The 25-Man Roster...wait, what?
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 31, 2009 1:19 PM PDT
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I mean, wow. My thoughts in gray:
Priority #1 for the Giants: Carry six outfielders
When each of your starting outfielders has the ability to play center field – for just a few innings, even – it’s important to carry two extra center fielders, just in case. You know. In case. Make sure that one of the extra center fielders has nothing to offer but speed, as that way he doesn’t make the center fielder who offers only speed and defense redundant.
Priority #2 for the Giants: Rely on Bengie Molina even more than they have in the past.
We all know that out-of-shape, 34-year-old catchers are fantastic bets to stay fresh and healthy, so the only backup the Giants need is a 22-year-old who is learning a new position at the major league level, expected to be an everyday player, and who didn’t pick up catcher’s gear this spring. What, are the Giants going to get rid of a sixth-outfielder/seventh-infielder who can play several positions poorly? Just for a dedicated backup catcher? That would be crazy.
And my more relevant thought: Whatever. This roster shuffling either won’t make a difference, or it’s going to fail so spectacularly, the moves will all be reversed in a month. By then, either Velez or Torres will be sitting on five total at-bats, the Giants will have lost a game because they didn’t want to pinch-run for the slowest runner in baseball because he didn't have a backup, Burriss will be hitting .240 without an extra base-hit, and the Giants will think, gee, maybe we’ve misallocated our resources.
I can kind of understand if the Giants feel that Kevin Frandsen would be better served facing live pitching every day in Fresno. He did miss an entire year, so sitting on the bench isn’t going to do him a lot of good. And I can almost see ignoring the likelihood that Manny Burriss isn’t a major league hitter yet. I want Burriss to succeed in such a huge way – he’s homegrown, incredibly likable, and a successful Burriss would be a fun player to watch. But low-power, high-contact guys generally don’t succeed against major league pitching, especially if they were never able to coax a lot of walks against minor league pitching. I’ll pretend that’s not true, and root for Burriss to succeed.
I just don’t get how both Andres Torres and Eugenio Velez are both more valuable to the Giants than a dedicated backup catcher, especially when the lack of a designated backup means it’s less likely that the team will use either to pinch-run for Molina in the late innings. Sure, they could shuffle the infield around to put Sandoval behind the plate in the middle of a game, but for what? A sixth outfielder on a team that isn’t burdened with an Adam Dunn-like defensive liability? A second pinch-runner? A fourth second baseman? What’s the tactical advantage? I’d love to hear a logical explanation.
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OH MY GOD THIS IS STUPID.
Did they miss the parts where Bengie got totally burned out the last few years? I mean. And they haven’t even had Pablo playing catcher most of the Spring.
I mean, it probably won’t last too long, but still. WHAT.
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Also, in that fanshot, I came up with a theory that I thought made things make a little tiny bit more sense. Here, I’ll cut-n-paste:
Maybe it wasn’t Uribe who pushed Frandsen off the roster. It seems like the Giants had a man-crush on him all along, though goodness knows why. Maybe it’s Perdomo who screwed Frandsen over.
Why do I say this? Well, the Giants have been talking for some time about going with a six-man bullpen. But, going with the Baggs roster, they aren’t – he listed six guy, plus Yabu or (shudder) Ortiz. I’m wondering if, when the Giants decided they wanted to keep Perdomo, they figured they couldn’t do so with a six-man bullpen. After all, Perdomo has looked pretty bad of late, so, at least initially, he probably won’t be trusted with much more than mop-up duty. Thus, the need for another reliever.
This would also explain why they demoted and Yabu only to possibly bring him back. It doesn’t explain why they prefer Yabu to Medders or Miller, though, or why they have a man-crush on Uribe.
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Keeping the extra pitcher, I understand
Keeping six outfielders and no backup catcher, I do not
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Also Natto said Baggs said Velez and Torres probably aren’t on the roster very long together. I’m thinking (hoping) then Holm comes up.
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I’m pretty much convinced that the Giants hate Steve Holm. Maybe he slept with Sabean’s wife and daughter at the same time or something.
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Nah, that’s what Denker did.
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Who?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Like I said in the fanshot, I think this is a Bochy decision. Boch is a former catcher, and he seems really hesitant to let Holm do anything more than catch in the bullpen.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 31, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t understand why Bochy being an ex catcher would matter. Holm does a pretty good job at receiving.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
I want to see Sandoval catch more, though, so I’m sort of okay with it.
Maybe the Giants didn’t like what they saw from Posey defensively, and decided they need to keep Sandoval’s hand in behind the plate, just in case he needs to start there next season.
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If the Giants want Sandoval catching next year, it’s probably because Posey is unlikely to be ready, not because his defense isn’t good enough. Especially considering almost all sources seem to think Posey is a better defensive catcher than Sandoval.
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If Posey isn't likely to be ready, his defense seems like a good reason
I’ve heard severely conflicting reports on Posey’s defense. Most seem to agree that he has the tools to become a plus defender, but that he’s far from one right now. Particularly his game calling (though, if the fall league is any indication, his ball blocking is pretty sorry as well).
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Well. If Posey isn’t ready, it’s probably because catchers are almost never ready for the majors that fast.
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I agree
Which is why I thought the Giants’ initial stance, that Sandoval would be playing 3B exclusively and not catching at all, was insane.
Although, the change of heart could also have something to do with Ishikawa’s strong Spring, since that precludes Sandoval moving across the diamond (at least as long as Ishikawa’s hitting, anyway).
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My own rosterbation involved Sandoval catching, Burriss at SS, and third and second basemen being acquired. But I’m of the If Sandoval Is Playing Third We Need A Backup Catcher school of thought.
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Kind of interesting, though
I never thought in a million years that the Giants would make such a radical roster decision as going without a dedicated backup catcher. It’s sort of refreshing that they’re thinking outside the box, even if they’re wrong.
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I Would Like For Them To Carry No Relief Pitcher At All
That way there would be roster room for an additional seven center fielders. I would still not suggest carrying Steve Holm, however.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
by Outside The Box Thinking on Mar 31, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That and it seems you are of, hell we just overpaid Edgar Renteria for a couple seasons, but let’s just let him rot on the bench school of thought as well. I guess we don’t pay his salary, so what the hell, why not.
by CrispinGloversBalls on Mar 31, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
what
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Well a major reason to sign Renteria was to provide time for a player in AA or AAA to get their SS game together. The leading candidate for this was Burriss. If Burriss is now the everyday 2nd baseman in SF that kind removes that motivation for signing Rentawreck. Unless someone wants to make a case for Bocock comeing alive enough with a bat in the next 18 months… any takers?
Russ Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.
He’s not going to be in the upper minors this year.
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yeah
but we got next year too, so it’s possible. Not likely, but more likely than Bocock learning how to hit IMO
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Yeah, there are questions about Crawford’s ability to hit, but he’s definitely my favorite SS in the system. Which in part reflects the organization’s lack of depth at the position, but oh well.
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no, I was saying “what?” to him saying that jcb wanted Renteria to sit on the bench. I’m pretty sure jcb’s rosterbating included not signing Renteria in the first place
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No, I wanted them to give Renteria a multi-year deal not to play!
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Possibly by doing this they will be giving Sandoval some reps to be ready if Bengie is traded during the year. But still doesn’t justify why Sandoval didn’t catch all spring.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You sound like you’re thinking ahead and considering a variety of different scenarios. Would you be interested in taking over for Brian Sabean and/or Bruce Bochy?
If the Giants were a blackjack player, then for most of Spring Training they’ve been making smart, conservative bets and slowly building up their pile of chips. Then today they seem to have gone all in and stopped on 15 while the dealer is showing a face card.
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
Well his game calling should be a little behind, because he never called games in college (that’s par for the course for the college catcher ranks). I think this year we’ll see those concerns fade as he gets more experienced; there are already stories floating around about him picking up some of the subtleties. According to everything I’ve read about his ST, Posey is athletic behind the dish with good movement and a great arm. If he doesn’t completely fall apart this year, he should be good to go in 2010.
by GiantsFanInExile on Mar 31, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So remember last season when we suffered through almost an entire season of Castillo? This is like that, times five for the godawful decisions being made here.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
+1
I hope this is either a horrible dream and/or an early April Fools joke
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean it was like that one time my uncle lured my dad into a ravine so some shady guys could cause a stampede that would kill my dad? Cause it feels kinda like that.
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I’m gonna go hang out in the forest with my reject pals because Sabean and Bochy are so retarded.
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 31, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Timon, maybe. Pumba was definitely rejected by all the watering-hole cool kids.
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what are you going to do after that?
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 31, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
reply fail. not sure why this is here
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 31, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Practicing Admiral Ackbar, are we?
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Someone obviously let the old Sabean out of the basement.
Russ Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.
Maybe Nuekom went on vacation or something, thus letting Sabes run wild.
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by Little Napoleon on Mar 31, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Somebody needs to shop Sabean’s head onto Hulk Hogan…
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by The Double Deuce on Mar 31, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
sabean lost a bet…or his brain
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
logical explanation?
you set the bar WAY TOO HIGH, Grant.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions
I can’t frakkin’ believe that there’s no back-up catcher on the roster. And 6 OF? WTF? Find a back-up catcher for the roster, and ditch one of those OFs. This seems obvious to everyone here.
Bengie’s production tailed significantly as the season wore down. Having no obvious way to spell him periodically during the first part of the season seems to spell disaster.
GAH!
I’m waiting for the day that Velez is put in to pinch run for Bengie, and then is left in to catch. That seems something management would do, at this point.
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Isn’t it amazing that a week ago the discussion was if the Giants would only carry 4 OF because of the versatility of the OF and then what does Sabean do? CARRY SIX. makes total sense
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and for those who missed the fanshot
Baggs says the Giants are considering Yabu OR RAMON ORTIZ for the seventh bullpen slot and long relief.
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the ortiz thing has to be baggs trolling us right
RIGHT???
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My initial reaction:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WTF DID THEY REALLY JUST DEMOTE MILLER AND MEDDERS BUT THINK ORTIZ IS AN OPTION WHATTHEFUCKWHATTHEFUCKWHATTHEFUCK PLEASE SHOOT ME IN THE FACE NOW.
Other fanshot highlights: after months of talking about stats, GRM has again decided that stats are all worthless and anyone who pays attention to them is a dumb nerd. The fact that the Padres demoted Denker was offered as proof for this.
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that's the magic of GRM!
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Butt Pee?
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I missed you, man!
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I don’t miss it, I’m not sure if it’s just because of how it is or if I get visited often enough by it or something similar.
OK now I think I’ve gone too far.
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I can’t believe I’ve seen you the past 2 days….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
The Padres demoted Denker? Man, that team is going to suck this year.
by GiantsFanInExile on Mar 31, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Stats Have Their Place But The Are Not The End All The Be All That So Many Here Take Them To Be
My position on them has been the same all along. I value them but I understand their limitaitons.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
What happened to the Fanshot?
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
It's still there
Just passing along tidbits for anyone who doesn’t want to read through its hundred of posts:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/3/31/816640/frandsen-optioned-to-aaa
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Not to mention the 1200+ on this one as well.
by paboperfecto on Apr 1, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
why not medders
the reason for yabu or ortiz to make the roster was if we were gonna be minus a reliever, since both guys could eat middle innings and save a shorthanded bullpen. if the bullpen isnt shorthanded why not go with medders, and if we go with yabu or ortiz we should drop send hinshaw down and keep holm.
by shaolinironlion on Mar 31, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
baggs also said Joe Martinez is in the lead for that job.
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
sweet buddha, if ortiz comes into ANY game that is close this year i will rip all the heads of my sister’s barbies and make them perform vorpal fellatio on skeletor’s plastic meat package…and then i will disintegrate the universe
velez in compare it will resemble posterity of the mutant of effigy and tin person, who tries to grip monkeys in flight
by Headhunter Rollins on Mar 31, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
A question on something too. Has anyone besides Burriss and Frandsen gotten work at 2B this spring? I think Velez got a few innings, but he’s mainly been in the OF. Uribe? Aurilia? Will there be some huge surprise when one of them takes to the second base position the first time this year?
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It would seem that the organization has wasted some valuable spring training time and failed to prepare responsibly for the season.
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I smell bonuses and promotions coming!
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Juan Uribe is on this team
JUAN FUCKING URIBE IS TAKING UP A FUCKING ROSTER SPOT. I am so goddamned pissed right now…..breathe…must remember to brreeaathe
Not just Juan Uribe!
Juan Uribe AND Eugeneio Velez AND Andres Torres!
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but…SPEED AND DINGERZ
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
this is the exact same thing kevin frandsen said as he was leaving zardoz’s office
velez in compare it will resemble posterity of the mutant of effigy and tin person, who tries to grip monkeys in flight
candy Buddha, if ortiz enters into ANY game, which is close one in this year, I will tear all chapters of barbies of my sister and will force them to carry out vorpal [fellyatsiyu] on the plastic packet of the meat of skeletor…, and then I will decompose the universe
by Headhunter Rollins on Mar 31, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor Kevin Frandsen. If I’d known this was what would happen on the last day of the year, I would’ve hired a sniper to take him out during his pinch hit. Mercy killing, the poor bastard.
