As the Barry Zito Turns
by Grant on Apr 23, 2009 10:23 AM PDT
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A common question from baseball fans who don't follow the Giants: "Oh, man. I bet Zito gets the holy heck booed out of him in San Francisco, right?" I've been asked that several times, and the answer is always, "Uh, not really." After two years, $30M+ thrown into the cove, and 65 mostly unwatchable starts for the Giants, a lot of us are still holding out a little hope.
We could boo him until his eyebrows fell off, but that wouldn't change that a) Zito's still going to be here for the next 4,052 seasons, and b) any scenario in which he improves probably doesn't involve continuous boo showers. So we wait patiently, throw him an occasional boo after his especially wretched starts, and cheer for his 112-pitch, 3 ER, 6 IP, 3 BB, 2 K games as if he were a legless man placing 17th in a high jump competition. Good show, dear sir! We're really proud of those six innings and all you had to overcome to get the quality start! How inspiring!
No one is holding out hope for Zito to resume his Cy Young ways. No one. I'd put money on Mike McBryde winning a Cy Young before Zito wins another. And no one is really hoping for Zito to be a top-of-the-rotation pitcher, either. I think a lot of folks would be satisfied with this:
Ignore the ugly 1999, as no one obviously wants a repeat of that, but I'm hoping for Barry Zito to become Mark Gardner. It's not a perfect comp -- Gardner could throw strikes when he wanted to, for one -- but I'm hoping Zito can pitch close to 200 innings of league average ball, alternate hittable with masterful, and stick around for a few years at the back end of the rotation. It's a realistic hope. It also requires heavy drinking to forget about the shiny free agents we could get if we didn't have some pseudo-Gardy making scores of millions.
I listened to the game on the radio yesterday. When I came home from work, I wanted to watch a recording of the television broadcast. I wanted to relive a Barry Zito start. I'm optimistic that he can reach the optimistic predictions that would have seemed pessimistic back when I was reluctantly optimistic in that crazy, post-spending spree kind of way.
Comment starter: Is your definition of Zito optimism as pessimistically optimistic as mine?
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Pretty much
I really doubt we’ll see another start like yesterday’s for the duration of his contract, but as long as he’s not absolutely HORRIFIC like he has mostly been so far, then I’ll be fine. It’s depressing to have to “hope” a guy making 18 mil a year is simply league-average, but I think that’s where we’re at on Zito at this point
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was Jake “the Snake” Roberts there for a second.
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 23, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah. You can tell it’s not him from the lack of a third trimester gut and crack pipe.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I want is ZitLOL not ZitLOLOLOLOLOLOL………………..
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by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 23, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hurting my eyes
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Apr 23, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree wholeheartedly with the “I wanted to relive a Barry Zito start”, weird but true. I generally skip every 5th start, was glad to hear it yesterday. I generally avoid Zito optimism, it hurts too much.
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by igotnothing on Apr 23, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday showed us that he CAN still be an ace
That is a wonderful thing, because it will stay in the back of our minds every time he starts. Every one of our pitchers has had an ace performance already this year, so it’s exciting.
As far as expectations… I know he has excellent “stuff”. He actually does seem to have things going better so far this year, even if his record doesn’t show it. I would like to see a winning season this year. If he can do that, then I’m all in.
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by hairball on Apr 23, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if I’d call them ace performances yet, I’d call an ace performance 8 innings or complete game 0-2 runs.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT?
Ace performances:
Lincecum:
4/18 8.0 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 13 K
Johnson:
4/19 7.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K
Cain:
4/9 7.0 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5 K
Zito:
4/22 7.0 IP, 6 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K
Sanchez:
4/17 6.2 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 4 BB, 4 BB
Are you seriously denying the “ace” nature of any of those starts? In arguably the worst of the bunch, Sanchez allowed only 2 hits!
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by hairball on Apr 23, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the same kind of mentality where people only classify 10-15 pitchers in the league Aces, even if they are the best pitchers on their staff. It depends on what you go by.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed... sort of...
In arguably the worst of the bunch, Sanchez allowed only 2 hits and walked 4 people – twice!
