As the Barry Zito Turns
by Grant Brisbee on Apr 23, 2009 10:23 AM PDT
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PrintA common question from baseball fans who don't follow the Giants: "Oh, man. I bet Zito gets the holy heck booed out of him in San Francisco, right?" I've been asked that several times, and the answer is always, "Uh, not really." After two years, $30M+ thrown into the cove, and 65 mostly unwatchable starts for the Giants, a lot of us are still holding out a little hope.
We could boo him until his eyebrows fell off, but that wouldn't change that a) Zito's still going to be here for the next 4,052 seasons, and b) any scenario in which he improves probably doesn't involve continuous boo showers. So we wait patiently, throw him an occasional boo after his especially wretched starts, and cheer for his 112-pitch, 3 ER, 6 IP, 3 BB, 2 K games as if he were a legless man placing 17th in a high jump competition. Good show, dear sir! We're really proud of those six innings and all you had to overcome to get the quality start! How inspiring!
No one is holding out hope for Zito to resume his Cy Young ways. No one. I'd put money on Mike McBryde winning a Cy Young before Zito wins another. And no one is really hoping for Zito to be a top-of-the-rotation pitcher, either. I think a lot of folks would be satisfied with this:
Ignore the ugly 1999, as no one obviously wants a repeat of that, but I'm hoping for Barry Zito to become Mark Gardner. It's not a perfect comp -- Gardner could throw strikes when he wanted to, for one -- but I'm hoping Zito can pitch close to 200 innings of league average ball, alternate hittable with masterful, and stick around for a few years at the back end of the rotation. It's a realistic hope. It also requires heavy drinking to forget about the shiny free agents we could get if we didn't have some pseudo-Gardy making scores of millions.
I listened to the game on the radio yesterday. When I came home from work, I wanted to watch a recording of the television broadcast. I wanted to relive a Barry Zito start. I'm optimistic that he can reach the optimistic predictions that would have seemed pessimistic back when I was reluctantly optimistic in that crazy, post-spending spree kind of way.
Comment starter: Is your definition of Zito optimism as pessimistically optimistic as mine?
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I really doubt we’ll see another start like yesterday’s for the duration of his contract, but as long as he’s not absolutely HORRIFIC like he has mostly been so far, then I’ll be fine. It’s depressing to have to “hope” a guy making 18 mil a year is simply league-average, but I think that’s where we’re at on Zito at this point
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I thought that was Jake “the Snake” Roberts there for a second.
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 23, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions
Nah. You can tell it’s not him from the lack of a third trimester gut and crack pipe.
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All I want is ZitLOL not ZitLOLOLOLOLOLOL………………..
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by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 23, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree wholeheartedly with the “I wanted to relive a Barry Zito start”, weird but true. I generally skip every 5th start, was glad to hear it yesterday. I generally avoid Zito optimism, it hurts too much.
You think your a fan? You got nothing on my adopted daughter Sue Burns, now she's a fan. 4 out of 5 doctors agree Rosterbation can cause blindness and delusions of grandeur.
Yesterday showed us that he CAN still be an ace
That is a wonderful thing, because it will stay in the back of our minds every time he starts. Every one of our pitchers has had an ace performance already this year, so it’s exciting.
As far as expectations… I know he has excellent “stuff”. He actually does seem to have things going better so far this year, even if his record doesn’t show it. I would like to see a winning season this year. If he can do that, then I’m all in.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I don’t know if I’d call them ace performances yet, I’d call an ace performance 8 innings or complete game 0-2 runs.
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Ace performances:
Lincecum:
4/18 8.0 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 13 K
Johnson:
4/19 7.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K
Cain:
4/9 7.0 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5 K
Zito:
4/22 7.0 IP, 6 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K
Sanchez:
4/17 6.2 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 4 BB, 4 BB
Are you seriously denying the “ace” nature of any of those starts? In arguably the worst of the bunch, Sanchez allowed only 2 hits!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
It’s the same kind of mentality where people only classify 10-15 pitchers in the league Aces, even if they are the best pitchers on their staff. It depends on what you go by.
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Fixed... sort of...
In arguably the worst of the bunch, Sanchez allowed only 2 hits and walked 4 people – twice!
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Even if he keeps flailing at fastballs over his head in a Benard-ian way, I’d be willing to pay Pablo Sandoval’s salary personally if he contributes to making Zito starts watchable.
by SheboyganBratwurst on Apr 23, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions
Pablo should be Zito's personal catcher.
