Giants release Dave Roberts
From Baggs. Surprising that it came this early.
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Rejoice, comrades!
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
by Zetsuboushita on Mar 5, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is this real or a RickRoll. I cant tel because extrabaggs won’t open on my IE, firefox handles it fine but that does not exist at work.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 5, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
I’m guessing they let him go this early so he can find a role on another team. Why drag it out & leave the guy hanging.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Mar 5, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Probably to prevent the D’gers from trading Juan Pierre!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 5, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is Timmy gonna buy his cars from now?
by kimmyg on Mar 5, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
According to Baggerly:
I have to believe it’s pretty much a guarantee Velez makes the team now.
We have Velez in the outfield now for lots of fun!
by paboperfecto on Mar 5, 2009 11:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
groug
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Mar 5, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
blerg
Bring me the head of Barry Zito!
by elGuapo on Mar 5, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
clank
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Mar 5, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thud
OK if I adopt Randy Johnson?
"What kind of a stupid question is that?"
by victor frankenstein on Mar 5, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cynical dissonance?
Wait, is this worse than keeping Dave Roberts, i.e. throwing good playing time after bad signings? At least as a pinch runner Velez is a base stealing ma sheen. Besides I though we are about playing young potential over veteran grit, so this is better of two unpalatable choices. Velez has raw talent that can’t be taught, and maybe just maybe-can-learn his way out of his shortcomings (r-orz/plate discipline). And maybe he’s just too damn dumb. Much more fun to watch though, if you can handle the pain!
Please Jesus, don't let us be like the Cubs.
by SimpleJaquez on Mar 6, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Between base stealing machines, I think I’ll take the one that doesn’t get picked off all of the time.
Still, getting rid of Roberts is a good thing.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Mar 7, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There must a new aditive with surpriseing side effects in my coffee.
Best of Luck to Mr. Roberts.
I am amazing glad the front office didn’t keep him around leaving him in situation where the fans get angrier and angrier as Rock Head played him more and more trying to audition him another team. $6M isn’t complete chump change and it probably required swallowing a big chunk of ego at the same time. Good job Sabean. I continue to applaud our new Alien Over Lord.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 11:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I be with you
the team can either (a) pay X million dollars and have a roster spot occupied by a brokedown savvy veteran, or (b) pay X million dollars and liberate someone (Bowker, Ish, whoever’s oldest) from Fresno to see what they can do. I’ve not understood the difficulty of that analysis with the kinds of guys (Edgardo, Durham, etc.) that they’ve had to decide about the last few years.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
by natteringnabob on Mar 5, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for clarity's sake
We paid $18.5 million for approximately:
500 ABs
125 Hits
60 BBs
.250/.335/.335
35 SB
Ouch.
Hector Sanchez: learning to play defense from older brother Jackson Williams.
by tedfordfan on Mar 5, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
that is a brutal single season
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
by TexasRanger on Mar 5, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For farther clarification.
This is the only position player Vet with more then 3 -4 months left on his contract that Sabean has DFAed that I can remember. This is a huge shift in policy.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at it this way.
We didn’t pay $45 million for worse numbers in more at-bats.
Juan Pierre is a Dodger for three more years. Praise Jebus.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Mar 5, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Andruw Jones? The Giants were interested in him, too.
by SFGuy on Mar 5, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Move
Best of luck, Dave, on your next team.
This might be wishful thinking on my part, but if the Giants are now willing to eat the last $6.5 million on Dave Roberts’ contract, might they be willing to eat the last [enter number betwen zero and $101.5 million] of Barry Zito’s contract?
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
by Kitspool on Mar 5, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let’s keep those bites manageable. Let’s also keep a weather eye on our current center fielder.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Binge and purge?
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
by Kitspool on Mar 5, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Way more preferable to Binge and Retain.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or retaining purgings
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.
by BrianBokake on Mar 5, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You speak the turth.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh, No.
Zito is still useful in his role. I was very much against the signing, but I think his role this season as a No.4 will help him this year to have a bounce back season. While it definitely wont be worth the money we are paying him, he can still be worth 10-14 wins a season and eat 7 innings in a game.