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by tedfordfan on Apr 23, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That picture...
wtf
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if he keeps flailing at fastballs over his head in a Benard-ian way, I’d be willing to pay Pablo Sandoval’s salary personally if he contributes to making Zito starts watchable.
by SheboyganBratwurst on Apr 23, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pablo should be Zito's personal catcher.
Stat of the night
.215: That’s the batting average of hitters against Barry Zito when Pablo Sandoval is behind the plate. Sandoval made his first start at catcher in 2009 for the Giants on Wednesday (but his sixth career start when Zito has been on the mound), and Barry responded, throwing seven shutout frames in a game San Francisco eventually won 1-0, in 10 innings. Perhaps Sandoval should make a habit of catching Zito, who doesn’t do nearly as well (.273 opposing batting average) when Bengie Molina is his backstop.
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by Azmanz on Apr 23, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure how much it really should matter Molina vs Sandoval but if it works, it works.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mirabelli was always Wakefield's catcher
sure, that’s a knuckleballer, but some guys do prefer certain catchers.
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s 2009, you can’t pass judgment.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Apr 24, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Maddux always seemed to prefer Eddie Perez instead of Javy Lopez.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Apr 24, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benjie whined a little last year when it looked like Sandoval was becoming Zito’s personal catcher. But he should just suck it up.
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by achiappanza on Apr 24, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My view:
As long as he gives us a chance to win most of the time he pitches I can’t really complain. If he gives us a good chance like 2/3 of the time I think that would be awesome.
Expecting him to live up to his contract is kind of ridiculous…even Timmy would have a hard time doing that. To justify that salary, a pitcher has to be really freaking amazing every year.
by positiveuphemism on Apr 23, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not really unrealistic to assume Zito could become a serviceable starter again in this league. Since he starting making adjustments midway last year he hasn’t been THAT bad. He was pretty good in the 2nd half of last year, and has been ok this year so far. Yesterday was exceptional, and that bad SD start he had he was kind of unlucky with all of the bloop hits and such.
by Hobbes2d on Apr 23, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He was better in the 2nd half of 2007 and look what happened last year. Over his whole career he’s over half a run better in the second half, so I’m not sure what we can really look into a 1st half 2nd half split for improvement.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow you guys are a bunch of haters
I told you all he was back, now you’ve seen him dominate and you still don’t believe if you guys hate your team so much why don’t you go be a padres fan or something
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re funny.
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really. More annoying than funny.
/ I know, sarchasm pic not needed
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by nvsfg on Apr 23, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, perhaps he’s Diehard A’s Fan!
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, one good start is clearly a more meaningful evaluation tool than the last two years and all his other starts this year.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
STUFF? BACK.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like most cheerleaders in my high school
You skipped a period that would have been really good to have.
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by Mayor of 311 on Apr 23, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
One outstanding start out of thirty by Barry Zito should make me think twice about hating my team.
I guess you’re here since there are no problems going on with the A’s…
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 23, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sucks for Athletic that he has to post comments here cuz no one wants to talk about the A’s
by giant on Apr 23, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor has it Athletics Nation gets a few comments here and there.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a rumor though. No one actually knows
by giant on Apr 23, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re mad!
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AthleticsNation has much more traffic than this wineandchesse blog
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how original!
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite cheese
Mine would be either mozzerella or pecorino. Trader Joe’s does this fantastic smoked gouda, too.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you ever visit the inner sunset there is a place called Holy Gelato that makes goat cheese gelato. It sounds weird, but it is delicious!
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by Norm Median on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pepperjack FTW! I’ve had pepperjack burgers on sourdough toast all week.
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by ResDog on Apr 23, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a pepperjack cheese burger last night too.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other night I made grilled cheese using Pepperjack and Cheddar together. Very tasty.
by scout6 on Apr 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pepperjack is, IMO, vastly underrated among the cheeses. It just brings so much to the table. Pepper AND Jacks. Win.
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by cornball on Apr 23, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pepperjack is indeed win. My mom got some pepperjack chipotle cheese at the grocery. omfg so good.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ a million
yums
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a big fan of smoked gouda. Also queso fresco. Feta is great, too, and blue cheese. And goat cheese.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheese is just amazing the end.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is your end dazzled by the cheese?