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Seriously
holy shit, I can’t believe how goddamned PISSED I am about this. OH MY GOD BRUCE FUCKING BOCHEY I FUCKING HATE YOU ARRGGHHHH
The thing is a serious cluster …… of epic proportions. How Velez is kept as super utility guy over Fransend boggles the mind. There really is not much for Frandsen to do in the minors save – maybe – to knock some rust off. Unless I misremember Velez basicaly had 2 months in AAA. Similar ages. Just make no sense.
The Aurlilia/Uribe / Torress thing for the first couple months I can get. They are hedging their bets encase 2 , or more, of Molinia, Ishi, Rowand ,Sandoval & Renteria have huge flame outs before June. This gives younger guys a chance to play in AAA and not run up service time. I might not want to make that choice but I get it.
But Velez over Frandsen?
Russ Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.
did Sabean forget that Burriss could slide over to SS and Franny man 2B? Burriss IS a SS after all…we don’t need uribe
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy must’ve been hit by a foul ball in his huge melon. this is absolutely retarded. Torres and Velez! Isn’t it time to send Velez packing? He can’t hit or play defense. I don’t care how fast he is. He shouldn’t be on this team. Holm got fucked…again!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions
yes
but Herbie can suck three times faster than anyone else on the roster.
This doesn’t pose a horrible potential of him bombarding people with throws from second does it?
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by natteringnabob on Mar 31, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
But according to the fantasy guys at ESPN, Velez is teh awesome sleeper for the stealz! /rolls eyes
by GiantsFanInExile on Mar 31, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
oh well, in that case…
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
he’s stealing the job of a real major leaguer….
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
A guy on ESPN also recommended Rajai Davis for steals.
This is why I don’t watch ESPN.
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Speaking of Giants outfielders on the A's bench
Have the A’s set their roster? Are we getting Copeland back?
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Last offseason, I remember reading a post from a St. Louis fan suggesting that the Cards trade for Velez because he reminds him of Jose Reyes. I must be missing something, if everyone outside of SF thinks so highly of him
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 31, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Velez for Rasmus, FTW! (Can never have too many OFs, as Sabes can attest…)
by GiantsFanInExile on Mar 31, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You can tell it's almost opening day
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by CrispinGloversBalls on Mar 31, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I’ve read that a few of those actually do fall out. It’s just an expected loss. Was that here?
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I think so
because it sounds oddly familiar
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There was a cool article in Outisde magazine a couple months ago about this very thing. And yes, a few losses are expected. Of course, sometimes larger losses (and hilarity) occurs, too.
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Wasn’t it you that mentioned it?
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
ahhh, yes. Thanks
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
this should be a regular gameday image this season. we’ll need it.
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
6th Outfielder Math
Randy Winn can be counted on for 150+ games a year, very consistently. So can Rowand if he’s not hurt. To be conservative, let’s count on them each for only 140. Let’s say Lewis’ foot needs some time off, so we’ll pencil him in for 120. That’s 400 starts out of ( 162 * 3 = ) 486 total outfield starts. So, Schierholtz gets 80 starts and Valdez and Torres get, say, 3 each?
Anyway, my point is that
remind me why we need 3 second basemen again?
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
We don’t have 3 second basemen, one of them is an OF.
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just because he’s listed as an OF doesn’t mean he’s anything but a horrible 2B who might play OF. I don’t know if he ever will, because there’s 6 OFs
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Meet your ’09 no stick, good glove, all speed replacement level back up CFer.
Russ Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.
Oh, and also in the Fanpost, I wondered about who will now be our emergency catcher, should the need arise. I proposed Randy Johnson, while others liked Eugenio Velez.
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My reasonable proposal:
When the need for an emergency catcher arises, all eligible players (yes, including pitchers!) immediately conduct a Ro-Sham-Bo tournament. Winner straps on the tools of ignorance.
If Kruk and Kuip do the play-by-play on the tournament, it might actually be more entertaining than the rest of the game.
Anyway, my point is that
As RJ adoptive father, I disapprove. Do we need to mess up his back even more?
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, and I want to see Velez at C. for laughs.
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually like this roster for the most part. My one issue is Velez. He has less than 200 AB’s in AAA, so I’d rather see him hitting every day than stuck on the bench. Lord knows he could also use the work in the field, and every time he gets on in AAA we can order him to steal. I’d have Holm up instead.
Velez is never, ever going to be a non-awful defensive player. Sorry.
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Wut?
Lord knows he could also use the work in the field
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This roster sucks!
I hope Botch is trying to get himself fired before the season starts.
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by Little Napoleon on Mar 31, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions
Burriss and Frandsen both sent down with Holm
Maybe sending both could happen.. equal unjustice. Let Sandoval do some catching. That would leave room for veterns Uribe, Aurillia and Torres for the first third of the season. Time to make a deal to move some folks.
if that happens
I will fire off a very strongly worded email to Neukom
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by Headhunter Rollins on Mar 31, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If you’re trying to say something unkind about Oakland, you’ll have to answer to me. And delorean.
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Is that a cup of chocolate ice cream?
Wait a minute…
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You know they're looking at p0rn.
ask yourself: Where is J-dogg’s right hand? That sleeve sure looks empty to me.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 31, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I am quite fresh smelling.
Hi, I am Johnny Disaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 31, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
On the downside, you can cause bacterial vaginosis.
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What’s life without the occasional infection?
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 31, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that the one that can render you sterile?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Needs to get higher up in there. Say Chlamydia (or anything, really) in the tube. But these things do tend to ascend, so yeah, pretty much.
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So , what’s the argument against sterility again?
OK if I adopt Randy Johnson?
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by victor frankenstein on Apr 1, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you would enjoy Omaha as well, except this city still has segregated school districts and an even more raging meth problem.
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My asshole ex-roommate is from Omaha. Oh, the jokes we played on him…
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 31, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s too bad Oakland’s the only place with a crime problem, then.
And, y’know, last time I checked there had been one murder in like three years in the precinct where I live.
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I don’t like rosterbating anymore. This news is akin to getting gross and/or weird images in your head when you’re…rosterbating, and it kills the whole thing.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions
rosterbate…rosterbate…rosterbate…rosterbate.rosterbate.rosterbate.rosterbaterosterbaterosterbate[image of Bea Arhtur plowing Brian Sabean with a large phallic marital aide]ACK!!!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll never rosterbate again. :(
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno…right now it seems like it’s better than the real thing.
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I’ll just spend my time in the minors.
Wait…
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Pfft
Not for another 30 minutes at least
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
apparently Sabean doesn’t think we’re rosterbating the right way
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
That is just wrong, sick & twisted.
I’m glad your here man.
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 31, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, oh God, oh God, uh, uh, uh… dead kittens, dead kittens! Uh, uh, old nuns… uh, really old nuns… uh, Renee Zellweger!
Ah, there we go.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
I’ve actually always had a thing for Renee Z.
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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 31, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The 6 outfielder/1 catcher alignment
only makes sense if a trade is coming. Sending Paulino away so quickly and then keeping only 1 catcher on the roster is sheer lunacy. Frandsen and some of these pitchers they’ve sent down have some value to another team. So to keep myself from laughing at this stupidity, I focus on the possibility that a trade is in the works between now and Opening Day.
Uribe and Aurilia make sense as the primary backups in the infield, given how many positions they can play and their power relative to Frandsen off the bench. And Burriss earned this, and they were giving signs late last season that they wanted to put him at 2B.
But going with 6 outfielders buries Nate even further, and no team can seriously compete with one catcher and your backup being your starting 3B. So, let’s hope Sabean doesn’t blow a good offseason with this move.
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There is no trade coming. There is no plan. There is only the two-and-a-half headed monster that is Sabes/Botch…
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by Little Napoleon on Mar 31, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Future incoming transition from The Big Head ...
" We felt Travis’ bat was a little slow today so we decided to run Velez out at 1st today.."
Russ Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.
Would it make you happy
If Frandsen and some of the pitchers that got sent down were involved in a trade for a backup catcher? Cause I think that would be the last straw for me.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Mar 31, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
the answer is clear...
despite Aurilia and Uribe being on the roster, Nate is the backup 3B
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Perdomo
I must admit to finding him appealing. Maybe it’s Vegas element to Rule 5. Interesting piece from awhile back on these bets: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/news/2008/267230.html
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
by Outside The Box Thinking on Mar 31, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The only explanation I can come up with is they feel they want/need more time to evaluate some of the players on the team, either Perdomo, Torres, Hinshaw, Velez, etc. They have 4 days off during the first 3 weeks so they can probably get away with not needing a back-up for Bengie during that time. They see how they do against real life ML players and dump one at the beginning of May.
Fuck if I know, that’s the best I can come up with. It’s still stupid though.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Mar 31, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions
Just check the schedule, first day off in May is the 18th. No way this roster stays intact by then.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Mar 31, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, they need more time to evaluate…because this Spring Training wasn’t long enough to make a decision
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Just checking in to say...
What the fuck.
I talked to Bill Hayes briefly in Peoria over the weekend, and he seemed to think that Holm was the backup. Kinda makes you wonder wtf is going on over there @ 24 WMP.
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I’ll take this as confirmation that they’re just making this shit up as they go along.
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+1
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
bruce bochy is what's goin on
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Don't punish me with bad roster moves
Marvin Gaye is not pleased.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
STEVE HOLM NEEDS TO WORK ON HIS BEING STEVE HOLM!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
BLOATED HEAD OF SKIPPER STILL AWASH WITH "THOUGHTS" ABOUT ROSTER
NEEDS TO WORK ON SILENCING THE “VOICES” IN HIS OUTSIZED CRANIUM"
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
I remember last year being concerned that the Giants were going to carry 3 catchers. Anyone else remember that; it sounds fantastic to me now…
And why were they thinking of carrying three catchers last year?
So they could pinch run for Molina more often…
Has Molina gotten a lot faster over the offseason?
Or…wait! Maybe the reason they’re keeping Velez is so he can carry Molina around the bases!
Anyway, my point is that
Bengie’s in the best shape of his life
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 31, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
In all seriousness
could they not just dump they guy, eat his salary, and sign some replacement-level starter to take his place? What is the downside there? Is it better to keep the guy just because you’re paying him, all while he makes your team MUCH worse?
Pride.
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But
are these guys getting paid for pride or paid to win? I’ve never understood why GMs let these fuckers get away with shit like that. And if it’s the GM’s fault, then the owners should pull their heads out of their asses and do something.
Owners hire GMs; therefore, the owner’s pride is on the line, too. Never forget this.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Indeed
but the owner should realize that winning is more important than all else- fans don’t give a shit about your pride, they care about their team winning. If you fire your dipshyte GM and you start winning, fans will forget about your pathetic pride
Oh, I agree with you completely. I really really wish that owners were more willing to admit their mistakes. The Donald Sterlings of the world don’t seem to understand that winning is the only reliable way to turn a profit in sports-ownership. I hope Neukom realizes this and doesn’t let inertia get in the way of intelligence.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
He seems to be a pretty cool guy
all in all, I feel good about SF sports owners right now. The moves the Giants were making looked pretty positive, so we’ll see what Neuk does about this. Jed York seems like he’s on top of stuff too….hopefully
I thought the Clippers do really well despite almost always being terrible.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Bill Simmons has tickets!
They’re gonna be one of the first teams affected by the recession next year
MUCH worse than Joey Martinez (sorry jponry)? I don’t see anyone in AAA who is clearly better than Zito.
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Rogers is a 44-year old who put up a 5.70 ERA last year. Pedro is always injured and will cause us to dip into those imor leaguers who aren’t as good as Zito within a month. Who else you got?
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Barry Zito is not DFA’able yet, who knows by the end of the contract how he’ll be pitching, but he’s still a major league pitcher.
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Actually
He’s right about what you expect from a #4ish starter.
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And? You pay him to be a 4ish or someone else to be a 5. Those are your options right now.
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I just know that I’m sick of him! I should be able to have opinions without you stat nerds getting in my way!
/bill simmons
because
he’s more valuable than a replacement level starter, and we’re already paying him.
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swagger
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
comment from Baggs' blog made me lul
Neither Medders nor Miller need to clear waivers. They were both signed to minor league contracts and thus are not on the 409 Man Roster and thus do not need to be waived before being assigned to Fresno.
i bet they still only carry 2 catchers on the 409-man roster.
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And one of them’s Guillermo Rodriguez.
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Phew…I had to check the roster to see whether he really was still with the team. Not on the roster, is he still in the minors with us?
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just got cut by the orioles
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They’re totally going to try switching Schierholtz back to third base before the end of the season. And then change their mind halfway through the game and put him on first instead.
