Trade Sense I Am Lacking...
by milesntrane on Mar 20, 2009 2:25 PM PDT
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PrintPitching Surplus + Offensive Defecit + Defensively Adequate = Giants Organization
Offensive Surplus + Pitching Defecit + Defensively Inadequate = Rangers Organization
The Rangers ALWAYS suck at pitching and defense, though they do have a few guys that win gold gloves from time to time. The Giants have a ton of pitching to deal, and they hit like Special Olympic Bowlers [If you take offense with this comment, take it up with the President of the U.S.]. Can't the two sides better themselves with a trade?
Jonathan Sanchez and Andres Torres for Ian Kinsler and Josh Rupe. Someone make it happen.
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Rosterbation leads to blindness
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
We haven't had one of these in a while...
Who would replace Sanchez in the rotation?
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 20, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions
Pedro Martinez!!!!
GIT R DUN GIANT BRASS!
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Mar 20, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
GiNATS BRASSSSSSS!!!
MANNY A-ROD FIELDER
by Giant Voodoo on Mar 20, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
All Zito ever needed to be successful was a friend in the rotation
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by Useful_Idiot on Mar 22, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Why, Kevin Correia, of course...
And Jesse Foppert, and Brad Hennessy, and Jerome Williams, and, and….
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
rangers prefer pitching from players such as Chan Ho Park and Eric Gagne and the giants prefer hitter like Rich Aurilia, Ryan Klesko etc.
I have absolutely no idea what you’re saying.
The Rangers prefer pitching from (two guy who pitched for the Rangers)
The Giants prefer hitting from (two guys who hit for the Giants)
…
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
I think he's saying
Rangers Organization : Scrappy veteran pitchers :: Giants Organization : Scrappy veteran hitters
Sanchez + Torres = Sanchez.
Ian Kinsler is insanely good.
I don’t know who the other Rangers guy is, but it doesn’t matter. This will never ever ever ever ever come remotely close to being the tiniest fraction of possible in anyone’s wildest dreams.
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yeah, uh, what groug said.
I do think there’s some interesting trade possibilities with a team like the Rangers (read something about how Smoak may be driving Chris Davis out of a job sooner rather than later), but Kinsler is pretty much gonna cost you Cain+prospects. No thanks.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Mar 20, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
BIG DEAL!!!!!11
CAIN DONT NO HOW TO WINNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!1
TRADE HIME NOW GINATS BRASSS!!!!!11
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Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
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by S.F. Giangst on Mar 22, 2009 4:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Now I have a headache
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 22, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Point One: The headline makes you sound like Yoda
Point Two: The Rangers have already tried Andres Torres. The fact that they had him a few years back and released him suggests they wouldn’t place too much value in the ’09 version.
Point Three: Sanchez would be the ace of their staff, provided Burlingame product Scott Feldman doesn’t light it up this year, with his new fancy schmancy overhand delivery.
Of course, Point three trumps the first two, so the trade looks decent until you bring up…
Point Four: Ian Kinsler. Are you kidding me? You think that Texas would give up an All Star and one of the best leadoff hitters in baseball for the likes of Sanchez? Impossible. You could throw in all the Special Olympic bowlers you want….no way would Jon Daniels entertain this.
Ian Kinsler...
Is an insanely good hitter. Terrible, terrible defender. They would probably make him a DH if another terrible, terrible defender (Blalock) wasn’t absorbing that spot.
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
Plus, Sanchez is going to be riddiculously good this year.
So there…
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
Sure...
18, 22, 24, 25, 44, and 55
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
Kinsler isn’t a great defender, but terrible is going a bit far. He’s a bit below average.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Terrible
A bit below average at a spot where more chances come than any other position besides SS
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
The worst part is that I’m playing as Bumgarner.
So now I’m a starting pitcher for the Rangers.
I has a sad.
do you have a ranch in Texas?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Mar 20, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You can do a career as a player? FUCK, MLB 2K9 sucks ass.
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Why the hell would the Rangers do that?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Because
They would be gaining something that they have NOTHING of… starting pitching. And would lose something that they have too much of…. hitting
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
They have no starting pitching? Do you have any idea how good the Rangers farm system is right now?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
And then they trade Neftali Perez for Angel Villalona. Even Steven.
by biff pocoroba on Mar 20, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
And they’re a good hitting team, but I wouldn’t say they have “too much” hitting.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Look
When you lead the league in every offensive category [exaggeration], and are last in the league in every pitching and defensive category [not much of an exaggeration], then you have too much hitting. They need to trade some of their hitting away.
And their pitching prospects may be good, but they are far from proven. Sanchez is pretty much proven. He’s at least a proven 3 in their rotation, if not 2. If they bolstered their starting staff, and traded away one of their surplus bats, it may lead to more wins.
Economically it makes sense as well. Sanchez may or may not be cheaper now, but he will be soon. There’s no way that Sanchez is going to command the kind of salary that Kinsler will. Texas is going to lose Kinsler when his contract runsout because they won’t be able to afford him.
It’s not even a Win-Now mentality. They’d most likely be able to make room for Sanchez on their payroll. As far as Kinsler… probably not
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
Sanchez is proven? I love the guy, I think he’s going to be good but a) he has a career ERA+ of 85 and was at 87 last year, b) didn’t have enough stamina to make it through a full season last year and c) has a ridiculously high walk rate. The guy hasn’t proven shit yet, especially not that he’s worth Ian Kinsler straight up (which is what the trade would be, essentially.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
you sound like RXMEISTER going off on Cain :-)
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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 20, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
POINT
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MATT CAIN IS THE GREATEST PITCHER IN BASEBALL HISTORY!!!!!!! HE’S JUST UNLUCKY!!!!!
Brian Sabean: continuing to monitor the CC and Manny situations
Is that the mugshot on your pharmacist badge?
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Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Mar 21, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
“And did I mention that they are suppositories?”
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- Fred Lewis?
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Mar 21, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
“Wrecked ’im? Hell, it killed ’im!”
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
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by S.F. Giangst on Mar 22, 2009 4:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Good news, everyone!
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
There’s no way that Sanchez is going to command the kind of salary that Kinsler will.
Yeah, you know why? because he is nowhere near as good
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 20, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay
Bill Gates has alot of money, but no apples. An apple salesman has a lot of apples but not a lot of money. The Apple salesman offers Bill Gates 100 apples for 1 million dollars, i mean why wouldnt Gates do it, he loses soemthing he has alot of to get something he doesnt have. Its a win-win.
Those harbinger make me smile more than the fracture of Manny on the teammate.
Get important hitting.
Yea...
That’s not a real helpful similie. It’s silly, and exaggerrated. Not to mention, sort of offensive to my intellect. I am now reminded of why I dissappear from this site for months at a time. On that note… adieu.
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
I am now reminded of why I dissappear from this site for months at a time
Hey , did anybody else hear something…elitist?
OK if I adopt Randy Johnson?
"What kind of a stupid question is that?"
by victor frankenstein on Mar 20, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Look you had a bad idea, understand it will get shelled, all-stars don’t get traded for 26 (27?) year old pitchers who simply tantalize with upside and have proved nothing. You can’t get all huffy because you had one bad trade proposal. You know what, try that in a video game and see if it works, because it still won’t.
Why does Sabean always look constipated?
by TexasRanger on Mar 21, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely! Fiat money IS inevitably ruinous!
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Mar 22, 2009 4:44 AM PDT up reply actions
… Because he could go to the supermarket and get 100 apples for a tad less than 1 million dollars. Seriously, you really think that if the Rangers wanted to trade Kinsler, they couldn’t get more in return than Sanchez?
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
by Useful_Idiot on Mar 22, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The Rangers wouldn't do this
simply because they don’t have anyone to replace Kinsler, plus his contract is pretty good for them. And he’s not THAT bad of a defender (probably -5 to -7 true talent level)… and his offense more than makes up for it.
BTW, the Rangers actually don’t have too many great hitters.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
Hijack your love.
Don’t know about anyone else but I sort of want to see what Andres Torres can do long term.
OK if I adopt Randy Johnson?
"What kind of a stupid question is that?"
by victor frankenstein on Mar 20, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
We'll get a chance in Fresno
I like his speed though.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 20, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
11 seasons isn’t long term enough for you?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 20, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
This was the first time I saw a writer actually say that Torres has a good chance at making the 25-man to start the year.
For the lazy folk:
–Credit to the Giants front office and scouts for signing Guzman and Andres Torres, two six-year minor league free agents. Torres looks to have a place on the team and Guzman, despite his defensive deficiencies, has a potent bat that might be difficult to ignore in the longer term.
by deuce deuce on Mar 20, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Andres Torres has a place on the team when Nate Schierholtz is out of options? Okay.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 21, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Rangers = One of the BEST pitching-prospect teams in MLB.
Neftali Feliz – top-10 prospect
Derek Holland – top-20 prospect
Mike Main – top-75 prospect
Martin Perez – top-100 prospect
Blake Beavan – top-150 prospect
Wilfredo Boscan – top-150 prospect
Kasey Kiker – top-175 prospect
Neil Ramirez – top-300 prospect with top-100 upside
Not to mention: Matt Harrison (former top-100 prospect in the bigs now), Neil Ramirez, Kennil Gomez, Tim Murphy, Robbie Ross, Omar Poveda, Joe Wieland, and Wilmer Font.
They have NO need for Sanchez. The Rangers have the best crop of young pitchers (sorry SF and OAK) in the entire game. They are not as strong in hitting propsects, but they are still strong. There is a 0% chance they will trade Kinsler for another SP with question-marks.
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Let me just say that I don't think the Rangers would do this deal.
But counting on Feliz, Holland, and Main to ever make it to the bigs or to stay with the team is probably a bad idea. Just because they have depth in the minors doesn’t mean they will ever have it in the Majors. See DVD.
I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.
Danks and Volquez have turned out pretty ok
Not for the Rangers, but still.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I'm not
saying that they all will. But when you have 7 top-200 prospects, plus ~10 solid prospects, chances are you will be able to throw out at least 5 guys that will be big league adequate. With those big-upside type of guys, my guess is at least 1 becomes an ace and 1 becomes a good #2. That leaves 3 spaces to be filled by about 15 prospects, a pretty good ratio to set. Overall, in about 2-3 years, the Rangers should have great pitching, good hitting, and below-average defense.
I agree that MiL depth does not equal ML depth, but when you have that much depth, it usually equals enough ML talent.
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