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GIS for "cheese turn on"
I’m nto sure.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some cheese
We went to this restaraunt in Sonoma and got the fruit and cheese platter for an appetizer. One of the cheeses smelled like old socks or crap or something unpleasant. Yeah. I tried a bit of it and it tasted like it smelled.
I didn’t like that cheese.
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by thehavenot on Apr 23, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No joke, I had a room-mate in college who ate at least a quarter pound of cheese every day. My favorite cheese is probably blue. Goes great on a peppered bison burger.
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by cornball on Apr 23, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hungry so…I thought I’d heat up a brick of cheese.
….
I need my cheese!
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YES
I love this movie. You are awesome.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 23, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to find it again. It was a favourite of my group in high school.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find A’s fans to be an insufferable lot of myopic toads who can’t pull a coherent argument out of their nether regions, much like yourself. I especially dislike Athletics Nation. However, I have the good sense to leave all that alone and let the A’s fans discuss their team in peace. It does no good to start trolling a board that doesn’t pertain to you or your interests. If I were still an A’s fan, I’d write Zito off and just be done with it. You have far better pitching to focus on now, so go do that and shut the fuck up.
And yes, Trader Joe’s is fantastic. I got some killer ahi steaks from there that we shall have for dinner.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
destruction
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
P : W : N : E : D
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 23, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
Boom goes the Baron :-)
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She should ask jcb9 if there’s room in the anger management class he’s taking.
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by EliminateMe on Apr 23, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite cheese?
Yes.
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by jponry on Apr 23, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
swiss
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
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by thehavenot on Apr 23, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gruyere
KING OF ALL CHEESES
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by The Gene Hackman on Apr 23, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
monterey jack. freaking awesome stuff. can’t go wrong with a nice, sharp cheddar, either.
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by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing better than an excellently aged cheddar. And I am missing real cheese curds, never thought I would.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm lactarded
No cheese for me!
It’s ok. I get by…
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Apr 23, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever stopped and wondered how cheese was discovered?
“Hey, guys, you know what I’m going to do? I’m going to squeeze a cow’s nipples, take whatever comes out, and let it sit out until it solidifies and maybe has some flecks of mold growing on it. Then, I’m going to spread it on a cracker!”
“Sounds good!”
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/Calvin & Hobbes milk quote
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by groug on Apr 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
o.O I’m not remembering it.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s basically the same exact thing.
Calvin says "The more you think about things, the weirder they seem. Take milk for example. Why do we drink COW milk? Who was the guy who first looked at a cow and said. "I think I’ll drink whatever comes out of these things when I squeeze ’em!"
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by groug on Apr 23, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I NEED A DATE TO LOOK THIS UP IN MY COLLECTION
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, but that reminds me I never finished them up. I think I have the 3rd book to read.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember this
was very funny
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have. That and drinking milk from other animals in the first place.
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foie gras is the one I always wonder about.
by Evan on Apr 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheese pie?
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOT AS GOOD AS CHEESECAKE
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by UnleashTheGore on Apr 23, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
tell that to lars, though
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CHEESEBURGER CHEESEBURGER CHEESEBURGER CHEESEBURGER
by satyricrash on Apr 23, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anybody for Havardi?
Havardi cheese has been my fave of late
by GeeEssDub on Apr 23, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turkey and Havarti – great sandwich. Had one yesterday.
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by achiappanza on Apr 24, 2009 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
another vote for Havarti.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 24, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It even works well on a grilled cheese sammy (with tomato soup on the side of course)
by GeeEssDub on Apr 24, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wine and chess?
Hm, playing chess when hammered does sound fun.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean 'chesse'
It looks so much more elitist with the gratuitous ‘e’.
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Guys, we really should start discussing wine more.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Thunderbird with a nice warm slice of Kraft American.
by xanthan on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Black Box is the only way to go. Especially if you are tail gating. Wine in a Box FTW!
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by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boxes!
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't 2 buck chuck
actually cheaper per unit volume of ethanol these days? And you can get it at TJs.
And it’s drinkable. In fact, it better than most $8 red wines.
