing as Bowker and both just love to swing through curveballs low in the strike zone.

I’d give him one more month and if he is still hanging around .200 BA plus striking out a ton, time for a change.

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by Goofus on May 11, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not the best fastball hitter either.

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by ResDog on May 12, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Bochyass much like his predecessors Bozo Baker and Fluzy Alou do not have the ability, to discern between Bench talent and starting talent. They just can’t hold themselves back given the option between a veteran bench player or a gifted rookie. They all had the proclivity to stick with an overaged veteran at the expense of a rookie.

Thats why it is dangerous for this team to sign Non Roster Invitess to spring trainin, becauae ultimately they generally find themselves in starting roles..

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by Mordy From Monsey on May 11, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

any examples this year? This has to be the most uninformed critique of Bochy I’ve read this year. After he totally screwed up the first series in LA, I’m firmly in the “Dump Bochy” camp, but this is just stupid. T-Ish is still taking the bulk of the AB’s, Burris could’ve been supplanted two weeks ago, and Fred is still trotting out to LF every day. I know you don’t want to let facts get in the way of a good rant, but come on.

by tyrannoman on May 11, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wanting to play Uribe everyday is more than enough…

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by Mordy From Monsey on May 11, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But i’ll also throw in Schierholtz who rides the bench even though the veteran Rowand/ and or Winn has struggled…

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by Mordy From Monsey on May 11, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

neither of those guys have struggled anywhere near the tune of .188/ .250/ .246

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 11, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s still in discussion mode. Don’t get all worked up over a lineup change that hasn’t happened yet. Is it worth being a little concerned about? Yup. I also don’t believe that Bochy is adamate about playing Uribe everyday. Lots of ideas get floated when two of your starting pitchers have better numbers than your first basemen.

by tyrannoman on May 11, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Show me a gifted position rookies first

There is a reason none of these position prospects made any Top 100 prospect list. Still, they are the best we got and maybe they can be average enough that they can be complementary players when we do have better offensive players in the lineup.

And if you are going to complain about that, then you need to acknowledge that Bochy and gang has been very good about discerning talent for pitchers, the pitching staff is mostly homegrown, including the starting rotation.

So they are smart and patient with pitchers but dumb and vet-driven with position players? I don’t think so, it is a matter that there has been talent among the pitchers but not among the hitters.

Plus, if you haven’t noticed, Sandoval, Burriss and Lewis were given the opportunity to start full-time, Lewis in particular, they could have sat him again after Roberts came back last season, but they kept Lewis in. And they kept with Sandoval and Burriss even when they were scuffling, and now both are hitting.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 12, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Andrew Baggerly

Giants hitting staff are working on adjusting Ishikawa’s stance to better help him turn on inside pitches.

I was thinking about this very idea recently. TI is a big guy (6 ft. 3, 225 lbs.) but he doesn’t look it at the plate. What do you all think about adjusting his stance? Obviously, this wouldn’t solve his breaking ball problem, but could it potentially allow him to make more consistent contact? Could an adjustment in his stance help him generate more power?

TI has shown in the minors that he has the skills to hit for power and draw walks, but he has yet to show that this year (his walk rate is low considering his track record).

by Squire_Boone on May 11, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm worried

He did have a couple years where his hitting was awful in the minors after he started out well. Anyone know what changed or what they ‘fixed’ to make him hit again last year?

by m34josh on May 11, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who does he play for?

So is there any explaination for 06 & 07? Or are we blaming it all on Dodd?

Stats below
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=ishika001tra

by m34josh on May 11, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that he wasn’t very good.

Then he looked good last year, but it might turn out that he’s still not very good. It happens.

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by groug on May 11, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

one of these things is not like the others:

2002: .295/ .355/ .410
2003: .233/ .355/ .342
2004: .254/ .341/ .442
2005: .282/ .387/ .532
2006: .232/ .316/ .403
2007: .243/ .319/ .431
2008: .299/ .377/ .578

so who exactly is surprised that 2009 more resembles his 4 shitty professional seasons than his 2 good ones?

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 11, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2005 was pretty okay

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on May 12, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s why he said 2 good ones.

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by Cookyman on May 12, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

in 2006

He had this split at Dodd:

home: .212/.289/.314/.603, 3 HR in 137 AB, 46 AB/HR, 24% XBH%
away: .244/.332/.470/.802, 7 HR in 164 AB, 23 AB/HR, 50% XBH%

So he was actually OK in AA in 2006, much like Schierholtz, and should have been promoted to AAA with Nate, but getting stuck back in AA, where he had to struggle with hitting at that park, I would have been depressed about that too and have a sucky year in 2007.

