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Went to the SJ 4/21 Giants game. Some comments.

Alderson was pretty amazing. He changed speeds, went inside & outside. He seemed to have total command of the strike zone. His release point was off a bit in the fourth inning, so he gave up the home run on an aimed 89 mph fastball with nothing on it & the hard hit single, but for the rest of his innings, he was dominant. I don't know how he'll do above AA, because the fastball doesn't have much movement. He's going to have to grow to remain a starting pitcher. But hey, he's nineteen & gave up one run in six innings. And he seems to have a clue out there.

Angel Villalona is the real deal. Oh for three with two walks doesn't tell you much. Three ground outs doesn't tell you much. His ground out to the pitcher in the first, I'd describe as hard-hit, and was certainly the hardest hit ball of that inning. But that was his softest hit ball of the night. His other two ground outs were *smashes* that had the disadvantage of being hit right at people.  One of the walks was intentional, one more due to pitcher wildness than plate discipline, so that didn't tell me much. But after seeing some of the scouting reports about his lack of plate discipline, I'm starting to question that. I didn't see him swing at any bad pitches tonight, and he seemed to learn from his at bats. He seemed to go into his at bats with a clue about what he wanted to do. I was impressed by that.The results were hard-hit balls for outs, but he is clearly a thinking player.

I was also mightily impressed by Villalona's defense. He has good instincts to get a jump on the ball, made a nice dive play and a nice charge play, and had a couple good flips to the pitcher for the out, one of which avoided a disaster (due to a terrible angle that Alderson took to the base). He has soft hands and despite the fact that he looks like he could audition for Fat Albert! The Musical, has adept body control. Another thing that he has on defense is panache. Something Nick Noonan doesn't have.

I know, one game doesn't tell you anything. But as a hitter, Nick Noonan looked overmatched, at least against left-handed pitching. It's a mystery to me why Skeels would have him batting third. He swung at a lot of pitches, but I don't know if he swung at a strike all night. Breaking balls were a mystery to him. On defense, he has pretty good range, but he doesn't seem to me to have the soft hands that an infielder needs. I'm hoping he just had a bad night.

Thomas Neal & Roger Kieshnick hit mistakes. I don't know if they'll ever do any more than that. They didn't hit the ball hard, they got lucky. I think these guys will end up organizational soldiers, unless they significantly up their games. They had bad at bats but got good results.

Darren Ford's 2 for 4 was an illusion. Two softly-hit ground balls that would have been outs in a non-minor league world. But *Jeebus* can this guy play center field. Nice arm, too, except for that time he threw to the wrong base.

I won't make individual comments on the bullpen guys as they melted down, but none of them had any control tonight, other than Lively, so they got in bad counts and walked guys and gave up hits. It was almost like watching the mlb team!

I will poot forth on how Andy Skeels manages a game. I love it. Let your pitchers get into jams, then find out if they can get out of them. This is what the minor leagues should be about. So what if you lose the game. Now you know something about those guys and they know something about themselves.

 

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this is great that we are becoming a scouting by committee here. I hope everybody posts what they see from SJ team. Noonan not hitting lefties is maybe the biggest news. He was sure hitting righties last Friday.

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by foothillsfan on Apr 22, 2009 7:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

eyewitness report in another thread over there on your right

http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/4/22/848441/went-to-the-sj-4-21-giants-game

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by foothillsfan on Apr 22, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that thread looks familiar…

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by Useful_Idiot on Apr 22, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops! Looks like I scooped myself.

I guess I should have replied to that thread.

by da5id on Apr 22, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by victor frankenstein on Apr 22, 2009 5:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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by merkin on Apr 22, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the report

Much appreciated! Great info on Villalona, that’s really exciting to hear. Noonan was OK but no great shakes last year, so I was worried about him moving up. Villalona, on the other hand, as you noted, appeared to learn with each month he played in Augusta. And he’s been doing well so far in Advanced A-ball.

I was afraid about that regarding Kieschnick, but his play in Hawaii kind of advertised that he’s a work in progress with potential.

I’ve been seeing someone here touting Thomas Neal a bit, but from your report, it sounds like he’s not really all that good.

Alderson sounds like a pitcher already, instead of a thrower, the way you described him. That is exciting stuff to learn, cool.

Anything about Crawford? He’s been hitting a storm, does he look like he might be OK at SS? That could solve our post-Renteria SS issue.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Apr 23, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crawford, in two games I've seen:

At the plate he’s hit or miss. Either swings at bad balls at his feet or crushes ‘em. Yesterday’s game he struck out three times and looked bad in all three ABs. His HR was an opposite field job to left-center, a low liner that Walrusman and I thought was only going to be a double. I’m no scout but his swing looks to be nice and level and he keeps his balance well. Pitch selection is going to be key for him.