Stat of the night
.215: That’s the batting average of hitters against Barry Zito when Pablo Sandoval is behind the plate. Sandoval made his first start at catcher in 2009 for the Giants on Wednesday (but his sixth career start when Zito has been on the mound), and Barry responded, throwing seven shutout frames in a game San Francisco eventually won 1-0, in 10 innings. Perhaps Sandoval should make a habit of catching Zito, who doesn’t do nearly as well (.273 opposing batting average) when Bengie Molina is his backstop.
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by Azmanz on Apr 23, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mirabelli was always Wakefield's catcher
sure, that’s a knuckleballer, but some guys do prefer certain catchers.
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It’s 2009, you can’t pass judgment.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Apr 24, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
My view:
As long as he gives us a chance to win most of the time he pitches I can’t really complain. If he gives us a good chance like 2/3 of the time I think that would be awesome.
Expecting him to live up to his contract is kind of ridiculous…even Timmy would have a hard time doing that. To justify that salary, a pitcher has to be really freaking amazing every year.
by positiveuphemism on Apr 23, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions
It’s not really unrealistic to assume Zito could become a serviceable starter again in this league. Since he starting making adjustments midway last year he hasn’t been THAT bad. He was pretty good in the 2nd half of last year, and has been ok this year so far. Yesterday was exceptional, and that bad SD start he had he was kind of unlucky with all of the bloop hits and such.
He was better in the 2nd half of 2007 and look what happened last year. Over his whole career he’s over half a run better in the second half, so I’m not sure what we can really look into a 1st half 2nd half split for improvement.
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Wow you guys are a bunch of haters
I told you all he was back, now you’ve seen him dominate and you still don’t believe if you guys hate your team so much why don’t you go be a padres fan or something
Not really. More annoying than funny.
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Yes, one good start is clearly a more meaningful evaluation tool than the last two years and all his other starts this year.
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Like most cheerleaders in my high school
You skipped a period that would have been really good to have.
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by Mayor of 311 on Apr 23, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
One outstanding start out of thirty by Barry Zito should make me think twice about hating my team.
I guess you’re here since there are no problems going on with the A’s…
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 23, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Rumor has it Athletics Nation gets a few comments here and there.
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how original!
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Favorite cheese
Mine would be either mozzerella or pecorino. Trader Joe’s does this fantastic smoked gouda, too.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
If you ever visit the inner sunset there is a place called Holy Gelato that makes goat cheese gelato. It sounds weird, but it is delicious!
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by Norm Median on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Pepperjack FTW! I’ve had pepperjack burgers on sourdough toast all week.
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
Pepperjack is, IMO, vastly underrated among the cheeses. It just brings so much to the table. Pepper AND Jacks. Win.
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Pepperjack is indeed win. My mom got some pepperjack chipotle cheese at the grocery. omfg so good.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
+ a million
yums
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I’m a big fan of smoked gouda. Also queso fresco. Feta is great, too, and blue cheese. And goat cheese.
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Cheese is just amazing the end.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Why is your end dazzled by the cheese?
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
GIS for "cheese turn on"
I’m nto sure.
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Some cheese
We went to this restaraunt in Sonoma and got the fruit and cheese platter for an appetizer. One of the cheeses smelled like old socks or crap or something unpleasant. Yeah. I tried a bit of it and it tasted like it smelled.
I didn’t like that cheese.
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Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
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No joke, I had a room-mate in college who ate at least a quarter pound of cheese every day. My favorite cheese is probably blue. Goes great on a peppered bison burger.
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I was hungry so…I thought I’d heat up a brick of cheese.
….
I need my cheese!
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YES
I love this movie. You are awesome.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Apr 23, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I find A’s fans to be an insufferable lot of myopic toads who can’t pull a coherent argument out of their nether regions, much like yourself. I especially dislike Athletics Nation. However, I have the good sense to leave all that alone and let the A’s fans discuss their team in peace. It does no good to start trolling a board that doesn’t pertain to you or your interests. If I were still an A’s fan, I’d write Zito off and just be done with it. You have far better pitching to focus on now, so go do that and shut the fuck up.
And yes, Trader Joe’s is fantastic. I got some killer ahi steaks from there that we shall have for dinner.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
destruction
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
P : W : N : E : D
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 23, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
And...
Boom goes the Baron :-)
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by EliminateMe on Apr 23, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Favorite cheese?
