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A good draft this coming June could conceivably vault the Giants to the #3 rank next year since some of the Rays and A's talent could graduate to the majors. Neukom has expressly stated the organization will focus on homegrown talent so this has to make Sabean look a bit better.

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Then I hope the guys we acquire are lowly-regarded when we draft them, but then go on to wild success after Sabean is canned.

by rotorueter on Apr 2, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

this

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Apr 2, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

meant as reply to RR.

fail.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Apr 2, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's ok

You’re getting back into the swing of things. This is your spring training too. You’re just a bit rusty, nothing a few posts can’t fix.

/generic spring training quote

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Apr 2, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

BEST TYPING SHAPE OF HIS LIFE!

by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 2, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

HE’S ADDED OUNCES OF MUSCLES TO HIS FINGERS

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Apr 2, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

HE MUST BE USING PEDS.

It's my blarg! Quick Pitch

by can of corn on Apr 2, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL MCCOVEN R OLD.

Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly

by jcb9 on Apr 2, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come with in reach of my cane and say that.

R. Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.

by daveinexile on Apr 2, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha! You didn’t hear me, gramps? LOL MCCOVEN R -

/whap across bridge of nose

Ow. Son of a -

/poke in eye

OK, OK!

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by leftymalo on Apr 2, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is interesting that no one else in the division is ranked higher than 20th.

by Lars The Wanderer on Apr 2, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I always had the feeling that the DBacks organization was good given the amount of young talent on the ML roster. But I guess those guys have already graduated and don’t count.

by MonkeyChow on Apr 2, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

They gave up a ton of talent for Haren too.

by Fresburg on Apr 2, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh right. Good call.

by MonkeyChow on Apr 2, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prospect hounds are really down on the Dodgers for giving up two prospects for Casey Blake.

by rotorueter on Apr 2, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I smiled when Carlos Santana was ranked ahead of LaPorta by BA. Blake returned a better main prospect than Sabathia.

by MonkeyChow on Apr 2, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Will just a good draft save him? I would think a good draft would have more to do with his staff and scouts than him.

I’d hope that he’d be judged more on his free agent signings, the team’s performance this year, and his ability to improve the team with a mid-season trade.

by Fresburg on Apr 2, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

I’m also surprised the Braves aren’t higher.

by Fresburg on Apr 2, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

I think not just the draft but what he does (and does not do) by the trade line will be huge.

First the first time in several years Sabean has some pieces that other teams might want that would not crippling tothe team in the long term if they move them. (I place Molina, Winn, Lewis and possibly Sanchez and Nate into this category.) Which of these he moves and what he gets back will be extremely telling not just on what his governing mind set it but the state of the franchises player evaluation skills.

R. Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.

by daveinexile on Apr 2, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I know I have been occasionally known to set the fox loose in the hen house just to watch the fur, feathers & crap fly but consider…

What if in the next 12-16 weeks the Tigers decide they need to shed payroll and offer say Cabrera ( and over $65M due on his contract) but Lewis or Sanchez is part of the price? Or The Blue Jays decide they need out from under the $107M they owe Vernon Wells but Lewis or Sanchez is part of the price? Are you going to tell me that the team should turn away just because Lewis or Sanchez is mentioned?

R. Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.

by daveinexile on Apr 2, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t Cabrera weigh like 650 lbs?

by SFGuy on Apr 2, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well we need something to counter act the gravitational pull of The Big Head.

R. Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.

by daveinexile on Apr 3, 2009 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

We’d prolly have to take on Willis in the MCab deal, and I’m not really a fan of Wells with his contract.

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Apr 2, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Valid points. I didn’t spend a lot of time thinking of possible candidates with large commitments, under 30 and currently on teams with say over $100M payroll but may very well be out of a playoff race by July. IF I had maybe Rios gets mentioned. But any ways you get my drift, for the right young talent Lewis or Sanchez would be on the table.

R. Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.

by daveinexile on Apr 3, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think

I’m going to tell you that the team should turn away just because Lewis or Sanchez is mentioned. At least for Wells, that is. Cabrera definitely yes, but that wouldn’t happen in even the craziest of acid trips.

by boonitez on Apr 2, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

But you are telling me the team should turn away because of the player on coming in more than the player going out and that is my point.

Wells and Cabrara were names quickly out of my nether regions that are relitively young, owed a lot of money and are currently on teams paying over $100M that could be out fo th play off by July.

As an aside I do think this is the year MLB sees a trade similar to the McGriff goes to the Braves. It probably won’t benefit the Giants (Hey we are the Giants after all) but I think conditions are such that it is going to happen.

R. Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.

by daveinexile on Apr 3, 2009 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whoever the Giants pick in the first round, it’s safe to say there will be a freakout about it among the McCoven.

Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly

by jcb9 on Apr 2, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

True

If we somehow ended up with Strasburg:

ANOTHER PITCHER SABEAN??!?

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Apr 2, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

SHIT THAT'S FUCK

I almost typoed that as “HIT THAT FUCK,” which is good/appropriate too.

Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis

by jcb9 on Apr 2, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not just a pitcher – imagine the quickness of those throws from center field.

Note To Cookyman: I’m suggesting Strasburg also does time in center field.

NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?

by victor frankenstein on Apr 3, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Believe he will toe the warning track in the city.

Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis

by jcb9 on Apr 3, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd complain

Boras wants $50 million for the kid? What a joke. Let the Nats take him… Nolan Ryan couldn’t save them anyway

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008

by Useful_Idiot on Apr 2, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s not going to get $50 million. He’s also, most likely, MLB ready right now so the ROI is instant.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Apr 2, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Posey got like a third of his pre-draft demand.

Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Adopted Giant: Fred "Ruthless Aggression" Lewis

by jcb9 on Apr 2, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s because he fell to the fifth pick. If he goes 1 overall to Washington, he’ll get close to his demand. The Nats are going to be under tremendous pressure when the draft rolls around

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008

by Useful_Idiot on Apr 2, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah

It doesn’t work like that. Posey still got the most money out of everyone in the draft, pre Boras shenanigans. It’s just basic bargaining. Start higher (or lower depending on which side you’re on) than you want and then “settle”.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Apr 2, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell Boras doesn’t think there is a recession in the world.

by SFGuy on Apr 2, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s no reason for him to think there is. His clients didn’t take pay cuts this year.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Apr 2, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

what do you mean he got the most money “pre-Boras shenanigans”? He got more money even before he got money?

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008

by Useful_Idiot on Apr 2, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alveraz, backed out of his contract after Posey signed wanting more money, and he got it

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on Apr 3, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

/throws self down stairs

by Natto on Apr 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

and your point is?

R. Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.

by daveinexile on Apr 2, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

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