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Official 2009 Fresno Roster

 http://community.cbs47.tv/blogs/andrewblog/archive/2009/04/06/3838274.aspx

 

Pitchers (12)

Geno Espineli

Steve Hammond

Matt Kinney

Osiris Matos

Justin Miller

Patrick Misch

Ramon Ortiz

Steve Palazzolo

Kevin Pucetas

Billy Sadler

Ryan Sadowski

Keiichi Yabu

 

Catchers (2)

Steve Holm

Eli Whiteside

 

Infielders (6)

Matt Downs

Kevin Frandsen

Jesus Guzman

Scott McClain

Ryan Rohlinger

Jake Wald

 

Outfielders (4)

John Bowker

Brian Horwitz

Mike McBryde

Clay Timpner


It seems a lot of good players are going to go extended stretches without atbats.

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Anyone know what the rotation is going to be. I am going to go to a couple of the games in Portland this weekend. I would like to avoid an Ortiz start.

Brett Pill - Lord of the double.

by malarky on Apr 6, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

For what it is worht I noticed the Monday night game is suppose to be carrying on the local sport cable channel (whatever it is being called this month).

Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Apr 7, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fresno will be pretty terrible, won’t they?

by SFGuy on Apr 6, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions  

that’s what I thought when I read that roster.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell

by WTF on Apr 6, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fresno Reclamation Project in full effect

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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 6, 2009 5:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Wait where’s Santos?

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Sources say….?

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Kevin Frandsen should be with the big team.

by WalrusMan on Apr 7, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m gonna ask when I get to Fresno.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 7, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why Two Catchers?

The big club doesn’t need two, this will just make our minor league catchers soft and week.

by Angry Dwarf on Apr 6, 2009 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I got the press release on the Fresno roster in my email today and it seems Sadler has been added to the rotation. I don’t know if this is the rotation order, but the press release says Pucetas, Hammond, Kinney, Sadowski, and Sadler.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2009 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I like this. Relievers who can’t throw strikes should be starting in the minors. They need reps more than anything else.

by Evan on Apr 6, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kinney is still on the team?

Lordy. I remember attending a Fresno game and being thoroughly impressed with him, then when he made it up to the bigs…well, not so much.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Apr 7, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

SadLOLer

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Apr 7, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sadowski, and Sadler

Sad and sader.

(I dont really know anything about Sadowski, but he had to be used for the pun’s sake)

They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long

by bgunn on Apr 8, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right?

I’m looking at that infield, and I can see Rohlinger and Downs surprising the hell out of everyone. If they both hit to expectation, they plus Guzman make a decent heart of the order.

And meanwhile, Jake Wald… is.

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by multiphasic on Apr 6, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

So the infield is...

Infielders (6) Kevin Frandsen 2B , Scott McClain 1B, Ryan Rohlinger 3B, Jake Wald SS

Matt Downs Utility ?
Jesus Guzman 3B , SS ?

"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move."-Leroy "Satchel" Paige

My adopted son Matt Downs . Utility Infielder with a Bat !

by nvsfg on Apr 6, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions  

There was some talk of Guzman at first.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kevin Frandsen is a utility player.

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by WalrusMan on Apr 6, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

?

I thought he was a gamer. Huh.

Stupid is as Ruben Rivera does...

by bkrhater on Apr 7, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

McClain's gotta be on the bench.

Makes no sense to start him when you have 4 corner infielders who still qualify as prospects. Guzman and Downs both have some experience at 1B as well as 3B.

I imagine Frandsen and Downs will both get plenty of starts even if they’re at various positions.

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by EliminateMe on Apr 6, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the idea of Matt Downs getting plenty of starts. I am kind of biased though.

I’m not quite ready to give up on Frandsen yet either.

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by nvsfg on Apr 6, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

Downs and Frandsen will be on rotation through the infield, and maybe some OF starts if there are any nagging injuries there. I could see Rohlinger getting in on the merry-go-round. They seem to think his range could work at 2b and at maybe back-up short stop, too. And then if Guzman sucks equally at fielding every position, they may just add him to the utl mix as well. maybe. perhaps.

I’m excited to see Downs and Guzman’s power in AAA. And if Rohlinger can keep his power up.

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by kennv on Apr 7, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so...

Wald looks like a backup to me, and the utility guy.

Honestly, I’m smelling a Frandsen SS move, with Downs at second, and Guzman splitting time with McClain at first and DHing.

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by BruteSentiment on Apr 6, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought we traded for Sergio Santos to play SS in Fresno.

Brett Pill - Lord of the double.

by malarky on Apr 6, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

So did I...

…which is a bit of a mystery…he’s not in CT either. No word yet on if there’s an injury, but I doubt he’d have been traded for if he had one.

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by BruteSentiment on Apr 7, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

PTBNL? in his own trade?

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Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.

by kennv on Apr 7, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't be the first time

Remember Harry?