Yes.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
swiss
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
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gruyere
KING OF ALL CHEESES
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by The Gene Hackman on Apr 23, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
monterey jack. freaking awesome stuff. can’t go wrong with a nice, sharp cheddar, either.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm lactarded
No cheese for me!
It’s ok. I get by…
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Apr 23, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you ever stopped and wondered how cheese was discovered?
“Hey, guys, you know what I’m going to do? I’m going to squeeze a cow’s nipples, take whatever comes out, and let it sit out until it solidifies and maybe has some flecks of mold growing on it. Then, I’m going to spread it on a cracker!”
“Sounds good!”
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It’s basically the same exact thing.
Calvin says "The more you think about things, the weirder they seem. Take milk for example. Why do we drink COW milk? Who was the guy who first looked at a cow and said. "I think I’ll drink whatever comes out of these things when I squeeze ’em!"
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Remember this
was very funny
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I have. That and drinking milk from other animals in the first place.
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Cheese pie?
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
NOT AS GOOD AS CHEESECAKE
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Apr 23, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
this
tell that to lars, though
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
CHEESEBURGER CHEESEBURGER CHEESEBURGER CHEESEBURGER
by satyricrash on Apr 23, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Turkey and Havarti – great sandwich. Had one yesterday.
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another vote for Havarti.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 24, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Wine and chess?
Hm, playing chess when hammered does sound fun.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
You mean 'chesse'
It looks so much more elitist with the gratuitous ‘e’.
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by EliminateMe on Apr 23, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Guys, we really should start discussing wine more.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Black Box is the only way to go. Especially if you are tail gating. Wine in a Box FTW!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
isn't 2 buck chuck
actually cheaper per unit volume of ethanol these days? And you can get it at TJs.
And it’s drinkable. In fact, it better than most $8 red wines.
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2 Buck Chuck FTW
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It's $2.50 now =(
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 24, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
And more traffic than the Oakland Coliseum.
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chesse, not cheese
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
What about his being?
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this is hilarious
either intentionally or unintentionally. If intentionally, well played
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Fancy grilled cheese and a glass of wine!
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m afraid you just aren’t very smart.
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 23, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
FWIW, I appreciate your optimism
And do think that Zito’s got better stuff and maybe even control this year, but it’s been 3 starts. I think everybody is turning on you as a way of saying, “Get back to us in 2 months”.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Good call on zito
You’re one of a few observers who noted zito was throwing better. And it takes some balls to state it amongst all the pitch-fork carriers when the results had yet to reflect any improvement.
Zito in 2 months
i want to know what it looks like
Thanks I Understand the anger over Zito
If I was a Giants fan I for the last 2 seasons watching Zito crease 82 mph heaters down the heart of the plate I would have been pissed too. That is not the case this year his curve has its bite back and he has gotten quite a bit of velocity back
well,
here’s hoping you’re right. Even though you’re still a douchebag
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Gentlemen, we have MCC's next fake user
“an actualy douchebag”
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It would probably have to hunt-and-peck.
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So what I am getting here and correct me if I am wrong
is that if I am going to post here you guys would prefer I attack the Giants instead of giving them props, no prob
See earlier "douchebag" comment
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
What you are getting here
is your ass handed to you. If you want to stick around for that, by all means do so. We need the entertainment.
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 23, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
it's almost sad really
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
This would hurt my feelings a lot if it didn’t come from a fan of the team who are last in the AL in runs scored.
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OH SNAP
IF YOU WERE A LEGUME YOU WOULD BE A SUGAR SNAP PEA
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by EliminateMe on Apr 23, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
IF I WERE A ZIPPER YOU’D RIP ME OUT AND REPLACE ME WITH A SNAP.
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IF YOU WERE ADMIRAL ACKBAR YOU’D SAY “IT’S A SNAP”
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
IF YOU WERE EASY, YOU’D BE A SNAP
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SNAPPLE
by lincypoo i wuv u on Apr 23, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS A WI
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Literacy and sample size are popular things ’round these parts.
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you could see how we’d want more than one good start before hopping into this particular bandwagon, right?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Also, as long as people keep posting his Twitters here, it’ll be hard for me to like him.
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Like this?
3 hrs sleep… should have partied. Traces of adrenaline still in body, gonna go for a walk before the mercury hits triples digits in AZabout
5 hours ago from web
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
well, give us, I don’t know, two months of solid performance before you ride in with wcw on the “I told you so” horse.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
So I take it you believe that Matt Holliday will hit zero homeruns for the A’s this year?