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Schierholtz will end up playing all 9 spots, just like Gerald did, only out of poor planning and necessity
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1 Catcher?!?! 6 Outfielders?!?!
What goes on in that over sized cranium of Boch? Maybe he thinks he can strap on the gear if they need a another catcher. And why keep Uribe? Isn’t he just a fatter Pedro Feliz who cant be used as an emergency catcher?
He combines all the bad parts of Pedro Feliz with lard and mediocre defense.
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Add to that i am pretty sure Frandsen was the emergancy Catcher. So he not only sent 1 of 3 catchers he sent 2 out of 4.
Russ Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.
Yeah, that was my recollection too.
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Doesn't really matter who the emergency catcher is...
…as long as you have a dedicated 2nd stringer, you’ll hardly ever need one…oh wait.
Anyway, my point is that
everyones said it already and said why we need it. but its so true so let me say it again, WE NEED A BACK UP CATCHER. it always seems like we want to ask the people with the most on their plate to shovel on more (ortmeir switching to 1st trying hit for a whole season and playing OF sometimes), now they want sandoval to save us on offense, learn a new position, and back up his old position. he’s just to important to the line up to have him shoulder all this. thats the main reason i want the back up catcher. the only thing i can think of is that bochy wants uribe to play more so now he can put him at third whenever sandoval is catching. and this is not cool man, not cool at all.
by shaolinironlion on Mar 31, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
Bowker can catch.
.
.
.
What, you never heard of a left-handed catcher?
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Lefty righty matchups!
When a dangerous left handed batter comes up, bring in a left handed catcher! It’ll keep him off balance!
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK, I am going to commute now
Don’t send anymore catchers down for additional outfielders while I am gone
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions
DOIN IT WRONG. Supposed to be Rush.
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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 31, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
what? you don’t want Horwitz on the roster?
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Once Again The Conventional Wisdom Of The McCoven Is Just Wrong
Did any of uyou ever think that the Giants might want to award Torres for his good spring by starting him on the roster and then dropping him when they actually need another catcher?
Did you ever think that the rumors that the Giants would like to trade Velez are true and they came to the conclusion that they couldn’t get what they wanted for him until then showed other teams that he wouldn’t become available for free on the waiver wire?
The odds that the Giants are actually dumb enough to carry both of these two for an extended period of time are very small. Holm will be up when he is needed. The Giants are just buying time to try and trade Velez or to demote Torres later only when they really have to.
As for Burriss vs Frandsen, it makes perfect sense to send down to Fresno whichever didn’t win the 2B job. Burriss won it far and square and you all should actually be happy that the Giants let them compete and gave the job to the winner. Frandsen had his shot and has no one to blame for not being the winner other then himself.
Screw Frandsen
Never liked him, don’t care.
But carrying 1.33 catchers is idiotic, and the fact that you’re defending this move just goes to show that you’re truly the reactionary anti-anti-Bochy-Sabean troll we all suspected you to be.
Except that I really do believe that you truly believe the crazy shit you say, which is deeply disturbing, but also hilarious.
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The really disturbing thing is that, in making these moves, the team’s management has shown itself to be just as insane as GRM – and in the same way.
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Giants management and GRM are one in the same?
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 31, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I really doubt no one wanted Velez because they thought they could’ve waited and got him for free.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 31, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
thats exactly what the’re trying to do but when they dont pull the trade off the’re gonna panic and decide to keep the stupid roster the way it is so we all dont think thats what they where trying to do. bochy keeps bangin on sabes door asking when he can call holm back up while sabean spits out in drunken, depressed slurs, “ride it out, ive almost broken the spirits of all these foolish, liberal, nor caleans.”
by shaolinironlion on Mar 31, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a tip
just because you say someone is wrong doesn’t automatically make it so. WHEN the Giants lose a game because they didn’t pinch run for Molina, then it will be too late to just call up Steve Holm. You can’t call a player up in the middle of a game, which is when it will become apparent that this is a fucking retarded idea.
by bondslegend on Mar 31, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing Should Stop Pich Running For Molina
When They do this all they have to do is replace the pinch runner with Aurilia or Uribe playing 3B and move Sandoval to Catcher. The net result is no different if they had an exclusive backup cather and didn’t have Sandoval.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, yeah it is.
The net result is there’s no one to catch if Pablo goes down.
THIS IS WHY YOU CARRY A BACKUP CATCHER.
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This Is True No Matter Who The Secnod Catcher Is
If he replaces the first catcher and gets hurt you have to go with a non catcher on an emergency basis. This is only not true when you carry three catchers which the Giants could have but very few teams actually do.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
OK,
you’re really not getting this are you? You have Molina, a backup Catcher, and then if that guy gets hurt, THEN Pablo can fill in. If Pablo is the only option, he’s going to have to switch positions a LOT more than if he’s the emergency guy. It’s not that difficult to understand.
Very Few Teams Carry 3 Catchers Because This Risk Is Very Small
The point is the Giants with Sandoval as the backup to Molina at starting 3B isn’t any different the the Giants last year before Sandoval was brought up with Holm as his backup. They pinch ran then for Molina and they can pinch run now for Molina. There are just not going to be many (if any at all) instences where they will not be able to pinch run for Molina late in the game if that is what the situation calls for.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE
The difference is that Holm was on the bench, not playing another position full time. Do you really think that doesn’t make a difference? Wow.
So what would have happened if Molina got hurt in the 3rd and then Holm was put in. Then they couldn’t pinch run for Holm. Same thing would happen. Sandoval takes a ball to the face again in the 3rd and then Molina gets on in the 9th inning and you want to pinch run for him. But you can’t.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but I’d say there is a much greater chance of a player getting hurt while they are starting in the field than if they are on the bench. That’s the difference. When Pedro was in both catchers were unavailable but it was due to the circumstances of the game, strategy to replace your regular catcher, and then an injury to need an emergency catcher.
If you have both of your catchers (regular and backup) in the field, that’s double the chance of them getting hurt and forcing yourself to not use any strategy concerning your catcher. Perhaps that just costs us a game or two in the season, but also I’d wager a couple times over the season you’d be stuck with an emergency catcher.
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I don't know if you've noticed...
…but baseball players are more likely to get hurt while playing the game of baseball than they are while sitting on the bench waiting for their turn to play the game of baseball.
You’re more likely to have your backup catcher available in the 9th inning if he hasn’t already played the first 8 innings at third base.
Anyway, my point is that
Well, splinters are very dangerous. So you can still get hurt on the bench.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Stupid
stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid
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to elaborate
Yeah that’s really great, have your 22 year old learning a new position at the major league level switch positions IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GODDAMN GAME 3-4 times per week. That will help his development.
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did you mention also learning the tendencies of the pitchers on the staff?
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And still learning how to hit major league pitchers. They’re asking a LOT out of the guy this year.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
I agree. why play him at catcher unless you ABSOLUTELY HAVE to?
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Ohhhhhhh that’s how you slip in some topical news right there!
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maybe if he had seen this, he wouldn’t have been burned.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
you tell me do things I spit coffee…
OK if I adopt Randy Johnson?
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by victor frankenstein on Apr 1, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions
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IF YOU WERE TIRED YOU’D BE TAKING A SNAP
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
IF YOU WERE A BOARDGAME YOU WOULD BE MOUSESNAP
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IF YOU WERE A SPINOFF OF A POPULAR MONSTER-COLLECTING VIDEO GAME CREATED FOR THE NINTENDO 64 YOU WOULD BE POKEMON SNAP
IF YOU WERE DJ IN CINCINNATI IN THE LATE 70’S AND EARLY 80’S YOU WOULD BE VENUS FLYSNAP
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
IF YOU WERE A FORMER ALL-PRO DEFENSIVE TACKLE FOR THE BUCCANEERS FOOTBALL CLUB OF TAMPA BAY FLORIDA YOU WOULD BE WARREN SNAPP
Anyway, my point is that
IF YOU WERE A GREATEST HITS ALBUM BY THE JAM YOU WOULD BE CALLED SNAP!
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you are wrong
the giants are wrong. Accept it and move on. You were urging me to do the same, only this time you actually are wrong.
Actually, I Am Right And I Have Already Proven It On THis Point.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Assertion != Proof
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Try Reading Above
I showed how easy it is to pinch run for Molina and how it is no different to do so with the backup cacher currently on the bench or playing thirdbase. This is a simple fact not an opinion.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, but what if Sandoval is hurt? It’s a lot more likely getting hurt playing 9 full innings instead of coming in for 1 or 2 innings at the end of a game.
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He’s already proved his point, and if you question him, he will simply repeat that he has already proved his point.
Anyway, my point is that
Well and what good is a TIRED back up catcher? In a 10 inning game, you can’t take the Panda out: you might need him to catch. There’s GOT to be something else going on here… …please? please…
Which brings us to
Limits pinch running strategies for our TWO slowest base-runners.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
"Fact"
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
by GiantsFanInExile on Mar 31, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Injuries are facts, they happen. Especially in a demanding position like catcher is. I know it’s great to think “OMG I love the Giants, so everything they do must be right and I will defend to my death”. The reality is that this is not a very good idea.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes Injuries Happen
But in this case the risk is just a single game as another catcher can be added for the next game if needed. The odds of Sandoval being hurt in the same game that you later want to pinch run for Molina are almost too small to actually measure.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Russell Martin
Does this go back to your love for Martin? I am thinking so.
I would feel much better with 2 catchers and Sandoval as the E catcher instead of having 1 1/2 catchers.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
What’s the point of having two infield “super” utilitymen if you can never, ever pull your third baseman out of the game because you’ve then lost your backup catcher.
by paboperfecto on Apr 1, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No you havent
you’ve been wrong, and then defended your wrong position with inaccurate information. That is the definition of being wrong.
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This is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact. The fact is it does not matter if your only backup catcher is already in the lineup playing 3B. You can still pinch run for your starting catcher and then just mve your backup catcher from 3B to Catcher and insert someone else to play thirdbase. Are you really to dense to see this simple fact?
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Notice the 3 or 4 people who have already pointed out why that is a stupid strategy?
good lord, I am also done with this discussion. You are wrong, and this is stupid. Have fun
rainman, what about the fact that if Sandoval or Molina gets injured earlier in the game then you lose the ability to pinch run for them? This will cost you a game if something like JT Snow happens.
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rainman I see you’re back on, I’m interested in what you have to say about this. 9th inning Molina/Sandoval gets on and you have Holm on the bench no problem putting in a pinch runner, either Torres or Velez you’ll still have once one of them is gone for Holm. But if one of them is injured in the 3rd then you can’t do this.
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I feel like
the probability of this actually happening should not really affect the decision.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Mar 31, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you just got here and are now catching up with the entire thread.
That would be pretty funny.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Mar 31, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Do You Really Think This Is Likely Enough To Worry About?
I don’t. I don’t recall the Giants pinch running for Sandoval last year and I don’t expect them to this year. I just don’t see why everyone is so worried about Sandoval getting hurt and then later in the same game not being able to pinch run for Molina. Come one! The odds of this happening are very small.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Really
What do you gain from NOT having Holm on the 25 man that makes it worth the risk? I can see plenty of ways (however unlikely) where we could lose 1-2 games because of this, and with this team 1-2 games is HUGE. I don’t see a way where we win even one game we wouldn’t have with this arrangement.
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Alright, I think I asked you again later so I’ve got your response here. Thanks.
I’d say that if this configuration stays the same for a month, then I’d think there would be a situation where this happens. Whether it be from Sandoval getting hurt or being replaced with a defensive replacement. I’d put the over under at .5 and take the over.
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What if you (ever) wanted a defensive sub at third base and didn’t want to take Molina out?
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Not A Problem
You are only going to want a defensive sub when you are ahead and it is late in the game. Very unlikely that you are going to need to pinch run for Molina after this.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You've convinced me
Any scenario in which the Giants are ahead late in the game in patently ridiculous.
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I think the chance of the Giants being up more than a couple of runs late in the game is less likely than both the 3B and C getting hurt in the same game.
by paboperfecto on Apr 1, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
’Cause that would only happen if our bullpen gave up the lead, or if it was a narrow lead that needed insurance runs. And we know with our powerhouse offense and rock-solid bullpen those are both highly unlikely.
(Oh, and by the way, I was being sarcastic.)
Anyway, my point is that
Oh, It Could Happen. But, It Just Ain't That Likely.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Sandoval has already hurt his ankle and taken a grounder off his face. He isn’t the most fluid of fielders. The odds of him getting banged up in the field (and having to miss a game or two) are a bit higher than your standard 3rd baseman who’s played the position for years, rather than a few games.
The same goes Molina’s aging fat ass. He’s had leg problems the last couple of years and the cold of SF isn’t going to help him stay loose in the early part of the season. He’ll need days off, even in April.
If either of these scenarios happen, the no backup catcher strategy really blows up in Bochy’s face.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. He will need a few day off in April. If he was to come in to play defense late in these games then it just defeats most of the purpose of giving his knees rest.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If A Minor Injury Occurs You Just Bring Up Holm
But until then Steve ain’t needed.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Desperately Just More.