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by zenbitz on Apr 23, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 Buck Chuck FTW
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's $2.50 now =(
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 24, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ELITIST
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by groug on Apr 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And more traffic than the Oakland Coliseum.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wine and cheese and SUSHI. Muchas gracias.
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chesse, not cheese
one of the most important aspects of being an internet douchebag is that you can’t spell correctly.
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not a very nice thing to say now
sounds like your being a hypocrite I’m just sayin
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about his being?
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is hilarious
either intentionally or unintentionally. If intentionally, well played
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure it was unintentional.
There spelling isn’t very good over their.
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by Goofus on Apr 23, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He don’t need no stinkin’ grammar!!!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Apr 23, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im gonna make some grilled cheese. i’d rather have beer than wine
by giant on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fancy grilled cheese and a glass of wine!
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he had said cheese and beer then he would be correct.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew this was coming
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Apr 23, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m afraid you just aren’t very smart.
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 23, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, I appreciate your optimism
And do think that Zito’s got better stuff and maybe even control this year, but it’s been 3 starts. I think everybody is turning on you as a way of saying, “Get back to us in 2 months”.
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by hairball on Apr 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call on zito
You’re one of a few observers who noted zito was throwing better. And it takes some balls to state it amongst all the pitch-fork carriers when the results had yet to reflect any improvement.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting choice for a first time comment.
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito in 2 months
i want to know what it looks like
by giant on Apr 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks I Understand the anger over Zito
If I was a Giants fan I for the last 2 seasons watching Zito crease 82 mph heaters down the heart of the plate I would have been pissed too. That is not the case this year his curve has its bite back and he has gotten quite a bit of velocity back
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
here’s hoping you’re right. Even though you’re still a douchebag
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now are you saing an actualy douchebag, or a metaphorical one?
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gentlemen, we have MCC's next fake user
“an actualy douchebag”
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How would an actual douchebag have the ability to twrite?
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would probably have to hunt-and-peck.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what I am getting here and correct me if I am wrong
is that if I am going to post here you guys would prefer I attack the Giants instead of giving them props, no prob
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See earlier "douchebag" comment
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you are getting here
is your ass handed to you. If you want to stick around for that, by all means do so. We need the entertainment.
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 23, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's almost sad really
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would hurt my feelings a lot if it didn’t come from a fan of the team who are last in the AL in runs scored.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH SNAP
IF YOU WERE A LEGUME YOU WOULD BE A SUGAR SNAP PEA
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by EliminateMe on Apr 23, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF I WERE A ZIPPER YOU’D RIP ME OUT AND REPLACE ME WITH A SNAP.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF YOU WERE A COOKIE, YOU’D BE A GINGER SNAP.
by scout6 on Apr 23, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF YOU WERE ADMIRAL ACKBAR YOU’D SAY “IT’S A SNAP”
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by groug on Apr 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF YOU WERE PANS BACKWARDS, YOU’D BE SNAP
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF YOU WERE A BREAKFAST SELLING ELF, YOU’D BE SNAP
by scout6 on Apr 23, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF YOU WERE RELATED TO CRACKLE AND POP, YOU’D BE SNAP
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF YOU WERE EASY, YOU’D BE A SNAP
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Apr 23, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I WANT TO GET AN IPHONE, THEN I’D GET SOME SNAPS
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF YOU WERE JIM THOME ADVERTISING FOR SNAPPLE YOU WOULD SAY i LOVE SNAP
SNAPPLE
by lincypoo i wuv u on Apr 23, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS A WI
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by bondslegend on Apr 24, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WIN
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by bondslegend on Apr 24, 2009 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF YOU WERE A 90S ELECTRONIC MUSIC GROUP THAT RECORDED THE SONGS “THE POWER” AND “RHYTHM IS A DANCER”, YOU’D BE SNAP!
by dmunk on Apr 24, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Literacy and sample size are popular things ’round these parts.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could see how we’d want more than one good start before hopping into this particular bandwagon, right?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Apr 23, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, as long as people keep posting his Twitters here, it’ll be hard for me to like him.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like this?