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
I wouldn’t trust an optometrist with such bad spelling. You might read all the letters correctly, but he’ll think you’re wrong!
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I wish you would’ve misspelled either. This would be a great place for a joke about doing Andre Ethier.
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There’s a musician named Andre Ethier who used to be in a band from Canada called The Deadly Snakes. I always wanted to make that into a joke when the Dodgers are in town, but it’s just too obscure and unfunny.
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Which describes about 90% of my posts.
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I would have laughed at this if it wasn’t so obscure and unfunny.
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You should probably just stick with Suck it, Ethier.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 23, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
If only LA traded him to Arizona, you might have something…
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Aw man, I have one deadly snakes album and I really like it. I like it less now.
by thethrillisgone on Apr 23, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps he is an optimistic optometrist?
You can read the letters incorrectly, but he knows you’ll get it right one of these days!
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 23, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s got more evidence going for it than the idea that Zito has turned it around.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
See, this is why you shouldn't be here
because you don’t know what I’m talking about.
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
oldjacket, your explanatory efforts were officially wasted.
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wow
just wow
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
lol replying to self
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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lol replying to self
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Here's the thing
I like Zito. I don’t hate him at all. However, I’m going to need to see more than one good start for me to gain much confidence in him. He has shown flashes of brilliance before that have given people false hope, but we’ll have to wait and see how he does over an extended period of time before I stop dreading his starts.
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The problem with your comment
is that all Athletic did was observe that Zito was throwing the ball better. That doesn’t necessarily translate to pitching better. Especially if zito becomes rattled by poor defense – as is his history. But right now, in his first three starts, Zito looks like he’s got some tools to compete – particularly the two level curve. Last year Zito was a guy with nothing – no ammo – throwing sticks at howitzers.
sigh
There have been a few times when we all thought he was “throwing the ball better.” We just want to see some consistency first.
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Ok I get it. You want zito to throw "continuously" better
before you conclude he threw the ball better? Thanks for clearing that all up.
We want some evidence that this is anything more than the fluke good starts he had over the last couple years when his curveball was just as great and opposing hitters looked just as bad. We want him to keep doing it because we’ve been burned before.
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ah... the point is the observation of improvement came before this last start.
Why would you require that Zito sustain this improvement in order to validate the original observation? Do you get that, at all? Through his first three starts, and as a Giant, I’ve never seen zito with this much bite on his curve nor “hop” on his fastball. Have you?
I’d like to see some analysis on this, 2007, 2008, and 2009 pitch f/x movements on all his pitches. Not that I don’t trust your opinion, but I’m not sure I would trust anyone’s opinion on these kind of things unless they’re a pro scout.
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
PROTIP
Anything can happen in one or a handful of starts. Zito has shown “brilliance” (or “decentness”) in small bursts before (and yes, in terms of pure stuff as well as results). Forgive us for wanting to hold off to see what else is to come before anointing him again.
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is anointing required?
did you have so little confidence in your own ability to make a simple observation that you need zito to actually throw 7 shut-out innings (or more apparently) before you can say he is throwing the ball better? You know it’s okay to say he is not throwing the ball better – or that he threw this well at some time last year but still sucked overall. I’d disagree, but it’s certainly an opinion.
No, I’ve just been burned by him before and as a result, I’m now wary of overreacting to small sample sizes. Believe me, I would love nothing more than for Zito to end up pitching 220 innings this year at a sub-4 ERA. I just, realistically, don’t think it’s going to happen.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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I think the ones overreacting are not the ones saying zito is looking better.
Realistically, zito will not have a sub 4 era.
Well, I don’t really get your point, then.
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it's a small thing really
Zito looks like he is throwing better. He’s got some tools to compete this year – as opposed to last year. Not sure why anyone would get their panties all bunched up over that. +4 is a good era for a #4/#5 starter btw. In case you didn’t know.
I think all of us agree on that, but the tone of Athletics’s posts have rubbed some people the wrong way. As well as declaring himself to be “right” and pulling a “lol I told you so!” after one good game (let’s not forget… dude still has a 5.62 ERA).
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I don't know athletics history here.
But I did observe the same things he commented upon. And I am truly surprised by the number of McCoven jumping down his throat for even suggesting zito might have gotten some tools back.
