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Buster Posey and Pablo Sandoval

In the aftermath of the 2008 draft, I argued that the presence of Pablo Sandoval, who had a ridiculously hot two months in A-ball, shouldn’t have affected how the Giants approached the draft. It would have been silly for them to say, "Well, we can’t take Posey because we have this Sandoval guy catching and hitting well in the Cal League." That seems obvious, but I’d maintain that even if Sandoval were tearing up the majors as a rookie catcher for all of 2008, it shouldn’t have made a difference with the Giants’ draft board. Imagine if the Giants had said, "You know, it looks like this McCovey guy is going to be around for a while at first. We don’t need this Cepeda fella." How would the Giants have obtained Ray Sadecki then? The draft isn’t the place to worry about organizational depth charts; it’s a place to worry about who the best prospect is.

Now Posey’s in the organization, and he’s obviously the catcher of the future. If there were a league above MLB – the Super Hallowed Ethereal League of Immortal Champions, or something – it’d surprise me if Posey couldn’t hit .300 with good plate discipline there. But Pablo Sandoval’s defense behind the plate is probably better than a lot of folks think. It’s almost certainly his best position.

With Bengie Molina around for another year, the Giants are shoehorning Sandoval in at third just to improve the lineup. While I’m fine with the Sandoval-at-third experiment, I’m a little upset that the Giants feel the experiment requires that Sandoval throw away his catcher’s gear. If the initial worry was, "What if Posey blocks Sandoval?" or vice versa, the canned response was, "Whatever. It’ll be a good problem to have."

The more I think about it, though, having two young catchers who can moonlight at different positions would be fantastic. If the best comparison for Posey is a young Jason Kendall, it’s worth wondering what Kendall’s career would have looked like if he only had to catch 100 games a year. If Posey’s bat will play at any position, an ideal situation would be to have him rest his legs frequently by playing him at another position. With Sandoval on the roster, the Giants could do that without losing any offense. They’d move Sandoval from third (or first, if the experiment flops) to catcher once or twice a week, and put Posey wherever they needed to. He played all nine positions in a Florida State game last year, and while that was certainly a stunt, he could probably handle ever y infield position, at least.

This idea doesn’t work, though, if Sandoval is now a permanent infielder. Bruce Bochy and Brian Sabean haven’t completely closed the door on Sandoval catching in the future, but they have said that he won’t be catching at all this year. That’s understandable, for sure. Sandoval is learning a position that he hasn’t played full time since he was at Salem-Keizer, so maybe there’s some sense in having him focus on third base. I just wonder if Sandoval’s catching gear is in storage, or if it’s on eBay.

Of course, this doesn’t come up if Posey is more Steve Decker than Craig Biggio, but assume for the purposes of this discussion that Posey will be a legitimate major league catcher. How do you handle the impending Posey/Sandoval conundrum?

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I’m fully aware that Cepeda wasn’t drafted, by the by.

by Grant on Mar 18, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

so what is our catching situation during our great playoff run of 2012?

do we have posey starting, jackson williams as backup and pablo as emergency? seems to work if grant is right and posey takes a few days rest behind the plate and takes over second. this would be ideal, and when the world ends we can at least say we had a pretty versatile infield.

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by redhornet78 on Mar 18, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Since both will be excellent hitters a position will be found for both Posey and Sandoval. Another catching prospect to watch is Jackson Williams. While Posey haspotential Williams already has the ML tools.

by wilriv21 on Mar 18, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

While Posey has potential Williams already has the ML tools.

wut.

by xanthan on Mar 18, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe wilriv is drunk and/or high on PCP. Think he should toe the rubber and seek treatment.

by xanthan on Mar 18, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s been huffing rubber cement.

by Sabertooth on Mar 18, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can always tell when wilriv is high on PCP because he starts referring to himself in any of the first, second or third person.

Do that means drunk this time.

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by howtheyscored on Mar 18, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had like 20 passed balls last year. As I recall he has a good arm, though.

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by jcb9 on Mar 18, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right because passed balls are always accurately scored. Or wild pitches for that matter.

by Hobbes2d on Mar 18, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I know. And I am, admittedly, pretty ill-informed about defensive stats. Just something I noticed.

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by jcb9 on Mar 18, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool, we’ll just ask Bud Selig if Sandoval can just bat for him.

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by JakeS on Mar 18, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

needle drugs

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by oldjacket on Mar 19, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pablo vs. Buster

Let me attempt to synopsize my previous arguments here. Sandoval appears to be a very good hitter; he may or may not be adequate defensively at 3B, and he probably would be adequate at C for several years. Posey, otoh, appears to be an excellent hitter who should be above average at C, and might be above average at 3B or 2B, and possibly slightly above average at SS.

If so, I’d advocate we ruin Pablo’s knees for the next 4-5 years at C, and encourage Buster to oil up his infielder’s glove – in hopes of maximizing their usefulness to the Giants. By the time Pablo is worn out, we wouldn’t want to put Buster back at C, we’d just draft another C.

Now, if we had James Darnell, Gordon Beckham, and Alcides Escobar in our minors, I’d say “forget Pablo, make Buster the catcher.” But we don’t.

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by Lyle on Mar 18, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

players as razor blades…

by daniel9 on Mar 18, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but the fancified new kind that cost $4 per.

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Mar 19, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there is a mistake here.

There aren’t any other post by Grant under the “posts that bore people to sleep” tag.

by chilibean_3 on Mar 18, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hate to say his name but

he could be like russel martin. he’s doing fine with those things in the south. his knees don’t seem to be bothering him…yet. why not put sanoval at catcher? he’s got the build for it. then put posey at 1st or 3rd so his knees aren’t destroyed.

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by serrapadre716 on Mar 18, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I definitely don’t want to be wasting Buster’s athleticism at 1st. It takes away from his value in a couple of ways. Assuming that we have a real 1st baseman by then, you’d lose a player with a plus-bat (unless that 1st baseman is Sandoval, but I’m hoping it’s not; his bat may not play there) and you waste Buster’s theoretical defensive prowess, especially his plus-plus arm and good range. I mean, the guy was a shortstop for a while at FSU. I’d prefer to have Pablo do most of the catching (at least early on) with Buster at short and then giving Pablo a couple days a week at third while Buster catches. But that’s just me.

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by cornball on Mar 18, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I would like to see Pablo at catcher in the near future…full time. I’m not a fan of moving players around too often on the defensive end. I could be wrong or thinking Buster is so amazing he can play anywhere, but I feel HE should be our 3rd basemen next year. The kid is a baseball god on the rise and I would hate to see his career cut short by the constent squat behind the plate. I love Pablo and is bat will be relied on all year, but I just don’t see him working out at 3rd. Why have a mediocre 3rd in Pablo and a ? at cater in Buster when you could have the best of both worlds? Put Pablo at catcher where he will be a quality defensive player and have Buster at 3rd where he will be a stellar defensiveman. Seems obvious to me going into 2010 ST that this should be our plan.

by jnormous on Mar 19, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ding!

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by cornball on Mar 19, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop being so logical!

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by SoFa King Mike on Mar 19, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

About a month or two I go, I wondered aloud if Posey and Pablo could platoon at C/3B. If they each played about half their games behind the plate and the other half at 3B, they’d both be able to stay fresh as a daisy and the team could keep both bats in the lineup more often. Maybe the idea is catching on.

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by Goofus on Mar 18, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dammit.

I take back my entire post. Sorry, readers. I didn’t realize how asinine the idea was until just now.

by Grant on Mar 18, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?

I hired you fellas to try to get some perspective on the giants, not to jump around rehashing goofus’ posts…

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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 18, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is is.

Groom both Pablo and Buster to play both C and 3B and rotate them, perhaps depending on who’s starting. This way you could always have them both in the lineup without wearing either one of them down with too many games behind the dish.

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by Goofus on Mar 18, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on what the definitition of “is is” is.

by Grant on Mar 18, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit, now I want an It’s-It.

by dmunk on Mar 18, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lemon curry?

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Mar 18, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Epic

Supposedly the song Epic by Faith No More is about an It’s It.

by briandean on Mar 20, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was about to write this exactly

And then I read your post. It might sound crazy by conventional standards but it might actually work given the situation we have..

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by lmaozedong on Mar 18, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's also the problem of Ishikawa

I seriously doubt Sandoval is staying at 3B for long. In the long run (ie: by the time the Giants are in serious contention again), it’s either C or 1B, IMO (and I don’t buy the “scout” in that BA article who says moving Sandoval to 1B will help his offense). If Ishikawa is a passable 1B, it’s going to be hard to justify Sandoval moving there, particularly since both showed some serious platoon splits in their young careers. Also remember: Sandoval’s lack of height is almost as big a liability at 1st as his weight is behind the plate; a 1b’s receiving ability is as tightly tied to his height as any baseball ability can be tied to a physical attribute.

Of course, Posey may not be a passable defensive catcher by 2010 anyway.