3 hrs sleep… should have partied. Traces of adrenaline still in body, gonna go for a walk before the mercury hits triples digits in AZabout
5 hours ago from web
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, give us, I don’t know, two months of solid performance before you ride in with wcw on the “I told you so” horse.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Apr 23, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah the horse was ready to go today
I had no choice
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I take it you believe that Matt Holliday will hit zero homeruns for the A’s this year?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Apr 23, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I think that? I am an optomist
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t trust an optometrist with such bad spelling. You might read all the letters correctly, but he’ll think you’re wrong!
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish you would’ve misspelled either. This would be a great place for a joke about doing Andre Ethier.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre Ethier is no laughing matter.
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a musician named Andre Ethier who used to be in a band from Canada called The Deadly Snakes. I always wanted to make that into a joke when the Dodgers are in town, but it’s just too obscure and unfunny.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which describes about 90% of my posts.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have laughed at this if it wasn’t so obscure and unfunny.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/Kim Batiste reference
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should probably just stick with Suck it, Ethier.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 23, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only LA traded him to Arizona, you might have something…
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by EliminateMe on Apr 23, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw man, I have one deadly snakes album and I really like it. I like it less now.
by thethrillisgone on Apr 23, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he is an optimistic optometrist?
You can read the letters incorrectly, but he knows you’ll get it right one of these days!
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 23, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s got more evidence going for it than the idea that Zito has turned it around.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Apr 23, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUM SUX
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, this is why you shouldn't be here
because you don’t know what I’m talking about.
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oldjacket, your explanatory efforts were officially wasted.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
story of my life
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Apr 23, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
just wow
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
UR MOM IZ FUN LOL
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Apr 23, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol replying to self
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by jponry on Apr 23, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol replying to self
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Apr 23, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the thing
I like Zito. I don’t hate him at all. However, I’m going to need to see more than one good start for me to gain much confidence in him. He has shown flashes of brilliance before that have given people false hope, but we’ll have to wait and see how he does over an extended period of time before I stop dreading his starts.
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
….But this time it’s different? What’s your point?
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with your comment
is that all Athletic did was observe that Zito was throwing the ball better. That doesn’t necessarily translate to pitching better. Especially if zito becomes rattled by poor defense – as is his history. But right now, in his first three starts, Zito looks like he’s got some tools to compete – particularly the two level curve. Last year Zito was a guy with nothing – no ammo – throwing sticks at howitzers.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
There have been a few times when we all thought he was “throwing the ball better.” We just want to see some consistency first.
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok I get it. You want zito to throw "continuously" better
before you conclude he threw the ball better? Thanks for clearing that all up.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We want some evidence that this is anything more than the fluke good starts he had over the last couple years when his curveball was just as great and opposing hitters looked just as bad. We want him to keep doing it because we’ve been burned before.
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by groug on Apr 23, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah... the point is the observation of improvement came before this last start.
Why would you require that Zito sustain this improvement in order to validate the original observation? Do you get that, at all? Through his first three starts, and as a Giant, I’ve never seen zito with this much bite on his curve nor “hop” on his fastball. Have you?
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see some analysis on this, 2007, 2008, and 2009 pitch f/x movements on all his pitches. Not that I don’t trust your opinion, but I’m not sure I would trust anyone’s opinion on these kind of things unless they’re a pro scout.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I’m not even going to bother anymore.
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is this so hard to understand?
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the consensus may be we want him to pitch like that every day to justify his GIMONSTROUSNORMOUS contract. He just needs more time to show he can do it. we are not going to fly off the handle after 2 good starts.
by scout6 on Apr 23, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PROTIP
Anything can happen in one or a handful of starts. Zito has shown “brilliance” (or “decentness”) in small bursts before (and yes, in terms of pure stuff as well as results). Forgive us for wanting to hold off to see what else is to come before anointing him again.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Apr 23, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is anointing required?
did you have so little confidence in your own ability to make a simple observation that you need zito to actually throw 7 shut-out innings (or more apparently) before you can say he is throwing the ball better? You know it’s okay to say he is not throwing the ball better – or that he threw this well at some time last year but still sucked overall. I’d disagree, but it’s certainly an opinion.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I’ve just been burned by him before and as a result, I’m now wary of overreacting to small sample sizes. Believe me, I would love nothing more than for Zito to end up pitching 220 innings this year at a sub-4 ERA. I just, realistically, don’t think it’s going to happen.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Apr 23, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the ones overreacting are not the ones saying zito is looking better.