The 5.63 era is why I made it a point to say Zito is throwing better rather than pitching better. But let’s not forget that Lewis horrible defense and Medders ineptitude contributed greatly to that inflated era.
Go back and read his original post and come back and tell me that suggesting that Zito might have gotten some tools back is what anyone’s jumping down Athletics’s throat for.
Just to make it easier for you, I’ll cp it in its entirety:
Wow you guys are a bunch of haters
I told you all he was back, now you’ve seen him dominate and you still don’t believe if you guys hate your team so much why don’t you go be a padres fan or something
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
sure that post was inentionally inflamatory...
but if you go back to his original post where he came to the cove in a friendly manner with his upbeat zito observation, you’ll see a string of replies essentially calling him a fool and idiot. So this latest “i told you so post” seems entirely predictable and understandable. Think Jeff Kent vs. Sadler.
The original post included the gem of
I have taken pleasure out of seeing Zito struggle with the Giants
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
That's a statement meant to establish credbility.
in that he wants zito to do poorly, but must report “the facts.” That’s how I read it.
Well, I’ll just say that I personally didn’t have that much of a problem with his original post (this one however was dumb) but that’s just not the right foot to start this sort of thing out on.
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The entire premise of this post was that Zito looked better, you know.
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This whole double speak is getting you nowhere
What Athletic actually said was that Zito “was back.” That certainly implies more than just “throwing the ball better” right now. That implies that he has returned to being a very good pitcher.
Color us all skeptical on that.
Understand now?
Or perhaps you understood all along?
Either way, your’e not painting yourself in a very flattering way with your first comments.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
Jesus, what a bunch of bull
sure… let’s take one minuscule part of a post and amplify it so as to obscure the underlying truth in the observation. Color me skeptical about your ability to comprehend what you read.
I told you all he was back
That’s not “throwing better”. What else does “back” imply?
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Ad hominems. How very useful.
I guess we have different views about what “he was back” means. I see evidence that it means what we think it means and not what you think it means.
But I don’t think you are actually interested in that conversation…
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
Yesterday was nice.
You are aware the ’09 Pad’s is a squad I fully expect to lose 90 games? That kind of makes it hard to get all jacked up when that is the entire sample body to support "Zito has recovered. The Albatross is soaring!!"
Still everything begins somewhere , I just won’t put anything you can’t lose that yesterday was that beginning.
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by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow you guys are a bunch of haters
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I have hope...
Though my only hope is that he gets his head out of his ass and realizes he needs to make a drastic change to get some velocity back. If he is able to get that extra couple mph using his lazy looking leg kick bulls*** then fine. If not he needs to scrap it and build from the ground up. I’m tired of him looking like he cares about style points more than results. The guy has been horrible and he needs to act like that is a major problem instead of just going back to the well over and over pretending its going to change.
Bring me the head of Barry Zito!
He got close to 90 mph
On at least one pitch yesterday, according to MLB At Bat. I’ll settle for that.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I haven’t looked at his velo data this year, but his velocity improved some towards the end of last season.
I’ll be interested to see how hard he’s throwing right now. At the beginning of last season his velo was pretty ugly at times. Of course, it takes more than just velocity to be a good pitcher but it’s an interesting discussion point for Zito.
NURD
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's the info from yesterday
via Brooks Baseball:
Fastest 4-seamer: 89.3
The horizontal axis is weird, but just try to envision it spreading 7 innings.
His strike percentages were also amazing with roughly 75% on the fastball and curve each.
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He might have hit 89 once yesterday
A quick glance at pitch f/x data indicated his velocity was down a bit from his start in LA. The ump in LA seemed to miss about 6 or 7 strikes. Not that that is responsible for the different results. LA can mash the ball.
Similar speed, that game, but nowhere near as good of control
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I think if you look at a histogram of fastballs you'll observe he was a little slower
or at the very least threw more fastball in the low end of the 80’s. I’d be surprised if his average fastball velocity was the same between starts.
You're right
He probably averaged around 87 in LA, and 86 vs. SD, but keep in mind, that was with 2 more innings.
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interesting... I would have thought it was more than that
thanks for checking.
Chris, could you do a 2007/2008/start of 2009 movement and speed graph/chart for Zito? If you’ve got a database built up at least. I’d do it but only way I know to get the data would be copying and pasting about 70 starts.
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seriously
are you capable of posting a single reply without a spelling or grammatical error?
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
You've already been destroyed in other ways
I’m just focusing on what I know best.