Uribe’s right handed power off the bench more important in late game situations. Torres and Velez’s switch hitting bats and speed off the bench more important in late game situations. All Holm does for you is give you a chance to pinch run for Molina if Sandoval get hurt in the same game. This is way less important.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
GRM, I think you vastly underestimate how demanding of a position Catcher is. You expect Pablo to be able to master 3rd base, and yet still have the time to be able to become a ML catcher. Seems like you’re asking a lot out of a 22 year old rook.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Just Asking Him To Keep Doing What He Did For The Final 2 Months Last Year
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess that’s the difference. Last year he was still a catcher that played some 1st and 3rd. No expectations, just get the offense going and show us what you can do. Now he is the 3rd baseman (which I dont like) and being asked to become at least average a league average defender at a relatively new position. Being pushed an pulled all year is not the way to develop young talent.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
yes it is possible, just like this roster is possible, just like playing in traffic is possible, just like being a dodger fan is possible, just like sex with random women in the santa barbera dorms is possible, just like fighting a fresno grizzly bear is possible, just like droping in on flea at steamers lane is possible
by shaolinironlion on Mar 31, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
not to mention pablo might need a defensive sub late in games
by shaolinironlion on Mar 31, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
But what about those pesky extra-innings game? The two biggest (e.g. roundest) guys on the field are our only two catchers – that can’t go well if the game goes into the 12th or 13th.
by GiantsFanInExile on Mar 31, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you are missing the bigger picture here. You really expect a 21-year-old who is learning a new position to be pushed and pulled throughout the season while never getting the chance to settle in his own at one spot. Again, he is 21!!! Baseball players are creatures of habits.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
urghh… 22 year old
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget the hitting
Don’t forget he’s going to be seeing a lot of major league pitchers for the first time while the others are going to have a more prepared attack for him. This kid isn’t getting hit with a book, he’s getting hit with the library.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
I’d much rather have Torres than Velez on the roster, thank you.
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Well, right. I was just trying to refute GRM’s thought that some people seemed to want Velez over Torres.
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YOu Are Incorrectly Assuming This Will Be The Roster All Year Long
All that is set in stone is that it will be th3e opening roster. That is all Torres or Velez are assured of.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It's still
pretty indefensibly stupid.
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Actually nothing is set in stone
Bochy could just be rambling, or he might change his mind after Sabean whacks him upside his enormous head. Until the final cuts are actually made, we don’t know for sure this is gonna be the roster.
Anyway, my point is that
You know why it won’t be the roster all year?
Because it’s fucking stupid, that’s why.
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by groug on Mar 31, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, It Isn't Fucking Stupid. This Over Reaction By The McCoven Is What Is Fucking Stupid.
There are advantages to this roster over a short haul. It can’t last and it won’t be asked to last but it is fine for a short period to start the season.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Award Torres by giving him the #5 spot and sending Velez down.
I have not heard any Velez centered rumors and would like a link that has anything of the sort.
I believe Velez can be sent to the minors without using waivers.
The Giants are pretty dumb sometimes. People wouldn’t be over reacting if they didn’t have a history of being dumb. I’m pretty sure another catcher will be added soon enough though.
Give Burriss the starting job. That’s alright if they feel he is the better choice. It still makes none sense for Kevin to be sent back to the minors. There is nothing left for him to do there and he is being kept down by Uribe. Uribe. Oooo-Reeee-Bay.
Velez does have options
Velez does not have trade value.
So the notion that they’re holding on to him in order to trade him without exposing him to waivers is wrong on at least two counts.
Anyway, my point is that
My Mistake. But He His Trade Value Is Still Higher If He Stays On The MLB Roster.
The buys the Giants more time to decide between Torres and Velez by using Sandoval as the backup catcher until they do.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, keep up his trade value.
Like the way we boosted Rajai Davis’ trade value last season. Why, if he hadn’t been on the MLB roster, we might have had to give him away for nothing. Oh…wait…
If they can’t decide between Torres and Velez yet, what good is having them sitting around not getting ABs going to do? There just aren’t enough outfield ABs to split six ways. And since there are no adverse consequences to sending either one to Fresno, why not pick one to keep for now, then swap them out if the one you picked isn’t working out?
Anyway, my point is that
plus, normally in April, it’s hard to get ABs for the guys on the bench because the starters needs to really get their work in.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
But isn’t he on a minor league contract? If he gets sent down now, then he doesn’t have to be exposed.
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This. I don’t think he even needs to be “sent down” just dropped off the ST roster. He’s on a minor league deal, he’ll go to the minors if nothing else happens. If he gets added to the roster and then sent down he would be exposed to waivers.
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In fact, the only way we could lose him is if he’s on the roster at the beginning of the season and then he gets sent down.
So the only way this isn’t a bad move is if he’s so worthless it doesn’t matter that we’ll lose him on waivers.
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Correct
He’s not on the 40-man yet, so he can be sent to Fresno. If they add him to the roster and then send him down, then they’d have to expose him.
Anyway, my point is that
Proof please.
But He His Trade Value Is Still Higher If He Stays On The MLB Roster.
Like most of the crap your peadeling here today it has no rational or logic in either Stas based or old school views of baseball. Team control is team control. Velez would be “mastering” a differnt position ( out field) in the minors. Nothing radical about that.
Russ Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.
carrying no true backup catcher is unwise and takes an unnecessary risk. Of course, the team could be fine over a short period, like a week or so, but the benefits you cite really don’t outweigh the risks. Yes, it is unconventional outside the box thinking, but really it seems kinda stupid. Velez isn’t going to play enough over the short term you speak of to enhance his trade value in any significant respect, if he even has any to begin with. And the competition between Velez and Torres should produce 1 victor, just like the competition between Frandsen and Burriss. The team doesn’t need 6 outfielders in April and “awarding” Torres really shouldn’t be a real consideration. Frandsen wasn’t rewarded and he had a good spring, and has been here longer, and provided more versatility than Torrres.
It might be something the team could do for a week, but it really is playing with fire.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I Am Thinking All Of April Not Just 2 Weeks
Four days off and everyone is fresh and healthy. Sandoval will likely only need to start once or twice in April at Catcher and the Giants can decide which outfielder to do what with after that for May and beyond. This just isn’t really all that hard except for those of you that are only happy when you have something to complain about.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
clearly there should be whole new threads made for when GRM posts. damn there are a ton of replies.
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t buy the whole “send ’em up when needed, and send ’em down when not needed”. When will they need a back up catcher…hmm. probably after a weeks worth of games to give Molinas’ legs a much needed day of rest. A viable backup catcher is a necessity. Sorry GRM, but your comment is full of wrong.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
In April The Giants Get 4 Days Off
At most they will need another catcher to start 4 games in April and I see no reason why Pablo can’t do this.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
not so happy with this
(Velez and Torres both make it? Uribe and aurilia but no frandsen? Ortiz might make it?)
My semi-okay feeling is slowly decreasing.
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600 comments on mostly this topic. Are we ready for opening day yet?
Russ Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.
i havent blown my rosterbation load yet, just…..a……little……..bit………longer…………
by shaolinironlion on Mar 31, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you need visual stimulation?
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 31, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
/posts GRM nekkid pictures
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by victor frankenstein on Apr 1, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Per my fanshot post of 5 hrs ago
I still cant’ stop thinking about this rosterfuck.
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Something tells me
we’re all going to be thinking about it for a looong time, like the first month of the season when any chances of competing are shot to hell
to be fair
this team never really had a chance of competing.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Maybe not
but JUAN GODDAMN URIBE?? REALLY? It’s like they’re just giving up before the season even starts. I am really angry that he’s gonna be on the team
We could at least pretend like it does at the start of the season. This barely looks like they’re trying.
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by raisingcain on Mar 31, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you can rosterfuck to, this blog just gets better and better
by shaolinironlion on Mar 31, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
There's always a chance...
That Bochy was talking about what HE wants for this team, and when Sabaerkom finds out their manager wants 6(!) outfielders on the 25-man roster there will be an immediate retraction from the GIANTS BRASS.
Sort of like when Mike Singletary wouldn’t say it was impossible that the 49ers might sign Michael Vick after he gets out of jail, followed by Jed York and Scot McCloughan slamming the door on that a day later.
Or, Bochy just hates Steve Holm and wants to make sure Velez and Torres stay mentally engaged through the rest of Spring Training.
All I know is if this ends up with the Giants getting Mike Piazza I’m never using Pert Plus again.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 31, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions
That Bochy was talking about what HE wants for this team, and when Sabaerkom finds out their manager wants 6(!) outfielders on the 25-man roster there will be an immediate retraction from the GIANTS BRASS.
Oh please! Oh please!! Oh Please!!! Oh Please!!!!
Russ Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.
I want some of whatever Bochy and Sabean smoked this morning. It must be damn good stuff. Everyone has commented on the big issues but I need to vent. I was shocked they even kept Ortiz in camp not to mention still having a shot at making the team. Frandsen should be the utility guy over Velez. He has hit better and played better defense at every position that Velez has played. I also don’t understand why they are keeping both Aurilla and Uribe. If you are not going to stick Pablo at 3B I would rather he be the backup 1B and have Holm be the backup C. If you are going to have Burriss on the roster you don’t need Uribe to be backup SS.
I almost think that Bochy has his days mixed up. He probably thought today is April 1st and is just playing a joke on some guys and all the fans. That is the best explanation I can come up with for these moves.
Brett Pill - Lord of the double.
he has not hit better
velez has hit 328 and is slugging 531 to frandsen’s 274 and 384.
by shaolinironlion on Mar 31, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Again
and for (sadly, probably not) the last time
Spring training stats != Meaningful.
If 2 players have close to identical minor league numbers, OK, let their spring stats decide.
However, 50-75 PAs in spring should not outweigh several years of minor league productions
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But A Good Scouts Eye Should And That Is What The Giants Are Using To Make These Decisions
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No
It shouldn’t.
I don’t care if your expert scout is telling you that player A has all the tools with the smoothest swing you’ve ever seen, if he’s giving up .200 points of career minor league OPS to player B, you take player B.
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you might have a point
if the Giants best home grown hitter from the last decade or so wasn’t Pedro f*ing Feliz.
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yeah, i yield to your logic. my jack ass eye has just sees velez’ bat moving faster than frandsens not just his feet. and im ignoring velez’ baseball iq that might be less than mine. i think velez can do more for the team but i have nothing with any weight to base it on
by shaolinironlion on Mar 31, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Senor Marzo
FTW
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by natteringnabob on Mar 31, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Andres Torres?
IT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE!
by anthropocenTRICK on Mar 31, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions
I think of him more like a souped up Ellision. Any way you spell it he is insurance against Scott running into a wall or Nate’s disk completely slipping out. In the mean time he pinch runs for Molinia.
Oh wait that would mean the Giants need more than 2 players to play catcher on the 25 man. Thus we are off and wondering who is the emercangy Catcher now that Fransden is down.
Russ Ortiz is not the Run Dingerz.exe we are looking for.
Wait and see what they open with. They could make a change or it could just be that they don’t figure they’ll need a backup C for a couple of weeks (they have a light April with 4 off days) and why not carry players who give you more offense off the bench?
They could also be waiting to see what back up catchers don’t make the last cuts for other teams.
Dang, it’s not even official and some guys here think it’s going to cost them the pennant. I’m thinking it won’t be the deciding factor. ;→
Jet
Andres Torres brings offense off the bench?
Nobody here thinks it cost them the pennant because nobody hear thought they would win the pennant anyway.
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Well, Holm isn’t an offensive power house. At least I would think that they think he’ll give them more offense and speed than Holm. There is some rationale there. I mean, come on, he hit .397 so far this spring. You don’t expect him to do that in the majors???? ;-)
My tongue was firmly in cheek with the pennant comment. Referring as you say, to low expectations.
maybe they plan to ride Molina hard and trade him at the deadline, before the work takes its toll.
wishful thinking, I know.
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after the current commercial break.
First words out of mouth to be… April Fool! Ha ha McCoven, sure had you going! Pop open a cool Frandsenberry Kool-Aid and relax!
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I hope for the first mention of the McCoven by one of the Giants officials or players. Kruk and Kuip called Grant the McCoveyChronicles Insider for a while when he was blogging for FSN too, but never specifically pointed to the website.
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by natteringnabob on Mar 31, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
they're stalling waiting for Botchy
talking about some football team
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by natteringnabob on Mar 31, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
he kind of talks like him.
without the creepy nicknames.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Mar 31, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
GRM + baybear = Bochy?
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now they're starting to whinge about Botchy standing them up
sweet
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by natteringnabob on Mar 31, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they're giving up
Saying Botchy is on a bus and waiting to get off to call in.
Maybe it will roll over him as he’s listening to ralph introduce him.
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by natteringnabob on Mar 31, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
manny burriss starting 2B?
Really? I actually commend the GINTS BRASS for going with 1.5 catchers. Velez is really an IN/OF anyway.
