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This is one of stupidest paragraphs I’ve read:

Vin Scully, the peerless announcer for the Los Angeles Dodgers, reckons that Sandy Koufax threw more than 200 pitches to win the last game played at the L.A. Coliseum in 1961. Koufax went on to compile three seasons of 300-plus innings, three with at least 20 complete games and three with at least 300 strikeouts, while leading the National League in ERA in each of his last five seasons.

Yeah, and then his career tragically ended at age 30 because of arm injuries. Really, this is such a terrible argument - hey remember that pitcher who’s famous for retiring in the middle of his peak, because his arm hurt so much, he couldn’t throw anymore? Now that’s how you handle a pitcher!

That’s when I stopped reading.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Apr 2, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BUT HE PLAYED THE GAME RIGHT!

/throws 900 pitches in a game

by xanthan on Apr 2, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/throws 900 pitches in an inning

Become a real Jenkinsite

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

by baetown415 on Apr 2, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops
/throws 900 pitches in a game an inning

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

by baetown415 on Apr 2, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/throws 900 pitches in a game

Bruce Jenkins just came in his pants.

Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly

by jcb9 on Apr 2, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where’s Bruce Jenkin’s Boner when you need him?

by xanthan on Apr 2, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so so gross

Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou. "He has some bat speed and the ball comes off the bat pretty well" - K.Law.

by BrianBokake on Apr 2, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jenkins didn’t want to say it in his column, but he wrote on his blog that Koufax’s injury had nothing to do with the amount of pitches he threw. He said it was because he was a Jew and he actually hurt his arm counting his money. I wish I was computer intelligent enough to provide a link, but I guess you’re just going to have to take my word for it.

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by rxmeister on Apr 3, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ol’ Vin Scully reckons he threw more than 200 pitches and that’s good enough for me.

by chilibean_3 on Apr 2, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had the same reaction to that part, so I went and checked it out. Based on the box score from Retrosheet, and using a rough pitch count estimator developed by tangotiger, I came up with ~194 pitches. So, Scully’s 200 number is probably close enough, surprisingly. This was a game where Koufax pitched 13 innings with 15 K’s and 3 BB’s.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

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by marcello on Apr 2, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, bb-ref says Koufax really did throw 205 pitches in that game.

by Bruce Jenkins's Boner on Apr 2, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops, wrong browser.

by Bruce Jenkins's Boner on Apr 2, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Jenkins wouldnever use bb-ref.

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by jcb9 on Apr 2, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His boner is very up on the Internet.

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by groug on Apr 2, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should have looked there. I assumed retrosheet would have the number and when it didn’t, I just used the estimator. Regardless, the system works!

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Apr 2, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, apparently the Dodgers used to keep track of pitch counts for a little while in the 60s.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Apr 2, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s done this before, he was talking about Krukow and Valenzuela as examples of pitchers who both threw a lot of pitches when they were young… and then got injured! Great argument, Brucey!!!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Apr 2, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN should hire me.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Apr 2, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but do you want to live in Bristol, Conn??

by SFGuy on Apr 2, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not particularly

But this is the internet age, I can work from home.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Apr 2, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least he will be without a job soon

Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?

by haverecords on Apr 2, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know I should be sad about the death of the newspaper industry, but it’s kind of hard when I hate 90% of the writes I’ve read.

..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.

by Cookyman on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The newspapers kind of brought it on themselves. The paper media was always going to get screwed, but the news"paper" companies (like the Chronicle) could have done a hell of a lot of things to continue to make their business perfectly viable. They set themselves up for failure by keeping so many eggs in the physical paper for so long.

Or, I mean, while newspapers were always kind of doomed, the newspaper industry could have remained awfully successful with a little foresight and a small amount of business sense.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Apr 2, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it any surprise their writers are also stuck in the past?

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Apr 2, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. Not really. Newspapers have spent a lot of time and energy on adjusting to the Internet. Our work is read by more people than ever before for the most part.

But no one’s figured out how to make money — at least for news on the Internet. It’s not for lack of trying, I can assure you of that.

by Dan from NM on Apr 2, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I stand corrected. It’s just that I haven’t really seen anything that looks like a sincere attempt. From my standpoint as a layperson, I see a few subscription services for online papers, plenty of journalists putting together free blogs (like Maiocco or Kawakami (not in the same class, mind you)), and a LOT of paper pushing.