Roberts was just not doing anything remotely worthy of a contract. DFA’ing him was worth it.
if we DFA Zito, we would be on the hook for an enormous contract and then go have to pay someone to replace him to do basically what he would have done.
ducks from incoming stones
by scout6 on Mar 5, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Darn your logic and inconvenient Truths.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what makes you think Zito can eat 7 innings a game. He’s pitched 7+ innings 18 times in the last two seasons over 55 starts. Only 7 times in 2008. So sure, one out of every three times he’ll eat 7 innings based on the last two years. Given his continual decline, we might be looking at a handful of 7 inning starts this year.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 5, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beat me by a blink!
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Mar 5, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THIS!!
I'm missing Omar and all his "Dreamy-ness".
by PacBellBoozer on Mar 5, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Zito rights himself this season, like I and hopefully others hope he will, he can be an innings eater.
Inversely, if hes losing 20-3, why not leave him in? (More likely choice)
by scout6 on Mar 5, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I grow 10 inches taller I might have a career in the NBA!
by xanthan on Mar 5, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the more important question is with Yabu also being gone, who will be Zito’s designated third inning reliever?
Brian Sabean's our GM: Not exactly the "silver bullet that's going to save the day"
by rxmeister on Mar 5, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear, if I was faster, none of you would even know who Usain Bolt is.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 5, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the FULL Gatorade commercial with him, Kevin Garnett, Jeter, among a few others?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_jJoGDG4UE
Usain Bolt’s ego is forced to jump off a boat so it doesn’t sink…soo hilarious!!
I'm missing Omar and all his "Dreamy-ness".
by PacBellBoozer on Mar 5, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to have to check that out when I get home from work.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 5, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
same here
can’t turn it up loud enough to enjoy. looks hilarious though
by fwoty oz on Mar 5, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not as hilarious as that damned poodle.
OK if I adopt Randy Johnson?
"What kind of a stupid question is that?"
by victor frankenstein on Mar 5, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If a cow had balls, she’d be a bull.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Mar 5, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Inversely, if hes losing 20-3, why not leave him in? (More likely choice)
Because that would mindfuck all us sabernerds when we looked at the Giants pythag.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 5, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
um…no matter how well he “rights himself”, he’s NEVER going to eat up 7 innings per start.
Never has done it, never will do it. This dude isn’t Tom Glavine, he’s a lanky lefty who’s the furthest thing from consistent.
I'm missing Omar and all his "Dreamy-ness".
by PacBellBoozer on Mar 5, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or as coach Mike would say
Can’t pitch 7 innings, can’t play with him, can’t live with him, don’t want him…
Proud father of Eric Surkamp!!!
by The Thrill on Mar 5, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How often does Zito "eat" seven innings in a game?
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Mar 5, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey look over there!
I believe when Zito was winning games more often (you know, his first 3 years with the A’s) he was an innings gobbler. Of course, no stats on hand to back that up, that was just my perception of him.
by scout6 on Mar 5, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure, but he was also a pretty good pitcher back then. Also, while in Oakland, he had the benefit of some great defenses, a great home park, and some good luck. Sadly, he’s basically been in decline, peripherals wise, since his 2nd season in the bigs. I just don’t see any reason why that would suddenly change. If it does, I’ll be ecstatic, but you’re basically betting on 00.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 5, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats...we don't need to stinking stats!!
First 4 years with the A’s…
6.5 (innings/start)
6.1 (innings/start)
6.5 (innings/start)
6.6 (innings/start)
Hardly an innings gobbler…Even by Cy Young standards
I'm missing Omar and all his "Dreamy-ness".
by PacBellBoozer on Mar 5, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, take that me.
The proof is in the pidding
by scout6 on Mar 5, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love pidding!