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by BruteSentiment on Apr 7, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve got a bad feeling about Pucetas this year.

by xanthan on Apr 6, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm looking forward to see what he does in AAA

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by thehavenot on Apr 6, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

As I learned in sex ed

Just because you’ve gone a year without a Matt Kinney doesn’t mean your Matt Kinneys have gone away.

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by multiphasic on Apr 6, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I wasn’t even aware he was off the team last year. In Japan last year he did alright it looks like.

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Kevin Frandsen should be with the big team.

by WalrusMan on Apr 6, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's too bad Ben Snyder caught rabies and had to be put down.

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by multiphasic on Apr 6, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

In heaven?

Or, y’know, the opposite, i.e. Phoenix.

My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.

by multiphasic on Apr 6, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

For some reason I thought espineli was out of the org.

Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa

by raisingcain on Apr 6, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

just off the 40-man roster.

Bonds stands alone.

Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal

by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 6, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought so too. I guess he was just outrighted and cleared waivers.

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by jcb9 on Apr 6, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was his first time, and he hadn't reached the minimums to be needed to be placed on waivers...

…anymore such moves, he’ll have to be risked that way.

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by BruteSentiment on Apr 6, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I know what box score I’ll be checking last each morning.

by KCE on Apr 6, 2009 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Come on steve!

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by WalrusMan on Apr 7, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow...just because San Jose is so good....

I mean, really, all this negativity?

This roster has possibly the most well-rounded power lineup, with Downs, Guzman, Bowker and, oh yea, Crash McClain. Meanwhile, the developments of Frandsen and McBryde should be very interesting for Gians fans.

The pitching staff…yea, a bit less interesting, and it will be the weakness of this team, but I’ll like following Espineli, Pucestas and Misch for the future of this team, and I still think the team made a mistake by not keeping Miller in the bigs, as he really looked good until the very end of ST.

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by BruteSentiment on Apr 6, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree, this team will definatly score more runs then the big league team and it will certainly hit more homeruns too.

by Arizona Mayhem on Apr 6, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kinda hard to get excited about a minor league team with only 4 players under 25.

by microwave donut on Apr 6, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was hoping English would end up here, to be honest. And I was looking forward to seeing what Sergio Santos can do.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, I agree

This looks like a decent team. Certainly a hell of a lot better than last year’s Fresno team

by FluLikeSymptoms on Apr 6, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I called the infield a clusterfuck of mediocre talent but that’s when I expected Rohlinger, Bocock, etc. to be there. Downs and Guzman certainly make it more interesting. Bowker should get back to hitting. And watching McClain play is simply a joy.

Miller really did throw well and I’m surprised they took Medders over him.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other than SFGuy, I’m not sure where “all this negativity” is.

by Natto on Apr 6, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beating a dead horse I know, but we’ve already seen the “development” of Kevin Frandsen. He’s raked in Fresno before and he’s going to do it again. It really is ridiculous that he’s on this team instead of Velez.

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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Apr 6, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen.

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by Lyle on Apr 7, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brute, or other prospect hounds, any tips on what to watch for when seeing McBryde? This year shold provide the first time I get to see him. I’ve read he is fast and "toolsey" but "toolsey" is one of the words that has been (ab)used so much it is almost vague and unhelpful at the same time.

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by daveinexile on Apr 7, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

on McBryde

I’d want to watch McBryde play defense. I’d hope the other teams hit some stuff towards the gaps. He can really cover a lot of ground. When he and Burriss were drafted, the Giants said McBryde was faster than Burriss, and Burriss was rated the fastest middle infielder in the entire draft as I recall. And if someone tries to run on him, great arm too. But the real question for him as a prospect is his approach at the plate. He really just didn’t have an idea of what to do when he got drafted. I didn’t really get to see him last year, but the stats would suggest that he worked very much on getting on base and not focusing on hitting for any power.

by steve S on Apr 7, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ditto on what Steve said...

Pretty much, enjoy his defense. But what he’ll need to do is figure out a way to hit at least some to not be the new version of Clay Timpner.

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by BruteSentiment on Apr 7, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

there certainly are some interesting players to watch here, but I think the lack of excitement about this team is the relative lack of upside among most of the players. This is the roster with the career minor leaguers (McClain, Kinney), major league vets trying to claw their way back into the league (Ortiz, Miller, Yabu?), former prospecty-type players who seem to have hit their ceilings (Timpner, Horwitz) and Fresno to SF to Fresno guys (Bowker, Misch, Holm, Frandsen, Matos, Sadler). These are all guys who aren’t in their first go around in AAA and won’t be having breakout seasons there.

There are other guys who are interesting and still have major league upside, like Guzman, Rohlinger, Downs, Pucetas, and McBryde, but even that isn’t an overwhelming group.