Realistically, zito will not have a sub 4 era.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don’t really get your point, then.
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by jponry on Apr 23, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a small thing really
Zito looks like he is throwing better. He’s got some tools to compete this year – as opposed to last year. Not sure why anyone would get their panties all bunched up over that. +4 is a good era for a #4/#5 starter btw. In case you didn’t know.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think all of us agree on that, but the tone of Athletics’s posts have rubbed some people the wrong way. As well as declaring himself to be “right” and pulling a “lol I told you so!” after one good game (let’s not forget… dude still has a 5.62 ERA).
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Apr 23, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know athletics history here.
But I did observe the same things he commented upon. And I am truly surprised by the number of McCoven jumping down his throat for even suggesting zito might have gotten some tools back.
The 5.63 era is why I made it a point to say Zito is throwing better rather than pitching better. But let’s not forget that Lewis horrible defense and Medders ineptitude contributed greatly to that inflated era.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back and read his original post and come back and tell me that suggesting that Zito might have gotten some tools back is what anyone’s jumping down Athletics’s throat for.
Just to make it easier for you, I’ll cp it in its entirety:
Wow you guys are a bunch of haters
I told you all he was back, now you’ve seen him dominate and you still don’t believe if you guys hate your team so much why don’t you go be a padres fan or something
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Apr 23, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure that post was inentionally inflamatory...
but if you go back to his original post where he came to the cove in a friendly manner with his upbeat zito observation, you’ll see a string of replies essentially calling him a fool and idiot. So this latest “i told you so post” seems entirely predictable and understandable. Think Jeff Kent vs. Sadler.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The original post included the gem of
I have taken pleasure out of seeing Zito struggle with the Giants
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Apr 23, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a statement meant to establish credbility.
in that he wants zito to do poorly, but must report “the facts.” That’s how I read it.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’ll just say that I personally didn’t have that much of a problem with his original post (this one however was dumb) but that’s just not the right foot to start this sort of thing out on.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Apr 23, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he just meant that as an A’s fan it was a relief to see Zito struggling with the Giants. If Zito’d gone on to win 3 more Cy Youngs with the Giants, A’s fans would be calling for the head of whoever didn’t resign the dude.
by Merope on Apr 23, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The entire premise of this post was that Zito looked better, you know.
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This whole double speak is getting you nowhere
What Athletic actually said was that Zito “was back.” That certainly implies more than just “throwing the ball better” right now. That implies that he has returned to being a very good pitcher.
Color us all skeptical on that.
Understand now?
Or perhaps you understood all along?
Either way, your’e not painting yourself in a very flattering way with your first comments.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
by thehavenot on Apr 23, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, what a bunch of bull
sure… let’s take one minuscule part of a post and amplify it so as to obscure the underlying truth in the observation. Color me skeptical about your ability to comprehend what you read.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told you all he was back
That’s not “throwing better”. What else does “back” imply?
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ad hominems. How very useful.
I guess we have different views about what “he was back” means. I see evidence that it means what we think it means and not what you think it means.
But I don’t think you are actually interested in that conversation…
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
by thehavenot on Apr 23, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How's that doublespeak working you Inigo?
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You kill my father. Prepare to die.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
by thehavenot on Apr 23, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday was nice.
You are aware the ’09 Pad’s is a squad I fully expect to lose 90 games? That kind of makes it hard to get all jacked up when that is the entire sample body to support "Zito has recovered. The Albatross is soaring!!"
Still everything begins somewhere , I just won’t put anything you can’t lose that yesterday was that beginning.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow you guys are a bunch of haters
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by nvsfg on Apr 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have hope...
Though my only hope is that he gets his head out of his ass and realizes he needs to make a drastic change to get some velocity back. If he is able to get that extra couple mph using his lazy looking leg kick bulls*** then fine. If not he needs to scrap it and build from the ground up. I’m tired of him looking like he cares about style points more than results. The guy has been horrible and he needs to act like that is a major problem instead of just going back to the well over and over pretending its going to change.