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OK
I’ll take .339
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by natteringnabob on Mar 31, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Ohh, I get it now
We signed someone named Holmes to play backup C.
Phew.
Proud new co-dad of Travis Ishikawa. And ishikaBOOM Goes the Dynamite.
There goes the theory that the Giants hate Steve Holm. How can they hate someone they don’t even know?
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 31, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
John Holmes is our new catcher? WOW!
/waits for wilriv
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Brother died from Aids.
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Man
That was one of the weirdest conversation I’ve ever had. I really had no idea where he was going. At first I was angry, because I thought wilriv was going to say something homophobic, then I was just confused. Then I got wil’s point, but still had no idea how we were supposed to understand it from his comments.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
That’s how about half the conversations with him go.
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In the other half, he does say something homophobic.
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that wilriv!
(laughtrack)
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
You know why MCC works so well? Because we have no problem with openly mocking each other. On some other sites, that shit gets you banned. And then everyone just ends up full of bottled-up rage. You know, like I am. Imagine a whole forum of jcb9.
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It’s all in good humor and I think the mocked know that it’s just for the lulz.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Ah, another thing to add to the hate pie chart. “You All.”
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
wtf?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
yep still as funny as the first 200 times i watched it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I don't think that movie will ever get old
But then, I love history jokes. So I’m biased.
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Oakland is pretty touchy though…
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 31, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, we just prefer people have more original reasons for bashing us.
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See what I mean?
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 31, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
HEY GUYS LETS TRADE CAIN HEZ NOT A WINER.
It’s that sorta thing, transposed to cities. That’s all.
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Because we have no problem with openly mocking each other.
Just transposed to Oakland. I’ll try to come up with more original reasons to avoid it in the future.
I kid, I kid. Call off the Deloreans…
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 31, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, you can openly mock – that’s fine! I just openly eye-roll in response is all.
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Fair enough.
I don’t actually hate Oakland, but the people who put this together really don’t represent it well (I also understand they are not the majority of residents).
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 1, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you mean?
I’m on probation for doing such a thing…
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 31, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as they are a long time member they get it.
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 31, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That show was brilliant, but it turns out there’s not a large audience for a show whose sole point is to make fun of the conventions of sitcommery.
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He’s the President, resident, he’s kind of in charge
He’s got the whole country saying, “That’s my Bush!”
Life is hard, it’s the price of fame, when you’re president everyone knows your name
That’s my Bush!
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Holmes!
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And then no mention of Aurilia or this mysterious Holmes person in the article.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Elementary my dear Watson
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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 31, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
holmes was snooping around the clubhouse trying to find out how the Giants decided to carry 6 OFs
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Its not that different than the roster I was hoping for… (differences in bold)
Starting pitchers (5): Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Randy Johnson, Barry Zito, Jonathan Sanchez
Relievers (7): Brian Wilson, Jeremy Affeldt, Bob Howry, Alex Hinshaw, Merkin Valdez, Luis Perdomo, Justin Miller or Brian Medders
Catchers (1): Bengie Molina.
Infielders (6): 1B Travis Ishikawa, 2B Emmanuel Burriss, SS Edgar Renteria, 3B/C Pablo Sandoval, INF Rich Aurilia, INF Kevin Frandsen
Outfielders (5): CF Aaron Rowand, RF Randy Winn, LF Fred Lewis, Nate Schierholtz, Andres Torres
Left Out: Speedy McVelez, “other” long reliever, Uribe
Unlike some people here, I like the idea of Pablo catching a game or two a week. It would be easy enough to call up Holm a series or so a month to give the big boys some rest. If you would feel more comfortable, it would be easy to replace Torres with Holm.
But seriously, its two roster spots! Take a breath! The Fresno shuttle will be active. Frandsen will be up as soon, and Holm will be catching and helping the offense to fuel a 0-1 Matt Cain loss too soon for my liking.
It’s more like four roster spots. For me, at least.
Those being Uribe, Torres, (other reliever), and either Hinshaw or Perdomo. Actually, I like both Hinshaw and Perdomo, but I’d rather keep just one. Having both in the bullpen at once seems a little much.
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This is more of a minor point, but I’m a bit surprised to see Hinshaw making the team. Not that he isn’t decent, but he still has some control consistency to sort out before he’s going to stick in the bigs.
I think he’s there until Romo, and then either Perdomo or Hinshaw is axed.
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Teams like to carry two lefty relievers.
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Seriously, though, when was the last time the Giants didn’t have at least two lefty relievers for an extended period of time? If I didn’t have a headache and wasn’t about to go pick up the kids from daycare, I might poke around and find out. At the moment I can’t think of any recent time when they only had one.
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What exactly is wrong with temporarily carrying 6 OFs? Particularly when it seems obvious they are going to send Holm down for a couple of weeks to get regular ABs, then have him replace the one of Velez/Torres who loses the competition?
The problem is those ABs you speak of. The 6th OF won’t get any. Particularly if you think Velez has any future, that’s an issue. He’s most likely the 6th guy out there right now (he can’t hit and is awful on D) and just won’t get much burn. Send him down, let him hit. Bring him up if there are injuries. A 2nd catcher will play a lot more than a 6th OF.
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Because it's not useful
As I wrote elsewhere, the Giants have two OFs in Rowand and Winn who can be counted on for 150+ games per season, plus two young guys in Lewis and Schierholtz who both need to get consistent playing time. That should cover almost all of the OF ABs right there. You need a 5th OF for flexibility, okay, but there’s virtually no playing time left for a 6th OF.
In other words, if you haven’t decided between Velez and Torres now how are you going to judge the competition when they’re each sitting on the bench getting 3 ABs a week?
Heck, if they really want to get Holm regular ABs in the minors, they could keep an extra bullpen arm – that’s more likely to see regular action than the 6th OF.
Anyway, my point is that
Simply Not True
The action won’t be as a sixth outfielder it will be as a pinch hitter or runner. Both Velez and Torres will get action in these roles and the Giants will learn more about which one they want to keep for the long haul.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes!
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by natteringnabob on Mar 31, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
And how do you learn about the issues with Velez’ game (hitting, defense) if he doesn’t get consistent ABs and time in the field? If you think he can succeed, he needs PT. He gets PT if he’s in Fresno.
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Problems with that logic:
1. Neither Velez nor Torres have demonstrated that they can hit significantly better than, say, Steve Holm. Both are likely to be worse than, say, Frandsen or Bowker (to mention two other guys who could be filling that roster spot).
2. The only starter who will regularly need to be pinch-run for is Molina. You don’t need two pinch runners just for him.
Anyway, my point is that
The Giants can carry 2 lefty relievers but not a backup catcher. excellent!
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought, at first read, the GRM made sense, seemed to apply logic and analysis. And I thought, you, jcb, have been pretty adolescent, emotional, and irrational all day on this issue. But I assume your hatred of Uribe and Torres is based on your spending the entire Spring in Scottsdale, watching him and Torres play. What, exactly, about their play earns them your unfettered disdain??? And who is it that is soooo much better that you are outraged nearly to death because they are not on the 25 man roster? And, assuming for the moment, the giants picked Hinshaw over Perdomo, how exactly were they going to be able to keep him on the team? And, lastly, how does that = 4 roster spots?
i think uribe and torres’s entire careers up to this point are deserving of jcb’s disdain tbh
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That’s a great way to fill rosoter spots, especially with developing players – just look at their career stats. Why have a competition between Franne and Burriss if all we are going to do is look at their past stats?
Then, of course jcb is correct. He is sitting here reading ’06 stats while the Giants staff is wasting their time watching these guys play in actual games in Az. Hell, why even play games??
OK
I was going to say it as a joke, but I’m pretty sure you’re GRM with a different name. He’s suddenly stopped posting an you’ve come out of nowhere spouting the same shit and defending him. WTF
Wouldn’t be the fist time. This is a person that used to pretend to be female on the Giants ezboard.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
You are going to get me in trouble.
But yes, it is true.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You ask me to have lunch, tell me someone pretended to be a woman, and then say you’re not in the mood for details. Now you listen to me. I want details and I want them right now. I don’t have a job, I have no place to go. You’re not in the mood? Well you get in the mood!
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Where are you living? Are you here? Are you on this planet? It’s impossible. It can’t be done.
Thousands of years people have been trying to have their cake and eat it too. So all of a sudden the two of you are going to come along and do it. Where do you get the ego? No one can do it. It can’t be done.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
I can back this up. Even if GRM claims it’s not true.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
It’s not that big a deal, there used to be a poster on the ezboard who had a similar posting style to GRM/similar argumentative style/etc but went by the name Giantscarebear and claimed to be a girl.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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I’m seeing a lot of people lately who are GRM style. So it doesn’t mean much I’m pretty sure.
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No, I mean like the little idiosyncracies, like the misspellings and the weird capitalization. I don’t really care, I think GRM has carved out his little niche here and even though he’s annoying I don’t really mind him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I don’t even find GRM annoying anymore. I think he brings some good ideas, not all of his ideas are good, but I see logic in some of them. I’m probably like him in that I’m looking at stats, but for things like defense or for things where we don’t really have much data to look at, give me a scout.
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Well, I only find him annoying when he busts out the “YOU ONLY THINK THAT BECAUSE YOU HATE SABEAN!” or “SCOUTS CAN TELL!!!11” Otherwise, he’s fine.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I like pie.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Now this is a fact.
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Well, except for those sugar-free pies that they put artificial sweetners in. Those are just wrong. And not delicious.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right?
Why have a competition when the stats are overwhelmingly in favor of one player?
I guess you have to try to maintain and aura of competition as a motivational tool, but Spring training is no way to decide anything important.
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wtf? torres and uribe are not “developing players” they are both well over 30 and have a long history of sucking.
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Uribe is 29.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
well
he’s thirty in my heart.
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hopefully, without offending Baggs, I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t well over 30.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
WAS well over 30…
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
damn. I thought no one would notice.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
You’d think that they’d have looked extra careful at his records during that whole murder/blackmail/what ever happened there? fiasco a couple years back.
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Just so were clear
25 practice games against teams made up from minor leaguers and non-roster invitees, along with major leaguers = real baseball.
7 years’ worth of real games against MLB teams = worthless.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
2 spots...
While Jcb’s rage highlights some of my own feelings on this STUPID F&*%ING ROSTER, noting that the core is pretty much what I thought it would be does sooth my own rage a bit. thanks. but then under calmer reflection the whole thing is still rather stupid. Reduce playing Time for Nate. Needlessly puts Uribe, Aurilia and Torres on the 40-man roster and then the 25 man roster too.
This is classic Bochy, he is starting with some strategic-level double switch, with intentions to change in a month or so. Wait for it Boch, wait for it.
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Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
a hibbity hibbity huh?
So until Boche stands over his dead children laying in his wife’s blood and says “my god what have I done?” … we’re projecting that our new young stud plays 160 games, 30-40 of which in a knee crunching crouch? 30-40 of which the Giants spend scrambling for best-3rd-base-back-up-turned-starter scenarios? Meanwhile Torres and Velez cage match for toaster leavins? Maybe we get lucky and Mrs Boche has a Mrs Hartman streak in her. Now is the time lady. He never loved you anyway. And he blew me in a truck stop. I’m just sayin…
But like Grant implied, this should only last 1-4 weeks.
One fat cleanup-catcher. Really. Hmph.
Phil Hartman – murdered by his wife. A touch of class…
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 1, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I know the reference. I was just wondering why he went for it.
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Srsly?
A hartman reference? I woulda gone with “I hope he gets fired”, but there ya go
by bondslegend on Mar 31, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
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I’d say MCC is more of a game.
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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 31, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever...
IF this is the opening day roster, it will last 2 weeks – 3 tops. People will get shuttled back and forth. Our 7th bullpen arm will be made irrelevant with all the off days in April and Velez will not get into a game until April 17 and they’ll realize that he has no purpose on this team. So, as far as this being news… whatever.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
Do you guys all honestly believe the roster will shake out this way? I’d be interested to hear the actual conversation they had with Bochy, because there are zero quotes from him in that article, and the first line says they came to these conclusions through “some divining”, so maybe Baggs just misinterpreted.
Honestly, I doubt Sandoval is the only option to backup catcher. They just spent an entire spring having him NOT CATCH. I hope something just got lost in translation on this one and everyone’s freaking out over nothing.
by The Double Deuce on Mar 31, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions
At least GRM didn’t assume the worst and then run into the street screaming “the sky is falling.” It seems to me most of you are assuming the team plan is to go through an entire season with Sandoval as the backup catcher. Really? Where did you brilliant fuckers come up with that idea? Do you never learn? Outrage the minute Taschner is trade for a declining backup catcher, with no awareness that he may be flipped. You guys start out with the assumption that every move the Giants make is stupid then throw your self into a frenzy at each and every move, which you conveniently misunderstand and turn so it will support your paranoid delusion. Brilliant. Just come back on April 22 and admit how fucking stupid you were.