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
by capnk on Mar 5, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s nowhere near as good as pue. Or caje for that matter.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
by S.F. Giangst on Mar 5, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ducks from incoming stones
Writes something in the dirt, stands in front of you.
by shanghaijim on Mar 5, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ducks from incoming stones
Ducks come from eggs, silly.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
by thehavenot on Mar 7, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm conflicted.
From a baseball standpoint, I’m ecstatic. From a people standpoint, I’m sad because he’s a damn good person.
Barry Zito - Mildly half-OK! Sometimes.
by Revolution1 on Mar 5, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was getting so goddamn tired of people saying that. The only person on our team who stole more bases than he usually could before was Randy Winn.
by boonitez on Mar 5, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and J.T. Snow can teach everybody how to play 1B
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 5, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and Bengie will teach Pablo how to play catcher, R.J. will teach Matt Cain how to throw strikes, Will Clark will teach the kids how to mash, and Shawn Dunston will teach everyone how to field at every position. And hopefully Joel Zumaya doesn’t teach anyone how to play Guitar Hero.
by boonitez on Mar 5, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's all this team has been missing
some teachers
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 5, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record, Pablo can play catcher. I know that wasn’t the point, but yeah.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 5, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s a pretty open question whether or not Pablo can be an everyday catcher in MLB.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 6, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t be at least an average catcher with an above average arm.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 6, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of reasons why a lot of people couldn’t be an average MLB catcher, it’s really not an easy thing to do. Baseball America wrote a very good piece exploring the idea and made the point that he would be the heaviest regular catcher in MLB history.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 6, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but all the reasons he might not be able to (basically his size and mobility) haven’t affected his actual ability to do it. At some point people need to just accept that not everyone is going to fit the generic mold. Everything I read in that article seems to support the fact that he can catch, until it’s proven that he can’t.
Over the last couple of weeks, we’ve seen that Sandoval has ranked as one of the game’s best at erasing base stealers the last two seasons and only committed nine passed balls per 120 games in 2008.
Before 6-foot-4 Cal Ripken Jr., there were only a handful of shortstops in baseball history who were at least 6-foot-3. Since then, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Troy Tulowitzki and Hanley Ramirez have come along.
Scouts say Sandoval has trouble physically crouching down low enough to get into proper catching position, and his size limits his agility. Yet so far he seems to have been able keep the ball in front of him. Was it the pitching staff in high Class A San Jose making him look good? Sandoval and Jackson Williams each caught around 50 games for San Jose, yet Williams committed 11 passed balls compared to Sandoval’s four. That’s not a very good way to isolate the effect of the pitching staff, but it’s something.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 6, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Body Bias!
I would love to see him get a shot at catching, I don’t think he could do it (just like I don’t think he could play 3B) but he might as well get a shot at every position before he ultimately becomes a 1B.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 6, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Body Bias! x2
He’s too short for 1B!
But seriously, I just want him to prove that he can’t play catcher before it’s written off because the positional adjustment from catcher to wherever else he ends up is worth anywhere from 1-3 wins a year. Even a subpar defensive catcher is better than an average 1B.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 6, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see that too
I actually think there is a decent chance of Molina being traded around the deadline. There are so many contending teams that might wind up in desperate need of a Catcher (Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, etc.) that I think Molina could wind up having a lot of value.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 6, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m actually somewhat more concerned with what all that weight would do to his knees if he had to crouch behind the plate every day…
BODY BIAS!!1
I only have a signature because I recognize everyone else by their sigs, not their usernames..
by lmaozedong on Mar 11, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are a lot of people, that doesn’t mean they have a spot on a major league roster.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.
by BrianBokake on Mar 5, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner (unless someone tells me he's already been adopted)
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 5, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's just as Hilary Clinton predicted!
“The sky will open…the light will come down…celestial choirs will be singing…”
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Mar 5, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
from MLB Trade Rumors
Red Sox reunion?!
MAKE IT HAPPEN THEO!
Posted by: Dr. Van Nostrand
by Natto on Mar 5, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
REDSAWX BRASS?
Fixed it
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Mar 5, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
REDSAWX BRAS?