This isn’t to say the team won’t play well, but in terms of legit prospects, the team is lacking. I don’t know if there is hostility or negativity about the roster, but if there is, this explanation is probably a good reason for it.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 7, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

that’s all well and good, but let’s have some perspective here. It has been a while since the Giants have had a lot of true prospects in AAA (other than those 5 scintillating Lincecum starts). I see this team as a major improvement, in terms of both the quality of the team and the number of prospects worth watching, over recent Fresno teams.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Apr 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Projected Starting Lineup

SS Kevin Frandsen
3B Ryan Rohlinger
1B Jesus Guzman
DH Scott McClain
RF John Bowker
2B Matt Downs
C Steve Holm
LF Mike McBryde
CF Clay Timpner

by Arizona Mayhem on Apr 6, 2009 8:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Not to pick nits...

But i think McBride is in Center or Right. He has an incredib;le arm, and is regarded as the best defensive center feilder in the org.

by OmahaGiants on Apr 6, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m with you on McBryde.

"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 6, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

That roster essentially has two LF’s and two CF’s – no true RF. Which, perhaps, is also an indictment of previous drafts (RF being the place where the most gifted OF’s go).

I guess you’d put McBryde in RF, just based on his arm. My understanding is that Bowker is strictly a LF. And Horwitz is, well, Horwitz.

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by Lyle on Apr 7, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who knows what he is.

Games
2008 MLB 5 LF 14 RF
2008 AAA LF 7 RF 3
2007 AA LF 15 CF 24 RF 87

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by WalrusMan on Apr 7, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Bowker’s actually played more RF than LF in his career.

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by EliminateMe on Apr 7, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont get bringing back kinney

or converting sadler into an sp

and where oh where is gb?

by bacci40 on Apr 6, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

So we really don’t have a shortstop to come up if something happens to Burris and Diahrea? Thats kind of scary because Frandsen can’t cut it playing short at the big league level

by m34josh on Apr 6, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Pretty sure the next in line would be Uribe.

by Fresburg on Apr 6, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many teams really have a 3rd backup for every position?

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by WalrusMan on Apr 7, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's silly.

You only need 3rd backups at second base and center field.

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by EliminateMe on Apr 7, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m rooting for friend of the site Steve Palazzolo like I was paid to do it.

by Grant Brisbee on Apr 6, 2009 11:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m rooting for him only because of the potential gameday thread Naked Gun references.

by mxmob33 on Apr 6, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s better than rooting for him like you’re holding a grudge.

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by BruteSentiment on Apr 7, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

no prospects here... but some talent filler.

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by zenbitz on Apr 7, 2009 6:15 AM PDT reply actions  

For those of you in Fresno

Apparently they’re going to broadcast Grizzlies game on channel 30.2….I don’t think I’ll be able to pick it up since I have Dish, but some of you may once this fancy shmancy digital conversion comes into effect.

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by UnleashTheGore on Apr 7, 2009 7:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Holm v Witter, POWER, and Utl in SF

I don’t get why Witter isn’t in AAA. I guess they want to get Holm AB so he can “develop.” But when he gets bumped or Eli goes wherever Eli goes when they have a real prospect, I expect Witter to be moved to Fresno. And when he gets there, it will be real ultimate power.

Downs, Guzman, McClain, Bowker, and Witter could all hit 20 home runs in Fresno easily. Then Franny will have the chance to slug over 500 and if Rohlinger has ‘put on muscle’ and continues his 9 inning homer bonanza then they both could be on the “power” threat list. That fills out 7 spots in the order.

But then I don’t expect Franny to be in AAA the whole season. They seem to want to get him reps after his year off, but then will move him happily to utl-role bench rotting spot on the roster.

I still think Uribe should be in Fresno, where his power would shine and maybe his trade value increase – unlike sitting on the bench in SF.

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by kennv on Apr 7, 2009 7:39 AM PDT reply actions  

whats the final fate of josh phelps?

velez in compare it will resemble posterity of the mutant of effigy and tin person, who tries to grip monkeys in flight

candy Buddha, if ortiz enters into ANY game, which is close one in this year, I will tear all chapters of barbies of my sister and will force them to carry out vorpal [fellyatsiyu] on the plastic packet of the meat of skeletor…, and then I will decompose the universe

by Headhunter Rollins on Apr 7, 2009 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

two other omissions

Maybe I am out of date on their status in the organization, but I also noticed that P Francis Beltran and 1B Josh Phelps were not on the fresno roster. Both were NRIs to big league camp this spring. Ronnie Ray is another NRI who did not show up on Fresno’s or Connecticut’s roster.

Other players not showing up on either roster would include three pitchers who spent most of last year with Connecticut: Dave McKae, Taylor Wilding, Paul Oseguera.

by steve S on Apr 7, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Phelps had some injury issues didn’t he?

maybe extended ST before being added to a roster?

Fairley odd parent to Wendell-converting tools into skills since 2008...

by WTF on Apr 7, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

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