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
HES GOT YOU THERE MAN LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
please dont
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you're more optimistic than I am right now, but we'll see if Athletic turns out to be prescient.
Forsan et heac olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
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I wanted to relive a Barry Zito start.
Someone stop this man before he kills.
by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 23, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
See, I can’t just write that and call it a day even if I wanted to.
by Grant Brisbee on Apr 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what makes you man
And xanthan machine
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
So a half-man/half-machine would be half Grant/half xanthan?
/shudders
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Grant’s ham is in the gentlemen unisex toilet? I hope he’s getting paid well for that.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Apr 23, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You did yesterday
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by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Yesterday was the first time in a long time that I watched a Zito start and said to myself “Man, this guy can still pitch.” I was at the game yesterday and the radar gun on his fastball was reading around 88-90, which is fantastic news if the gun was accurate. He was also hammering the strike zone; his strikes/balls ratio was 66/26, which is also fantastic news. I think if can keep hammering the zone like this in his future starts, he should be a serviceable 4th/5th starter.
I remember
the CSN radar gun had at least one of his pitches at 90 yesterday. IDK if it’s accurate, but it said 90 for sure
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
GET OUT OF YOUR MOMS BASSMENT
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yeah
i really doubt it’s accurate, but it made me happy to see nonetheless
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
see my post above
89.3 is pretty close!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Yea, I’m not vouching for the accuracy of the stadium gun, but there was at least two times when the fastball velocity read 90 mph. I know from his other starts last season that I’ve seen the fastball clocked on the stadium gun at 82-84 mph His fastball may have not actually been 90 mph, but it was a good deal faster, and that’s encouraging news.
by deuce deuce on Apr 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I, for one
welcome our new strike throwing, starlet banging overlord.
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I was totally bed-ridden sick yesterday
and Zito’s start coupled with Money coming through yet again made it slightly more bearable.
so yeah, more of that.
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I boo Zito at every opportunity. I booed him when he was on stage at Fanfest. I dislike him intensely.
I’ll give him a break until his next start, though. He pitched very well yesterday and has earned a reprieve from my wrath.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions
Is it his fault Magowan is an idiot?
I don’t like Zito myself, but it’s tough to get mad at someone for signing a 127 mil contract that’s put in front of them
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah, but nothing has stopped my misdirected anger before.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
fair enough
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
He also seems to be an unlikable person. So he’s got that going on.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 23, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Brian Wilson’s behavior is pretty douchetastic, but I think Zito is just either perpetually stoned or just out of it naturally.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
People have been calling Brian Wilson a douche, but I’ve never gotten this vibe from him. Is it just me?
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He seems more like a fucking weirdo than a douche to me.
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+1
wtf hair
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I never thought he could ditch the face merkin and look WORSE.
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A weird closer? Who could ever imagine of such a far out thing?
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by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
/Bill Lee says no way man.
//Al Hrabosky seconds the motion and then talks to himself
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He seems hilariously weird to me.
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I think he’s funny. It’s great to have someone on our team that’s not all “bla bla bla all i want to talk about is sports clichés” all the time.
by satyricrash on Apr 23, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Douche and annoying hyped up jock have become inter changable latley. Would I be friends with him or go out drinking with him? Probably not (unless I want to end up in a stolen bay quacker boating under the GG) But otherwise I think he is probably really nice. Just sort of an attention seeking crazy person/amped up jock
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by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Douche and annoying hyped up jock have become inter changable latley.
Totally.
by satyricrash on Apr 23, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as he doesn’t pop collars, he’s cool with me.
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que pic of guy with 10000000 popped collars
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Nevermind I found it
Loser
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
love it
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Even without the popped collars, he’d be creepy. Look at that expression.
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Rapist eyes
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by SoFa King Mike on Apr 23, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I was think more along the lines of:
“Boy do i have surprise for my girlfriend! I think the guy taking the picture is HOT!”
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by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do you think he has all those shirts? He needs lots of pockets to store all the roofies.
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Until 2003, my wife worked at Wesleyan University in Connecticut, which was full of rich hip liberal kids. It was popped collar central. I really wanted to punch all of them.
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Link please
Baron, what’s so douchey about Mohawkfail?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Bad hair and he pretty much dissed one of my friends. He behaved in a manner that was unbecoming.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay- see, that's the knowledge that I didn't have
I will have one of my underlings spank his punk ass later.
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nah
He might enjoy that.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't really get that.