Fixed.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner (unless someone tells me he's already been adopted)
by walkoff baltimore chop on Mar 5, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
REDSAWX BRAS?
Baron, don’t look!
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 5, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kramer?
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Mar 5, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what would happen next?
cotton Sawx jerseys?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 5, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Timing?
I don’t disagree with the decision, but Juggernate just had an MRI that revealed a bulging disk in his back, Lil’ Fred has missed his timetable for full recovery, and Velez has stone hands. So I guess I am wondering about the timing. On a related note: I just faced Mecca and prayed for failure.
''I love this cornbread so much, I want to take it behind a middle school, and get it pregnant.''
- Fred Lewis?
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Mar 5, 2009 12:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There’s plenty of scrubs to play OF during spring. And Bowker.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 5, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An hopefully the A’s get bored at looking at Copeland so there is another possible cheap pain sponge. And that is no one else of intrest hits the wires.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about Bowker. Thanks.
''I love this cornbread so much, I want to take it behind a middle school, and get it pregnant.''
- Fred Lewis?
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Mar 5, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now for the inevitable...
I can’t stop thinking about Bowkermania.
''I love this cornbread so much, I want to take it behind a middle school, and get it pregnant.''
- Fred Lewis?
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Mar 5, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What-cha gonna do brother, when Bowkermania runs wild on you!!
I'm missing Omar and all his "Dreamy-ness".
by PacBellBoozer on Mar 5, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t….know….how to feel….about this picture….
by xanthan on Mar 5, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s like DK mode…
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
by capnk on Mar 5, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OLD!
though I dig the Goldeneye reference
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Mar 5, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The ref in the back looks shocked that Bowker is tearing his shirt off!
Proud father of Eric Surkamp!!!
by The Thrill on Mar 5, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yayyyy!!!!
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.
by BrianBokake on Mar 5, 2009 12:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ZOMG!
great news
Baseball is a lot like life. The line drives are caught, the squibbles go for base hits. It's an unfair game. -Rod Kanehl
by j14 on Mar 5, 2009 12:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Who is going to steal AB’s from young promising outfielders now tho?
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
by PAWarrior on Mar 5, 2009 12:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Andres Torres?
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Mar 5, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Andres Torres Gallaraga?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 5, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see what is so great about this
The money is a sunk cost so that shouldn’t have been a consideration, but I never feared that Roberts would take playing time from Lewis and Schierholtz (I know that puts me in the minority amongst all the “Bochy loves vets” hysteria around here). I would rather have Roberts be the 5th OF and have Velez and Bowker playing every day in AAA (although I don’t care as much about Velez because I think he has very little upside). If they did this as a favor to Roberts because it was obvious that he had no role with this team, then I am ok with that, but I don’t see a huge upside for the current roster.
I am a lot happier about this part of the article:
Regarding Yabu, Sabean sad he would look to trade the 40-year-old long man.
"Again, in his case, age is a factor," said Sabean, who wants to give an honest shot to Rule 5 draftee Luis Perdomo.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 5, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Before he got hurt...
…Roberts was the starting LF for 5 of the Giants’ first 7 games last year.
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Mar 5, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Fred Lewis was a living, breathing question mark, barely clinging to prospect status. Your point?
It’s not like Roberts became the starter again after he came back from injury.
by Viliphied on Mar 6, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Roberts was a living breathing exclamation point at the end of the sentence “Dave Roberts is a nice guy but not an everyday MLB left fielder!” My point is that “Bochy loves vets” is not just “hysteria”.
Oh, and then there’s this:
Bochy was enraged during a trip to Washington, just before the MLB All-Star break, when asked by a front-office official why he was continuing to play Castilla. Bochy relayed that Castilla was his best option and he would continue to play him. If they didn’t like it, Bochy said, “Get rid of me or get rid of Vinny. Your choice.”
Castilla was released 10 days later.
The idea that Bochy loves vets is about as hysterical as heliocentrism.
