San Francisco Giants Top 30 Prospects
by Grant on Apr 28, 2009 1:35 PM PDT
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‘Tis as good a time as any, I suppose:
Top 30 Prospects, Wild Overreaction to Early Samples Edition:
I had an early list here, but why go on that when we have 60 at-bats and 20 innings pitched on which to make a value judgment?
1. Buster Posey
This was where I had him at the start of the season, and his crazy .361/.452/.625 start isn’t going to change my mind.
2. Madison Bumgarner
This was where I had him at the start of the season, and he’s given up one earned run in three starts. I think that means his career ERA went up.
3. Angel Villalona
Four walks! By Jove, I’ll take that. The strikeout rate is still a little high, but the dude’s a zygote.
4. Tim Alderson
Rough outing last time, but his control has been good at the start of the year.
5. Nick Noonan
I’ve seen him play a couple of times now, and he always impresses. The strikeout rate is high, but his splits make me think that Municipal Stadium is part of the problem for a lot of these young hitters.
6. Conor Gillaspie
I hope he starts hitting for any sort of power, as his eye is nice (14 walks, 67 at-bats). I’m a little discouraged by the total lack of power, though, even if it’s still early.
7. Henry Sosa
He was the talk of camp, apparently, and he’s doing well in Connecticut. I’ll take the early March buzz seriously, and bump Sosa up a couple of notches.
8. Brandon Crawford
I really want to rank him #3, but that’s because I’m drunk on small sample size wine. I can’t blame his strikeouts on Muni, though, because he’s as whiff-prone on the road. And just a wild guess, but I’m thinking that .500 batting average on balls put in play is going to come down just a wee bit. A good defensive shortstop, though, with any chance at offensive production should be in an organization’s top ten unless the organization is crazy deep.
9. Ehire Adrianza
This is lower than Baseball America had him before the season, and he hasn’t embarrassed himself as a teenager in the Sally. This is probably too low, but that sample size wine hangover is brutal.
10. Scott Barnes
I still don’t understand how 90+mph lefties last until the 8th-round, but okay. He’s done fine as a Matt Cain-style third starter by default in San Jose.
11. Rafael Rodriguez
12. Roger Kieschnick
13. Edwin Quirarte – I saw him pitch only one inning, but that was enough to have a new favorite pet prospect.
14. Jesus Guzman
15. Clayton Tanner
16. Thomas Neal
17. Joe Martinez
18. Michael McBryde
19. Craig Clark – I’m not sure why I didn’t have him on the last list, but he’s off to a good start this year.
20. Wendell Fairley – and sinking…
21. Hector Sanchez – Don’t know a thing about him other than his age, stats, and position, but those are points in his favor.
22. Jesse English
23. Waldis Joaquin
24. Matt Downs – Slow start, but the enthusiasm of the organization in the spring bumps him up.
25. Aaron King
26. Ben Snyder – I guess he’s a reliever now? That’s a shame.
27. Kevin Pucetas
28. Eric Surkamp
29. Jackson Williams – I believe! Kind of!
30. Felix Romero - Goofy numbers, high level. This should probably be Osiris Matos's spot, but I'm a sucker for relivers with triple-digit strikeout totals.
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You keep your creepy hands off my boy! Don’t you ever pet him again!
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by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lancaster v SJ
I was at the game yesterday, and it seemed that everyone of the prospects had somewhat of an off day. However, a couple notes of the little G’s:
Posey, is looking great behind the plate defensively, he had a couple great snap throws and to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Good contact, but the wind was knocking alot of stuff down hit to Left.
Villalona, Actually had a great defensive play at first to come off the bag and tag the runner. He hit a shot to oppo right that was a double, however, his base running needs massive work. Didn’t slide, over ran bag, couldn’t put on the brakes.
Alderson, was constantly behind the hitters, I am unsure if it was because of the heavy winds or if he was just off. His delivery is really interesting, looks almost rushed.
Crawford, Noonan – Good games for both. Crawford is seeing the ball very well.
Kieshnick – Player of the game, legs out a triple, hits a bomb, I think he will be higher than 12 soon.
Gillaspie – I haven’t been impressed at all with Connor.
by thevaultsky on Apr 28, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah? Well Connor isn’t very impressed with you.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 28, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s the difference? You’re the all time most unimpressive!
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by WalrusMan on Apr 28, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah? Well? I had sex with your wife!
by chilibean_3 on Apr 28, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/leans in close
His wife is in a coma.
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by ResDog on Apr 28, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I engaged in intercourse with your spouse or significant other. Now THAT’S psychiatry!
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by jcb9 on Apr 28, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phew..glad you got that. Thought it might have been changed around too much. Didn’t want to offend you more than I already do.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel alone in that I am not a fan of Connor at all, even when they drafted him. What was so exciting about a poor fielding third basemen with absolutely no power?
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by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember correctly, he was coming off of a big year in the Cape Cod league.
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 28, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he hit well but how many bad fielding no power guys have there been in the bigs?
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by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a 3b
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by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he can hit for average and get on base at a good clip, i don’t care if he can’t hit for too much power.
the fielding is a problem though.
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by jponry on Apr 28, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah if he could field this would be alright. Prepare for the least mathematical theory you have ever heard and I just pulled out of my ass. It seems you need two of get on base, hit for power, or field to be a viable starter on any team
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by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s simplifying it a bit, but it makes sense.
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by jponry on Apr 28, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I did just pull out of nowhere so its a wee bit basic
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by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or pitch.
Hi, I am Johnny Disaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Apr 28, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big year in Cape Cod with a .419/.500/.697 in his last year at Wichita.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 28, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cape Cod Credence
I would think Conor Gillaspie would have gained some credence (if not actually driven someone dizzy) by winning the MVP in the 2007 Cape Cod League over Giant prospects Buster Posey and Brandon Crawford, among others.
I agree Conor hasn’t done a whole bunch, and I can’t say I have been impressed when I saw him live once and on TV twice, but he had a fine season prior to the draft, and he showed in the Cape Cod League that he could indeed hit with a wood bat.
I’m not overly impressed, but I think I would be foolish to give up one him prematurely. And the guy DOES get on base. Conor has been compared to Bill Mueller, and Nick Noonan has been compared to Chase Utley (albeit with less power), so let’s see how things turn out.
by sharksrog on Apr 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Linden
tore up the Cape one year
by wilriv21 on Apr 28, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s probably never going to be much of a home run hitter. He should be able to make up for it a bit with plenty o’ doubles and some triples. But, you know, all he does is get on base. What. Ever.
His defense is pretty much average.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard his defense is average to below average, so they were considering moving him off third
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by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought moving him to 2nd was more because of his hitting type. He looked smooth fielding to me when I saw him.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 28, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I understand, the biggest issue with his defense is his arm, so second base might be a better fir for him.
Bill Mueller was and is a good comparison – high batting average, good plate discipline, not a lot of home run power. Bill Mueller was valuable player for years.
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by jcb9 on Apr 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard decent arm with his range being a the poor factor. But I’ve seen a bunch of conflicting reports on his defense.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 28, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both range and arm have so far been iffy. Definitely could see him at second base.
Awaiting his arrival in SF: Jesse English
by henwo on Apr 28, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news and bad
It seems we have good news and bad regarding Conor’s fielding.
The good news is that no one can seem to agree why his fielding isn’t good. The bad news is that everyone seems to agree it isn’t good.
by sharksrog on Apr 28, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was really good that one year!
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by groug on Apr 28, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree mostly with Grant
except he incorrectly spelled “Aaron King” at the #1 spot.
/kids with Grant again
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Apr 28, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good rankings
I thought Grant’s original rankings were good, and now he has further improved them with added information from the 2009 season. The one thing I couldn’t figure out was Felix Romero at #30. I too like high strikeout rates, but the guy is about to turn 29.
by sharksrog on Apr 28, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d flip Posey and Bumgarner, and I’d put Kieschnick into the top 10 instead of eHire or Barnes, but otherwise I mostly agree. Except for being far from convinced that ol’ Jacks Williams belongs on the list.
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by jcb9 on Apr 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Rafael Rodriguez is in my person top 10 – but really, we’re just guessing about him at this point.
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by jcb9 on Apr 28, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
31 is clearly Brian Bocock.
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by groug on Apr 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he had used his rookie eligibility and was therefore not a prospect anymore. Could be wrong though.
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by cornball on Apr 28, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has about 400 Major League plate appearances, so yes.
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by jcb9 on Apr 28, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t he like 50 years old?
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by Natto on Apr 28, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well we needed SOMEONE to replace Scott McClain…
by sayheybk on Apr 28, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito or Sanchez
Semi-Random poll. I recently got into a debate about who I feel more comfortable with on the mound, Zito or Sanchez? What do you guys think and why?
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by frickinoaf on Apr 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez far and away
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by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
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by cornball on Apr 28, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m more comfortable with Zito on the mound because I already think he’s going to lose, so I’m not nervous at all, whereas Sanchez is inconsistent and I don’t trust him.
I’d rather have Sanchez on the mound, but I’m nervous when he’s there.
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by groug on Apr 28, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely Sanchez. There shouldn’t be any question about that. The only reason Sanchez is our #5 starter and Zito is #4 is because the Giants feel they should get something for their $126 million. Silly, right?
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by quincy0191 on Apr 28, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont look now
but Zito’s been REALLY good his last 2 starts. So I’m not getting the Zito bashing. If/when he starts to suck again, we can bash away, but while he’s doing really well I think it’s only fair that we cut the guy some slack. What is he supposed to do?
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
zito bashing?
this isn’t zito bashing, this is a compliment to zito that there is an actual quasi debate that he might be better than another starter on the team. before his lasts two starts this was even more of a no brainer. i’m very pleased with his last two starts and hope that he can continue to “dominate” hitters.
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by frickinoaf on Apr 28, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
not how I read it. It’s true that Zito is making too much money, but his last 2 starts have shown a level of consistancy that Sanchez hasn’t had yet.
That said, I do fully expect Zito to turn back into ZitLOL in his next start. But maybe he wont!
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
2 good starts isn’t consistency. but if it is…last year for the entire month of june sanchez dominated.
i think we can all agree that we hope for the best with zito!
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by frickinoaf on Apr 28, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
and for ZitLOL, 2 starts IS consistency.
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm equally scared of both
they both have shown stretches of utter dominance (Zito right now, for instance), but have both been crazy bad, too. I like Sanchez more, because I always prefer the guy who blows you away to the guy who gets ground balls. Hard-trowing lefties are my favorite type of player.
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Witter!
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 28, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Really? Hmm…ok I’ll take him.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 28, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Apr 28, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s because saying it always caused the Giants to go into a death spiral for the next week.
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by groug on Apr 28, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
…my bad.
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by Natto on Apr 28, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/gumby shoulders
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by EliminateMe on Apr 28, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish I could see some of these guys' games
because they are awesome.
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
#1 Madison Bumgarner
Before the season began everyone was claiming how great the San Joser team was going to be this season. Prospects, prospects and still more prospects. Thru 19 games the team has an underachieving 12-7 record. Yes the bats are hacking however the pitching has been wanting.
The only Little Giant pitcher excelling is LHP Bumgarner. Putting up very nice numbers. Baggs sez tonight’s start will be the final Hi A start for Bumgarner. The next start for the #1 organizational prospect will be for the AA Connecticut Defenders.
Never like to rush prospects and thought Bumgarner would toe the rubber in the CIty until 2011 at the earliest. Change of plans. I believe Bumgarner has a very good chance of being in the starting rotation by May of 2010. Think Lincecum/Wieters Plan.
by wilriv21 on Apr 28, 2009 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
12-7 is still pretty damn good
I don’t think anyone would complain if the Big Giants were on pace for a 102-60 season.