He seems like kind of a flake, but that doesn’t make me dislike him. His taste in starlets is questionable. But really, the main thing that makes me dislike an athlete is when they treat people badly, and I don’t think of Zito as being that type.
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by EliminateMe on Apr 23, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve never had a problem with Zito’s personality.
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I'm still pretty skeptical
Zito has pitched some very good games in the past and then promptly resumed sucking on his next start. However, I must say it is promising that he was able to pitch well this early in the season.
Right now Jon Miller is somewhere wearing a flamboyant tie and thinking about me.
I said it before and I'll say it again
Here’s your Barry Zito right here:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morrima01.shtml
Compare the SFG line with the SFG line here (and entry 6 under “similarity scores”):
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zitoba01.shtml
His WHIP in SF is .4 higher than Morris’.
So, if you hated Morris, why do you like Zito? If you begged for Morris to be dumped, where’s the same demand for Zito? I know the Pirates’ GM is gone, but who knows. GINATS BRASS$ could still come through, as I think the Giants still need a bat.
I too would like to believe that there is some secret, magical potion that could make Barry Zito pitch like a 20 year old. But since that doesn’t exist, I’ll just keep hoping Sanchez gets straight enough this year to push BZ to the 5 spot, so his starts will be skipped. If Batty Zitorris is the 4th best pitcher, then hopefully he can be so excellentastic like yesterday.
And hopefully he’ll start hitting 2 or 3 homers in each of his starts, since he’s gonna haveta pitch shutouts anyhoo.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
by natteringnabob on Apr 23, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions
Wait, when did anyone but Athletic say they liked Zito?
Also, Morris was in the next-to-last year of his contract, which made him a lot more dumpable than Zito is with 37,003 years left on his. And not making as much money.
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Trademark your own flavor of Kool aid yet? If not you must put that on the top of your "to do before taking over the whole list"
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by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
explain the logic underlying that conclusion
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I meant the conclusion that you are always right
Not the conclusion regarding you having told us so.
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He's right you know.
He did tell us that.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
by EliminateMe on Apr 23, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Well actually you told Zito would be better this year, you never told us that you are always right
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
HEY AS BRASS GET OFF UR ASS AND BILD A STADIUM!!!!!!!PRONTO.
by satyricrash on Apr 23, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, come on bold a's brass
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Well actually you told us Zito would be better this year, you never told us that you are always right
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions
And I though all the stupid fans lived in LA
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Clearly, you’ve never been to Wrigleyville.
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
So, when Zito gets bombed in his next start, maybe we should all go over to AN and derail one of their threads. It’s apparently a lot of fun.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
I LOLLED
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
HEY GUYS BARRY ZITOS BACK
AND BUM SUX SHULDA DRAFTED PORC
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Thanks to roger
Since cheese was mentioned earlier
I’m currently snacking on some goat mozzarella
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
shut up with the cheese already
I’m hungry
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
by natteringnabob on Apr 23, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Cheese was only mentioned after chesse. What do you do with that?
by paboperfecto on Apr 23, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I just had a roast turkey and sharp cheddar cheese sandwich on Dutch Crust with Pesto.
This bread's got nuts in it!
by NuschlerFace on Apr 23, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey... pesto is a great touch. I wouldn't have thought of that; thanks!
Forsan et heac olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Apr 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
In all seriousness
seeing posts by people from other SBnation sites makes me appreciate this place exponentially more.
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Thanks to roger
yup
and that’s the sites with posters… some of those places are flat-out dead zones.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
by natteringnabob on Apr 23, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
holy shit
you are just a bucket of fail
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I like AN, don’t judge it by that guy.
Lookout Landing is hilarious as well.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Imagine what, say, Blue Jays fans would think of us if giantsraiman showed up ranting and raving on Bluebird Banter.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
You mean he didn’t go there last winter during the whole Tim-Rios fiasco?
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
i guess it’s unfair to judge a whole site based on 1 person…but is there a regular here who would go troll another team’s site?
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I know some people have gone to mock True Blue LA, which is kind of a waste of time, seeing as how they only have two members.
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Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
I have to say their minor league reports on True Blue LA are good.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn’t Vic spend some time at the DBack’s blog?
by chilibean_3 on Apr 23, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
ya. but not as a troll. Just being Vic.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
One of our people was trolling Gas Lamp Ball yesterday. Lars called him on it though.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
The people at Gas Lamp Ball do a good enough job of trolling themselves without us helping.