I think really the fear is that this is going to last for longer than we hope. Sure, if you play like this for a week or two then you may get through it alright, if by luck, with no poor affects on your record. But if this goes on longer than that….
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I don’t see the downside if it is only for 3, 4 weeks.
a) Holm gets regular ABs in Fresno
b) Bochy has two hot bats (both switch hitters, if I recall) on the bench
c) He has 2 pinch runners
d) he has one outstanding OF defensive replacement (Torres)
e) This gives him flexibility as he can pinch hit (or run) without really burning his bench as his bench is so deep (much like he did in Septemeber with the expanded roster)
Except it doesn’t give him pinch runners for the two people who need it the most, Sandoval or Molina. And really, the bench isn’t deep, it’s just missing one part of it so you’re less flexible in your C department.
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Well, yes, any startegy or change has limits, but they do have the option of running for Molina (or Rowand) and moving Sando behind the plate and finishing the game with Uribe at 3b. They have lost next to nothing, have saved Molina a couple of innings and improved their chances in the inning wherein the pinch running occured. If Torres or Velez pinch hit for the P it is almost free, and you expect more pitching changes early in the year, so more opportunites for the pinch hitter.
The Giants Don't Pinch Run For Sandoval Anyway.
Have you actually watched him run? He is pretty quick and athletic. A speed burner no but he ain’t slow either. Molina is the one to pinch run for and having Sandoval playing 3B and the only backup catcher just doesn’t make any di8fference. What you do is the same. After you pinch run for Molina you just move Sandoval to catcher and replace the pinch runner with Aurilia or Uribe to play 3B.
Why is this so hard for so many here to understand?
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude. I don’t care if it’s for two weeks. It’s a dumb move, no matter how long it lasts. Give me a logical justification for keeping 6 OFs. I can’t think of one. And I can think of many reasons for having two true catchers.
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They have, for a short time frame, a back up C. They wanted to experiment with giving Boche more in-game flexibility. So they added two very fast, decent hitting pinch hitters/runners,defense (Torres only). Both had outstanding STs. A couple of weeks against front line pitching will tell for sure if they are really hitting or their ST stats were inflated by inferior pitching. Maybe I wouldn’t have done it this way, but I just don’t see where it is so risky or stupid that you have to piss all over the bed over it. Worst case scenario, it doesn’t work and Hom is flown in by private jet (Oh, sorry, that was Kurt Warner).
My beef with most of you here is just because you wouldn’t do it this way it must be wrong. Fuck me, you’re not even winning your rotisserie leagues and you certainly haven’/t seen Torres or Uribe (for eg) play more than 10 games.
Perhaps this is what it is, but in the couple of weeks against front line pitching they’ll get what…10-20 PA’s? If that? That’s not anything you can draw conclusions from.
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Well, I think there is a difference if, after the 20 PAs one guy is hitting 200 and the other is hitting 400. I also don’t see how it hurts. It is a bit of extended ST for two guys who are similar but slightly different, on a team where there is only room for one, and they need/want time for evaluation and, possibly, to work a trade. Also, if no trade comes about, chances are better, I think, that, in 3 weeks, they pass through waivers
Dude
Do us all a favor and lay off the personal crap, especially when half of it is dead wrong. It’s bad enough to make an ass of yourself when you’re right.
Anyway, my point is that
Small sample size shenanigans are definitely going to be in play on this one. And I don’t think it’s a big risk, it just has no justification. An extra pinch-runner (on a team that already has decent speed: Winn, Lewis, Burris, Rowand, Torres, Schierholtz) just isn’t going to come into play that often. And as you say, only Torres can even play D. So what’s the point? Velez will get maybe 10 PAs. I’d guess it’s more like 5 or 6. I don’t mind Uribe or Torres at all. But there really isn’t a good reason for Velez to be on this team and there are good reasons for Holm to be.
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by cornball on Mar 31, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m pretty sure I’d still think Uribe and Torres were mediocrities if I saw them play for more than 10 games.
I probably have watched more than 10 games played by Uribe, actually. And that was back when he was decent (with the Rockies.) He’s only gotten older and fatter since.
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True, he is older, but he has slimmed down, and is in very good shape. He palys a mean IF and hit fairly well. He has, I think, 3 seasons with 20+ HRs. Exactly how many guys do we have on this team with that stat? He can back up 2b, 3b, and SS, pretty valuable, probably more valuable than Richie, but hie plays 1b, too.
I saw Torres in ST and he was spectacular in the OF – he ran down balls that Rowand would need a motorcycle to catch up too. He makes a very quick break on the ball and is accurate in his break – the opposite of Magellan. Really, after Magellan (and F Lew last year) it was a joy to watch him play OF
Uribe’s “20 HR seasons” came in some really, really good hitters parks. I don’t hate Uribe, but his 20 HR seasons don’t mean much.
Well, with B-Ref’s neutralize stats thing, he’s still got 21 in 2004, with 19 in 2006 and 2007.
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His 2004 season was legitimately awesome, but check out the rest of his park adjusted batting runs numbers.
2004 : +5.7 runs
2005: -11.6 runs
2006: -19.6 runs
2007: -24.3 runs
2008: -11.1 runs
He got a lot out of his home park.
Looking closer...
He did have a .242 and .273 OBP those years with 19 HRs. With .222 and .223 AVGs.
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He has slimmed down? He looks pretty chunky in most of the pictures I’ve seen. And he doesn’t hit fairly well. He has been in the 70s in terms of OPS+ the last four years. That is Joe Castle levels. He can hit HR but that’s about it.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yeah, his career offensive line is pretty much Neifi Perez + DINGERZ.
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*three years
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After 2 seconds of research
I can tell you that yes, he had 20+ homers 3 times, but his OPS+ has been in the 70s for 3 straight years. His OBP has been below .300 for 3 straight years. He is a terrible hitter and a terrible player. He should not be on this team.
I DOMINATED the MCC rotisserie league last year, I’ll have you know.
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You make that sound like a great accomplishment, but you're not fooling me!
It’s just a chicken-eating contest.
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If you are in fact a computer, I would expect yolu could recognize and avoid an emotional bullshit storm and instead add some facts coupled with calm reasoning. Too much to ask?
Yeah, that’s fine. But, I don’t think I’m going to buy your point about everyone here freaking out and being emotional by being an asshole about it. Sorry.
I try to avoid “everyone,” or painting with to broad a brush. I think I said “most,” which in and of itself is too broad – but it left enough room to eliminate those that didn’t immediately overreact. But go back to the beginning of this post, and I realize, with additions, it does not look like it did 1 1/2 hours ago, but the sky is falling hand-wringing was overwhelming. Bandwagonism at its worst, with only one or two souls brave enough to try to stem the tide.
We have three outfielders who will not need defensive replacements at the end of the game.
Andres Torres can’t hit.
Andres Torres has been inconsistent and generally unspectacular in stealing bases during his minor league career.
How is he more useful than an actual backup catcher?
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Rowand could use defensive replacement, if he’s like last year. Also sometimes Lewis wasn’t the greatest out there. If Torres is PH with and then goes in to LF as a double switch (possible if Lewis is hitting 3rd) then I don’t see the problem with that.
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Bochy will not put in a defensive replacement for Aaron Rowand.
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This is true, but still he definitely could use a defensive replacement.
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Nah I get it. But still, if Bochy gets any sense, then he can see that Rowand can use a defensive replacement, and also Lewis can use a defensive replacement every once in a while. BUT NOT VELEZ!
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Groug, you could be completely correct, Torres ST #s could be a complete mirage. The guy is out of options. Imagine the shit storm that would descend on Sabean if he waived Torres and he was picked up by the Nationals or the padres and hit anything like he did in ST and played the outstanding defense he showed in Az.. I think Sabean is to be commended for the flexibility he has left himself – he has kept ALL of these players, to be mixed and matched as the season develops. That is worth something. Remember the shitstorm over Denker. This time he has given himself more time to evaluate and also to see how everyone’s health plays out over the next few weeks.
Torres is not out of options. He was signed on a minor league deal, which means if he doesn’t make the roster, he goes to AAA or whatever other minor league team the Giants wanted to send him to. Only if he is put on the roster and demoted will he be waived.
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I don’t necessarily object to going with 4 OFs, and getting Schierholtz a ton of ABs. I don’t have an especially high opinion of Velez, but he did have a hell of a ST.
Torres on the other hand, offers us something we do not have, great OF defense – great range, great instincts, heady, smart play, with an exciting personna, a la Sandoval. He is, I think, better than Winn, and plays a really good CF. If I were Bochy, and mindful of Rowand’s wearing down last year, if I were going into the 8th inning with a slim lead, I would definitely want Torres manning CF, and Rowand’s vertan butt riding pine.
You heard it hear first, folks
Andres Torres > Randy Winn
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He is, I think, better than Winn
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He is, I think, better than Winn
But only on defense, right?
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I have enjoyed reading your perspective on the issue, but sorry, Torres is not better than Winn. You can’t compare a career minor leaguer to a player whos been consistent his whole career and as recently as last year.
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The Better Then Winn Comment Is In Reference To Centerfield Defense
I am not sure I am ready to go this far but perhaps Alfrank is right and this is what the Giants are thinking.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I reread the comment, and I think you are right in what he was referring to. Though Winn has made and art of RF defense at Mays field that I dont think Torres could do, at least initially. CF, Ok, possibly.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
idk, it wasn’t a very well worded comment if so. I would have said “He is, I think, better than Winn at playing center field” not “He is, I think, better than Winn AND he plays a nice center field.”
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I have addressed this earlier in the thread
The only way we lose Torres is if he is on the team when we are playing regular season games and then we cut him. Otherwise, he is on a minor league contract, so he will still be in the organization.
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I wouldn’t care.
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You NERDS who measure things with NUMBERS. Well, NUMBERS can’t tell you how many hits Pete Rose got in his career or how many guys Tim Lincecum STRUCK OUT WITH HIS FASTBALL last year! Your NUMBERS are useless.
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I call shenanigans
Other than, well, nobody, who exactly was outraged by the Taschner trade?
Anyway, my point is that
Yeah, that wasn’t really about anything other than life.
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At least GRM didn’t assume the worst and then run into the street screaming "the sky is falling."
Of all the many annoying things people say around here, this one — any variant on “You guys are idiots for going apeshit about this little thing that doesn’t matter much anyway” — is to me the single most annoying. We are obsessed fans. We have strong opinions on things great and small, even when we know they’re trivial, and we like to express them. So don’t tell us what we should and shouldn’t care about.
Seriously, for some of us, it’s fun.
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I don’t say a word about waht you should care about. I do object to strong feelings that are based on a slight factual predicate. I come to this site every day, too, because I like to keep up with me team. Yes, I prefer intelligent discourse and am really bored by adolescent ranting.
Why is it OK and acceptable to bludgeon GRM, but not OK to complain about adolescent ranting. I would like to think that there is some expectation of intelligently considered opinion and that contributors can point out the irrational, illconsidered avalanche in an effort to return the blog to more meaningful and more considered comments
PRO TIP
We have massive freakouts at MCC, and then later we calm down.
It’s part of our gimmick. If it bothers you so much, there’s always sfgate.com comment boards.
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Well, I would actually (just avoid this site), but therre are some incredibly valuable posters on here, like Brute Sentiment (and don’t blame him that I like him), DrB Giantsfan, when he was here, even Xanthan, altho he seems to short circuit on occasion, Walrusman, Goofus, even Grant and many others who know players or coaches or have connections and so I learn a lot. Another thing, I come here, especially late at night – when the regular press is sleeping, someone on here has stumbled on the latest trade or rumor and posted it here.
I also want to point out I have no trouble at all with anyone disagreeing with me. We are all right some of the time and wrong some of the time. Even though I am pretty arrogant, I try to avoid being sooooo arrogant as to assume I am always right – or right this time. I think life is better if we take tentative positions until we know all – or at least most – of the facts. I think it is a pretty effective way of going through life – so I try to get other people to do the same . So, sorry, you just can’t get rid of me.
You like intelligent discourse and one of your examples is Goofus!? GOOFUS MCPENISBUTTER!?
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On a more serious note, it’s the combination of intelligent discourse and weirdness that makes me like MCC so much.
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Absolutely
no offense, but if the place was full of allfranks and GRMs, it wouldn’t be nearly as fun
GRM is pretty weird, though. Not in as charming a way as some other regulars, though.
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Too many thoughs.
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Yeah,
I don’t mean to say that it would be better without them, but I just mean that one of the best things about this place is the sense of humor. And some posters have a better sense of humor than others.
That’s all I’ll say
We do have intelligent discourse sometimes but we also have adolescent ranting freak outs sometimes. It’s all part of the circle of whine.
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Yes, I prefer intelligent discourse
Uribe is better than Winn.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Sir Sidney Flails again
“Ponson gave up seven runs in five innings in the Royals’ 7-2 loss to the Oakland Athletics.”