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Mar 6, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THE EARTH DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THE SUN*
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- they revolve around their mutual center of mass
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Mar 6, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Revolve”, yes. But the Earth “orbits” the sun based on the fact that the center of mass of the two-body system actually lies inside the Sun.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
by S.F. Giangst on Mar 6, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you’re right, how could he play Vinny Castilla when he had such great and promising young players on the bench? Anybody who refuses to play the likes of Geoff Blum, Mark Bellhorn, Todd Walker, Russel Branyan, and Justin Leone in favor of Vinny Castilla clearly has a raging hard on to play vets.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 6, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vinny Castilla was hitting .232/.260/.319.
It doesn’t fucking matter who’s on your bench; you don’t play that guy.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Mar 6, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so who do you play?
the rules require you to play somebody at 3B
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 6, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would play:
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Mar 6, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blum
Branyan
Bellhorn
Leone
Walker
Mike Schmidt
Frank Robinson
Roberto Clemente (who I am well aware was an outfielder)
Neifi Perez
A senior out of the nearest high school
Vinny Castilla
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Mar 6, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again I would like to point out the shift in policy here that it took to do this move. I can’t think of a single solitary position player veteran that Sabean has released before June in his final contract year. Not a one. This is exactly the type of move a rebuilding front office needs to be able and willing to do. Tell now we have had not any evidence that they could or would do it. Now we do.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so this is paving the way for a release of Zito?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 5, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pass that kool aid this way!
Zito in ’09 is way over stating it. But say it is 2011 and somehow all the big young arms in "A’ ball last year make it to the MLB level then we are getting in the neighborhood. What this does show is the front office believes you can have sunk costs with more then 3-4 months left on a contract. And the eating part of a contract (about 1/3rd in this case) not just theoretical.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Kline
last year in April
''I love this cornbread so much, I want to take it behind a middle school, and get it pregnant.''
- Fred Lewis?
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Mar 5, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
doh!
You said position player. My bad.
''I love this cornbread so much, I want to take it behind a middle school, and get it pregnant.''
- Fred Lewis?
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Mar 5, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s kind of a low standard for a “shift in policy,” isn’t it? How many position players in all of baseball ever get released a full year before their contract is up?
It’s good that he’s not waiting till midseason to embrace the inevitable, I guess, but it’s also a sign of how the contracts he’s doled out have gotten progressively worse.
by Evan on Mar 5, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not about how many position players in all of baseball.
It would be how many teams with several consecutive sub 500 years would wait this long? It is also is about do we really think it’s been almost 15 years since there has been a non veteran position player that was either past his pull date or just fit teams needs so poorly that front office didn’t try and made lemonade from a moldy lemons with him?
On the last question look how long Sweeny was held onto just a couple seasons ago. Lewis comes up rips the cover off the ball (granted it was vs the Rockies) and he didn’t start again for how long as the "show cased" Sweeny.
As for your point on contracts this move this bold print and underlines the shift even more. A part of the Roberts signing in the first place was the Giants’ had a banged up Bonds, Winn and Linden for near MLB O.F. talent. So the front office went for the security of a known quantity ( for the moment leave aside they ended up asking him to do things he hadn’t done well all career). Now the Giants have Lewis, a banged up CF, Winn (who should be gone next year) and a question mark in JuggerNate. This time however the front office opted not only to avoid the security of a known quantity they active moved away from it.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 6, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ben p said
Roberts always seemed like a great guy. My girlfriend took a photo with him at FanFest and he was really friendly.
Still, addition by subtraction on the field. This should now ensure that Aurilia is a mortal lock for the team. I’d like to see Phelps get a shot off the bench, though I understand he isn’t helping himself much lately at the plate.
So who’s the 5th OF now? Velez?
by Natto on Mar 5, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Natto
Sorry for starting the new post.
by ben p on Mar 5, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This proves that there is a God after all.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Mar 5, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what kind of god it is, and why it gave us dave in the first place, remains a mystery.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Mar 5, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yippie yie-kie-aee motherf*ckers!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 5, 2009 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What now?
Can I still wear my Roberts jersey to games?
by Orange Blood on Mar 5, 2009 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He was class act in my book. What was he suppose to do – refuse to play center when the manager wrote his name down?
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I don’t hate him for the deal he signed — anyone would have done the same. He did get a little bitchy last season when he was relegated to a bench job after Lewis’ breakout. That’s what get me about PROS like him and Matt Morris. Preach their clubhouse intangibles all you want, but the minute they start to struggle or lose their spot, they act like everyone else.
by xanthan on Mar 5, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They handle things given to them like pros. They handle things taken away from them the same way everyone else in the world does, like children.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 5, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember him complaining about being platooned or something. I was like, seriously? You’ve hit like a .500 OPS for your career against LHP.
by xanthan on Mar 5, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I vaguely remember the quote, and I don’t think in context it was really complaining. It was a bit more, Hey I’m a competitive guy, and I want to be starting, etc.
But perhaps my memory is faulty. Look up the offending quote, computer!
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
by Kitspool on Mar 5, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/presses ‘quotes’ button repeatedly
by lincypoo i wuv u on Mar 8, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you defending him against?
Has anybody talked about what a no-class jerk Roberts was? Seems to me everyone is pretty much saying he was a good guy.
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Mar 5, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am inferring that in my book it’s cool to wear ex players stuff to the yard if they were not jerks. To me Roberts was not a Jerk. With is struggles here there were plenty of chances for him to say and do stuff that would have made great newspaper print. To my knowledge only once did he say anything remotely uncool (Xanthan mentioned it above). I don’t consider that one time a big offense.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s cool to wear ex players stuff to the yard if they were not jerks.
So what’s your take on this guy then?
I'm missing Omar and all his "Dreamy-ness".
by PacBellBoozer on Mar 5, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Symbolic genius.
Obviously the tape was what was holding Schmidt’s arm together in ’06 and Zito is not worthy patch on Schmidt. Thus the game must have a lot of gritty gamer points.
Now can I have more of that kool aid please?
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Schmidt is just acting injured in LA just to screw the Dodgers and laugh all the way to the bank.
He always did bleed orange and black.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Mar 5, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The wrist bands scare me
Possibly a cutter.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Mar 5, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn’t you be if you were him?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 5, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he is a Giants fan, after all.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 6, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They sold those? And people bought them?
by chilibean_3 on Mar 5, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just assumed that Dave gave him one of his own.
Or, maybe it’s actually a Bip Roberts jersey.
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Mar 5, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
if it has Leon Roberts’ number on it. Original Mariner ftw!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
by natteringnabob on Mar 5, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
more from the Chron
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Mar 5, 2009 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So when do we waive Ramon Ortiz? I know its a minor league deal but that guy is worse than Roberts and I wouldn’t even want him to occupy roster spot in the minors.
Other than that farewell Dave Roberts. You seem like a good guy, but the next few abats you take against us, please strike out on 3 pitches.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Mar 5, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Now with Dave Rob gone does this help Guzmans chances?
They had him playing in Left a couple days ago and I know he has played alot of third and second, but what do you guys think of him making the team as an OF.
They are talking about having Nate, Velez and possibly Bowker as back up. I dont really see how bowker fits with Nate and Ishi both being lefties, so what about a righty power bat like guzman. Because unless Ishi just falls on his face I dont feel great with a good young power hitter sitting in AAA.
by kvdp12 on Mar 5, 2009 1:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Guzman really needs to play every day somewhere
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 5, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bye Dave!
You were likable but not a piece that this team needed!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Mar 5, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
theo2456 said
http://www.examiner.com/x-1053-San-Francisco-Giants-Examiner~y2009m3d5-Dave-Roberts-released-by-Giants
With one year still left on his contract, veteran outfielder Dave Roberts was released Thursday by the Giants.
Roberts, 36, is perhaps best known for “the steal” that helped launch the Boston Red Sox from a 0-3 deficit to eventual World Champions in 2004.
by Natto on Mar 5, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Mar 5, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
Subpoena Hank Aaron: Drag his butt before congress and let him state, under penalty of perjury, that he never took amphetamines.
by Sabertooth on Mar 5, 2009 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think I speak for everyone when I say:
“He stole that base once…”
Billy Ripken is not a fuck face
by Karlifornia on Mar 5, 2009 3:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why we did that?
Yes, his salary was a sunk cost. But was he really blocking anybody? No. Is it just so we can have Frandsen and Burriss and Velez on the roster? Or Bowker? Or was it just to free up a spot on the 40-man roster for… somebody? Torres?
Roberts is one of those guys that’s great to have on your ballclub until you actually have to use him. Not too sorry to see him go. But just dumping him without having a bigger plan in mind makes no sense.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
by S.F. Giangst on Mar 5, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
An open 40 man spot on a rebuilding team (defining "rebuilding team as a team without the talent level to have a Pythagorean win total of 88 or more games) is not worthless and especially not this time of year and for the next month or so. For example if that spot was open last week taking a flier on Marte (if the front office was so inclined) would be a pretty easy thing to do. If another team exposes a promising infielder (of even OF) from here on it would also be apply.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 5, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The hope, of course, would be that we were actually signing a F/A outfielder and needed a roster spot for him. Maybe a deal got done and they’re sitting on it for a day or so for whatever reason… nah.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
by S.F. Giangst on Mar 5, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MOAR VETRANZ
I only have a signature because I recognize everyone else by their sigs, not their usernames..
by lmaozedong on Mar 6, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s spring. I prefer to think they are going to Denker someone else right now.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 6, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4 catchers
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Mar 5, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We do need extra spots on the 40 man roster so that’s surely a consideration. Aurilia & Uribe are both likely to make the team & so they’ll need a couple of spots for them (and certainly at least one) There’s also the possibility of a reliever (Medders, Miller, etc) making the squad who’s not on the 40 man roster
Proud owner of the most boring Username! Alex Hinshaw: Now showing in a bullpen near you!
by GiantFan on Mar 5, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NOT SUCK!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Mar 5, 2009 6:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What I remember most about him:
And I know I’ve mentioned this many times…..
but when he hit Randy Winn in the face after one of Winn’s walk-off hits in 2007, I started busting up laughing.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Mar 5, 2009 6:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like this.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 5, 2009 7:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID
Her being , well , you. Just now. You said that.
OK if I adopt Randy Johnson?
"What kind of a stupid question is that?"
by victor frankenstein on Mar 5, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the KTVU 10 O’Clock News they had a lead-in about Dave Roberts’ release with his photo and DAVE’S NOT HERE as the blurb. I died laughing.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 5, 2009 11:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
McC’s first posthumous post. Love it. Good luck in the afterlife.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
by S.F. Giangst on Mar 6, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As if the last four season of Giants "baseball" aint already been killing the rest of us.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Mar 6, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We are all Pedro Feliz
We are all dead
We are all Pedro Feliz’s corpse
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 6, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Welease Wobewts!!!!(…although Cyrus the Assyrian Assassin isn’t much of an upgrade).
Please Jesus, don't let us be like the Cubs.
by SimpleJaquez on Mar 6, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
At a bar last night in Berkely
I saw this news scroll across the ticker. I literalliy pumped my fists and said “OHMYGOD IT’S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE”.
My 4 non-baseball-fan friends looked at me funny. I didn’t bother to explain.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Mar 6, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
this is what i saw...
Roberts’ ______________ is believed to be the largest the Giants have swallowed ____________ When general manager Brian Sabean was asked how hard that was to do, he said, "It’s tough _______ because this is what we do for a living, and I was honest with him. I told him we’re on _______ younger and healthier. Right now, that’s not on his _________
dirty birdies
[Brayen] of sabean, your semi- conscious potato trip across "to gold winches" democratic pavement will bring Communist pride to the orange and black democratic perfection. your [randay] of Johnson – spy for the Russian Mafia. warn yourselves they warn themselves! you will purchase smirnoff the vodka
by Headhunter Rollins on Mar 6, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhhhh
This “release” provided a “happy ending”
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Mar 16, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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