Project-a-Prospect 2009: Madison Bumgarner
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 26, 2009 10:10 AM PDT
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PrintAs of this writing, there have been over 650,000 comments left on this site. Though a great majority of the comments are funny, smart, or interesting, buried within those comments are huge, steaming piles of wrong. Sometimes the piles are small and isolated, but sometimes they're part of a larger collective of wrong. Sometimes there's an undercurrent of wrong that catches on, and an epidemic spreads. One morning you're fine, and the next you're in bed with puffy eyes, open sores, and viscous wrong getting everywhere. It doesn't happen often, but when it does...
In this case, it's a good thing that there was so much wrong. I enjoy revisiting (and linking to) this thread every couple of months. The histrionics and overreaction are amazing. We were all so starved for homegrown hitting -- and Beau Mills was there for the taking -- that we just completely lost it when Brian Sabean took two high school pitchers in the amateur draft. Well, everyone except for the mysterious and wise giants92388, who stood quietly in the back of the room before announcing that ducks float in water.
Another thing I enjoy: pulling up a site with Madison Bumgarner's stats from last year, and just staring at them. The 164 strikeouts in 141 innings is beautiful, and only three home runs allowed is otherworldly, but then you get to the 21 walks, and words fail. Every young Giants pitcher with a scintilla of promise since Gaylord Perry has also had control issues. Some can fight through the control issues and, oh, win a Cy Young. But even though it was only A-ball, Bumgarner gives us hope that there will be a young Giants pitcher with plus control and plus stuff, a combination that should lead to multiple Cy Youngs and a waiving of the normal five-year waiting period to get into the Hall of Fame.
The Giants are hoping to take it slow with Bumgarner, which probably means that he'll move as quickly as his performance dictates, but it's extremely unlikely that he'll appear in the French vanilla as a teenager. The Matt Cain plan -- cup of coffee when he's 20, and a rotation spot the following year -- seems to be in order. Unless, you know, he gets injured. Or traded for Adam LaRoche when the Giants are seven games back. But lets remember our (revised) project-a-prospect rules:
- Anyone predicting harm, injury, or a crappy trade will be banned. Go cut yourself somewhere else, emo Giants fan.
It's totally silly to predict a young pitcher's performance. So here goes!
Madison Bumgarner
San Jose: 90 IP, 2.69 ERA, 27 BB, 95 K
Connecticut: 67 IP, 2.84 ERA, 24 BB, 74 K
It's ridiculous that I feel like I have to apologize for the pessimism with those stats, but there's no way that Bumgarner repeats his numbers from last year. There's no way anyone repeats those numbers at any level for a decade. The control will be still be plus, but it will be plus in a standard kind of prospect way, not a once-in-a-generation prospect way. If that projection is close, Bumgarner will end the season as a 20-year-old doing well in AA. I haven't been this excited about the top pitching prospect since, uh, the last one. But that's saying a lot.
Of course, we could always ring the Indians up and see if they'd do a Mills-for Bumgarner swap. I'm sure they'd listen.
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im banking on him being in fresno at some point, otherwise pitching will be quite boring there
[Eron] of rowand not any of gamer, the freedom of Robert's [Deyva] was approved! the flow of hot garlic it is free, as the all-knowing spirit of Tim magician justifies us. [priedte] spring, [priedte] hope, [priedte] giants!
by Headhunter Rollins on Mar 26, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions
blerg
i am definitely looking fwd to watching the SJ club this year. so, suck it fresno, you can’t have him :-)
and but so, i have no meaningful projectiles to project.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Mar 26, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
SJ 37 IP 2.15 ERA 12 BB 38 K’s
CT 135 IP 3.68 ERA 29 BB 128 K’s
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Mar 26, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions
I'm offended by your use of the term "stupid stupid reader"
I’m speaking out on behalf of all of us merely stupid readers.
Anagram of "Giants pitcher Tim Lincecum" = TENSE, CLIMACTIC, TRIUMPHING
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Mar 26, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions
For some reason, this comes up when you Goggle Image Search 'thrown down the stairs'
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of course it does
Dodgers fans eat their young.
by redhornet78 on Mar 26, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
He might be making a comeback.
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I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
the cats never lie...
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
REAL MEN DON’T HAVE CATS.
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Yeah, we all have cats because we’re all The Notebook-watching wusses.
Wait, I don’t have a cat – I have a dog. DOES NOT COMPUTE. DOES NOT COMPUTE.
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I picture your dog being a pitbull that gnaws on babies.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that you?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Hey there
I’m not the one with the saber-kitty
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
duh, keep up
He’s a computer. That’s probably, like, howtheyscored or Goofus or jponry* or something.
- THERE ARE NO WOMEN ON THE INTERNET
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Stupid SBN auto-format fail.
I hate auto-format in all its forms.
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I hateauto-formatfreedomAmericans in all its forms.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
I hateauto format freedom AmericansAmerican Cheese in all its forms.
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, Plato hates the shit out of you.
That sounds painful…
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think you understand how much he likes forms. He’s very protective.
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I don’t have a cat.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
WHAT IS THIS INTERSNETZ YOUR TALKING ABOUT? ALL THIS FANCY SHMANCY, OH WAHAT WAS I TALKING ABOUT OH YEAH
GITTERRDUNN GIANTS BRASSSS
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Oh but you do. You have a retarded tiger as your avatar.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 26, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I had the same thoughts about the tiger earlier today
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 26, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Just for gloating purposes, I looked for something recent and found this.
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
huh?
I think NeifiChicken was 1000 kinds of right. More than “ducks float,” he said, “ducks and geese both float, but geese are bigger and meaner.”
guess
AA: 156 IP 121 H 5 HR 51BB 176K 2.34 ERA
MLB: 5 IP 5H 5ER 5BB 5K
Even when Madbum is a stud, I will still dissapprove of the other 4 picks not named Noonan.
Bumgarner, Porcello, Noonan, Todd Frazier, Justin Jackson, and anyone else would have been a heck of a lot better.
Pedro Feliz would look great in Dodger Blue.
Procello looks pretty damned good, but Tim Alderson isn’t chopped liver, either.
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Except for Pedro Feliz…
(Did I do that right?)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
No, not chopped liver
But, I think he was overdrafted and currently overated. I have a very, very hard time gettting excited about RHP who throw 88-92, even if they put up big numbers at a young age. It isn’t that he can’t be good, it’s that I wouldn’t bet on him being more than a #4 starter. He scream Yusimero Petite to be – though Alderson gets more grounders and less K’s. IIRC, he was projected 1-2, so he may have been around at 29. Mostly, I worry about his ability to miss bats in A ball.
Pedro Feliz would look great in Dodger Blue.
I’m pretty okay with Alderson. The last two picks were awful though and Fairley isn’t great either.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Believe Jacks Williams will be better hitter than Gerald Posey.
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Jacks should toe the rubber in the city.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
If they had to take a catcher, there was a better one taken like four picks later! ARGH!
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
GIANTS SCOUTS SAY HE HAS FOUND HIS STROKE!!!!!
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*hits .230/.280/.350 this year*
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Wow, optimistic!
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Jacks has all the tools to play in the city.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 26, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder
I wonder if the Giants had opened their pockets and drafted Rick Porcello instead of Tim Alderson, if Tim would have still been available at #29. Probably too much to hope for, but if the Giants had even Bumgarner and Porcello to go along with Tim Lincecum, they might wind up having three Cy Young award winners again in the future. Maybe even four, since they appear to be stuck with Barry Zito for five more years.
But can you imagine Bumgarner, Porcello and Alderson in the same draft, if that was possible? Has a team ever drafted three such great pitching prospects in a single draft before?
Right
I suspect you’re right. But a guy can dream, can’t he? :)
Have you been able to watch Alderson?
He looks pretty danged good at this point. I know he’s a ways away, but I’m pretty happy with him.
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm.
Maybe he is like Grant.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
Computers can do amazing things these days
even replicate humans.
Maybe this is why we’re all Pedro Feliz. Is it possible we are all really computers?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
You’re no Grant.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
Also on the site
Rafael Rodriguez is one lanky mofo. Looks powerful, though
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 26, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s very Rob Nen-ish
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
the toe-tipping thing is what reminds me of him.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it just me or does he seem to be in fast foward while the background is at a normal pace.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 26, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a robot
(see above)
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
To Alderson, they're more like guidelines.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
I am not buying the Alderson hype yet.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
When you do
Let me sell you some….Grant will rip you off
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
yeah
I’ve asked for a refund on my McCovey membership many times, but every time our phone calls end in him going through a tunnel and cutting out or something.
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
I ask him for child supp… ummm
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
I don’t think he’ll be a frontline starter, but he handled himself pretty well last season for his level. I hate calling SP’s by slot (ie: he’s a #3 pitcher!) but I can see him being a #3.
/hates self
It's ok buddy
We all share your hate :-D
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
At best?
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
Nah
Look at Tim2’s W-L record. He’s a winner. Unlike that other guy
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Timmy Two
Timmy Two has a major league curve ball right now, but his fastball is only slightly above average. Still, he has a lot of poise and command, and I think that he’s little more than a confident change up away from being able to pitch in the majors. I think he needs that change to neutralize left-handed hitters, though.
When I saw Tim pitch the opener of San Jose’s playoffs, he threw pretty close to 40% curve balls. Not quite the snap of Tim Lincecum’s ball and more 10-4 than Tim’s alleged 13-6 (12-6 allegedly doesn’t do it justice!), but Timmy Two’s ball breaks a lot.
13-6...I like it!
Why do you say his fastball is “slightly above average”, out of curiosity? Isn’t it in the low-to-mid 90’s? He seemed to throw mostly fastballs when I caught him in Visalia.
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You do hate Tims, don’t you?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
/looks from side to side
“self…they have figured out your true identity! put down the cream pies and get back to working on 3B skillz!”
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
“It was a bright cold day in April and the clocks had just struck 13”
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 26, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm no scout
But with a name like Porcello, he must be made of porcelain. Pass.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
porcini?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
I was thinking that, too.
It doesn’t matter, either way. He’s either gonna be over-weight or fragile. I don’t care for either one. Pass.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
Chew on this:
In the latest Baseball America mock draft (today) the Giants are projected at Wieters.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
If the Giants took Weiters at 10, they wouldn’t have drafted Posey this past draft. True to Giant form they probably would have taken a pitcher.
With that in mind what combo would you rather have?
A)Posey and Bumgarner
B)Weiters plus a pitcher (Aaron Crow, Ethan Martin)
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 26, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions
The Giants didn’t draft a pitcher until, what was it, the sixth round? So this hardly seems a given.
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I think they probably would have if they didn’t grab Bumgarner in 2007
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 26, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably A
But I’d have to chew on it….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
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by Giant among Angels on Mar 26, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd take C....Weiters/Smoak...or Beckham
Even if they had taken Wieters the year before, it would have been damn near impossible to pass on all the college bats available in 08.
The Giants have a history of taking pitchers, but its not like they have a history of passing on high-uspide college bats like we finally had a chance to draft last year.
But based on just the hypothetical A and B…gosh that’s tough. I’d take A, just because I love thsoe guys and believe in the upside. However, based on what he did last year, you could argue Weiters is worth both of them even though Crow didn’t get signed.
fanofvanlandingham also kept his/her head cool.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
He references a similar freakout over the drafting of Lincecum – did that really happen? I’ve never seen that one.
Man, I wonder if there will ever be a year when the McCoven don’t freak out over the first draft pick. Well, maybe if they pull a bunch of Michael Tuckers and don’t have a pick until the 17th round. Hard to get worked up at that point in the draft.
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Freak out over Lincecum?
Nah, not really. Prevailing emotions were intriguedness and concern about the reports of weird mechanics.
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by EliminateMe on Mar 26, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Ignorant
I must admit to being almost entirely ignorant about draft choices until AFTER the Giants drafted Tim Lincecum.
But when they drafted him, it dawned on me that I should probably research him, since the #10 pick was the highest the Giants had possessed in years. The more I researched, the more I LIKED. I mean the stuff such as was written by Dr. Detecto (weird name, but he knows his pitchers and is from the Seattle area) was absolutely fascinating.
I read such things as that Tim’s arm speed might be the fastest EVER and that his spring off the mound was the best since Nolan Ryan. I read about the elasticity of his arm.
Then I saw the grainy 41-second video at calleaguers.com, and I was hooked forever. When I first saw him pitch in person at San Jose, there was no letdown. Nor in Stockton.
Will Carroll of BP, who has written a rather good book on pitching mechanics called “Saving the Pitcher,” said even before Tim had thrown a pitch above Class A ball that he would take Tim as his franchise pitcher for the next decade. I tried unsuccessfully to use that info and other things I had read and seen to convince John Sickels to make Tim his #1 pitching prospect, but I couldn’t convince him to move Tim above the younger duo of Phil Hughes and Homer Bailey.
Then I saw all of Tim’s home starts for Fresno, and he was unbelievably awesome, as his 0.29 ERA in AAA attested.
I believe Tim had pitched better than his 4.00 ERA in 2007 indicated and predicted he would break out in 2008. I guess one could say that he did.
Finally checking out the link
Grant wanted Kyle Drabeck over Tim Lincecum. That’s why he gets the big bucks!
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yah i lost my head there.
but at least i was using an F bomb in response to an F bomb. It was not just an unprovoked F Bomb.
Someone get Damon Minor's agent on the phone stat!
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by fanofvanlandingham on Mar 26, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what's funny?
1) We already seem to have forgotten the collective freakout over drafting Posey. Everyone loves him now as far as I can tell.
2) giants92388
, who was cool and collected during the Bumgarner freakout, participated in the Posey freakout.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
?
Why did everyone freak out about Posey?
by bondslegend on Mar 26, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG WTF POSEY
I think a few people were bummed and wanted Smoak, but I was OK with Posey*
*I think. I’m waiting for someone to post the thread now and show me freaking out in it.
Posey wasn’t your first choice, but the guy you were threatening to freak out over was Gordon Beckham.
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Good god. He might have the largest head I’ve ever seen beneath that hair.
OMG STEROIDZ
by chilibean_3 on Mar 26, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, the more I look at it the more I’m glad he isn’t a Giant. Good call.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 26, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they would have to dye his hair black and paint an orange SF into his hair, there is no way he can wear a normal hat.
They could’ve tried shaving his head during every inning break.
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O RLY’A does that with his goatee between innings.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
He also looks kind of like a guy from my high school was a real twit, so he has that going against him, too.
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Four popped collars = CHICKS
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I know I’m old, but when did wearing your entire closet become fashionable?
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
There have been times when it’s been really cold and I’ve worn, like, a t-shirt, a sweatshirt, a fleece, and a jacket, but that’s not really the same.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Don't you see the snow?
It’s layering to stay warm!
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
Four popped collars = CHICKS
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 26, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That looks like an artichoke giving birth to a human head.
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 26, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Grant. Now I’m going to have nightmares.
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Don’t forget Taquitos!
By the way, that reminds me I just had Mini Tacos and Taquitos and dipped them in ranch.
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Ugh
I am still recovering from bad mexican food. I am going to puke all over your post.
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 26, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
that boy's got a fluffy animal on his head
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
You know what's awesome about that picture?
Besides the hair, I mean. They were on pick 16 and Gillaspie was the fifth best available player according to Keith Law. We got him 37th.
I know that’s kind of simplifying, but it still makes me feel good.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
Son of Rod Blegojevich?
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 26, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember hating his hair too when I saw him do the interview.
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Almost everybody on that Georgia team last year had the exact same haircut. Poythress had something shorter, but man was there a lot of ESS-EEE-CEE hair flopping around Rosenblatt last summer.
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Check the giants92388 link.
A lot of people really wanted Justin Smoak, because we’ve been starved of a genuine power hitting first baseman since 1993. And a lot of people thought Posey was overrated/would never hit for power/would get hurt/was a one year wonder at FSU.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
I wasn’t on the internet at the time but I probably would have freaked out a bit, if only because I think a lot of us were set on Smoak. But I don’t think the anti-Posey feelings lasted very long after we had him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yeah, as I recall Grant did a, “Don’t freak out, I liked Smoak too but I’m thrilled with Posey post” and things started to calm down.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I usually just believe whatever Grant tells me to.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Hopefully there are more of you by the time I close escrow on the McCompound.
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 26, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying?
Are you saying that the Giants’ draft hopes went up in Smoak? Sorry about that.
by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
YES!
That deserves a rec.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
I liked the fact that after the Giants drafted him, we had a chance to watch him play for FSU in the college world series. His entire family was wearing Giants hats, and every time he got a hit, the announcers would talk about how lucky San Francisco is. That made me feel all warm inside.
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 26, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t… though I don’t think he’ll hit for as much power as I previously thought.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
I was pissed off about his insane contract demands in the neighborhood of $12 mil. Prior to draft day in my Livejournal, I had alluded to him fornicating with himself 12 million times. But we like Buster now that he got a reasonable contract and is hitting good.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 26, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
my feelings exactly.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I freaked out because the way Bud announced his name, it sounded like “Geraldine Posey”
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 26, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus, I don’t think most of us knew his first name was Gerald – I didn’t – so there was this brief, terrible moment when it sounded like the Giants had gone off the board and selected a guy nobody had ever heard of with the fifth pick.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Wil was all for Posey, even with Jacks in the crouch already.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
2008 Draft Board
Final board:
1. Hosmer
2. Posey
3. Matusz
4. Alvarez
5. Alonso
Believe Hosmer is going to be a star and can also play some OF and pitch too. Posey is a manger’s dream: work ethic, responsible, athletic, versatile and can pitch too. Matusz can pitch. Alvarez hammers pitching as does Alonso.
I’ve heard Hosmer was fairly athletic. Just not Fairley athletic
[See what I did there? Do I get a cookie?]
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Mar 26, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably yeah
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Posey is a manger’s dream: work ethic, responsible, athletic, versatile and can pitch too.
GAMER!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, there were quite a few people who hated Posey.
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"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Excited
I was quite excited when the Giants drafted Buster. He was quite highly regarded, and it wasn’t as if the Giants didn’t need a catcher!
Actually, that’s another reason some didn’t want Posey as I recall – we already had a catcher in Sandoval.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
At that time? Eh, Sandoval wasn’t much. He really only busted out at the end of last year.
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"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
I’m still not that sold on Sandoval.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Both
Or maybe it’s just that I’m not as high on him as others.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
The pot thread is somewhere else, buddy.
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
I’m optimistically cautious.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
wait a minute…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
I didn’t know Tim Beckham’s middle name was Lamar.
SURE-FIRE FUTURE HOFER!!!
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
REPLY FAIL
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
I love revisiting this thread.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Mar 26, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
Joy killer D-:
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
TINSTAAPPBMBCBTR
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
This rule can be misunderstood, though. Under the TINSTAAPP rule, there are pitchers and failed pitchers. Bumgarner, by way of his amazing season last year, is not a pitching prospect, he is a fully-formed pitcher.
MadBum
A+: 31.2 IP, 18 H, 8 BB, 41 K, 1.82 ERA
AA: 121 IP, 109 H, 31 BB, 130 K, 2.95 ERA
Something like that, I don’t think he’ll be at high-A for more than a month or so.
He MIGHT get a “Hey, good job, kid” start at Fresno at the end of the year or something.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I just say the Goodell wants to expand the NFL Season by making a couple presseason games regular season games. meh. I really hate when football season starts. All the media is distracted from baseball. =(
Minor White > Ansel Adams
WHOO MORE FOOTBALL
I’m telling you, if you just love both sports then you’re REALLY happy in August/september.
That thread is pretty hysterical even as I was in the camp of people who wanted to drive my car off the overpass.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 26, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions
This thread is hysterical. Next time I’m grumpy I’m coming back here to read xanthan’s thoughts on Gordon Beckham’s hair.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Me too!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Since we’re talking prospects, I love this video of Angel.
http://www.prospecttube.com/video/2136949:Video:274
Listen to the sound of the bat when he hits the ball, crack!
Computers can love
They can hate too
Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.
by ResDog on Mar 26, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what would be on his love chart, then? Besides STATS.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
antivirus software?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
#1 THREAT!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
you forgot Pedro Gomez
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by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
How did we let this pitching prospect slip away?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZHIbDjNXJ4
"Oh, you're Lisa Stevens from Wells Fargo Bank."
"You can't say enough about..." -Buce Bochy
ugliest pitching motion in history?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
that was a very satisfying sound.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Other fun McCoven Freakouts
- The Sergio Romo Accidental DFA thing last year
What else?
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Rolinger (sp?) getting called up
not a bad freak-out…just a general, slow day freak-out.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
please expand. This was before my time
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 26, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It was EPIC
In the middle of it I had to take a BART train to San Francisco to have lunch with my wife, and when I got there, the first thing I did was ask to use her computer to find out if he really had been accidentally DFAed.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/8/6/588061/sergio-romo-designated-for
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
oh
and the extended “Lincecum for Rios” trade rumors. what a terrible month or two.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Were his parents brother and sister or what?
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Now that you mention it...
he also thought the 49ers should sign Jeff George a couple years ago…so yeah.
Is your dad Ralph Barbieri?
If so, shouldn’t you be in school, Tate?
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 26, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
If so, shouldn’t you be in school, Tate?
A little to obsessed with Ralph, are we not?
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Mar 26, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever do you mean?
/Orders Amici’s
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 26, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy's veteran lust (ongoing)
Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense.
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's contract.
..and this 10 is for the World San Francisco fans Classic.
The Precious!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
After going through that thread, I now understand the rule that SloIsLonelyForTheOrange is not allowed on draft day threads unless he takes his meds.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
Where is the link to the most recent draftday thread?
I’ve scanned this page, and keep missing it.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
We were on to the second thread when the actual draft started:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/6/5/546499/open-draft-day-ii
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
giants92388
may hav ebeen right about MadBum, but here’s his comments on Posey:
I hate this team.
Wait…is giants92388 really xanthan?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
I pointed this out hours ago!
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/3/26/811349/project-a-prospect-2009-ma#13420715
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
positiveeuphemism’s constant, burning anger in that thread is kind of hilarious too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
And yet I’M the one noted for The Rage.
Speaking of which, McCoven Trivia time: how/why did the jcb9 rage meme begin?
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
I have no clue, you’ve always seemed pretty chill to me.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I do have my The Rage moments. Like early last year, when the Giants called up Clay Timpner instead of Nate Schierholtz because, according to Bochy, with Dave Roberts hurt the Giants didn’t have anyone who could spell Rowand in CF. There was some capslock rage going on there on my part.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
And I was raging against the machine in that Accidental DFA thread, too.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
THE MACHINES!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I was pretty RAGE’d over the Accidental DFA
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I do like my first comment from that thread
“Next up: Sabean forgets to breathe, passes out.”
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
And this, from Stuttering John Tamargo
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Maybe about the same time the Rush debate started.
Coincidence?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
slightly OT
on ESPN this morning, the female sportscaster used the word “uber” in whatever context it was. I think Nerd-speak is officially mainstream.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
ANSWER
Pre-spring training, the Giants had just released someone or other. Some random guy said something like, “I wonder who’ll be the next guy off the roster – maybe Noah Lowry?”
I responded, saying something like, “I really don’t see that happening. He has no trade value right now and there’s nothing to be gained by releasing him. If he’s hurt he’ll just sit on the 60-day DL, and if he’s healthy he’ll get a chance in the bullpen.”
Then the guy said, “Geez, chill out!”
A third person – I think it was rotorueter – replied, “jcb9, you’ve always been known for your rage and ad hominem attacks. I’m glad someone finally called you on it,” and thus a meme was born.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Heh, yeah, I’ll happily eat crow on wanting Mills in that draft.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
The fact that his first name is “Beau” should’ve tipped you off.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
Madison's name is a little questionable...
Madison is either a last name or the most popular first name in an East Bay girls under-10 soccer league…it’s not a dude’s name. At least Maddy has the best last name in the Giants’ system since “Van Landingham,” unless you count Ron Wotus.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Mar 26, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
is he not doing well? i haven't kept up on him
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Mar 26, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
He hit .293/.373/.506 in high-A last year. Not bad at all, but he’s not looking like he’s major league ready!!!!! or anything, which was the meme at the time and the reason why so many dug the idea of taking him.
Also, I think he kind of sucks defensively.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
2009: The year MadBum became human again
San Jose:
IP: 62.2
ERA: 3.03
BB: 14
K: 68
Connecticut:
IP: 98.1
ERA: 4.11
BB: 39
K: 92
With incremental progress throughout. I think he’ll get hit for the first time in his life in June in Connecticut, but will bounce back in July and August and finish strong.
September callup: Nope. Save the arm.
Hector Sanchez: learning to play defense from older brother Jackson Williams.
Question
In 2008 Bummy walked only 21 hitters for about a 7/1 K/BB rate. Why do people believe that it will change drastically in 2009?
I don't get it either
His command won’t be as good, obviously, but you have to remember he was a 18 year old pitching against 21-22+ year olds who had 3-4+ years experience on him and yet he still schooled almost all of them.
Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 27, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Why
will his command be worse? He was 18, he’ll be 19. Don’t players usually get better with more experience?
Late response, but…
Regression to the mean. Just because Ted Williams hit .400 in a season doesn’t mean you should predict the same for the next season. And Bumgarner’s BB rate was kind of the .400 of pitching prospects.
by Grant Brisbee on Apr 2, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
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