OTness
I just ate a tasty burrito. Now I’m drinking a tasty beer. Also, I got layed off today – _ -
Computer needs hiring. Will work for ramz.
You know what site would probably get a fortune? Timlincecum.com! Instant cash!
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Yes!
Not being allowed back inside to get your things.
I swear I didn’t threaten anyone.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
being escorted out of the building before you can pack your things up?
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Ouch. Well you will have more STATS time now.
Anything around that you could get into?
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Yea know what you mean. Good luck getting something out there. Maybe you can see if you can get the BtBS people to pay you more than Grant pays us.
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I’M GOING ON STRIKE GRANT!
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"You don’t like your job, you don’t strike. You go in every day and do it really half-assed. That’s the American way. "
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
I’ve found that it isn’t even necessary to go in everyday.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck man.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
you should start your own paper company!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
>_<
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
by Zetsuboushita on Mar 31, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
That sucks. :(
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. This is one of the only ways a 5' 10" father can have a 6' 10" son.
by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to make a witty comment, but that just sucks. Not the beer and burrito part, the other thing.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 31, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Muy unfortunado dude.
Though I’m confident you’ll land on your feet somewhere buddy.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
To summarize: Most of us do not like the day’s transactions.
giantsrainman disagrees.
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addendum to summary
GRM lost out on Steve Holm in the Giants Player Adoption Draft and had to settle for Torres.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’M RIGHT! ALL YOU STAT GEEKS JUST AREN’T READING MY WELL REASONED RESPONSES!
BODY BIAS
WHATEVER
I LOVE STATS!
STATS SUCK
SCOUTS DON’T KNOW ANYTHING
SCOUTS ARE PROFESSIONALS AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY’RE DOING
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions
I SUPPORT WHICHEVER POSITION MAKES THE GIANTS FRONT OFFICE LOOK SMART
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a computer and a calculator? Perv.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, did you sneak into my living room for that photo? The one I have on the bookshelf is ’zactly like it.
I’m obviously not going to read this entire thread, but a quick sample reveals about 50% legitimate bafflement, 50% overreaction.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
So, pretty much like every day here.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 31, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
WHERE?
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Hey hey, easy big fella.
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If you’re good at something never do it for free.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
that's kinda greed-ish
Kelenna is mine...;>
by girltothemax on Mar 31, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It is illegal for me to charge for sex.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Craigslist?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Already was. First night game is Thursday.
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who will be pitching?
hopefully it’s lincecum
Kelenna is mine...;>
by girltothemax on Mar 31, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately A’s announcers. I think.
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why is that, walrusman?
Kelenna is mine...;>
by girltothemax on Mar 31, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
what's the giants home?
Isn’t it still csn???
Kelenna is mine...;>
by girltothemax on Mar 31, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
So then Randeh Friday night?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea what to have for dinner. :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I’m making Madras Shrimp, Chana, and brown rice.
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I think we’re having turkey loaf. That should lift my shitty spirits.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This definitely lifted my spirits because I’m literally LOLing.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Awesome misread.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I was gonna make 20 clove chicken, but the husband might not be home in time for dinner, so maybe I won’t waste my time.
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True fact: at random times I find myself thinking of “My love is complete” and laugh out loud.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
i heard it third hand
i heard the story by way of Merope reading the blog and even I find myself thinking of it and LOLing.
by Mister Merope on Mar 31, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Explained:
Embarassing Typo Hijack!
The company I am contracted to just moved me to a different building. When I got setup in my new place, I sent an email to my boss telling him that I was at the new location. I mixed up a "M" with a "L" and ended up sending the following:
I just wanted to let you know that my love is complete.
I am eagerly awaiting his response.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 17, 2009 1:08 PM PDT
lol I remember that
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Good thing, it was like two weeks ago.
No dementia for jponry!
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That is great.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Easiest Recipe ever
1.Purchase from Trader Joe’s
2. Heat
3. Devour while watching It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
Day man!
He’s a master of karate and friendship.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Mmmmm Trader Joe’s has a lot of good things. Including good Mini Tacos.
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There’s two ways:
1. Make Polenta. Put in buttered breadpan. Let gluten or whatever set over night/few hours. It should slide out like “loaf”. Then you can slice it and include it in layers of a lasagna (i like red sauce) as a replacement for the noodles. 1/4 inch thick slices maybe… 2 or 3 polenta layes.
2. Make polenta. Smear on top of stuff in lasagna dish, as you might a fish pie or shepherd’s pie with mashed potatoes. Add another layer on top.
I’ve only done version one, something my dad learned from some old Italian lady he rented a room from in Chicago way back when.
A delicious breakfast polenta or “corn mush” can use some of the same steps (but you might want to go sweet with seasonings and spices rather than savory. I just make “mush” with a box of corn-meal and some butter – simple and sweet). With the mush/polenta, put in buttered bread pan and let set overnight (to avoid butter you could line the thing with plastic wrap. also, you want to cover it with plastic wrap while you let it set overnight in the fridge. The wrap should touch the top of the polenta to prevent it from becoming “crusty” while it sets. same for version 1 above). Slide the set polenta out of the pan and slice (1/4 inch thick again). Then fry like you would a pancake and smother in butter and maple syrup. Fried corn-mush for breakfast! Yum!
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Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
Thanks for the idea
You could also spread the polenta thin on a large baking sheet, cover with plastic wrap and it will set into a sheet.
Also, it’s gluten free, which has become critical for me as my wife has been placed on a gluten free diet. I’ve made more polenta in the last year than I have the rest of my life. My people are pasta eaters and it’s been a bit of a challenge…
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I had Moussaka for lunch. Yum.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
True story
I’m trapped in my apartment thanks to yet another fucking snowstorm. So I’m having whatever’s in the cabinets…
Ahhhh…so glad to be out of that horrible weather.
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And flooding!
Which means the roads aren’t plowed because all the resources are going to the dykes. I swear, I’m visiting Portland this summer and I may just move there for good. This is ridiculous.
HOMOPHOBIA!
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Portland? No…Move to Lee Vining!
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Had to wikipedia?
I’d love to live there. Just east of Yosemite. Amazing desert.
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I know nothing of california
Weird, since I root for the niners and Giants, but yeah. I know SF and that’s about it. And Gilroy cuz that’s where my dad’s from. Garlic-ey.
Ah I see. Alright boy.
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If I didn’t love California so much, I’d be living somewhere around Portland. Hell, I still might end up there.
Yea I’d probably end up somewhere North California/Oregon coast/coastal mountains. But I’d rather be on the east side of the Sierra.
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I need to be able to see the Giants. I can’t live anywhere else.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Dominoes pizza. Flavor bailout.
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:( reply fail.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 31, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Most random comment ever
I HATE UNSKIPPABLE DVD ADS.
Especially when they cause my son to freak out because his cartoon isn’t starting.
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Second most random comment ever
I AM GOING BACK TO MY ROOTS AND LISTENING TO PROG MUSIC.
not rush though.
STAAAARLESS AND BIBLE BLAAAAAAAAACK!
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Styx?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
King Crimson
a literate prog rock outfit led by the charismatic fellow known as robert fripp
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
He’s such an ass but I think I love him anyway.
I actually saw him perform live once without realizing it until later.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
What’s good by them besides In the Court of the Crimson King and Red?
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I also like Larks’ Tongues in Aspic and Discipline. A lot of the other stuff is pretentious noodling wankery.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
That also is why I generally stay away from prog.
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I was attempting to purchase a used car today, and “Limelight” came on the interior radio station. I thought of this site.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
I mean, a lot of those four albums is pretentious noodling wankery too but it’s awesome pretentious noodling wankery.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Speaking of pretentious noodling wankery, I do kinda like the new Decemberists album on the first listen.
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I really like the parts that “The Queen” sings. I need to listen a few more times though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Is The Queen Becky Stark of Lavender Diamond, or the other one?
I once saw Lavender Diamond open for The New Pornographers and thought they were kind of laughably horrible. Of course, judging from her onstage banter, she may have been really, really high on some fucked up shit, so maybe that was why.
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I think she’s in My Brightest Diamond
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Court of the Crimson King and Red are just so good, it doesn’t even matter.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
before I started listening to KC today, I thought I might put Larks Tongues ahead of Red.
After listening to Red – NOT SO. even the crap that is Providence can’t bring it down because it’s followed by Starless.
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What's worse
Providence, or the 10 minuets of crap in the middle of Moonchild? Providence is more cacophonic, but I think Moonchild is worse because it lures you in with actual music and then before you know it you’re like WHAT THE HELL THIS IS JUST NOISE.
Not cool.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
I ALWAYS skip the end of Moonchild. It pisses me off, if they just cut that shit out, it’d be a perfect album.
Speaking of which, 21st Century and Court get all the attention but I think Epitaph is just as good if not better than those two.
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No way
Discipline is one of the best albums of the 80s but Larks Tongues/Red are just soooooo good.
And I think most of the 80s material sounds better on Absent Lovers than on the studio albums.
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I Talk to the Wind is also fantastic. Really, this is about as close as anyone’s ever come to making a perfect album.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
Nope
Someone made it and it’s called Astral Weeks.
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Read that as Astley Weeks. Anyway, I’ve always kind of liked Van Morrison in theory, but not enough to actually listen to an entire album of his. Maybe I’ll give it a shot.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
You should, though it can take a few listens to really sink in.
And I’d listen to Astley Weeks.
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I love that album.
Especially the first track, “Never Gonna Give You Up The Way Young Lovers Do”.
Anyway, my point is that
Red IS great
but i like the stuff with Belew too.
3 of a perfect pair
beat
discipline
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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 31, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm…doesn’t look like a rocker to me. Rockers need mullets or long hair or need to have had mullets or long hair in their lives.
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Babble. Burble. Banter. Brouhaha. Balderdash.
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by victor frankenstein on Apr 2, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually I probably have but don’t realize. I’ll check up on youtube after Howlin’ Wolf is done again.
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I don’t think he’s restricting it to himself.
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The 206th post down is the best one. Just FYI.
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Minor White > Ansel Adams
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..9..4…77…88…0…
Minor White > Ansel Adams
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Do you know how hard it is to get down to the bottom of this page now? There are too many comments popping up to make it to the bottom!
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Twas epic
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
This is the other reason why MCC works so well: we come here to freak out, but eventually distract each other by talking about food and prog and how weird GRM is, and thus calm each other down.
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I don’t do Franestites
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by say hey nation on Mar 31, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
After today's roster moves
Fransvestites
Holmoeroticism
Even Romosexuals are on the DL.
That leaves us is with….Uribe-tract infections?
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reason #109 why Uribe shouldn’t be on the roster over Frandsen
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
At the risk of opening up a can of worms . . .
Did anyone think that Uribe and Aurilia both make the team at the beginning of ST? I always assumed they were competing for the same job.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
I thought they would be fighting for the same spot. I also thought Frandsen would be on the roster no matter what, whether it be as a backup or starter
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the same universe I was in.
I think the Giants hired one of the writers from “Heroes” to the FO.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
Zing!
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I did, too – including assuming Frandsen would be at 2b. But doesn’t it mean the team is better than we thought when Franne can have a decent ST and still not make the team?
Nah, it means that management puts more stock in spring training numbers than it probably should. But we’ve been over this about 1,000 times now.
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Prime Example #1
Dan Ortmeier
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
i don’t think you’re the only one…
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
No, but I’m guessing it was something that Grant wrote that was neither funny or informative.
Not deadbeat Dad looking to adopt young SF ball player.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 31, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
if we say, it makes it real
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
DAMMIT THERE ARE 6 OUTFIELDERS ON THIS TEAM!!!!!
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
what, you mean this isn’t a gameday thread?
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I was talking to a friend on IM and at like 9:12 I was like “wow that roster freakout topic on MCC is at 686 comments.” 12 minutes later, i checked again and it was at 789.
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I believe it, there were times I saw 6 comments posted at once
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I started reading this about 45 min ago and I grew by 450 comments while i was reading and replying…LOL
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
No!
My browser finally froze lol.
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It’s actually probably my computer, which has been slow today. But I like complaining.
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I didn’t have the extra hundreds of dollars to buy a new Mac instead of a new PC.
Also, I wanted my copy of Civilization 4 to work.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I was on FF3 too but tried to search for something. After I type in the first letter of a search term then it sometimes freezes for a second and then I’m able to type the rest. Sometimes it freezes completely, just like this time.
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I was trying to explain this wonderful “feature” to Mr Merope tonight! You type one letter of your search term in the “find” box and the bloomin’ thing locks up. As if it were searching the entire thread for that letter.
HA MACS SUCK!!!!
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok now it's REALLY weerd
I’ve never had that problem with mine… course I do have FOUR GIGS of RAM… don’t know if that makes a difference
I’ve got 3 GB, on Vista, but still never am I even close to using all the ram.
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really?
do you not run a lot of apps at once?
Also, 3GB is a strange number, do you have like 2 1gb sticks and 2 512 sticks or something?