Dodd Stadium reduces all power by roughly 40-50%, both by AB/HR, ISO, and SLG. It would take a strong mind to get through that. He needed to find Jesus to do that, to basically let his skills take over instead of worrying and adjusting his stance a million times trying to crack the Dodd nut.

By that measure, he has had 3 good seasons out of the past 4, when it counted more, at the upper levels of the minors, so this season does not fit in with the prior recent performances, in my estimation.

Not that I think he can be great. But if we can get a low to mid 700 OPS out of him plus great defense, then that is valuable and he can hold the spot until Villalona is ready to take 1B, or if there is a good free agent 1B who is not a client of Boras.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 12, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t he have injury issues in ‘06 as well? If i remember right, he started off hot, then the Giants brought him up early in the season for like a week, then sent him down where he cooled off and got hurt. Now, that doesn’t really explain his bad 2007, but it at least shows that his progress in 2006 was hampered by injuries and bad development decisions.

I agree his stats have never really been impressive (except in ’05 and ’08), but he has always shown some useful skills (power, walks, defense) that one would hope might, just might, become major league quality.

by Squire_Boone on May 12, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But if we can get a low to mid 700 OPS out of him plus great defense

yeah, and if I can get a bunch of unicorns I’m sure I can make a lot of money selling them.

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 12, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if I get a bunch of UCLA graduates...

I guess we get flu-like symptoms?

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 13, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact is

Ishikawa’s 2008 season worked out to a cumulative MLE of .252/.310/.458/.768 with 18 HR in 421 AB. That with great defense I would definitely take. But his 2005-6 stats were more that of a low .600 OPS hitter, which, averaged with last year, would be around .700 OPS.

I think that is possible for him, it is not unicorn land. Most of the major projections have Ishikawa anywhere from .700 OPS to roughly .800 OPS. Not that they are infallible, but they base those projections on how well he has done previously and factor all that into his 2009 projection. The skills are there, based on his past and the projections, the question is whether God will allow him to accomplish what his god-given skills should do.

That, perhaps, you think is unicorn land, but I am still not sold either way, and would hope the Giants can be patient enough to give him an extended chance, much like Niekro, Ellison, Lewis, Castillo, and Bowker got the past few years. I think his potential is high enough that we have to see it through and see what we got, rather than throw away a prospect just because he disappointed you one too many times in the past, but appear (from 2008) to have figured out many of his problems, at least in 2008.

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"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
"Let's go get them in 2009!" - The Kid
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 13, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

... he'd still be barely replacement level?

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by zenbitz on May 13, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's refering to

Jesus Guzman, in AAA

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 13, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope

Referring to TI’s claim that he found god and that is why he had a resurgence.

by FairweatherFan on May 13, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thus the title of my post up there… “I’m worried” lol

by m34josh on May 11, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

His problem

as he has put it, or rather his solution, is he decided to put everything in the hands of God.

To me, that means he was overthinking everything when he was at the plate, which took him out of what he can do when he’s going good and just “see pitch, hit pitch”. People who overthink can’t rely on muscle memory, on all the practice they did, they revert back to being a novice-level talent, because their brain becomes part of the process of doing the motion and basically slows things up.

That happened to me in grade school. I totally impressed the captain of my team playing 3B while we were having fun with an illegal hardball, so he made me the starting 3B for our lunchtime league. Once the games started, I was focused too much on throwing the ball instead of just doing it, and all my throws even Yao Ming wouldn’t have caught them. I was soon moved to the cliched “Left-out” or “Pitcher’s Mound” positions.

I have no idea whether he can make it, not every hitter who do well in the minors can get it to work up in the majors. But he has shown enough, particularly in the power department, that I would be patient and give him more time to figure things out, particularly since the division title should not be our goal for this year, developing our players and determining who the keepers are and who are not keepers.

The good news, to me, is that most of the scouting reports I’ve seen on him says that he has the talent to stay in the majors, with his combination of defense, plus power, and ability to take walks. Apparently one scout thinks he turned the corner in 2008 and can hit for average now, which would make him JT Snow but with power, if he can put that all together. I would give a player like that more chances.