Judgment Day is coming
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ATTN GRANT
“SALTY HATERS” should replace “My fake trade is better than your fake trade.”
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
Also
I’ve created a monster through my ironic use of caps lock. :(
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
/ plants face in palm
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
strangely, this may be my favoritest comments section of all time.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Apr 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought you were going to follow that up with some type of grammatical rule, or something thoughtful.You should of said it like this: CAPS RULE!,
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
As we've established,
Athletic is not big on “rules” or “spelling” or “reason”
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by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Athletic is not big
TWSS
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
A bad trio of things to ignore here. and I say this being the the memeber with the most time in the Grammar Sin Bin.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
ARGUMENTUM AD CAPSLOCK
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t that make it a Capital Offense ?
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
bad
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
We aim to please.
Well please ourselves mostly but it is still pleaseing!
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
First waterboarding; now this?
Forsan et heac olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Apr 23, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
HEY GUYS THIS IS BA
I still believe in Bowkermania.
by rightcenterfielder on Apr 23, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
BARRY ZITO
I still believe in Bowkermania.
by rightcenterfielder on Apr 23, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
+ 100000000000000
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
by natteringnabob on Apr 23, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I come from Blazer's Edge
Compared to them even this place is tiny, but yeah a lot of SBN sites are ghost towns.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Ugh
BLEdge. We get some trolls from there on Sactown Royalty sometimes.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
There are some good SBNation sites out there. Other than the ones oldjacket mentions, there’s Red Reporter.
Judgment Day is coming
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That logo drives me nuts
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Apr 23, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
we’re not selling jeans, you know
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Prince Fielder is the only player too fat to be drafted by the A’s.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
The Giants = PHATTEST team in baseball
sure, iawtc.
"You ask for game winning hits, I give you Eugenio Velez"
by The Gene Hackman on Apr 23, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry Grant
This discussion has veered off course and is plummeting in flames toward the orphanage.
Judgment Day is coming
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I don’t think those are Dodger children down there, but we better hope so.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Apr 23, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure what to think. I logged on saw 300 comments, and thought, “Hmm. There’s no way there’s a baseball conversation going on in there.” Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
by Grant Brisbee on Apr 23, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You know your site well
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Thanks to roger
by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This one is sort of atypical, though
Usually, someone stupid makes a post, and we highjack it. This time, we started having a regular conversation, and someone stupid highjacked it.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
The reaction might have been a bit much.
by chilibean_3 on Apr 23, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you REALLY expect the McCoven to not overreact? Ever?
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
You set the tone with your uncontrollable rage.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been reading it for the past few minutes
and it’s like a gameday thread, almost, so many people are commenting so much. Doesn’t anyone have work to do?
\goes back to not working on thesis work
Adopted: David B. Flemming
That orphanage attacked me first
You all saw it
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
BIG SHOT MAGAZINE EDITOR: Grant, before I give you this big writing job at BIG SHOT MAGAZINE — one that will pay you $75,000 per word -
GRANT: – that price still seems a bit high to me -
BIG SHOT MAGAZINE EDITOR: Let me just check to make sure you are BIG SHOT MAGAZINE material. See, here at BIG SHOT MAGAZINE, we don’t just hire any Yahoo! off the street.
GRANT: So you’re not, uhm, Sports Illustrated, heh.
BIG SHOT MAGAZINE EDITOR: Ho ho! You can say that…AGAIN.
GRANT: ??
BIG SHOT MAGAZINE EDITOR: Before we sign the papers and make it official, I think we should give that baseball blog of yours a look.
GRANT: Didn’t you, er, look at it already?
BIG SHOT MAGAZINE EDITOR: No, I just said that I did. Now, let’s see, “As The Barry Zito Turns, huh?” Three hundred comments! Well, this is promising! You must be thrilled! Let’s take a look…
GRANT: Oh, uhm, ah…
On an unrelated note,
anyone else going to the this american life theater thingy tonight? Should be fun.
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Thanks to roger
I’d love to, but it’s tough with two kids under three, so.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis
Lack of responsibilities FTW!
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Thanks to roger
by bondslegend on Apr 23, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to totally steal the convo from you, but since you brought up the theatre, Sugar is playing at the dome theatre in Pleasant Hill. I’m going to see it Sunday, before I go shopping for bell pepper and tomato plants at OSH. We’re starting a garden!
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply