Frandsen Optioned to AAA
I wish they would let go of Uribe and give Frandsen a shot...
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Wow...
Shierholtz Treatment.
Expanding on that
I’m glad our team is such an offensive powerhouse that they can afford to let a 26 year old infielder w/ a carreer Minor leage slash of .327/.391/.458 rot in Fresno so that Juan Uribe can get at bats.
by FairweatherFan on Mar 31, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I slightly preferred Frandsen to Burriss — mostly because I’m not sure Burriss will ever hit — but it’s not the worst thing in the world for Frandsen to get regular PT if he’s not starting with the Giants.
agreed, but that slash should put him ahead of Uribe-non-2004-edition for an eventual spot as utl.
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Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
I went there at first, too.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 1, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
wait
wrong again. forgot to take Lowry and The Surge out, So: 26, plus Yabu and Ortiz make 28. Definitely. No question. Right?
guess they are serious about the long-man thing, with Joe Martinez apparently being seriously considered
I wonder if both end up back after the Giants can D.L. Lowry and the Rule V guy starts his suspension?
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Perdomo didn’t get the suspension, Pichardo did.
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thank you for that.
Now back to my unplanned Vitrol & Scorn fest.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
is right.
Frandsen Does Not Come Alive
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
This means that someone can claim him right? I thought he was out of options. If so I hope he goes to a winner.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
I believe it is revocable. The Giants can take him off of waivers if he is claimed and try to make some sort of deal.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm, possibility?
Perhaps the Giants are just trying to gauge interest, as stated above.
by FairweatherFan on Mar 31, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe this also to increase Uribe value (i.e. we ant to keep him, forcing clubs who want him to trade instead waiting for him to be cut). One can hope! Right? Does tha make sense?
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 31, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
In case you haven’t heard the Yanks now have left side infield issues for an undetermined length of time. I am not saying they would trade much but just saying that is a significant market change since he was signed.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah, if the Yankees want a 3B, they’ll pick someone up who’s better than what they currently have. That person is not Juan Uribe.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Does the golf clap even exist anymore?
Shouldn’t you yell “GET IN THE HOLE!!!1” instead?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
I don't think he is.
For one thing, Baggs said he had been “optioned” to Fresno, so either he used the wrong term or Frandsen still has options. He’s only split 2 seasons between the minors and majors, ‘06 and ’07. I don’t believe last season counts against his option years.
I’m actually okay with this, to me it suggests they still see Frandsen as a potential starter rather than a pure utilityman. Let him get plenty of playing time instead of warming the bench.
Congratulations to Burriss are in order. He played his way into a starting job.
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Still looking utility
From Baggs:
Frandsen will play all over the infield at Triple-A Fresno, Bochy said
Seems from that quote that they’re still interested in him becoming a super-util guy.
by GiantsFanInExile on Mar 31, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly, so why can’t he be that guy in the majors?
by chilibean_3 on Mar 31, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s really what his upside is. He’ll never be a regular in the majors for any winning team, though like others, he should make the team over Uribe.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
“He’ll never be a regular in the majors for any winning team”
People say stuff like this all the time, and it seems kind of crazy to me. There have been a lot of really good teams who have a starting player or two who’re a lot worse than Frandsen.
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Craig Counsell, for one, has 12 years in the majors and 2 WS rings to show for his .687 career OPS. He started 113 games for the D-Backs in their championship year (albeit at 3 different positions).
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
The Giants made the playoffs in 2003 with Neifi Perez getting almost 350 plate appearances (and posting an OPS+ of 65).
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This is all true
But it doesn’t mean you should do it.
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If Frandsen turns into an average 2B defender with production around .350/.400 I’d be very happy with him playing 2B, championship team or no. And I think that he could put those numbers up.
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.350/.400, would put him middle of the pack in the league at 2B, a bit higher on OBP and lower SLG. I would be ecstatic with that production from him, it’s something similar to Polanco or Iwamura. Personally, I don’t think he’s capable of that, but it’s certainly a possibility.
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A team controlled “Mark class” middle infielder? Yes, please.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the reason I peg him at that is because he’s never been below that in a minor league season. And I’d say if he’d play this year he’d come close, and probably pass that the next season.
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I’ve never really felt that his minor league numbers would translate well to the majors. I don’t have any evidence or specific reasons to back that up, it’s just purely a feeling I have.
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I keep banging my head over Velez. I mean this is a squad that needs to get its 4th outfielder 400+ PA’s this season. Velez might be the spastic grandson of Dick Stuart ( AKA Dr StrangeGlove) but without the power. And Frandsen is roughly the same age but already has experience as being the utility guy on ’07 when the Big Head would only play him at any position except 2nd. It just doesn’t make since to me.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I already hate this move, if he is out of options and can be claimed I’ll be really pissed. Frandsen could put up the numbers Uribe has over his career. I really hate when a hot spring by a 4 or 5 year MLB somehow gets him on the roster. Not to mention I hate the idea of Uribe and Aurilla on the team. Just stupid.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Mar 31, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Here, I put this together yesterday:
The gap between Frandsen and Burris isn’t that small and when you consider baserunning, Burris should close that gap a little more. I just don’t know if he’ll hit. Is -14 runs per season low enough?
I just don’t know if he’ll hit. Is -14 runs per season low enough?
Depends if they decide to stick him in the 3 spot for part of the season.
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Excuse my foreign language, but..
@#$#%!5
One of Medders or Miller should be on the team. Yeah, Guzman could use some seasoning. Frandsen to Fresno. *uck you Bochy/Sabes. We now know that it’ll be more of the same as last year, where Uribe is the one who covers for a struggling Renteria or Burriss. And Aurilia will come in for Ishikawa and Pablo regularly. About the only deserving player to really get a chance to play will be Lewis.
At least we can hope for Torres.
Wait
After complaining Uribe and Aurilia you’re excited for Torres? Does not compute.
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Torres can defend, and has shown just as Frandsen/Medders/Miller why they belong on the opening roster
Can’t say the same for Renteria, etc. Velez is a hard case, but he’s almost in the same world of hurt defensively as Guzman, without the power. So, its still Velez/Torres for one of the roster spots. I’d rather see Torres in the majors while Velez improves in Fresno.
by pittsburghian on Mar 31, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I am not a fan of this move. If for no other reason than this means Uribe makes the team.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions
Uribe = Rich Aurilia minus the nostalgia .030 points of OBP.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
They really are the same package, though. Just different contents. I think CHONE has Aurilia’s R/150 at like -16 and Uribe’s at -19 but Uribe gets some of that back on defense.
except that 1B is Aurilia’s only real position, and Uribe can cover the other 3 infield spots with at least minimal adequacy, no?
If you’d say Uribe has minimal adequacy at the other infield spots I’d put Aurilia at adequate at 3B.
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Yeah, that’s my point about defense. Uribe rates higher at 2B/SS/3B. He’s never played 1B. That’s what I mean by same value, different compositions. Outside of nostalgia, I don’t get all the torch and pitchfork stuff about Uribe. He and Aurilia are basically the same player at this stage and if I’m choosing a UTIL player, I’ll take the one with a better glove.
I don’t want both of them on the team at the same time, but choosing one of the other really doesn’t matter at this point.
Actually Aurilia is a better defender at 3B, Uribe is a surprisingly good defender at 2B, and neither have any samples for SS last year.
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Check the TZ projections I posted above. If you want to use UZR, Aurilia is about -3 runs per 150 games at 3B in his career. Which is essentially in agreement with his TZ scores. Uribe’s score is lower, but his sample size of 600 innings is really too insignificant to draw any conclusions from. If he’s a near average SS, he should be better defensively at 3B than -4 runs.
I don’t get it, really. You don’t want them on the team at the same time, but as you say, they backup at different positions. So you must mean that they are somewhat redundant because they are similarly valued rh-hitters. I agree that we probably could have used another lefty bat on the bench, but neither Franny nor Guzman helps with this. In the end, I think I’m more convinced that you had to choise between Franny and Uribe than Aurilia and Uribe. Did I misunderstand?
Uribe = Rich Aurilia minus the nostalgia .030 points of OBP.
Well that is good to know. I was really begining to worry about the ’09 squad clogging the bases too much.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
This is so dumb. Frandsen has had a far better minor league campaign, comes up, proved he was worth a look and after his injury gets shafted? For Burriss who is at 2B because he is too horrible defensively to stick at SS. It doesn’t matter if Burriss has slightly more range than Frandsen if he bumbles and mis-throws every time. He makes dumb decisions on the basepaths too.
Burriss can’t hit for power, so when he fizzles out as a big-leaguer and we look back and think about why we played him over a guy who has a virtually identical minor league campaign as Dustin Pedroia, then I hope someone in our front office shoots themselves.
I think I pulled my swagger muscle...
You are thinking of Velez
Burriss has played fine D everywhere except in the AFL, where he was dealing with knee tendonitis. I think I read somewhere that one scout’s response to his defensive struggles was that he ’didn’t look like himself.’
Granted, questions remain about his bat. But he was actually one of the better OBP men on the team last year, he was even better in the AFL, and his ST OBP is .423-his best of all three leagues. He will probably always be a slappy hitter, but I think he could easily turn into a Ryan Theriot type of player, which has plenty of value.
at short, sure
I expect at least something resembling power at 2b
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Per Henry Schulman, Frandsen is not a happy camper. I can’t say I blame him for feeling shafted:
Frandsen was called into maanger Bruce Bochy’s office this morning for a meeting that lasted about 10 minutes. When he merged, he quickly changed back into street clothes and left, saying he did not want to talk. He looked devastated. He would not even talk to a teammate who approached his locker to ask what was going on.
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
I don't blame him
He has got to be pissed, and I’m a little pissed too. The dude seems to work hard, has a great attitude, and has performed really well in just about every situation hes been put into.
by FairweatherFan on Mar 31, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
If we were able to trade say, Uribe for a player w/ Frandsens exact career record
We would all be wetting ourselves.
by FairweatherFan on Mar 31, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, but we're baseball geeks.
We got excited about Travis Denker and Rajai Davis, too.
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Travis who?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
He was outplayed this spring (not that it matters in my opinion). What did he think was going to happen? Burriss was hitting like Ted Williams and Kevin Fradnsen was hitting like Kevin Frandsen.
and it's better he get to play everyday at fresno
than rot on the bench in the majors
If he has options left the yeah, I am sorta ok with this. Honestly he missed a whole year so some time to catch up in AAA maybe good.
But still…
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 31, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather it be a statement by the Giants that he’s going down there for a few months to make sure he’s back in baseball shape and then switch him and Burriss, or something to that degree. Just leaking it out like this is saying to me that Frandsen’s out of the mix totally.
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by say hey nation on Mar 31, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Decisions left: one reliever and one CF
Its Torres/Velez to choose from now, and otherwise, its who the long reliever likely is. I think Perdomo is now definitely a given, and we can expect Romo and Lowry to be on the DL. Merkin stays. Martinez was obviously to be sent down.
With Aurilia and Uribe plus one of Velez/Torres, you have 13 position players and at least 11 pitchers accounted for. Hinshaw perhaps could be sent down to make room for that long reliever if they did want to add that extra position player and keep Velez as the Frandsen replacement if needed.
Sucks anyway you look at it.
Martinez was obviously to be sent down.
Not sure I follow here. I think that you’re saying that the final pitching slot is between Yabu, Ortiz, and a mystery add-on from outside? Martinez has no shot?
Martinez was consider a spot starter -- but still a starter
Yes, he could remain as the long reliever, but then we’d be giving him the Sanchez treatment.
Ohman was taken today — he’s the one I thought might be the mystery outside guy. There is also the inevitable return off the DL from Romo. Maybe you are right that its either Yabu until Romo returns, or Martinez. God no to Ortiz.
by pittsburghian on Mar 31, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure it really matters if we give Joey the Sanchez treatment. Even I, with perhaps the highest regards of him, only think of him as being a good/solid #5 guy in the majors.
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6 OFs
requires no Holm. Pablo as backup C.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
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I’m a big fan of Burriss and I thought he earned the second base job long ago. But Frandsen’s biggest asset is his ability and willingness to play any position. I suppose the same could be said about Uribe, but I don’t know how you pick Uribe over Frandsen even after factoring in the power.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Mar 31, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions
Well, I’m assuming that if Frandsen didn’t win the 2B job, his utility role wasn’t going to earn him a lot of PT. So, I’d rather him get PT in AAA, I guess. If he’s doing well and Burriss flakes out, bring him back.
With Renteria, Rowand and third baseman who’s just learning the position on this team, I could find Frandsen 400 AB’s this year.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Mar 31, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Boch thought misread “Manny” for “Franny”
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 31, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Allow me to pile on with the hate here. What!? The!? Fuck!? Man, how badly have the Giants screwed Frandsen over here? He was pencilled in as the starting third baseman last year, got badly hurt, and worked his ass off to come back at the end of the year. He did perfectly well in spring, and even if he’s not starting at second, he seems to be our best option as a utility infielder, as he can play second and third. So they send him down!? Ugh. This is stupid, stupid, stupid.
This also pretty much guarantees that Uribe makes the team, which I don’t like either. Sigh.
I’m also surprised about Medders and Miller. It seemed almost certain that at least one would be on the roster. I’m trying to think of what the bullpen will look like without either:
Wilson
Affeldt
Howry
Valdez
Hinshaw
Pedromo
I was rooting for Perdomo to make the roster early on, but he’s looked pretty awful lately. Keeping him sounds especially questionable if they’re going with a six-man bullpen.
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Would you rather Frandsen get solid playing time at AAA or 250 collected PA’s over the season with the Giants (if he even gets that much with Aurilia also on the team)? Frandsen was outplayed in ST (again, not that it should matter) and so he takes a seat.
The difference between Frandsen and Burriss is really small. Too small for all the rage going on in here.
that's exactly the point
it shouldn’t matter. The difference between the minor league careers of Frandsen and Burriss is astronomical, even if the difference in their projections is smaller. Frandsen has earned his shot.
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Not Really
Frandsen Was Always old for any level he played. You are putting way to much stock in his minor league numbers achieved while being older then those he played with. Burriss has always been viewed as having the higher cealing and thus was . drafted much earlier in his draft. You all are one again failing to see the value of scouting. The Giants management (because they know how to scout and not just look at stats) saw enough this spring to conclude that Burriss was the better player. They don’t need the sample size you geeks do because they know and understand baseball at a level you never will.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
A freakout thread wouldn’t be a freakout thread without GRM popping in and acting like a turd, would it?
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I
don’t put nearly as much stock in age as some. And while he might have been on the older side, he wasn’t super old for any of the levels he was playing at, unless you think a college senior out of the draft should start in AA or something.
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With all the progress you’ve made this offseason, this paragraph is like stepping back a year.
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I agree that Burriss has the higher ceiling and actually approve of Burriss as the starting 2B, but wish you could make your comments in a less dickish way.
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Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
I don’t have any problem with Frandsen playing off the bench because (a) he’s, what, 27 or 28? He doesn’t need any more paprika or other seasoning. He is what he is already. (b) I always thought he would end up as a utility player anyway.
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I basically agree, but I’d rather reverse things — give Frandsen a fair shot at the big leagues while the younger player plays every day (at short!) in AAA.
Why? If Manny Is All Ready The Better Player Why Should He Have To Wait?
Kevin is being sent down to get more playing time all around the infield to prepare him to eventually replace Uribe as the utility infielder backing up 2B, 3B and SS. The Giants are doing this because they think Kevin needs more experience at SS and 3B to be able to handle such a role at the MLB level.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He hasn’t shown that he’s already the more valuable player, unless you put WAY too much stock in ST stats.
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by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
oh crap
not this again.
To crib from another thread:
“The numbers are, by definition, equivalent to a player’s production. A player can never produce more than their stats.”
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to clarify that last sentance
“A player can never have produced more than their stats say they did.”
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Dude, you’ve been posting about STATS in all the projection threads. When did you revert to haterdom?
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Now that it is convenient to do so to create the biggest crapfest.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
GIS for 'giants rain man'
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I kinda agree..
You cant ONLY look at stats. If you did, then you would miss out on the toolsy players who just haven’t reached their potential. But also, you can’t ONLY look at scouting reports as some of those toolsy players never reach their potential or some of the lesser skilled players consistently out play their potential.
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A+
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by Josh from Hollywood on Mar 31, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Signing a stopgap solution for shortstop only made sense to me if it meant sending Burriss to AAA for more cumin. The way they’ve handled it is just very confusing to me. But we’ve been over that issue about a million times before.
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Well, going into the season counting on Frandsen at second and Burriss at short and Sandoval at third would be pretty rash. You need some insurance somewhere.
Oh, yeah, certainly. My rosterbation involved acquiring a second baseman and third baseman and putting Sandoval at catcher. An infield of Ishikawa, Frandsen, Burriss, and Sandoval would’ve been off the deep end.
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Not with Uribe and Aurilia backing them up (Rishie could slip in at 1B or 3B, and uribe could step in at 3B, SS or 2B). It would’ve been very risky, but I’d trade Renteria for Frandsen right now, especially once their salaries are weighed into the equation. I don’t hate Renteria, but I think Frandsen still has a shot, and Burriss’ only real long-term value is at SS.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Mar 31, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
me type badd
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by Josh from Hollywood on Mar 31, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
one ticket
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think they were counting on Burriss hitting so well in the spring.
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spring training stats != meaningful
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and
they should not outweigh total minor league production
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Burriss was also an OBP machine in the 2nd half of last year while on the big team.
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Not really, and that came with terrible SLG.
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What's the point of having a position battle
If you just dismiss it when one guy wins?
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I agree I'd rather have Burriss @SS in Fresno..
But we all knew coming into this spring, who ever out hit the other in the spring would start the year at 2nd.. I don’t get why so many people are surprised.
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a) You set up a meaningless way to determine who starts at second base
b) One candidate does better than the other in said meaningless way
c) Not only does the other guy not get to start, he doesn’t even get a spot on the bench because Juan Uribe and Andres Torres are just so great.
d) People say, “Shit that’s dumb.”
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Well, speaking personally, I wasn’t in favor of a position battle. I think Burriss should be getting time in AAA at short, and Frandsen should have been named the 2b starter as soon as he could show he was healthy
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That wouldn’t be a terrible thing, but consider…they went into spring with an open competition for the 2B job, and Burriss has been outstanding. I don’t think you should just ignore that because he’s younger.
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s also the whole pesky Human Emotion thing here. It just seems really shitty to demote Frandsen for no particular reason after what he went through with injuries and everythng last season.
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by Andy from DC on Mar 31, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
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which is computer for I agree.
The other point is – Burriss is young enough to have some marginal starish upside. Frandsen… not so much. If Burriss flops, or Renteria goes on the DL, – Frandsen is starting in SF.
On the sinister side: Frandsen’s miL isoOBP: 0.064… and Burriss is HEY. He walks just as much! WTF, GINTS BRASS
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Uribe hit 2 Dingerz yesterday!!
That makes him on pace for… what, 5, right??
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
Wow! I make no sense today
Maybe Boch thought misread "Manny" for "Franny"
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by say hey nation on Mar 31, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
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by say hey nation on Mar 31, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Must be getting near the time to hit the front office with the Alien Mind Switching Ray again…
Unless this is a shopping exercise this looks like it came from the same idiot desk that gave us the Denker move. I get the argument why this squad would carry 2 veteran utility infielders for the first couple months. But if that’s the route then why not let the guy with the most options and who, even at AAA, would be years ahead of schedule go down for those couple months?
If Frandsen hits the wire I don’t see how the Pads, Pirates, and Royals are not all over him
I will not get into how we hear so much about loyalty and respect for service and yet they ship out that guy that got hurt playing out of position and has yet to get a chance make his case. I guess you have to a free Agent over 30 brought in from another franchise to get that. Skip the RAGE and head to vitrol and scorn as far as I’m concerned.
I guess they could still screw it up worse and make Burriss the utility M.I. and start Uribe, Aurlia & Renteria. Yes, I am looking at you Big Head.
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Six outfielders, no Holm. Just weird.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Mar 31, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope Pablo remembers how to catch, or Bengie has been modified into a super bionic catcher with no need for rest.
by rightcenterfielder on Mar 31, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Velez over Frandsen? WTF?!?!?!
Pro Tip for Front Office: When Giants fans say run DINGERZ.EXE we don’t mean Ortiz.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
This is pretty terrible.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
long man to be determined (Keiichi Yabu, Ramon Ortiz are the top in-house options).
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Also, oblig.
WHY DO THE GIANTS HATE STEVE HOLM?
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by rightcenterfielder on Mar 31, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah! With front office logic like this I still do belong in Exile.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow. Really
Wow.
I love Velez, but over Frandsen?
And how many OF’s does this team need?
by FairweatherFan on Mar 31, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they can convert Ishikawa into an outfielder, too. That way they can get Uribe and Aurilia in the lineup without benching Burriss or Renteria.
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They could have the second baseman and short stop play in the outfield. And the catcher. First and third basemen can cover the infield, and a bucket on its side can do the same job as a catcher, right?
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If we could get a right-center fielder and a left-center fielder, we’d be SET, yo!
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I think the Nationals have about a dozen outfielders.
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Maybe Sabes is confusing the roster with his fantasy team, which starts 5 OFs and instead of dedicated infielders, MI and CI spots.
by GiantsFanInExile on Mar 31, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
you can say that again!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Sabes is confusing the roster with his fantasy team, which starts 5 OFs and instead of dedicated infielders, MI and CI spots.
by GiantsFanInExile on Mar 31, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
This is insane.
They can’t be serious about not having a backup catcher. Baggs says:
But Bochy said Jim Leyritz was able to play every day and serve as his only backup catcher to Ramon Hernandez with the Padres one season.
If Bochy really said that, he’s dead wrong. Leyritz played half of two seasons with the Padres (98 and 99). In the second half of 98 he backed up Carlos (not Ramon) Hernandez but they also had Greg Myers on the roster. Myers started 38 games at catcher to 20 for Leyritz.
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m starting to think that maybe Bruce Bochy is kinda dumb.
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For a week or two at a time I can make my peace with this. If he is selling it as the full time strategy perhaps a series of piss tests are called for.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
In this regard, as with the bit about Ortiz being considered for long relief, I really hope Baggs is just doing some sloppy journalism. Sigh.
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I am hoping he is rattling our cages a bit. Just for fun. It’s not like I haven’t been known to enjoy rattling cages of people I know and I feel he comes here often enough to enjoy the same pass time once in a while.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be very mean but funny as well.
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Early April Fools's joke?
That would be cheating.
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn Holmophobia!
going with Pablo as the only backup catcher and starting 3b is just asking for trouble.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well Velez would be the emergancy Catcher … right?
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Even better
Randy Johnson: emergency catcher
BOOK IT!
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Random thought
It’s unlikely to ever come up, but if it does, who is the emergency catcher? I have a vague recollection of Frandsen having that role in the past, but I might be misremembering.
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I’d really hate to see where the ball went if he ever had to try and throw someone out.
by GiantsFanInExile on Mar 31, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
make it so.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
We should make Velez cath only Zito games, that way we don’t “waste” Bengie on unwinable games!
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by say hey nation on Mar 31, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
which makes me ask yet as again ..
Velez over Frandsen?!?!?!?!?!
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
That's the thing...
…if they really do this, with Sandoval as the only backup, we are way more likely to actually see an emergency catcher.
So for pure entertainment value, I have to second the nomination of Baron Pickoff von Ironglove. At least he’ll be fast running to the backstop to retrieve passed balls!
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
All I have to say is:
WTF.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Mar 31, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions
Two more reasons why this makes no sense
1) This confirms they hate Steve Holm – so why did they flip Paulino?
2) According to Baggs, Yabu and Ortiz are being considered for long relief. Both were demoted a while ago. If they’re being considered for long relief, why were they demoted? What’s changed since their demotions? It’s not like Medders or Miller have collapsed and fallen off the map since then. It’s not like anyone’s gotten hurt.
This just makes me think the Giants are making shit up as they go along. And doing a piss-poor job of it.
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I think Yabu would be OK as a long reliever, but I think Ramon Ortiz might be terrible (because he’s really, really bad at baseball).
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This is not the RUN DINGERZ.EXE we are looking for.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
well
“releasing” Yabu did give them more flexibility re: the 40-man. Didn’t they want to see if there was any legit interest around the league – that is one way of finding out with certainty. As for Ortiz, it doesn’t really matter, since he was an NRI anyway. Maybe he could get more innings somewhere else?
But if he’s going to be our long relief guy, they just have to put him right back on the roster.
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right
but they are likely going to have to add somebody to the roster. I agree that it looks odd, but I can also see why they would tinker like this.
I really don’t. I guess I just don’t see the value of an “innings eater”. I’d really just rather have a better pitcher.
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the value of another reliever who can come in in high(er) pressure situations when others arms are tired is greater than that of a guy who can maybe go three innings instead of two.
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maybe
but you still didn’t say who would come in. I just think the risk of burning the bullpen for extended periods is too high if you bring in a series of 1-2 inning guys in that scenario. One idea is to bring in another starter on his “throw” day, but that would be hard to control. I mean, I’m not sure you’d want to do that with the Unit if it were his throw day.
Bring in whichever MR guy has the most rest for 2 innings, then another MR for 1-2, then go from there
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ok
so you use virtually the whole pen (5 of 6?). Not a problem, in itself. Then maybe 1 or 2 guys are unavailable the next night, so you still have 5 or 6 guys, right? But then this is Colorado, or Arizona, and you get into a big-time slugfest the next night too. This time Sanchez needs to come out in the 3rd, lest we injure his pride. And this time we actually have a chance of winning, so those 5 guys need to cover 6 or 7 innings. Not the end of the world, right? But then it goes to extra innings, godammit…!
Anyway, as you can tell, I think you’re just looking for bullpen abuse if you don’t have a guy who can come in for at least 3 innings. Anyone except Pat Misch.
i am fine win Yabu. I can grin and bear Misch as a pian sponge. Just no Russ Ortiz.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
/ curls up into a ball and whimpers..
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
really though
is 1 inning on the first night of that nightmare 2 game stretch you describe really going to make that much of a difference?
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Let Zito stay in a couple more.
He made the mess, he can clean it up!
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
+109
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
right now they have 4 open spots on the 40-man roster. They could give those to Uribe, Aurilia, Torres Yabu or Ortiz (or another reliever).
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Those guys are getting a spot over Denker.
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The Padres have optioned Denker to AAA and thus seem to be in agreement with the Giants judgemtn that he is nothing special.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Whereas Andres Torres and Juan Uribe are Hall of Famers in the making.
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since we're talking about the 40 man roster
I’d much rather have a young 2b with power getting ABs in AAA with frandsen up with the big club instead of whatever Uribe might have in the tank.
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I’d be perfectly happy with Denker at AAA for us, which makes more sense than someone like Torres, Yabu, or Ortiz being around.
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Perfect long relief solution
Since the giants are more interested in an “innings eater” vs a good pitcher being their long reliever, and the pitcher’s defense is generally not a concern, I vote for Guzman as our long reliever option. I think Cain would be in favor of that!
by pittsburghian on Mar 31, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
One more thing..
I also want to have Guzman swap out as the emergency catcher when he accidently KOs both Molina and Sandoval in the same inning!
by pittsburghian on Mar 31, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Naw, Zorak.
If this team is going for the 9 monlkeys trying to screwing a greease football ( that the same time) look might as well enjoy the “show”.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
If the Giants have 2-3 fringe players they want to hold on to or the schedule makes them use I can see Holm getting his own seat on the Fresno Shuttle. I am not wild about it but I can understand it.
As for #2 perhaps the team needs to stop cutting back on the booze, broads and blow budget?
Obviously some of the brass cause more trouble when not properly medicated.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm still trying to wrap my brain around this...
I mean, really?
What the fuck?
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
this whole thing
just boggles the mind. How much playtime are they expecting the 6th OF to get anyways? It’s just AGUDFHGS
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And wouldn’t you want the guy a guy that has played some passable "d" at like 4-5 spots and was an emergency Cather over the guy that needs to be checked on the dugout steps to make sure he has a glove on the correct hand?
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
You'd think so
or, that’s what I would say if my my head were more than a bloody stump at the end of my neck.
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Another good point.
Unless they’re already counting on Rowand to be banged up…Winn is a very consistent 150+ games a year guy, Lewis and Schierholtz are both young enough to not need a lot of extra rest.
Unless they’re keeping Velez to pinch run…but they won’t be able to have him PR for the slowest guy on the team, because they have no backup. Brilliant.
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Choice!
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Deep thoughts
Does this thread mark Sabean’s lowest approval rating since just before the epic Rohlinger thread?
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and he was doing so well this offseason too.
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nah
he was never doing well. people just wanted to believe that.
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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 31, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
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This rosterbation is making my head hurt. SIX OUTFIELDERS?
On the plus side, we’re about halfway to making this the Biggest Fanshot Ever.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 31, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
The Hail if it is.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Is the 6th outfielder Velez? Does he count as an outfielder?
by chilibean_3 on Mar 31, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
All the talk has been that they want him to be a center fielder, and he’s barely factored into the second base question this spring.
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I think he’s going to get played anywhere they feel like putting him. All the talk has been they want him in center, but it seems like everything they say is bullshit anyway.
That’s really the thing that ticks me off about the recent moves. They say a bunch of stuff like it’s in stone and then change everything out of nowhere a week before the season starts.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 31, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Torres AND Velez really baffles me. Unless Velez is their backup infielder, why have two OFs whose skill set is basically equivalent? And hasn’t Torres shown himself to be the better defensive outfielder of the two by far?
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I’m guessing Torres would ne the backup and Velez will just roam around aimlessly.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 31, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
SCOUTING REPORT!
Velez will just roam around aimlessly.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Well does Von Ironglove realy count as an OF?
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
don’t make me come over there
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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 31, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
On bright spot occurs to me
Since the Giants are apparently carrying 7 relievers after all, hopefully at least this means they won’t further jerk Sanchez around by skipping his rotation spot and using him in the bullpen.
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I just can’t get worked up over this. Sorry.
I thought a few weeks back that if Burriss was the starter, there would be no spot for Fransden, so I’m not shocked at all.
I’m actually really happy that Burriss got the gig. He’s looked great this spring.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
Burriss beat Frandsen. I am fine with that.
But Torress, Uribe & Velez are a better use of 25 man spots? That is the part that just flat out does not compute.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Aurili!
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They’re reproducing? Bochy’s wet dream of an all Aurilia infield is coming true.
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They are all Vinny to him?
Funny that happened the last time he was in a contract year. Oh boy another ray of sunshine.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
If Frandsen was being blocked by compelling or promising players, I would be okay with it. But he’s being blocked by players who are well established as being mediocre at best at this point of their careers. And Eugenio Velez, Center Fielder.
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sure
he’s looked great this spring, in what? 60-70 ABs?
He has a .684 OPS in 820 Minor League at bats, and a .686 OPS in 250 ABs in MLB. Sorry if I’m not super eager to hand him the starting 2b gig.
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Frandsen has a .681 OPS in 351 MLB at-bats
Neither of them is proven at the major league level, but I still say Burriss has done everything to earn a spot. No knock on Frandsen. He’ll be back up before the season’s over, I bet.
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea, but that 350 has been spread out over about a 250 and 100 span while he was a backup/utility man as well. As a starter in the minors he has a .328/.393/.459/.852 line. That ain’t bad, ain’t bad at all.
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It's not bad...
…but minorleaguesplits.com gives an MLE of .266/.311/.355 for that line, for a .666 OPS.
I’m just saying that yeah, spring stats aren’t that meaningful, but it’s not like Frandsen had a huge advantage that was offset by Burriss’ spring.
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the main reason why a lot of people wanted him starting at second is not because Frandsen is great (as I’ve said several times in this thread, I’ve always seen him as a backup), but because we want Burriss to work on hitting and playing shortstop at AAA.
Of course, the guy a lot of folks really wanted at 2B was Travis Denker.
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also
we (or I at least) want to see what Frandsen can do over a full season. He probably won’t be much above average, if that, but he could be, and the only way to find out is to play him. It’s not like Burriss is some super prospect who’s been lighting up the minors.
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I can’t stop thinking about this train wreck of a rosterfuck.
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it looks like I picked the wrong weak to stop sniffing glue.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah glad I at least have IBC Root Beer and some Howlin’ Wolf to listen to.
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Man, I wish I were at home
this would be so much better with beer. (but then again, what isn’t)
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Yeah being not at work would be clutch rightnow.
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by Andy from DC on Mar 31, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I am leaving work in a little while. I can’t stay here and think about this crap.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 31, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Did we clear up the options on Frandsen issue? He still has options left, right? Right?
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
MLB.com story is up...
…and also says “optioned”, so I think it’s safe to say he does. Otherwise it’d say they had released him or designated him for assignment.
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Its not perfect...
but I am happy about a few things:
- Merkin and Perdomo on the roster
This is the decision I was most worried about. I would have been furious if the Giants as a “rebuilding team” had given away one or both of these exciting young arms for free. - No Steve Holm: Pablo gets time behind the plate
Pablo is infinitely more valuable as a catcher, and I feared playing him exclusively at third base would build some weird Sabeanese stigma that he could not be moved back behind the plate in the future. Sure, it will lead to some interesting late inning decisions, but you can’t tell me it wasn’t fun seeing Feliz in catcher’s gear. - Frandsen gets to play every day.
\ducks
It would not have made sense to platoon Burriss and Frandsen. You can have an opinion about who deserved the job (I preferred Frandsen), but the fact of the matter is, the loser needed to be playing every day in Fresno.
But why the hell are both Torres and Velez on the roster?
I’m sorry, but why exactly is it so important for Frandsen to play every day?
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Re#3 I think he is say The Big Head would only have platooned Burriss & Frandsen. This might be correct. But it is a crying howling shame that the front office lets this crap persist.
Put me down for what Chilebean is advocating below.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
My reasoning is that because he missed the entire season last year, he is probably still not back to the level he was at pre-injury. Its not as if he’s a proven major leaguer either…Even though this is his 27 y.o. season, he’s only had 350 ML AB’s with an ops of 681.
There is nothing left for Frandsen in the minors. I’d rather him be the utility guy in SF than the utility guy in Fresno.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 31, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Especially if he is in Fresno because he is being blocked by Uribe and Rich.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 31, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
What’s better for Pablo, to work at one position and not wear himself out? Or to be switching back and forth between 3B and C once a week to start and a few times in the week to replace Molina?
Give me Steve Holm. If this situation lasts more than a few weeks we’re in for some trouble.
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In the short term, I agree that Pablo would be better off sticking to one position. His offense may struggle as a result.
But I don’t understand the argument that playing 3b MOST of the time and C once or twice a week will wear him out MORE than catching ALL of the time… And I think we can agree that he is more valuable as a catcher.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, playing 3B most of the time and C once or twice a week may wear him out more than catching all of the time. If he were catching, he’d probably only catch 140 games or so. He’ll probably break 150-155, with maybe 15-20 of those catching. So he’s playing almost as much at 3B as he would at C plus adding in some C starts and replacements. And he’s used that much because “Well, he isn’t catching all of the time.” It would really be the typical Bochy excuse.
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So, what I hear you saying is that the wear and tear of ~135 games catching < 20 catching + 130 at 3B?
I would definitely disagree. I can’ t offer hard data, but I would estimate the stress of catching to be more in the range of double or more that of playing 3B. Spending an hour squatting every game, making a throw back to the pitcher every pitch, and taking balls off your body regularly that affects catchers and their offensive production.
Yes, Pablo’s offense would be better this season if he didn’t catch. But at 3B his ceiling is good-ish, while at catcher his value is great. Playing at catcher once or twice a week this season keeps the door open for to catch in the future. Whether that is to keep the door open for a similar Posey/Pablo platoon or increase his trade value for the time when Buster finally pushes him out of the way, the point is that PABLO HAS MORE VALUE AS A CATCHER?
Need I remind you how much young, heavy hitting catchers can return in a trade?
I’m also talking about the overall tiredness of the player. He’s just playing more often and I think that yes, he’d be more tired switching from position to position, especially when he has to go into the crouch a couple times a week with his knees not being used to it.
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Even if I were to concede that Pablo will be more tired this season because he catches once a week than he would be catching full time (which I don’t, and strenuously disagree with)….. That would be short-term, affecting his performance this year, and in the long run… PABLO HAS (much) MORE VALUE AS A CATCHER.
Ok…yes, Pablo has much more value as a catcher. And this was your argument? Then I wouldn’t have posted a thing against you. I’m not sure anyone would have.
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The points I was trying to make in the original post… as meddled as it may have become was that playing exclusively at 3b this year and not playing catcher this year could have precluded him from playing catcher in the future by some weird Sabean logic. Intrinsic to that argument is that is that Pablo has more value as a catcher.
If Pablo's the sole backup all season...
…that would have to be more like 30-40 starts at catcher. Molina has started more than 130 games only once in his career and that was last year, when he started 136.
Anyway, my point is that
more Pablo behind the dish
means more Richie/Uribe at 3b.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I am guessing that in the last 2-3 innings of a game with a lead this is already a foregone conclusion. A conclusion reached months ago.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
not after Bengie gets hurt, which is quite the possibility.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
But then people have been saying Molina will break down since he came into the league. I have a hard time getting worked up over it as long as the franchise as viable options for when it eventually happens.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, sure, but he’s going to break down eventually, and now that he’s in his mid-30s it’s more likely than ever.
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Logical and I am not debating it.
What I am trying to say is the fact, after so long, holds no threat to me and so what if he does brake down? I would hate it for his personal life but as a fan yet would a Holm, Sandoval & other at C for rest of the season be shatterring to the franchises future? I think not.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
to sum up:
what the hell is this roster doing on this roster?!?!?!
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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 31, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions
Question:
Does this mean that Buster Posey is currently on the fastest track EVER to the big leagues?
I can’t forsee them going with just 1.5 catchers all year like this….
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Mar 31, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions
i think you are correct, sir.
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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 31, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’ll be in the majors unless he’s a starter. He won’t come up mid season and be Molina’s backup.
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Yeah. I would tend to agree.
I’m just trying to make sense out of the catcher scenario – and am grasping at straws.
Buster Posey was the elephant in the room for a minute….it kinda almost made sense.
Now I’m back to straws. Straws not affixed to alcoholic beverages. Which sucks.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Mar 31, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
bengie molina:
mentor?
Bengie and Buster. Sounds like a childrens show.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Mar 31, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
They are trying to injure Bengie
by playing him in 6-7 games a week. Thus forcing themselves to bring up Posey.
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Brilliant!
Then they can have a roster with zero catchers!
I suggest they trade him for a speedy, light-hitting center fielder.
Anyway, my point is that
No, I think they might be dealing Benjie so Pablo can catch. As I said the other day Betre for Benjie would be a good deal for both teams.
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I’d be incrediby shocked considering they’re already paying Kenji Johjima 24 million dollars over the next 3 years to battle Jeff Clement at catcher. Not that either is that great, but catcher is not a position they need to invest in.
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
Even if that's true...
…why not Holm keeping Posey’s roster spot warm? Why go with a 6th OF instead? It’s not like you’re gonna wear down the OFers in the first month of the season.
Anyway, my point is that
by EliminateMe on Mar 31, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
velez in cf will be like a mutant offspring of the scarecrow and tin man trying to catch flying monkeys
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by Headhunter Rollins on Mar 31, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions
Personally
Velez in CF doesn’t really bother me. What bothers me is 6 OF’s on the team at the expense of Kevin Frandsen.
by FairweatherFan on Mar 31, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
and on a squad that needs to get 400-500Pa’s for its 4th outfielder.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
/ curls back up into a fetal ball whimperring louder
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
YES. THIS. EXACTLY.
ARGH.
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The Giants always talk themselves into a speedy CF/PR who is well behind at least 4 OF’s in the rotation, thinking he’ll PH/PR and play defense enough to justify his roster spot. Then 6 weeks into the season, he has 18 AB’s and they finally realize they have no use for him (especially now that they can’t PR for Molina as much) and get rid of him through release/option/trade for nondescript minor leaguer. [See: Ellison, Jason and Davis, Rajai] The only question this year is whether that player is Torres, Velez, or both.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Mar 31, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Much Better Analysis Then The Rest Of This Pissed Off Crowd
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn’t make it any less stupid.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
Actually What Is Stupid Is All This Anger Over The 25th Man
No matter who he was he would not be playing much in April whien everone above him is fresh and healthy and the team has four off days to boot.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point.
Might as well put me on the roster, then! A month’s worth of $400K league minimum salary would be sweet.
Anyway, my point is that
It’s frustrating to argue with you when you keep on changing your argument. You’ve argued that
A) This wasn’t a stupid move.
B) This was such a stupid move that the Giants are bound to realize it and fix it (by agreeing with Josh from Hollywood).
C) It doesn’t matter if it’s a stupid move or not, because the 25th man is not important.
These are three very different argument. In fact, the first and second arguments contradict each other. I just don’t know how to fight that.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
Context Is Everything
A) It is not a stupid short term move.
B) It would be stupid long term move. (But this is not likely to actually happen long term.)
C) The 25th Man Is the least important in April (expecially an April with 4 days off). So I am content with whomever the Giants think they can get the most value from in this role in April.
by giantsrainman on Mar 31, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh’s point wasn’t that it’s a good move in the short term. It was that it’s stupid, and that the Giants will have to realize it and fix it after a month and a half. That’s different from your (B), and it contradicts your (A). Anyway, I don’t think it’s very important, so I guess I’m kind of with you on ©.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
So what you're saying is...
…they have no capacity whatsoever for learning from their mistakes.
Anyway, my point is that
but in a good way
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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 31, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Can this offspring have scicssor hands? Oh Please! Oh Please!!
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Jesus
I think those of you going apeshit over the 24th and 25th men on the roster ought to read this post for some perspective:
ill take apetit for 2,000
velez in compare it will resemble posterity of the mutant of effigy and tin person, who tries to grip monkeys in flight
by Headhunter Rollins on Mar 31, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the first time in years that our 23-25 man spots could mean anything beyond April of this year. I am going to RAGE enjoy it for all it’s worth.*
*nice link though.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Plus Frandsen will be starting in SF by mid-May or early June anyway (sorry Baron).
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Mar 31, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions
Take that Youth Movement! And Take That Giants fans who want to root for homegrown players under 35!
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by Little Napoleon on Mar 31, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 31, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions
oh boy another imcoming transmission from The Big Head…
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Random thought
Maybe it wasn’t Uribe who pushed Frandsen off the roster. It seems like the Giants had a man-crush on him all along, though goodness knows why. Maybe it’s Perdomo who screwed Frandsen over.
Why do I say this? Well, the Giants have been talking for some time about going with a six-man bullpen. But, going with the Baggs roster, they aren’t – he listed six guy, plus Yabu or (shudder) Ortiz. I’m wondering if, when the Giants decided they wanted to keep Perdomo, they figured they couldn’t do so with a six-man bullpen. After all, Perdomo has looked pretty bad of late, so, at least initially, he probably won’t be trusted with much more than mop-up duty. Thus, the need for another reliever.
This would also explain why they demoted and Yabu only to possibly bring him back. It doesn’t explain why they prefer Yabu to Medders or Miller, though, or why they have a man-crush on Uribe.
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It's a legacy thing...
Juan is Jose Uribe’s nephew, and the Giants know that once the fanbase realizes they can chant “U-RIBE!” from time to time, they’ll forget anything Frandsen ever did. Wait, what did he do again?
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 31, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought he was black.
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He threatens America on TWO fronts!
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Isn’t there supose to be a “k” or two in that?
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
he’s BLacktino
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 31, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I think my head just exploded.
6 OF’s!? I mean…isn’t Schierholtz supposed to get a lot of playing time? When the fuck are they going to get at-bats for 6 motherf’in outfielders!?
And I just cannot understand the choices in the bullpen, and sending Frandsen down…I’m just…wow. I understand Frandsen being superfluous, but that’s why you keep him over Uribe. You’re telling me that if Frandsen was the main backup for 3b, SS and 2B that he couldn’t get consistent at-bats?
And what are they going to do if on May 15th, Burriss is hitting .230 and Frandsen is hitting .330 in Fresno? Swap them? I don’t see how that can be good for either player.
I hate to say that my excitement for the season has been pissed on.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Mar 31, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions
Don't count on 6 OF's
Look for the Giants to scour the bargain-bin for an experienced (translation: old) backup catcher. They trust Holm less than they do Frandsen.
Once they get their Paul Bako, they’ll send down either Velez or Torres (whoever’s playing worse at the time, probably).
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 31, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose I should be grateful they are not talking about picking up Sheffield.
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by daveinexile on Mar 31, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Scary thing is...
If Schierholtz could play center the Giants most certainly WOULD be talking about picking up Sheff.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 31, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Umm…Then what was Paulino?
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You beat me to it, jcb9!
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by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 31, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
A 40 man move to get an arm with upside?
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I realize you’re not speaking on behalf of the GIANTS BRASS!!11, Bay Area Sports Guy, so maybe someone could explain what Steve Holm has done to earn their mistrust. I thought he was a pretty decent backup catcher last year. Cain, for one, had some very good performances with him behind the plate.
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I like Holm, but I think it’s pretty clear the Giants don’t think much of him. Last year, they tried to replace him with freaking Notgardo, and barely played him even when Molina clearly needed the rest. This year, it looked like they were replacing him with Paulino. They didn’t – instead, they dumped him without even bothering to replace him.
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I’m not sure myself what Holm has done wrong, since most of what he’s done hasn’t been televised or covered in great detail.
My guess (and this is only a guess) is that Bochy has a lot to do with this decision since he’s a former catcher. Bochy may not like how Holm calls games, blocks balls in the dirt or his throwing motion…Bochy might have several reasons for not liking him, but he has no reason to tell them to our trusty beat writers.
Perhaps some of the pitchers don’t like throwing to Holm and have said as much to Dave Righetti, who in turn passed that info along to Bochy and/or Sabean. This is all conjecture, but there is definitely a reason why Holm was left out of Bochy’s current 25-man roster.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 31, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re assuming a rational thought process on the Giants’ part. The track record begs to differ.
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I’m not saying the reasons are valid, I just think this is a Bochy decision.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 31, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
If that's the case...
…then they should have already gotten a backup catcher that they did like. I’m sure they could pick one up cheap in trade, say for Jack Taschner or something like that.
Whatever they might think of Steve Holm doesn’t change the fact that a major league baseball team needs a backup catcher.
Anyway, my point is that
They think having Sandoval around buys them some time to find a backup catcher, but I doubt they plan on having Sandoval as Molina’s main backup all year. They better not, anyway.
It’s crazy that Pablo Sandoval is actually younger than Matt Wieters.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 31, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
How much time do you need to find a backup catcher?
It’s not like you have to wait for a midseason salary dump; backup catchers don’t make enough to be worth dumping for salary relief. There’s about a dozen guys they could have signed for cheap this offseason if they wanted an experienced backup.
Anyway, my point is that
Wasn’t Zito pretty much having Holm as his catcher the last portion of the year though? I’m sure this wouldn’t have happened if he didn’t want it.
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That’s true, I’m just throwing stuff out there. I think the most likely reason why Holm has no future in San Francisco is because Bochy is not a fan.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 31, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe a trade
Maybe Sabean wants to trade Aurilia, Uribe, Velez, or Torres and he needs other teams to think he is serious about keeping them on the team in order for other teams to give up any value. I kind of expect one of them to be moved for a prospect, and think that the roster will be a work in progress with people going back and forth from AAA and SF. Also its harder to sneak one of those guys through waivers now then it would be a few weeks from now when other teams have their rosters set. I don’t think they are not gonna go the whole year without a backup catcher, and they have a few arms that will be comming up as well. They obviously want to keep Perdomo and might be trying to work out a trade for him so they can keep him in AAA as well and keep Miller or Medders up. Also I think Frandsen will play everyday in AAA and will be up on the big club at some point. Right now the Giants are just really deep and don’t want to lose anyone yet.
Stop sounding REASONED!!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Mar 31, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t add anything new to the discussion other than my own rage and disappointment. I’m really glad I’m covering the Cal League this summer. It will help me ignore the Giants and their absolute fuckery at the major league level.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 31, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions
aaagh!
I’ve been so caught up in the rosterbation that I forgot there is a game today! Must…wash… hands…
wow i totally missed this thread.
my two cents: stupid.
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My thoughts
1. Frandsen, even though he was a bit outdone this spring, i still would give him the shot. Burriss should be in AAA getting play at SS in case Renteria gets hurt. I just feel that using Burriss in that situation is a waste of his defensive ability.
I’m not saying Franny is an amazing prospect, but im saying he deserved a limited chance to see what he can do. Perhaps the Giants are thinking if they send him through waivers now maybe they wont have to later when other teams may have injury?
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