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by Bhaakon on Mar 18, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ishikawa

is just manning first until AV is ready. I say this as a big Ishikawa supporter myself.

by SeeingStars on Mar 18, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would absolutely thrilled if Ishikawa could be the starting 1B for that long

by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 18, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Err

How many top prospects spend 8 years in the minors?

by SeeingStars on Mar 18, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

But i’d imagine that it’s about the same as the number that actually fullfill their optimistic projections.

Attrition is high in prospects of all levels. Being signed at 16 also helps.

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by Bhaakon on Mar 19, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ishikawa splits 2005-2008, minors

v.LHP: .256/.341/.435/.776, 30 AB/HR, 28% K, 11 BB%
v.RHP: .269/.356/.512/.868, 19 AB/HR, 28% K, 11 BB%

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 19, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ishikawa's had big splits since his second season

they just keep alternating year to year.

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by Bhaakon on Mar 19, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have signed Ivan Rodriguez.

Problem solved.

Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.

by ResDog on Mar 18, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tim?

I used to have a buddy that went by Rezdog. That’s pretty close. Prolly both reservoir dogs fans.

by positiveuphemism on Mar 18, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a Tim. I was once an Eric. One time in Vegas I was Vincent. And this one night I was a Sara, but I don’t recall much of that night.

Don't think, it could only hurt the ballclub.

by ResDog on Mar 18, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you all see the article on SFGate today where Sabean says that Ishikawa is almost as good as gold at first, but is less sold on Sandoval at third? Any cause for concern here?

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by JRPhillips on Mar 18, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My take

Pablo is an experiment at third, TI is not an experiment at first (just untested in the bigs).
I think the point was TI is ready defensively and the questions about his hitting will best be answered by getting regular AB’s whereas Sandoval’s defensive abilities at 3rd are still an open question. I think as his playing time at third increases and he gets more consecutive days in the field they’ll get a better idea about how the experiment is working out.
There’s cause for concern certainly, but I think Pablo will surprise a bit at third – if gets serious about conditioning as a professional athlete I think he could, over time, be a very good third baseman (soft hands, good arm, catlike reflexes).

by Johnny Disaster on Mar 18, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Catlike reflexes!

The Little Cat! What’s the Spanish for that? El Gato Pequeno? My Spanish – and/or Spanglish – is terrible. Also, Andres Galarraga was looking as huge and ripped as ever in the Venezuelan dugout the other night.

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by cornball on Mar 18, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you’d likely use the diminutive form of the noun (noun + ito), por ejemplo:
El Gatito

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by The Gene Hackman on Mar 18, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice. Thanks.

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by cornball on Mar 18, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That nickname is DOA

getting hit in the face isn’t very cat-like.

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by Bhaakon on Mar 18, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’ve never met my cat.

by Johnny Disaster on Mar 18, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, I was never serious about it. Just body bias (and the combination recent Big Cat and cat-like reflexes sightings).

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by cornball on Mar 18, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see a concern with getting PT at third, my concern is still his ability to man the position. Regardless Sandoval’s bat has to be in the lineup.

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by Giant among Angels on Mar 18, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not against southpaws, it don't.

Actually, it might have to be out of the lineup.

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by Bhaakon on Mar 18, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he turns out to be the best hitter on the team, then he will be in the lineup against both LHP and RHP.

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by Giant among Angels on Mar 18, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

There are plenty of hitters who are/near to the best in their teams lineup against righties, and virtually unplayable against lefties.

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by Bhaakon on Mar 18, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see a team that is starving for offense consistently sit their top bat.

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by Giant among Angels on Mar 18, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can

If he’s got a huge platoon split, defensive issues, and a charismatic veteran platoon partner.

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by Bhaakon on Mar 18, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense I can understand (I am against the idea of him at third). I believe that we will have to see a larger sample size of his splits at the pro level to make a call on that. I understand your points but hands down, I want his bat in the lineup.

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by Giant among Angels on Mar 18, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This

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by Goofus on Mar 19, 2009 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’re talking about a guy who only has about 500-600 ABs against lefties in his minor league career. I’d like to give him more of a chance to prove he can’t hit them. Plus, he hasn’t been atrocious, he’s been around a .700 OPS. Not great by any means, but just a little improvement and he’s not a liability.

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by marcello on Mar 18, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

499, majors and minors.

It’s about as many as he’d see in two seasons of full-time starting.

And a .691 OPS is atrocious.

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by Bhaakon on Mar 19, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a bit more than 499, since that doesn’t include his Rookie ball numbers. Anyways, that many ABs is really no proof either way.

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by marcello on Mar 19, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that sample is an issue

but teams routinely make decisions like this with fewer at bats.

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by Bhaakon on Mar 19, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chone Figgins resembles that remark.

by Johnny Disaster on Mar 19, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming Posey is ready by 2010, we’ll have a year of evaluating Sandoval’s defense at third. If, say at the mid point of this season it’s looking tenuous, perhaps Buster can start taking some innings at third in the minors just to begin dabbling with the experiment. Of course all this means that first base will be solved by opening day 2010 and Sandoval won’t have to slide over there. All of this speculation just makes me realize that Frandsen’s hopes flicker, and wonder where in the hell we are gonna hide Guzman out there to try and get his bat in the lineup eventually.

by Rorealis on Mar 18, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you think the Giants would give him that long?

They’ve struck me as pretty impatient with poor defenders, especially young poor defenders. I don’t see the experiment going on very long if Sandoval hasn’t proven himself at least competent by the ASB.

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by Bhaakon on Mar 18, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I continue to think that Sandoval’s only future MLB position is 1B (put me down for body bias, pessimism, hating the Giants, etc.) which would solve this supposed problem.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Mar 18, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait, you admit to having a body bias (as do I, btw), but then you say you want him at 1B? He’s TOO SHORT. Hello? Is this thing on?

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by Lyle on Mar 20, 2009 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

And he’s right-handed. Some of my best friends are right-handed, but I don’t want them to play 1B either.

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by Lyle on Mar 20, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

 He’s a switch thrower. Actually, he’s naturally left handed but learned how to throw right because he wanted to play third base as a kid.

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by Rorealis on Mar 21, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truly?

Madly? Deeply?

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by Lyle on Mar 23, 2009 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect solution

Trade Molina.
Start Sandoval at C.
Start Raptor Jesus at 3B.

Ok, so it’s not perfect, but it’s what I’d do.

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by marcello on Mar 18, 2009 3:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

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by jponry on Mar 18, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me three

If Benjie can bring back something useful. If it’s just to move him, not so much.

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by Goofus on Mar 19, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The FUTURE!!!!

It is pretty difficult to predict if/ who will be here in the future. What has always made sense to me however is to have Posey Catch, Pablo and First, and Angel in the outfield (probably left- although they said he has a cannon of an arm back in the day).

by OmahaGiants on Mar 18, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why does Sabean always look constipated?

by TexasRanger on Mar 18, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kirk

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 19, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm wrong...

But I thought I read somewhere that Pablo’s original position (in his youth) was at third, and that catcher was a move that the Giants made to see if he could make the switch.

Conveniently, I have no idea where I read this, so I cannot give you a link to back this opinion up.

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by Ott on Mar 18, 2009 4:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Backing up opinions is overrated. Trust me.

by Grant on Mar 18, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is the truth.

I think I heard it from Baggs on the Radio.

I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.

by oldjacket on Mar 19, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I spoke to Pablo...

…and he told me his favorite position to play was catcher, fwiw. Maybe now he’d say that because you get to wear a mask for the bad hops, but this was back in late January, when he knew he’d be playing 3b/1b this year.

by professoratplay on Mar 21, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m on board with them splitting time at C, depending on who’s pitching. Pablo could catch Tim, Cain and Zito, and Buster could catch MadBum and Alderson if they’re both here by then. Whoever’s not catching plays first/third/wherever.

Problem solved.

by The Double Deuce on Mar 18, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Grant, the Giant’s didn’t draft Orlando Cepeda. They signed him as an amateur free agent.

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by WalrusMan on Mar 18, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And Generalissimo Franco is still dead

And that reminds me of a Dave Letterman joke I just love:

Q: What would Abraham Lincoln be doing today if he were still alive?

A: (screams, clawing noise) Let me out!

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 19, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Cepeda than Sadecki

Just because we had Cepeda and McCovey the trade for Sadecki ranks behind the Perry for MCDOWALL and the Nathan, LIriano, Bonser for Pierzinski trade as a terrible move.

by bradleybear on Mar 18, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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by Natto on Mar 18, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was just a sarcrack-in-the-sidewalk, and still we need a rescue team.

by Sabertooth on Mar 19, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we’ll see if they stick with it, but I’d do just what the Giants are doing.

Pablo at third and Ishikawa at first. Pablo probably can’t handle third long term, but you get a year to evaluate his bat alongside Ishikawa’s. I’d still like to see Pablo get some time in at catcher.

Ultimately, I think it comes down to Pablo or Travis at first. I’m liking this Buster Posey guy.

by Dan from NM on Mar 18, 2009 7:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Sandoval proves to be a good hitter, but a poor fielder at 3B, limited (in skills and durability/availability) at catcher and average at 1B… Trade him to an AL club that needs a DH and can send us back parts that we need. (Assuming Ishikawa proves to be a reliable non-platoon player and Posey comes up quickly as a catcher.)

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by S.F. Giangst on Mar 18, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trades are dangerous

especially with Sabean as our GM. I’d rather hold onto a 22 year old who can hit and worry about defense later.

Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.

by SneakToBetterSeats on Mar 18, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are people really assuming that about Travis Ishikawa?

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by JakeS on Mar 18, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming what?

That he can hit as well as Sandoval while playing better defense at 1b? I don’t think it’s insane (granted, more because of Sandoval’s shortcomings as a hitter than Ishikawa’s abilities).

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by Bhaakon on Mar 19, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s possible but not something I’d assume.

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by JakeS on Mar 19, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d ultimately have more faith in Pablo’s bat. His upward plane is looking undeniable. I’m a Ishi fan, but the fits and starts he’s had make me a little less trusting that he’s destined to be an everyday big-leaguer.

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by Goofus on Mar 19, 2009 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but, but, but,...

HE FOUND GOD, DAMMIT!

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by WTF on Mar 19, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you did there

I don’t give a DAMN, YOU know that.

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by Goofus on Mar 19, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the idea of playing them both at catcher to reduce wear and tear but that is much further out of the box than I’d ever expect the Giants to go. I don’t think anybody has accused our organization of being particularly progressive.

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by JakeS on Mar 18, 2009 11:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sandoval's Catch-ability

Deric McKamey of Minor League Baseball Analyst for 2008 season: “Defense at catcher and 3B is below average with low agility, but throws well and has soft hands.”

BA Cal League Top 20: “He looks considerably less comfortable on defense. Though he has arm strength and threw out 46 percent of basestealers with San Jose, his hands and lack of agility work against him at catcher. San Francisco also played him at both infield corners, but his squat body and limited athleticism don’t profile well there either.”

BA Eastern League Top 20: “He has a strong arm, but the scouts contacted for this list who had seen Sandoval catch didn’t believe he could play there regularly in the major leagues. Two managers said Sandoval had problems just physically squatting behind the plate, while two AL scouts both used the same cliché: "He can’t catch a cold.” "

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 19, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts

If the A’s thought that they could play Mark McGwire at 3B to start a season, I don’t see the big deal about starting Sandoval there. He played there all his life and played there in his first season in minors.

He’s not going to hit .350+ or hit out 49 HR, but he makes good contact, else he wouldn’t be striking out so little everywhere he has played professionally while hitting for a nice .307/.349/.456/.805 batting line in the minors.

And I know it’s small samples, but his UZR was positive at both 1B and 3B in 2008. Also, minor league splits defense stats show him basically even, though a bit on the negative side (about -1 win or 10 runs on a full season basis). His 1B defense is better there, so maybe 1B is his eventual position, but I don’t think he’ll embarrass us there at 3B (not like Brenly did at least :^). And if he can hit .800 OPS for us at either position, that’s an upgrade over the previous years for a long time.

Plus, maybe some of these scouts look at his body and just can’t wrap their minds that he might actually be athletic enough to field those positions. They might be prejudging him, based on profiling, and not paying enough nuanced attention to his defensive play. As well, 3B don’t get that many plays per game, that’s the height of small samples, maybe the Giants scouts and coaches have a better view of him since they see him everyday.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 19, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I know it’s small samples, but his UZR was positive at both 1B and 3B in 2008.

His UZR at 3B last season doesn’t mean anything. You just can’t preface it with “I know it’s a small sample, but…”

No! Bad OGC, bad!

/puts you in micro-sample timeout corner

by xanthan on Mar 19, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what type of scouting reports Bengie would get right now. Pretty much with every player that can hit, all you ever read is how they won’t be able to stick at such and such position because of such and such mostly arbitrary reason. I honestly think defensive limitations are overblown in the minors.

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by marcello on Mar 19, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I don’t think defensive limitations are overblown in the minors, but that’s a good point about Bengie. Is anyone looking at Molina and saying, He’s not much of a catcher these days, so maybe we should try him at third?

by Evan on Mar 19, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say...

Move Posey to SS or 2B ASAP and put Sandoval back at C (when Bengie leaves).

Likely an unpopular opinion…

by AmorVincitOmnia on Mar 22, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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