Again, it’s only two games but in the field looks like he’s got good range. Gets to balls I wouldn’t have thought possible.

Noonan. Nooooonan!

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the report. Any clue on where to find 2009 stats?

by daniel9 on Apr 23, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

www.sjgiants.com

Just go to www.sjgiants.com and click on team, then stats. Then click on 2008 stats, which are really 2009 stats. Or for individual players, go to www.milb.com and enter the player’s surname. Even better, go to www.minorleaguesplits.com and enter the player’s surname. Or best yet, go to all three sites.

by sharksrog on Apr 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the sjgiants site did confuse me.

by daniel9 on Apr 24, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Timmy Two

Was Tim Alderson using his change up much, and was he getting it over? I think that will be a key pitch in helping him neutralize lefty hitters, in particular.

Tim’s fastball is rather ordinary, as you mentioned, but isn’t his curve special? And he has good enough control of it that he can use it a third of the time or more.

by sharksrog on Apr 23, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

AnVil

Angel Villalona ’s plate discipline seems much better than last season. He has struck out only 7 times in 48 bats compared to 121 times in 468 at bats at Augusta last season. Angel has cut his strikeout rate nearly in half.

He has also nearly doubled his walk rate. Three walks aren’t many, but they represent improvement over his 18 walks last last year. AnVil was hit by 16 pitches last season, but none so far this year. He seems to have closed up his stance, which may have him stepping into the ball less, allowing him to better avoid being hit.

It’s still quite early, but one negative sign I see is that Angel’s fly ball rate is down from last season, dropping from 37.5% to 28.6%. A lower fly ball rate likely means fewer home runs in the long run. On the other hand, AnVil has been more of a ground ball hitter than a fly ball hitter since being about even in his rookie season of 2007.

More ground balls might not be a bad thing for Angel, but the higher rate probably will make him a big (no pun) candidate for double plays. That said, AnVil increased only from 6 to 8 gdp’s last season even though his at bats nearly doubled. And thus far in 2009, he has yet to ground into a single double play. No word on whether he has grounded into a double single play.

by sharksrog on Apr 23, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nooner

Indeed Nick Noonan has struggled against southpaws this season (.610 OPS), much as he did in his rookie season of 2007. Last year at Augusta, he hit southpaws nearly as well as righties.

What is killing Nick this year is his 18 strikeouts in 50 at bats. He has already walked 5 times in 50 at bats, which represents a significant improvement over his 23 walks in 499 trips last year, but his strikeout rate has nearly doubled.

While Nick’s .300 batting average compares favorably with his .310 as a rookie and .279 last season, his .433 BABIP is bound to drop considerably, meaning if he doesn’t cut down considerably on his strikeouts, he batting average is likely to plummet.

I’m guessing he will indeed improve his strikeout rate, since he is considered to be a smart player and he does have a nice-looking swing. But I would say that Nick’s stats to date (.859 OPS) are at least a minor illusion.

by sharksrog on Apr 23, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Question:

Always wondered why strikeouts were compared against ABs rather than PAs. The player could have struckout during that AB rather he walked.

So if a player had 100 PA and walked 9 times and struck out 15 times would think it should show that the player struckout 15 times in 100 chances than 91 chances.

by wilriv21 on Apr 23, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

It makes no sense, and it’s clearly biased against hitters who walk a lot. I mean, two batters get 100 PA’s, and both strikeout 20 times. The second one also walks 20 times. The first batter now has a 20/100 K/AB, or a 20% K%, while the second one has a 20/80 K/AB, or a 25% K%. Why punish a guy for walking?

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by Cookyman on Apr 23, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because stat sheets don’t have a seperate category for PAs.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 23, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This

You, Cookyman and wilriv21 are all on the money here. Another even more detailed way to look at the situation if it were more readily available would be to look at strikeouts per 100 pitches. Pitchers are occasionally listed that way, and it would be meaningful for batters, as well.

Likewise, at bats per strikeout, ratio of walks to strikeouts, and ratio of strikeouts to home runs can be meaningful, as well. If a player strikes out a lot, particularly if he hits few home runs, he batting average will be limited by the bounds of BABIP. If a player strikes out a lot and doesn’t walk much, his OBP will be severally limited by reality.

by sharksrog on Apr 24, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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