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by jcb9 on Apr 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I’m not sure I’d be complaining about 12-7…
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bum is wayyy younger than Tim, though
He is blowing away his competition right now, though. If he keeps that up then you may be right on his path’s trajectory
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way younger? Like… 10 months?
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by baetown415 on Apr 28, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
oh wait, is that a sarchasm? Because he’s like 5 years younger
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nop
Alderson = November 3, 1988
Bumgarner = August 1, 1989
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by jcb9 on Apr 28, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, I meant
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a giantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Apr 28, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant licecum, sorry
wil was talking about Madbum taking Lincecum’s minors path
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right.
Cain debuted in the majors at the age of 21, I think, so he’s probably a better comparison in that regards than Lincecum.
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by jcb9 on Apr 28, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in that regard. Singular. D’oh.
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Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Apr 28, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Lincecum/Wieters Plan I am suggesting the team begins the service clock a bit later so instead of 6 seasons of control the organization has approx 6.67 seasons of control
by wilriv21 on Apr 28, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha, confused peoples
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Apr 28, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants are in the pennant race Bumgarner could conceivably work the KRod Plan in 2009..
by wilriv21 on Apr 28, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please no, I would not want him in the majors this year at all
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by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if his presence had the same effect as KRod in 2002 or David Price in 2008?
by wilriv21 on Apr 28, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think if they’re in the playoff hunt, it would make sense. But it would depend on how the rotation is doing anyways. Or you mean using him from the bullpen? Maybe a LOOGY?
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by bondslegend on Apr 28, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After a season full of starts and IP would prefer limiting Bumgarner’s workload to a similar path of what David Price did for Tampa last season. Price was a starter for the Tampa affiliates then when promoted used mainly in relief.
by wilriv21 on Apr 28, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Price was an advanced college pitcher, not a high schooler who is 19 turning 20. I just feel there should be no rush to bring bumgarner to the show.
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by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tried that twice
with Valdez and Sanchez. I doubt it helped their development.
by irwin on Apr 28, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough call
I think the #1 Giants prospect call is a very tough one.
On Buster’s behalf:
. Virtually a sure thing.
. Appears to have All-Star ability on both sides of the ball.
. Could be a Hall of Famer if he hits for power, which appears more likely than most felt when he was drafted.
. Like the starting catcher for YOUR San Francisco Giants in 2010.
And for Mad Bum:
. No one can hit him.
. He doesn’t walk anyone.
. He’s still only 19, and has yet to find a level he can’t dominate.
. Potential nearly unlimited.
. Only real concern is that he is pitching with HIS mechanics, not those suggested by the Giants, quite possibly make him an above-average injury risk.
by sharksrog on Apr 28, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still a bit concerned about MadBum’s offspeed stuff as well, though not really a lot. But it is a thing.
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by jponry on Apr 28, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love Gerald Posey
he was #2 on the wilriv draft board (behind Hosmer). While I do agree he has a load of athleticism still believe his defense is based on potential and not real action. Runners run wild on him. There is a question of who is calling his games and the SJ pitching staff needs better production.
Offensively he has been a delight. Previously stated believe he will hit for more power than people believe. Posey has oppo field power and uses the entire field. PLEASE do not rush him, Giants. Even when hit bat is ready do not rush because he needs the experience of game calling.
by wilriv21 on Apr 28, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A thought
I could be wrong here, but couldn’t a prospect such as Buster Posey work on his came-calling from tape? All the Giants would need to do would be to give him tapes of Giants game and describe the tendencies of each pitcher (some of whom he has already caught in spring training games) and opposing hitter. After every pitch the Giants’ pitchers make, ask him what he would call next.
Admittedly this isn’t the same as calilng pitches in actual games, but it does have the advantage of involving actual pitchers he is more likely to catch in the future. And while it wouldn’t replace actual game-calling, I would think it could supplement game-calling in actual games and level out Posey’s learning curve.
Really, when one thinks about it, just how hard IS it to learn to call games? I have no idea how smart Buster it, but he WAS at least smart enough to go to college.
by sharksrog on Apr 28, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Skeels and Buster both comment on this in the piece I did this week for SF Dugout. It should go up on Thursday.
hint
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 28, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it Brute
I think it might have been Brute — or perhaps obsessivegiantscompulsive — who made a very logical case for Angel Villalona over Tim Alderson. Whoever it was is due a compliment.
Thank goodness I at least gave the situation another thought based on the logic, since I now believe AnVil is indeed the better prospect. Timmy Two seems the more sure thing, but his ceiling isn’t nearly as high.
And there’s nothing like a cathedral ceiling to open up a room.
by sharksrog on Apr 28, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
(Hey, there’s the 34 badge.)
Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)
by tk on Apr 28, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I noticed this today for the 1st time when the ~ ninja ~ slogan was brought to our attention.
How new is the 34?
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by bgunn on Apr 28, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appeared shortly after the ninja.
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by EliminateMe on Apr 28, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeay to Grant for that
I guess my thank you fanshot was redundant.
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by hairball on Apr 28, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have something to say on this subject: BEAT LA. Oh, Buster and MadBum are good at baseball.
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by cornball on Apr 28, 2009 5:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OT:
First At Bat for Matt Cain (3rd starter) in my new Baseball Mogul season he hits a home run.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen should be with the big team.
by WalrusMan on Apr 28, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is the new baseball mogul out?
The absentee father of Edwin "Cue Ball" Quirarte, now that he is doin well in the minors, its time to get back in his life, and in his checking account!
by TexasRanger on Apr 28, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen should be with the big team.
by WalrusMan on Apr 28, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about grades instead of rankings
Sickels-style, of course. Though I do not agree with all of Sickels own grades
A:
- Posey. I mean, c’mon.
A-:
- Bumgarner. And this should probably be a B+ given pitcher risk. But he is that good.
B+:
- Villalona. Small sample size and fat ass be damned.
B:
- Alderson. I like him, but not as much as most.
B-:
- Gillaspie, Noonan, Sosa. I think Gillaspie will field, but never hit for power, and Noonan will never walk, but will hit, and Sosa will overcome his herky-jerkiness and be a real pitcher.
C+ and below:
- everyone else. No point in worrying about who’s who until a few break out.
by wcw on Apr 28, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Heyward: A+++++++++++
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Apr 28, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Apr 28, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grades
These seem like pretty accurate grades. Among your “B-’s,” Sosa’s health might be questioned, as might Noonan’s high strikeout rate. And I would think Brandon Crawford is inching toward the B- level.
Although Rafael Rodriguez is an unknown quantity, his potential is seemingly enough that I would have to give him a B or B-. Heck, though, one could make an argument for anything between A- and C- for Rafael. Maybe the midpoint off B- would be a good compromise.
by sharksrog on Apr 28, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too little data for me
As with Adrianza, we just don’t know. I’m hoping to slot him in as a B+ next year, but that’s still just hope.
by wcw on Apr 28, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts:
- Crawford has been the real surprise for me. He has serious contact problems, of course, but a good defensive shortstop doesn’t have to hit that much to be valuable. It looks like he’s got good pop and enough walks to get away with some strikeouts. Posey’s been impressive in just about every way offensively.
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- Alderson’s K rate is a teeny, tiny concern, but not a big one. Craig Clark No. 19 wtf?
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— Noonan is drawing walks, which addresses one of his main weaknesses from last year.
by Dan from NM on Apr 28, 2009 5:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
SBNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen should be with the big team.
by WalrusMan on Apr 28, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sense a lack of conviction in your opinions, Dan.
by Evan on Apr 28, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix Romero and Craig Clark no. Sosa needs to prove to me he’s healthy and durable, but I’m really hoping he can get it together. I’m still not drinking the eHire Kool-Aid.
Otherwise the list looks good. I like Downs and McBryde. I recently came around on both of them. Barnes can easily be unrated while pitching next to the phenom arms on the org. I think he’s great and I’m really looking forward to what he can do over a full season. And I’m glad someone else likes Thomas Neal.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 28, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sosa at #7!
Not sure if he deserves it, but it feels good to be in the exclusive group of, uh, people whose pretend adopted giant made grant’s top 10 giants prospect list. Yay?