But I understand why others are down on him, they just look at the top-line numbers without considering the circumstances, and by that measure, he’s not very good. If we had position players coming out of the wazoo, then I might feel the same way, but our cupboard has been barren of position prospects for a long while, so I’ve been protective of him in boards because he at least has shown some plus skills on and off, particularly power, and, really, we haven’t really had anyone that good to just throw him away on a whim.

It gets back to that saying: “Beggars can’t be choosers”. We need to give our best position prospects a lot of rope because we have no choice, as Sabean noted the other off-season about having to listen to other teams’ trade offers. I don’t think Guzman is an option for this year. McPherson could have been if he weren’t injured and still not playing real games yet. Bowker wasn’t that great defensively there.

Even Will Clark struggled greatly after his first great week, teams started figuring him out he had around a 700 OPS after that until his injury, and a low 600 OPS from the end of April to his injury. Young players are always going to have their ups and downs, if I recall right, Willie Mays didn’t get a hit his first 20+ ABs.

Not to say Ishikawa is as good as either, not even close, but it goes to show that you have to have some trust to keep prospects up. Ishikawa did very well last season, and had spurts of good hitting since San Jose, if you factor out Dodd. Scouts have liked him for a long time, he was rated a top 4 prospect once for our team. Even if he’s not hitting, if he’s contributing good defense, that helps.

Even with the nice couple of games, I don’t know if he’s going to make it. Baseball is like the first big reality TV/event. But he has done enough that I would give him more time, I still think by mid-June is a good point, either way, to decide on what to do.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 13, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets try Osiris Matos!

by GrahamCrakalaka on May 11, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

who by the way is leading the team in Avg (1.000), OBP (1.000), and RBIs (1)

by GrahamCrakalaka on May 12, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If and when the decision is made to sit Ishi...

…and assuming the Giants still aren’t ready to gamble on Guzman, I’d rather they call up Frandsen. Start him at first and leave Sandoval at third and Uribe on the bench.

I realize Frandsen’s future is not as a first baseman, but he should be able to handle it defensively (having played everywhere else in the infield) and he could get enough PAs to get a decent evaluation.

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by EliminateMe on May 12, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Frandsen’s future would seem to super utility or AAAA so this makes sense to me.

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by daveinexile on May 13, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frandsen’s time is coming I think. But there are so many hot hands in Fresno right now, that it might confuse Small Sample Sabean. This is the year to establish if Frandsen is worth a spot on the 25 man roster for next year as the utility infielder. In the next few weeks, I’m thinking Torres for Velez, and then Frandsen for Aurilia, unless a handy injury opens up a spot. I wouldn’t mind a Velez for Frandsen swap. I think Kevin could be just as good of a back-up 5th 0F as Velez. Rowand and Winn (and Lewis) should be enough to cover CF.

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by kennv on May 13, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baby steps!
I’m thinking Torres for Velez

I’d take a pile of elephant crap for Velez right now. At least shit would have a reason to stink.

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by bkrhater on May 13, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rally "ishii gotta go" thread!

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by kennv on May 13, 2009 8:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, I am not advanced in my analysis and certainly not going to win any arguments with the more knowledgeable/opinionated posters here, but the way I look at it, this is pretty simple. It’s about commitment and fortitude.
At the beginning of the year the Giants (rightly, IMHO) decided that outside of a miracle, they were not winning the World Series. In addition, the bevy of talented young hitters in the organization were not going to be ready for everyday play this year. So they decided (among other things) to play TI, Sandoval and Burriss (and apparently keep Nate twisting in the wind) and find out exactly what they have.
The price of that knowledge has been and will continue be the possibility of some serious suck out on the field. The only way to make that price worth it is to PLAY THE KIDS. You must display commitment and fortitude. Do not panic. If you have less than 1/2 a season (and more likely a full season) of play from these three (and at the positions they are trying to find out about), you will not have enough data to make an informed decision. You will have lost out on one of the more important things that can come out of this year – actual data to guide your decisions regarding personnel in the offseason and beyond…
Because I have high hopes that the Giants will be improving for the next few years, I am willing to pay the price. If Travis is still on the interstate as the trade deadline approaches, trading for a power hitting first baseman is an obvious move, but until then, I stand pat.
Of course, if you believe that the Giants are one player away from winning a ring in ’09, the preceding is horseshit.

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by Johnny Disaster on May 13, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, the problem with that is

Somehow the Giants are 2 games over 500 and only 4 games out.

Making a move for a power hitting 1b might just be enough in a Manny-less NL West.

If the team were instead 10-18 right now I think most here would be 100% behind the “play the kids” movement.

by FairweatherFan on May 14, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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