Post-Game Non-Sweep Thread: Giants lose in extra innings
by Grant Brisbee on Apr 26, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
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I might have kind of sort of maybe jinxed this one by having a "SWEEP SASSY MOLASSEY!"-thread ready to go before Wilson came in. Lesson learned.
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There are some things you just don’t joke about. The Holocaust, rape, and a Bruce Bochy contract extension, for example.
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
Like I said in the previous thread, I missed much of the game, so I have to ask – how was Sandoval’s homer? Was it a legit shot?
I very much want for Sandoval to start hitting the crap out of the ball. He’s looked better for the last week and a half or so.
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
My Bruce Bochy impression
DOUBLE SWITCH!!!
DOUBLE SWITCH!!!
DOUBLE SWITCH!!!
Osiris, lord of the dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
Require ments for the double switch
1) Player in game must be a useful
2) Player coming into game must be crap
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 27, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
3) If you’re doing it in an interleague game with the DH in effect, so much the better!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a giantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Did Scott Reiss just call Duane “Glen”? or was I just not paying attention?
I still believe in Bowkermania.
by rightcenterfielder on Apr 26, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions
Comment starter: If Bruce Bochy was playing chess against an opponent of middling ability, how many moves would it take before his opponent had him at checkmate?
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
I don't know
Bochy would perform a castle at least three times, though.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
He’d try to double switch in a pawn for his queen and get disqualified.
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
Bochy: “King me”
I still believe in Bowkermania.
by rightcenterfielder on Apr 26, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
Hey, that’s my buddy’s business… inspired by, but decidedly NOT “Rent-a-Wreck.”
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
by achiappanza on Apr 27, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
This was shaping up to be such a good game. Remember how you felt after the Pablo Homer, that was awesome. The momentum is just destroyed with the bums coming in.
Proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is Howry do it!
Caption cliffhanger
The cour?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
As shitty as the game was, “Brian Wilson presents frown” still makes me laugh
Proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is Howry do it!
Guys and gals, we’re all missing the true heartbreak of today’s game: Afro Sweep Bird is bad luck, and it can’t be used again. I’m devastated. Seriously.
You can use it a series where the Giants are at risk of being swept.
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
There was a hell of a chance you wouldn’t have had the opportunity to use it again anyway.
This bread's got nuts in it!
by NuschlerFace on Apr 26, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll check it out in about 6 hours. Should be around the 7th inning by then.
I still believe in Bowkermania.
by rightcenterfielder on Apr 26, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Just great..
Our ’pen is spent and we have to play the Dodgers tomorrow with Zito starting.
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
Hey, remember when we thought the Giants might briefly get over .500 with more than three games played? That was awesome.
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
Then the PCL.
Forsan et heac olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Apr 26, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
So, what reliever is coming up from Fresno?
What position player is going down?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Quit jerking Valdea around, he’s a starter!
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
that would be pretty stupid.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
What team are we talking about?
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
I still don’t have a good feel for exactly how stupid the FO is.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Matos has been pitching well – which means he probably won’t get the call.
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
May I ask why Bochy pinch-hit for Cain rather than send him back out to pitch the 8th inning? Yeah, yeah I know Lewis led off with a double but I then ask you who was the STUPIDER manager in this game – Bochy or Melvin ? Melvin left his struggling hurler in the game to pitch to a fella who had owned him this game – Brooks was 3-3.
I had no problem with that. Tie game and Cain hadn’t exactly been efficient.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
That was the right decision
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
They needed the baserunner more than they needed an extra inning from Cain. Remember, even if Cain goes 8, Wilson still pitches the ninth.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
And maybe we wouldn’t have had a lead at all if Cain hits for himself there. Like… seriously, I don’t see how that would have helped. The fact of the matter is that Wilson fucking blew it. That’s all there is to it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
there might not have been a lead for Wilson to blow, I guess. We could have been spared the indignity of the 9th inning collapse.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
THIS
Seriously, how anybody can even bring up Bochy’s admittedly boneheaded moves (of which pinch hitting for Cain was not one) is ridiculous. Wilson blew a save. That is all.
by thethrillisgone on Apr 26, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll bring up one
Double switching for your hottest fucking hitter.
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--Daisy Owl
also, Sandoval didn’t "own’ Garland before the HR. The first two hits were cheapies.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
2 might have been
but the other 2 definitely were not.
It’s still dumb.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
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--Daisy Owl
Not necessarily
Why keep throwing a pitcher out there when you have other options you can use to pitch the 9th? Affeldt, Howry can pitch the 9th if needed. Time to stretch out the pitchers.
Bochy did have other options for the 9th. He didn’t use them.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
So your problem is REALLY that Howry wasn’t available because Bochy used him for one batter.
Awesome. Couldn’t agree more.
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and besides, man, the answer is not always “Make the pussy starters throw more innings.”
Sometimes that is the answer, but you’re like a Doctor who proscribes the same medicine to every ailment.
RUB SOME TUSSIN ON IT!
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Cain didn’t exactly look too sharp before he hit 100 pitches.
Judgment Day is coming
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the answer is the same, no matter what the question is.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
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by Mayor of 311 on Apr 26, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Research has been done by the guys who wrote “The Book” (MGL and TomTango) that show that it’s almost always a bad idea to let a pitcher hit for himself in late innings of a tie game rather than go to a pinch hitter. Pitchers lose effectiveness at a certain point and are much much much more likely to make an out at the plate than a pinch hitter is (and at that point of the game, outs are scarce.)
I’m not sure how you think keeping Cain in would have helped. The problem was that Wilson came in with a three run lead and blew it. How would having Cain pitch the 8th inning have helped that?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
If Cain pitches the 8th then Affeldt and Howry are still available to pitch the 9th. Thursday is yet another off day so he can rest if you are concerned about PC. To me the bullpen is to be used when starters can go no longer.
I missed the first 7 innings today but this sounds like 20/20 hindsight. If Wilson doesn’t blow this game, we’re not even talking about whether Cain should have thrown another inning.
That said, if you’re inclined to criticize Bochy’s late-game managerial moves in general, I’m happy to join you.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
why not use the bullpen when they give a better chance to win the game?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Situation by situation
A manager needs to determine what gives his team a better chance. Prior to game I thought BWillie would be smoking a blunt in the bullpen because I was not about to use him after using him a lot lately. Plus there is that upcoming series vs the Bums.
Cain is doing fine and arm is fresh, If Cainer begs off then go to pen if not then he is still pitching. Thursday is another off day. So I know no BWillie so chances are Affedlt is my closer du jour. Howry is setup guy.
Situation dictates Cain pitches the 8th and then revisit after 8th.
No, they need a run to win the game. Situation dictates that Cain get pulled for pinch hitter and that the bullpen be called on to do their job. That gives you a better chance to win the game.
As for the ninth, you may be right about that perhaps it was the right night for an alternate closer, but all we needed to do that is just use one pitcher in the eighth.
And I know you aren’t evaluating it on a situation by situation basis because after every game you say that the starter should have gone longer.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
I must have missed that one.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
well, you’re right about that.
/stares thirty in the eyes
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Wait a second
What are you talking about, with Brian Wilson being used too much lately? They were off Monday and Thursday, and Wilson didn’t pitch on Tuesday and Friday. This was only his third appearance of the week. Both Howy and Affeldt pitched in every game of this series, but not Wilson. Don’t blame Bochy because Wilson stunk.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
Brian Wilson lost this game for us, pure and simple. Not the wasted opportunities, not Bochy’s stupid moves, not Medders and not Miller. Brian Wilson.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
I agree with this.
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Wronghanded Affeldt doing it right
by Giant among Angels on Apr 26, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Factual.
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by Mayor of 311 on Apr 26, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Um...
Wilson’s erraticity aside , the ball Upton lined was well placed – he was just lucky enough to get the bat there. That tied the game , what followed afterward was what lost it.
Medders doesn’t lose Montero and Ojeda and we might be feeling better…but probably not. Your setup men and your – cough – closer are your best relievers…if they can’t git ’ er done she’s probably not gonna git done.
Once Brian FAILed there was a palpable sense of SCRIPTedness in the air there.
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Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Apr 26, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
If Affeldt alone pitches the 8th then Howry is available for the 9th. Of course, he never would have come in because Bochy wouldn’t ever pull Wilson, but he’d be available and you’d still be criticizing the Giants for their one run-scoring move for some ridiculous reason.
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main concerns are under use of starters and over use of relievers. Most relievers are wanna be starters. Some are excellent relievers.
blasted Yankee homer dome
move out the fences…………
as soon as they get back home
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"the plan was to put our regulars out there as often as possible to get off to a fast start."- Bruce Botchy
by natteringnabob on Apr 26, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't wait...
for BDub’s twitter
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
I think most Twittering is super-douchey, but Wilson’s and Zito’s is on a whole other level. I wish they would just go back to writing in their Moleskine diaries.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
LOL- Moleskine diaries. Well turned.
I can’t picture Wilson getting one or writing one, but Zito could have given him one. “Dude, Hemingway used to use these.”
BW: “Thanks, Bro. Mad love, Bro. Hey, Bro… Who’s Hemingway?”
Zito: “Beats me, but then again, so does everybody.”
Forsan et heac olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Apr 26, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
:(
The Mayor gifted me with one. I use it for my sportswriting interviews, to make notes and to read off my questions to my subjects.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 26, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I own a bunch of Moleskine diaries and sketchbooks myself. I’m a huge fan. I just want Wilson and Zito to stop blursting out their thoughts in a public venue.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
Blursting is a very appropriate verb
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 27, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's how nobody wants to go to Yankee Stadium right now. (economy too)
Tuesday night vs. the Red Sox. Front row seats available for a cool $2625.
Still not worth it
Then it’d be hard to play Monopoly.
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I just got back from Yankee Stadium (22-4 loss last Sat)
and tons of the $350+ seats were empty
weird & kinda sad
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Apr 26, 2009 5:17 PM PDT reply actions
reply fail!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Apr 26, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Kruk emphasized in the postgame wrap that the bullpen is now chewed up (well, aside from Merkin Valdez, who currently adors milk cartons across the nation), so Zito needs to go deep tomorrow against the Evils. We are fucked.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
He may need to take one for the team and throw like 200 pitches
Proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is Howry do it!
What about the third inning?
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
haha
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Apr 26, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
go deep
like 6 feet under?
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"the plan was to put our regulars out there as often as possible to get off to a fast start."- Bruce Botchy
by natteringnabob on Apr 26, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
go deep
Like quote Schopenauer?
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by Mayor of 311 on Apr 26, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Omar is supposed to start Monday for the Rangers
He will be only the 3rd player to start after his 42nd birthday (Honus Wagner and Luke Appling are the others).
I don't get it. Lots have started after 42. What am I missing?
You mean only at SS?
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by Mayor of 311 on Apr 26, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
can't argue with that
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Apr 26, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
BARASSS
OF THE GINATS MORE BATS MEAN MORE RUNS
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"the plan was to put our regulars out there as often as possible to get off to a fast start."- Bruce Botchy
by natteringnabob on Apr 26, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I skipped most of the game to go see Sugar. Turns out it was a good idea.
The film is really good. Very sad. The anti-Rocky, if you will. A few things that stood out to me: they used the old Swing of the Quad Cities for the low-A team. Now the Quad Cities team is something stupid, not nearly as cool as the old Swing name and saxophone/baseball logo. There’s a really beautiful Spanish version of Leonard Cohen’s Hallelujah near the end of the film. I’ve been searching the intertubes for the artist info so I can get it on my iPod, and it’s already sparked outrage from cranky music elitists that their song omg!!!! was used in a baseball movie. And Jose Rijo is in the film. Yes. That Jose Rijo.
It’s the side of the Dominican baseball story we don’t get to see: what happens to the guys who can’t make it work in pro ball. The main character’s isolation and frustrations happen to all the kids who come over here. Recently at a San Jose Giants game I watched the field during a pitching change. The OF all came together, Neal, Ford, and Kieschnick. The infielders Gillaspie, Crawford, and Noonan came together. And there was Angel by himself at the first base bag. I felt sad for him. I know he has another Dominican dudes on the team in Frias and Wilmin Rodriguez, but I didn’t realize until then that the top prospects in this system are mostly lily white.
But yes. See it if you can. It’s playing in Pleasant Hill at the Cinearts, the dome theatre, if you’re in the East Bay.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 26, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions
Oh and they talked about a kid they signed out of Stanford for a million dollars named Brad Johnson in the film, and I thought they were talking about a white guy. Surprise! It was a black guy. There was a funny moment when he asked the main character, a Dominican, if he liked TV on the Radio, the band. The guy was all “….” heh.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 26, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks for the reviewq
I’ve seen good reviews elsewhere, so thanks for confirming. Looking forward to catching this after some tasty treats from Shalimar (since this moved to the Lumiere this week)
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by natteringnabob on Apr 26, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
typing fail
reviewq= like a review, but more insightful
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"the plan was to put our regulars out there as often as possible to get off to a fast start."- Bruce Botchy
by natteringnabob on Apr 26, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah the trailer looked good. I hope it’s not dropping out of the Landmark circuit this week… not sure if I’m going to be able to grab it before Friday.. Gonna try and hit the Lumiere this week, if I can. Wish I hadn’t slept on it this weekend :/
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Apr 26, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry guys
I just tried to assassinate Bochy and Brian Wilson. And Velez, just on principle.
Unfortunately, I was caught. I used my phone call to get on the internet and type this message up. I will try again once I break out.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
I'll pick your jury for you. Gratis, because you threw in Ay-yoo-hay-nee-oh.
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by Mayor of 311 on Apr 26, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Incidentally
Even after Pablito’s bomb and the double-digits-in-hits games this weekend, the Giants are still last (or bottom three or four) in the majors in nearly every offensive category: runs, hits, HRs, total bases, RBIs, AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
Which apparently includes not pinch hitting so the team would have scored less runs.
A SUREFIRE PATH TO SUCCESS
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Well, fuckola
I obviously caught something and have generally felt like crap all day. Then this ballgame debacle takes place.
I just wanna drink a gallon of NyQuil and lapse into a coma.
Anagram of "knowing how to win" = WOW, I KNOW NOTHING
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Apr 26, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions
BOCHY IS A FUCKING IDIOT
From Hank Schulman:
The Giants conclude their homestand today and return to San Francisco for three games against the Dodgers. They’ll face two left-handed starters (Randy Wolf, Eric Stults), and Bochy hinted Rich Aurilia would start at first base those games, meaning Travis Ishikawa’s only start would be Tuesday against Chad Billingsley.
Whatever
I have a really hard time getting worked up about Ishikawa sitting right now. Not enthusiastic about it, mind you, but not upset by any stretch.
+1
Ishikawa’s OPS right now is .513. That’s quasi-Bocockian.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
Jesus time?
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Apr 26, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
goddamn it
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 26, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
How is he going to learn to hit lefties if he never gets to practice? That’d be like me trying to get my kinder kids to learn their ABC’s, but never letting them actually look at the alphabet.
If I have to search for positives here at all, I got fantasy points out of Upton at least.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 26, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
/throatpunch
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--Daisy Owl
I thought you were cool, man.
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I have a fantasy league to win that is made up of A) other stats/minor league nerds and 2) all males but me. I need to prove myself to these people. Kill or be killed.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 26, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but you know the official McC position on “At least the guy who killed the Giants is on my fantasy team.”
I mean, Mike Cameron is on my fantasy team, but I wasn’t going around bragging about it during that first series of the year when he was on base all the time. And that league is made up of McC people, and I want to crush all you worthless peons.
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Cameron qualifies as a decent guy, so he is alright to have. If you have Hairston though, then you can can git out.
Proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is Howry do it!
I don’t know of this policy. And if making a lemon drop out of lemons like I did above is bragging, then lock me up for being a loathsome braggart.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 27, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Pablito looked like a real hitter tonight.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
High-ball swing thru’s are still discouraging to watch.
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Wronghanded Affeldt doing it right
by Giant among Angels on Apr 26, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
...It Pours
Bullpen fail in SJ too.
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Wronghanded Affeldt doing it right
by Giant among Angels on Apr 26, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions
20-15 win for Connecticut
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 26, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Portland had a 10 run inning in the game. Connecticut only had an eight run inning. Dan Otero escaped unscathed. Mike Mooney hit another salami. I think he has two already.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 26, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
after my anger at Wilson subsided
i was left with the image of Burriss getting picked off first, followed by Winn’s double into the gap.
That would’ve made the game a non-save situation.
oh well. win the first game in LA (easier said than done with Zito kicking things off) and nobody’s staring at the premise of another streak of soul-crushing sucky baseball.
It could have been a non-save situation even earlier had it not been for bad luck and bad baserunning. Just a strange game overall.
It never occurred to me that one man could play with the faith of 50 million.
by imovermyhead on Apr 26, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Im so angry that im not really angry anymore
Proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is Howry do it!
I'm not that heartbroken...
Wilson blows some saves every season… It’s unlikely that this will spiral him out of being a legitimate closer…
It’s unlikely that this game will ruin the Giants shot at the playoffs…
And despite the bad ending, the Giants played good baseball.
I actually feel optimistic about the Giants after this game, especially with Sandoval’s performance.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Apr 26, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions
+1
I read through the whole post with the intent of posting this same thing. We won 2 of 3 and almost swept. Our starter, again, gave up almost nothing. Wilson will blow saves, he’ll also finish them out more often than not. We’re playing well and this is Zito’s chance to really start making believers.
by positiveuphemism on Apr 26, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
When I saw it was 1-1,
I was like “AWESOME JOB CAIN!”
When I saw Pablito hit the Homero, I was like “GOD DAMN I WISH I WAS WATCHING THIS GAME!” also “BIEN HECHO, MIJO!”
When I saw Wilson blow the save, I was glad I coudn’t watch. That sucked. The baseball gods decided it wasn’t yet our time to be above .500, a time that may have only been able to come once this season.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
It was borderline excruciating. They dragged it out over 3 innings, and I knew the Giants had no chance after the Upton homer.
Proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is Howry do it!
wtf...
“Dodgers, by 10 games,” said one scout who has already seen every team in the division. “I’ll be surprised if it goes any other way.”
This was in an article on the Giants official Website.
"Chemistry is a class you take in high school or college, where you figure out two plus two is 10, or something."
- Dennis Rodman
Double Switch - Defensive Sub
Let me get this straight. So Fred hits for the pitcher. In the inning the team bats around to the 7th spot. Then you double switch for the guy in the 3rd spot?!? The guy that is 4-4 with a grand slam. I guy that can’t be pitched around – when he’s hot, he is hot. But you take that guy out and put in Uribe to bat 2nd in the next inning and put the pitcher’s spot up 5th in the inning (the giants got pretty close to bringing 5 batter to the plate in the ninth.)
Alternatives
- Leave in Fred. Take out Nate who just struck out in the 6th spot. Plus, you hate Nate and it would serve him right.
- Take out Ishikawa, put someone on 1st.
- Don’t fucking double switch since you won’t let a reliever pitch in the ninth except Wilson anyways. So just PH in the eighth for Affeldt/Howry.
While I’ve been ranting, I realized that Uribe is the defensive sub and Boch never figured on extra innings or more than a handful of Giants batters in the Ninth. But why bet that more than 4 players wouldn’t bat the next inning? I know it’s the Giants, but…
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
Good points, all
It’s fine that the blame for blowing this game rests squarely on the shoulders of Brian Wilson. Three run lead with three outs to go, he’s the closer, it was his game to lose, and he lost it. Everything else is just what-ifs.
Having said that, isn’t it fair to assume that managers should think about what-ifs involving his closer in late inning scenarios such as the one that occurred today? Shouldn’t part of Bochy’s job responsibility be thinking about what move he’s going to make if his closer CLEARLY has nothing that day? If his closer has nothing and Bochy DOES NOTHING ABOUT IT—no pulling him after a couple hitters to find someone, anyone in the bullpen to get you three outs and protect your lead—then the manager can double-switch till the cows come home and fill twenty ballparks with defensive replacements and it won’t make a fuck’s worth of difference.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
BarryZito
tough battle today. Wilson’s the man, what a fluke… on plane about to fly home to God’s country..
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At least he got the part right about home.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 26, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m still waiting for him to respond to my evite about the knife fight.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 27, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Could have been douchier
Wilson’s the man (Who blows games for the Giants)
Proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is Howry do it!
I was annoyed that Medders went out for a third inning with no sign of Merkin. He’s still on the team, right?
Medders was great for 2 innings, but you could tell he didnt have the same stuff after the first walk
Proud adoptive parent of the set-up man.
This is Howry do it!
“you” does not include Bruce Bochy apparently =(
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Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Since you were talkin football w/ me earlier
CRABTREE!!!!!! Im psyched. Also: lol raiders.
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Thanks to roger
by bondslegend on Apr 26, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
I think it’s pretty meh.
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Wilson, Winn, Burriss
Some folks in here have been calling for Bochy to realize that after a couple of hitters he should have noticed that Wilson was struggling and should have gotten someone up in the pen…..
Watch some video of any of Wilson’s 41 saves last year. The dude is just an adventure at least once every other save opportunity. Last week he came within one pitch of walking the first two batters in the 9th. He really does struggle to locate that fastball at times. But he’s been good (if not great) at wiggling out of stuff. He routinely gets himself into trouble. How many big league managers would have got someone up in the pen after two batters in the 9th against their closer? NONE. Back to Wilson though. He’s got to elevate that fastball. Get it up under the hands. The single by Reynolds and the home run by Upton were both golfed out of there big time. 97mph is very tough to catch up to for even the best hitters in the game if you can get it up and in. 97mph down and in gets you what we saw today.
Horrible AB by Winn to waste Uribe’s leadoff double that last inning. First pitch swinging at a ball away. He had the luxury to see a pitch there and blew it. Yes it almost got up the middle for a hit but he sure didn’t have a good pitch to pull there.
Burriss made Eugenio look like a good baserunner by getting picked off there. That’s the winning run. Winn’s double scores him easily. Just terrible there. And if Bochy put the steal on there, shame on him for doing that on the FIRST PITCH after Uribe’s flyout. That’s like an impatient little league coach who lets one out frustrate him into a bad decision right away. Yes, a three run lead is a good time to run. I just thought first pitch was bad timing. And Burriss should have anticipated a throw over. He just lost focus and that play had as much to do with the loss as any other….
Everyone's running
The whole field bursts to life, man
Best play in baseball
-Buck O'Neill describing a triple (inadvertent haiku!)
From Schulman
Be careful what you tweet, Brian
Let me start this post by saying I am not Brian Wilson’s father. He is 27 years old and can spend his free time however he chooses. His personal life is just that, and I don’t make a habit of reporting on players’ extracurricular activities.
Now, if the players report it themselves . . .
Somebody alerted me to Wilson’s Twitter page. Unless somebody hijacked the page, we have to conclude the Giants’ closer was out very late Saturday night clubbing in Scottsdale. There are a couple of posts suggesting he was getting into it with what he called “overaggressive males.” His last post of the night is stamped “about 22 hours ago,” in other words, 1 a.m. Sunday.
Which would not have worth mentioning except that the Giants played a day game today. In that game, Wilson could not throw fastballs where he wanted and lost a 4-1 lead in the ninth for his first blown save of the season. The Giants ended up losing in the 12th, 5-4.
A word of caution, Brian. Fans notice this stuff.
Posted By: Henry Schulman (Email) | April 26 2009 at 11:10 PM
i saw that
and was like, really, he posted that?
Great. Talent wasted , in more ways than one.
It would be sweet if Wilson acquired the ability to , as it’s said , “climb the ladder” with his fastball as well – start low and work your way up the zone. I won’t hold my breath , however.
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Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Apr 27, 2009 5:33 AM PDT reply actions
Bright side...
Just keep winning series and let’s see where we end up at the end of the year.
I have to be honest; this one stung….a bunch.
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 27, 2009 8:25 AM PDT reply actions
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