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interesting
I really need to upgrade my PC. I’m running on 6 year old hardware. I’m glad RAM is dirt cheap now, back when I upgraded last time it was about $50 for 512MB, now you can get like 4GB for that much
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Mine is chugging along quite nicely.
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It’s fine for me too.
MAC USER SUPERIORITY.
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would this be the right time to post a link to Mac killed my inner child?
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
So unwilling to pay hundreds of dollars more for a marginal improvement that is not worth that money.
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and not really an improvement in all areas.
sorry i use macs, always have, but there have been times where i’ve been like “WHY AREN’T YOU A PC???” to my computer.
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I have never experienced this
used to be an avid PCer, but the OS and the hardware is soooo much better in the Apple world that I find the price completely worth it.
I prefer my computers to be relevant in a business environment.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This is bullshit
macs can run windows better than PCs these days. I can understand an entire office not wanting to spend the extra money, but if you work in an office environment and can have your own computer, a mac will work fine
If you really want to spend a whole bunch of money for marginal improvements, you can!
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
Worth it!
(Plus, used Amazon for a rebate and no sales tax, so extra money was marginal, improvements are MASSIVE)
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
There's more to the hardware
than performance alone. My macbook is so far and away a better experience to use than any PC out there. I’d rather pay the extra money and enjoy using my computer every day than save money and have an ugly POS
when it comes to laptops, the differences are smaller, but I can put together a really high performance desktop for a fraction of what Macs want for their typical models.
There’s also the issues that have nothing to do with the quality of the product. Everytime my wife’s Mac has an issue that I could fix in three minutes on my PC, I have to spend hours on the phone with the least helpful helpdesk this side of Cingular.
I’m sure that it would be easier if I had more experience with Macs, but it hardly seems worth it.
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Well yes,
if you don’t know a platform it will obviously be harder to fix problems. And apple support treats you like shyte if you don’t have applecare- definite downside. That said, I’ve never had to call them in over a year of owning my macbook
As for the desktops, I do have to agree that mac desktops are probably not the best, though the new iMac is pretty awesome. Once you get to a mac pro, then the prices get insane. But if you’re buying a mac pro, chances are that you need to use software that isn’t available on a PC.
I will say, I’ve had some shittastic experiences with Apple customer service. Some good ones too, though.
But few of either, because in the 13 years since I moved out of the parents’ house, I’ve only had serious computer issues like three or four times maybe. Experiences vary, of course. My wife had a computer that had to get its power cord replaced twice and its battery three times, while I never had to use the warranty of my computer at the time once. So it goes.
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Best Bad Apple Customer Service Story
Years back, we were having problems with our Airport (wireless) base station, so took it into the Apple Store in Connecticut. The “Genius” tried to convince us that giving your computer a name other than the default (which the OS prompts you do you during setup) can cause serious hard drive problems, and then configured the base station so badly that it got our Internet access temporarily cut off. My wife works in higher ed, and at the time her job came with on-campus housing. Apparently, the “Genius” had configured the base station so that it was somehow assigning IP addresses to other computers on the network (or something like that).
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I have an ancient – win98 desktop, and a newer macbook… there are some things the pc does well, and other things the mac does well. There are times when I’d like to throw both of them out the 2nd story window.
This
my mac is, on the whole, more stable than my PC was, but wow. Sometimes it does piss me off. Such is the way with any tech
Well with 98 it shouldn’t do much well anymore.
By the way make sure to keep your printer for the 98 running, it’s tough, if not impossible, to get a printer for that old of a machine.
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Mr Merope is building me a new computer. He’s doing some Linux virtual machine thing.
And a big “oh yeah” on the printer. Since I use the 98 machine mostly for lesson planning and whatnot the printer is hooked up to that box. We learned that Vista and ’98 are not on speaking terms.
honestly, i’ve never understood why people get so worked up over this. if you wanna use pcs, use pcs. if you wanna use macs use macs.
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
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I have no problem with PC users
my problem is when people say why it’s stupid to buy a mac because “it’s too expensivez!!!!!” or “it doesnt work for us grownupz!!!” because those arguments are dumb. I had to save up for a while to buy mine, and not everyone wants to do that. Totally respect that
They suck for Gamez
and, really, that’s 90% of the reason to own a top of the line system.
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Can't argue
if you’re a serious computer gamer, you need a PC. High-end macs are more for production work. You could probably play some good games on them too, though, in boot camp.
I don't buy Macs
because Apple is evil.
They are the source of a lot of the stupid software copyright crap that comes up now.
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Also
I think their ads are pretentious.
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I’ll never understand why Microsoft bothered with their “counter-I’m a PC-ads”. I always thought the original campaign, in which Mac looked like a douche bullying on the poor nerdy, lovable PC guy, was good press enough for them.
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Honest
That wasn’t a glib comment. Our network admins won’t allow me to plug a mac into our network. I program for a living. It would be easier to do on a mac. I can’t use one.
I do have a G5 that I use for recording and mixing. I can’t use it for work.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn’t get hired by the company I work for as a Mac user now. I work remote, and a couple of years ago, they started only supporting remote employees who had PCs, but grandfathered already-employed Mac users in.
I have no idea why – the Mac software worked and continues to work 100% fine. The company I work for is Microsoft’s bitch, though. Pretty much every piece of software they use is either Microsoft or internally developed.
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Our school district is the same way… you can only hook certain machines up to their precious network, and it better not be a mac!
my school was too
that was exactly where my mac-loathing was fostered… i’ve hated macs for awhile but finally decided to break down and get a macbook pro after my IBM died a couple months ago.
macs ftw!
by DividedByZero on Mar 31, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
YAY!
I never even considered getting one until they could run windows…and now I don’t even have windows installed on mine. Shows how much I really needed it…
Mine came from work. Everything ran so flawlessly at work and my home PC ran so shitty that I made the transition to Mac. I bought my wife and myself each a 13" MacBook and use the Airport Express for the network.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 31, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Usually, it’s software that they have for PCs and not for Macs. I know I could get Parallels or whatever but eh.
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well, you have to buy the OS.
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it’s not really a big deal. I spend like one hour a year thinking about it. lol.
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Indeed
there have been times when I wanted to play a game, but then I realize that I don’t have a good video card…and just get it for 360
But don’t you want to right click now and then?
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To-finger tap on the mac's track pad
works even better than a right click IMO. Also, to scroll you just use two fingers and move them up or down on the track pad. I love it.
With the new ones you can rotate/zoom and do other stuff too
Heh, It was more just a joke.
I’ve used a mouse on a mac with a right click.
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but I think the right click and scroll thing is just so awesome. I use PCs now and am like WTF? The track pad on macs is a lot better
I’ve used a macbook (I think, it’s an apple laptop) and I couldn’t scroll at all. I’m sure it just comes with practice but still.
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It's a setting
may not have been enabled. And it does take some getting used to, but once you do it’s very tough to use a computer without it.
me too!
whenever i’m trying to fix a friends PC, i’m trying to do the two-finger scroll thing and i get really confused for about 5 seconds.
by DividedByZero on Mar 31, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
DUDE
I right click all the time. Apple even makes a mouse that right-clicks now. Move on to a new criticism that didn’t cease to be valid years ago!
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In fact any USB mouse works with mac – I right click, scroll etc. all the time… I did have to enable the right clicking on a Leopard box at work though.
What I’ve become addicted to is the ability to scroll right and left by pushing sideways on the wheel of my little Logitech USB mouse.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 1, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t really think of a time when I’ve done this. Well, not since the days of MacOS 8.5 or so, and even then not really.
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ok well
mostly related to video games :(
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I’m really only interested in games that I played on NES or DOS when I was 10, so it’s not a big issue for me, yeah.
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The most recent Onion News Network video was very amusing
in an It’s Funny Because It’s True sort of way.
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I stopped with the linux a few years ago. It turns out you can do whatever you want, but then you have to figure out how to do anything you want to do.
I was forced into a mac (digital video program) in 2003 and the ease of use hooked me. I use a PC and a Mac side by side all day at work, though.
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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 1, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
high five!!!
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Random Thought
how many people moved up in draft position for the upcoming adoption draft just by this thread?
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Of course, so many people kept their adoptees that a spot in the draft probably means the difference between Edwin Quirarte and Kelvin Pichardo.
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hey…that could be the difference for Pichardo, who needs a strong parent to keep him off the ’roids
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by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
No one, they all gained the same amount of posts.
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Stupid Sabean and Bochy are back. Think we can trade Bochy to the Nats for Manny Acta?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Maybe this all part of the plan
It’s a plan to get the Giants the number one overall section in June 2010.
If there was any justice in this world, this would be an elaborate April Fool’s joke.
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THIS IS NOT INTELLIGENT DISCOURSE.
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NO U
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Will this just become an open game thread?
Or do we need a Frandsenberry Kool-Aid Rosterbation GRM Sock Puppet Thread Part II?
Bleeding lazy moderators. That Grant Frisbee just posts and runs to the golf course after the Yahoo deal.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
What did we get to on the Epic Rohlinger thread?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude quit showing off your cock.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Circumsized?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I searched frantically for a flashing gif chicken pic after your first comment. No joy.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno...
These could work.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Are you supposed to grip that cock so hard?
Not deadbeat Dad looking to adopt young SF ball player.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 31, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Lunatic Fringe
VH1 is doing 100 Greatest One Hit Wonders of the 80s and they just put on Lunatic Fringe. How very fitting.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions
Somewhat OT
Can someone please explain to this old fogey what the whole repeated adjective thing (“long thread is long”) is about?
It’s “funny.”
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
LOOK AT WHAT YOUR CARELESS HANDS HAVE WROUGHT
YOU’VE CREATED A MONSTER
The only humane thing to do is put the thread down.
Pick up McPherson (and his struts) for 3B, move Pablo to C and trade Bengie!
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 8:32 PM PDT reply actions
This thread's insane
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
we are all pedro feliz
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. This is one of the only ways a 5' 10" father can have a 6' 10" son.
by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
we are all insane pedro feliz
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I hope we can do this during gameday threads this year.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
But with more penislolcats jokes
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Holmania!
This Steve Holm lovefest has seemingly hidden the fact that there are 5 CF on the active roster. For as many decent things as Sabean has done in the past ~6 months, he is still obsessed with CFs
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. This is one of the only ways a 5' 10" father can have a 6' 10" son.
Well, the Giants say Velez is a “CF,” and Lewis and Winn can play a competent CF, and Rowand can play a crappy CF but starts st CF, so we have 5 including torres
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. This is one of the only ways a 5' 10" father can have a 6' 10" son.
by Speedforthewin on Mar 31, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is...
…Nate needs to be taking some practice in center?
Anyway, my point is that
Holy Crap
A guy goes home from work, and you guys drop 1000 comments in the meantime!
This site is weird ;)
by FairweatherFan on Mar 31, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions
WTF
there must be some trade a-brewin’.
and then there is this thread. a bazillion comments, a dozen hijacks, and four kilowatts of rage. Get your tinfoil hats!
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
Call me old fashioned
But I don’t see the big problem. Obviously we were given the old bait n’ switch a few times re: Frandsen, Holm, Uribe, Aurilia, Torres, Velez, 11 pitchers instead of 12, a tap dancing Gregory Hines instead of a pirate with one wooden leg, did I miss anything?
They can, and will, make changes, this isn’t set in stone. Holm will catch some games, Velez and or Torres will be sent down at some point, and Frandsen will be recalled.
The real problem is that this team just doesn’t have enough pieces, so they’re going to have to piece meal it for a while. Let’s hope we can figure out if Ishikawa and Pablo are for real. That may be the most they can reasonably accomplish this season.
Here's what makes it stupid:
WHEN torres is sent down, he’ll have to clear waivers first. How does it make sense for them to start him on the big club? It would be so much smarter to start him in the minors and bring him up if you need him later on.
I said it earlier and I’ll say it again – the talent on the Giants 40-man is there to have that 12-15% chance at the post-season but I don’t expect it to be managed any better than 8-10%.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
I was gone all of yesterday
I heard the roster moves on the radio and just knew that the MCC would be worked up about them.
But this…
Goodness me.
For what it’s worth. I don’t much like the moves, either.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
well, tbf we got kind of off topic with food, prog and mac vs pc discussion.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Oh, I saw
Still.
Goodness me.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
and the webby award for most responses to a blog post goes to…
velez in compare it will resemble posterity of the mutant of effigy and tin person, who tries to grip monkeys in flight
candy Buddha, if ortiz enters into ANY game, which is close one in this year, I will tear all chapters of barbies of my sister and will force them to carry out vorpal [fellyatsiyu] on the plastic packet of the meat of skeletor…, and then I will decompose the universe
by Headhunter Rollins on Apr 1, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions
DO IT NINERS BRASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!111!!eleventy!!!
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
On my way to work this morning I heard one of the KNBR host say [whichever crappy QB you guys are starting] is just as good as Cutler so there is no reason for trading for him.
I was all like, LOL.
You know what the world doesn't need?
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