One thing I notice is that I am much lower on Adrianza than most people.
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Apr 28, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You and me, dude. I don’t see the big fuss about Adrianza.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 28, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither do I. He seems like a prototypical Giants Prospect from the last couple decades.
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by groug on Apr 28, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto
crawford on the other hand, i’m starting to get pretty excited about
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 29, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y’all high. A 19-year-old who already grades as a plus defender, who also projects to have some semblance of on-base skillz? That’s top-ten stuff in all but the deepest of systems.
by Grant on May 2, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sanchez will continue his good outings
tonight being no exception
by KINGofCRA5H on Apr 28, 2009 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
now, what we do against billingsly...
thats another story.
by KINGofCRA5H on Apr 28, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mad Bum
In what is rumored to be his last start for the Little Giants, Mad Bum has a called strikeout and a pop to second in his first two batters.
One thing about Madison, he just keeps pumping in strikes.
by sharksrog on Apr 28, 2009 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems really remarkable to me that he has been so successful while basically throwing fastballs down the middle over and over again. That must be one hell of a fastball.
by Evan on Apr 28, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielding FAIL
Conor’s 2 errors cost Mad Bum 3 runs in the second, 1 Earned which would not have scored if the DP was turned.
by thevaultsky on Apr 28, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the three errors tonight just dropped him out of the top ten.
by Grant on Apr 28, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another error by Cocky McCockerson today...
…this one with 2 out in the bottom of the 9th, prolonging the inning for the next batter who singled in the winning run.
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by EliminateMe on Apr 29, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dizzy Gillaspie
the clock has already started on this fella so he must show something
by wilriv21 on Apr 28, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If they qualified:
Romo — 11ish
Bowker — 13ish
Ishikawa — 17ishi
Hinshaw — 18ish
Burriss — 10ish
by Grant on Apr 28, 2009 9:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
for some reason i heard the pole position voice when i read the first sentence
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1. greatest name for occupation ever (except maybe lesbian prostitute sharon bottoms)
2. i am hoping for free dental care from my son (if he ever hears of this)
3. the giants need him more than anyone because their smiles are all they've got right now
by Headhunter Rollins on Apr 29, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you suggesting the Giants would be more successful if they started their single-A team?
Penny for your thoughts there. I have some thoughts on Posey:
Dude is sick, period. Was the best player at the last CWS. However, he is a catcher and they need time to adjust for the following reason.
Pitchers are all insane.
I played catcher for several years at Little League level and I can tell you from experience, being a catcher is one part calling the pitches and catching the ball, one part getting your idiot infielders to do what they’re supposed to do and one part mothering the pitchers. As a catcher you have to coddle them or kick them in the ass, depending on how they’re pitching and their disposition. You have to play psychologist and figure out what’s wrong with them every day. Pitchers are either hardass Marine types, way too wound up in their own heads or hippie surfer dudes who just want to chill out and hang loose. Trying to find the best motivation every day for different people who are all their own special unique brand of headcase makes the Major League catcher the most difficult position in all of sports.
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by RDreamer on Apr 29, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Major oversight
Where is Sundrendy Windster on your so-called list?
Fact: Sundrendy Windster is the only Giant farmhand to appear in this year’s “Moniker Madness”. That alone has to qualify him for top 30.
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by EliminateMe on Apr 29, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Although not really a prospect or good defensive 1st basemen...
Bowker has impressed me thus far (just by looking at his stats).
He’s walking like crazy.
Anyone know anything about this?
Like.. Has he always been this selective in the minors?
His biggest problem in the majors was being selective.
Who knows.. Maybe this is Bowker really making some big adjustments…
by AmorVincitOmnia on Apr 30, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
His 350 PAs last year knocked him out of "prospect" status...
…but Bowker is still only 25 and has a shot at becoming a major league outfielder (more so than a major league first baseman). If he can keep up that OBP and show the power he showed in Connecticut (and some of last year in the majors), he’d really have something going.
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by EliminateMe on May 1, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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