It just doesn’t look from the outside like much is being done. From the outside, it looks like an old-fashioned business clinging to its old-fashionedness.

Naturally, though, I don’t know about much of the behind the scenes stuff. I believe you when you say it, though, and I won’t make the same mistake with that presumption again.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Apr 2, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry. I’m just cranky. There are certainly a lot of old-fashioned editors trying to make old-fashioned notions work. And, yes, it is embarrassing.

But a lot of us are trying, and we’re failing, too.

by Dan from NM on Apr 2, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still enjoy reading the sports section every morning with a bowl of cocoa pebbles. Forget the internets

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008

by Useful_Idiot on Apr 2, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then the keyboard gets all dirty. Can’t have that

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008

by Useful_Idiot on Apr 3, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

where's FJM when you need them?

You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl

by Viliphied on Apr 2, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

writing about giant bras i believe

COME ON ALREADY GIANTS BRAS!!!

"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."

by i did my job on Apr 2, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When he started talking about Joe McGinnity’s “astonishing” 434 innings pitched in 1903 I started thinking “Why doesn’t he heap scorn on Koufax and Drysdale and Gibson for only throwing around 300?”

For that matter, there were guys who used to throw more than 500 innings in a season. Why isn’t that the standard?

Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.

by thehavenot on Apr 2, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There’s only a certain number of bullets in each arm; could be two seasons’ worth, could be 20 years.

So let’s just shoot them all, regardless of context. Yeeeee-haw!

/shoots six-gun up in the air several times

by Grant on Apr 3, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Grant, you are missing his logic here. What he is trying to say is once he worn out his right arm we can convert him to a lefty thus doubling Timmy self life. I heard RJ has started to begin pitching with his right hand to prolong his career into his 60’s.

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on Apr 3, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That comment is loaded with double entendre.

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Nothing matters , and what if it did?

by victor frankenstein on Apr 3, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

codicleo said
- Begin rant -
Just read Jenkins’ article from a few days ago. He quite possibly writes the most inane, curmudgeonly old-skool babble this side of the Mississippi. And his insipid romanticizing of the baseball of yore (read: 1900 – 1990) at the expense of baseball today is a pathetically misguided attempt to provide substance to his baseless and simplistic arguments.
As many already know, Brucie has a hardon for players who throw 200 pitches a start. Unfortunately for BJ, all of those guys are deceased or retired. Last year he wrote a goddamn 5000-word tome (undoubtedly what he considers his magnum opus) on the pussification of the sport of baseball, given we now limit our pitchers to, oh, say, 100-120 pitches a start. And today he added an addendum to his oeuvre of elephant-shit articles. To wit:
“Keep in mind the essence of my argument: There’s no way we’ll go back in time, with pitchers throwing both ends of a doubleheader or completing 30 games in a season. But the game hasn’t changed that much. It’s still the same baseball and the same human arm. There’s only a certain number of bullets in each arm; could be two seasons’ worth, could be 20 years.”
What the fuck? Only so many bullets? Hell, why stretch Lincecum out so his “bullets” last 20 years when the Giants can just abuse him and have his career end after 6? Sounds awesome!
But here’s the best part of Bruce’s recent article: he cites numerous players from the halcyon days of baseball who threw insane numbers of innings and pitches, including Sandy Koufax. Yes, the same Sandy Koufax that retired at 30. The same Sandy Koufax whose sudden retirement was (and still is) a baseball tragedy.
I posit three arguments to Bruce’s psychobabble:
1) Isn’t it quite possible that the average pitcher throws harder now than in the 1920s, or, say, the 1960s? And isn’t it quite possible that throwing harder is greater wear and tear on a shoulder? There is no solid empirical evidence to back this up (unless someone magically invented a radar gun in Christy Mathewson’s day), but I think you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who would argue that the average player today is not better than players way back when. People train their whole lives to make the majors. Companies are devoted to making the latest and greatest equipment. And the talent pool is constantly growing.
2) Pitchers are worth more money. Back in the day, owners literally owned baseball players. And they could pay them whatever they wanted. Today asshats like Carl Pavano can get 4 year/$40 million contracts. It’s not worth risking a pitcher’s health by stretching him out and praying he has the right genetic makeup.
3) Fuck you Bruce.
- End Rant -

by Natto on Apr 4, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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