Bring me the head of Barry Zito!
by elGuapo on Apr 23, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He got close to 90 mph
On at least one pitch yesterday, according to MLB At Bat. I’ll settle for that.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Apr 23, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t looked at his velo data this year, but his velocity improved some towards the end of last season.
I’ll be interested to see how hard he’s throwing right now. At the beginning of last season his velo was pretty ugly at times. Of course, it takes more than just velocity to be a good pitcher but it’s an interesting discussion point for Zito.
by xanthan on Apr 23, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NURD
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HATER IN THE HOUSE
YES I USE ALL CAPS NOW
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the info from yesterday
via Brooks Baseball:
Fastest 4-seamer: 89.3
The horizontal axis is weird, but just try to envision it spreading 7 innings.
His strike percentages were also amazing with roughly 75% on the fastball and curve each.
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by hairball on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might have hit 89 once yesterday
A quick glance at pitch f/x data indicated his velocity was down a bit from his start in LA. The ump in LA seemed to miss about 6 or 7 strikes. Not that that is responsible for the different results. LA can mash the ball.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similar speed, that game, but nowhere near as good of control
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by hairball on Apr 23, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if you look at a histogram of fastballs you'll observe he was a little slower
or at the very least threw more fastball in the low end of the 80’s. I’d be surprised if his average fastball velocity was the same between starts.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
He probably averaged around 87 in LA, and 86 vs. SD, but keep in mind, that was with 2 more innings.
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by hairball on Apr 23, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting... I would have thought it was more than that
thanks for checking.
by khenderson on Apr 23, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris, could you do a 2007/2008/start of 2009 movement and speed graph/chart for Zito? If you’ve got a database built up at least. I’d do it but only way I know to get the data would be copying and pasting about 70 starts.
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by WalrusMan on Apr 23, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not just his fastball it's the bite on his curve
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
are you capable of posting a single reply without a spelling or grammatical error?
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that is the only reply you have for me that is lame amigo
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've already been destroyed in other ways
I’m just focusing on what I know best.
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you know grammar better than Baseball?
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HES GOT YOU THERE MAN LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GIS for "sick burn"
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D: DNW
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you what I'm going to add your profile to my favorites so we can chat about this all the time :)
by Athletic on Apr 23, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please dont
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're more optimistic than I am right now, but we'll see if Athletic turns out to be prescient.
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by Mayor of 311 on Apr 23, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He loves to say I told you so!
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by Natto on Apr 23, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUMGARNER SUX! ZITO RULZ!
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to relive a Barry Zito start.
Someone stop this man before he kills.
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 23, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s probably still going to suck. But, yesterday’s start was nice.
by xanthan on Apr 23, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See, I can’t just write that and call it a day even if I wanted to.
by Grant on Apr 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what makes you man
And xanthan machine
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Apr 23, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So a half-man/half-machine would be half Grant/half xanthan?
/shudders
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Apr 23, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grant’s ham is in the gentlemen unisex toilet? I hope he’s getting paid well for that.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Apr 23, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You did yesterday
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminder:
Zito probably still sucks.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 23, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday was the first time in a long time that I watched a Zito start and said to myself “Man, this guy can still pitch.” I was at the game yesterday and the radar gun on his fastball was reading around 88-90, which is fantastic news if the gun was accurate. He was also hammering the strike zone; his strikes/balls ratio was 66/26, which is also fantastic news. I think if can keep hammering the zone like this in his future starts, he should be a serviceable 4th/5th starter.
by deuce deuce on Apr 23, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Zito has thrown a 90mph fastball in 2-3 years now.
by xanthan on Apr 23, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember
the CSN radar gun had at least one of his pitches at 90 yesterday. IDK if it’s accurate, but it said 90 for sure
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Wilson workout is a success!
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by Azmanz on Apr 23, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll see what Lord PITCHf/x has to say about it and report back to this thread later.
by xanthan on Apr 23, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GET OUT OF YOUR MOMS BASSMENT
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by jcb9 on Apr 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, TV radar guns usually suck. I always lol at Fox’s radar gun.
OMG ZUMUYA JUST THREW 104 MPH!!!1
by xanthan on Apr 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs