2009 Community Projections: Barry Zito
by Grant on Feb 9, 2009 1:33 PM PST
211 comments
Ah, the yearly community projection series. Every year, I start them too late, and we inadvertently skip someone. Like, oh, the eventual Cy Young award winner. Whoops.
As such, it makes sense to start them earlier. And if we’re starting earlier, it makes sense to start with the players for whom we already have a little bit of information. Barry Zito, for example. We already know that he’s spent the offseason with Brian Wilson, eating space food and throwing baseballs across canyons, or something. Wait, or was that eating base food and watching "Spaceballs" with Christy Canyon? I can’t remember. Hollywood is weird. Whichever it was, Zito worked out really hard.
If you ignore what actually happened in real life, my projection last year was right on the money. I take pride in that.
ZiPS says Barry Zito will throw 173 innings with a 4.37 ERA. Most of the parishioners at the Church of Sunk Costs and Low Expectations would sacrifice small woodland animals in exchange for that performance. The thing is, though, is that most of the projection systems are fairly forgiving to Barry Zito. Baseball Prospectus has him down for an ERA of 4.85. For you abacus-twiddlers, that translates to 2.2 wins over a replacement pitcher. (Just for laughs: PECOTA lists Zito’s comparable pitchers as Vinegar Bend Mizell, who got his nickname from his hometown, Mizell, Kansas, and Russ Ortiz) The CHONE projections for Zito are similar. Over at Bay City Ball, they’ve posted the following projection:
So everyone is expecting Zito to be something close to an average starting pitcher. We’ll take that.
I can’t do it, though. After two years of positive Zito predictions, I’m twice burned, thrice shy. Throwing across a canyon isn’t going to improve control, and control problems are why Zito can’t succeed with a limp fastball in the tradition of Jaime Moyer, Kirk Rueter, or Tom Glavine. The velocity isn’t helping, but if Zito were able to locate his fastball, he would have a chance to be a pretty solid pitcher. And if my 3-point-percentage creeps up above 70%, the Bulls might return my calls. I’m done with the if-onlys.
Barry Zito
IP: 158
ERA: 5.42
K: 76
BB: 88
HRA: 19
TMZM*: 25
*TMZ mentions
Post your own projections, if you would.
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IP: 188
ERA: 4.84
K: 126
BB: 93
HRA: 20
I have a very sophisticated and intelligent system for coming up with these projections. Half a point to the first person who can work out what it is.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 1:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but there’s more to it than that.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just doing quick K/9 and BB/9 calculations for his numbers? That’s what I did at least.
by xanthan on Feb 9, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that sophisticated, no.
Okay, I’ll reveal my great secret: I looked at what he did in 2007 and 2008 and split the difference in each category.
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we call your projection system RAGE?
by xanthan on Feb 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RAGE AGAINST THE BOCOCK
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, it amuses me how similar our projections turned out.
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I honestly didn’t look at yours but basically made mine with a K/9 or 6.0 and a BB/9 of 4.25.
by xanthan on Feb 9, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but '07 and '08 are just his slump years
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
by Persiflage on Feb 11, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
…would sacrifice small woodland animals…
Blood orgy!
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 9, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Come on y'all
we can rape them then pee in their eye sockets!
by Giant Voodoo on Feb 10, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Said the little boy in the red poofball hat
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 10, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a starter
IP – 60
ERA – 3457834975.45
K – 5
BB – 4358
As our lefty specialist
IP – 50
ERA – 2.87
K – 45
BB – 25
Barry Zito – lefty specialist.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
$20,000,000 LOOGY!
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 9, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
" 210. 320 . Whatever it takes"
At least think thats the line Michael Keaton says in Mr Mom to the contractor.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Feb 10, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zito's chance at being good this year...
Zero point Zero.
by Zott on Feb 9, 2009 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zito's chance of falling in love with himself this year...
One hundred point zero.
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to make a Buzzcocks reference, but then I realized that I already made almost this exact same reference months ago, so I decided to just tell you about it instead.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can never have too many Buzzcocks references, though.
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Feb 9, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In other words, eme can’t get enough cock
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 10, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just bad enough to earn our hatred, not bad enough to lose his job:
IP:175
ERA: 4.8
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 9, 2009 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No one needs to earn our hatred. It’s a free gift freely given.
by shanghaijim on Feb 9, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
re-earn
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 9, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That binary doesn’t translate to anything. If I had human emotions, I’d be disappointed.
I’m not even sure if this is pessimistic or optimistic anymore.
IP: 185
ERA: 4.70
K: 123
BB: 88
HRA: 21
by xanthan on Feb 9, 2009 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I actually was disappointed to find out the binary didn’t translate.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 9, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope somebody got FIRED for that blunder.
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly just “CLICK” or “BEEP” or “VISIT MY BLOG I AM XANTHAN.”
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No translations about investment opportunities on the African content?
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Feb 9, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Viliphied on Feb 9, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_To_Text.asp
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..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Feb 9, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
something, something, milkshake, something…
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Feb 9, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I DRINK IT UP!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a new way to swear on-line or sending emails to ISD.
by timmeh on Feb 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by bondslegend on Feb 10, 2009 1:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean
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by Viliphied on Feb 9, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big news everyone
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by bondslegend on Feb 10, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it translates to something!
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hold the binary up to a mirror
''I love this cornbread so much, I want to take it behind a middle school, and get it pregnant.''
- Fred Lewis?
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Feb 9, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of projections
Did anyone ever get declared winner here?: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/3/26/350884/standings
I mean, I know I couldn’t have won. I picked the Padres for second and the Devil Rays for fourth? God God Al Mighty, what was I thinking!? At least I correctly put the Yankees in third place.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Me!
by Natto on Feb 9, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I missed that.
Hey, I was tied for third in most exact predictions, at least!
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Third in most exact predictions
AT BEST
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Feb 9, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since Zito has never in his career pitched fewer than 180 innings or walked more batters than he struck out, and for the first time last year had an ERA of over 5, I suppose that Grant is using the aversive method, like calling the 3-ball in the side pocket but adding “I don’t expect to make it,” so as to exorcise the imminent jinx. Xanthan’s projection looks about right to me.
by campanari on Feb 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 165
ERA: 4.99
K: 85
BB: 85
HRA: 12
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 9, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
I’m totally turning all of these into projections for the Community projection project.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 9, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
VtH: 6*
*Visits to Hospitals
2- for retreiving balls from canyon
1- for eating space food
3- for mistaking Cristy for a canyon and losing his balls in her Canyon
I am on a vendetta to make sports enjoyable to watch again, and Mr. Buck you are at the top of my LIST!!! Mr. Selig don’t get to upset you are number TWO!!!
by say hey nation on Feb 9, 2009 1:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh my. That made more sense after I reread that it said canyon not crayon.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 9, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 120
ERA: 4.54
K: 80
BB:70
HRA: 20
New muscle groups = mid season injury
by Scottsdale on Feb 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also, isn’t referencing Christy Canyon wilriv’s gimmick?
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yea but referencing Seinfeld is my gimmick and he pulls that out every few months or so.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My gimmick is using words to communicate thing.
Damn human race has been ripping me off like a bunch of jerks.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 190
ERA 4.8
K 125
BB 90
HRA 15
by FairweatherFan on Feb 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I pulled these numbers out of jcb9's ass
I hope you all appreciate the level of effort that required!
IP: 185
ERA: 4.55
K: 115
BB: 88
HRA: 22
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 9, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OW
….call me?
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least he filed his nails first.
If I ever meet Lars, I need to remember not to shake hands.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 9, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 180
ERA: 4.68
K: 109
BB: 80
HRA: 25
by DividedByZero on Feb 9, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
IP: 192
ERA: 4.49
K: 139
BB: 92
HRA: 23
Giants! Giants! HELP US GOD!
by j14 on Feb 9, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can someone post the link to the first Zito projection thread? Those were heady times.
by xanthan on Feb 9, 2009 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is pretty funny.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6696573773445122706
by xanthan on Feb 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The scroll is awesome...
Jason Schmidt 3yr/48 million, Dave Roberts 3/18 million. Was this a horrible year for FA signings or what?
I am on a vendetta to make sports enjoyable to watch again, and Mr. Buck you are at the top of my LIST!!! Mr. Selig don’t get to upset you are number TWO!!!
by say hey nation on Feb 9, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we go back in time
and convince the Rangers to go out and get Zito?
Proud supporter of the Fightin' Hydrants.
by Little Napoleon on Feb 9, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Calvin and Hobbes made a time machine out of a cardboard box so I’m pretty sure we could, too. Who has some boxes?
by cornball on Feb 9, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We might screw up and make a transmograhier and end up with an entire staff of Zitos.
C&H fans will get this reference
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 9, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh noes. That would be the worst. No more cardboard-box plans.
by cornball on Feb 9, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love sugar, but I still don’t get this reference.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There was another C&H story-line where he made his cardboard box into a transmogrifier and cloned himself several times. It turned out the cloned Calvins behaved even worse than the original.
by cornball on Feb 9, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, no…don’t even try.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I get it wrong? Cause that happened with the box, too. And yes, I have shelved all cardboard box time machine plans. We’re moving on to other modalities of time travel.
by cornball on Feb 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, don’t even try explaining it to Howie.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s fun to watch people walk right into your trap.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You got it right.
I loved Calvin’s reasoning; he made the clones to do his schoolwork and chores. The only problem was they were clones of him, so they naturally had no interest in doing the homework or chores.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 9, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s like the movie Multiplicity with Michael Keaton and Andy McDowell, except the clones don’t do what they’re supposed to.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 9, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GROSZ!
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get Rid Of Slimy Zitos
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
While you’re at it, please go back in time and kill Scott Spezio’s father.
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Feb 9, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 199
W-L: 12-13
ERA: 4.50
K: 134
BB: 95
HR: 22
SHO: hahahahahahah
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Feb 9, 2009 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 182
ERA: 4.60
K: 140
BB: 80
HRA: 25
Pretty much on the same page as dividedbyzero.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Feb 9, 2009 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 175
ERA: 4.99
K: 68
BB: 70
HRA: 21
Proud supporter of the Fightin' Hydrants.
by Little Napoleon on Feb 9, 2009 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP 163
ERA 4.93
K93
BB 87
HRA 17
Speaking as a parishioner at Sunk Costs and Low Expectations I feel your contentions as grossly inaccurate. Why would we stop at just small wood land animals? Can I get an Amen from the congregation?
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Feb 9, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 185
ERA: 4.80
K: 122
BB: 94
HRA: 24
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Feb 9, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
THE SIX PACK WILL LEAD TO THIS PERFORMANCE
IP: 227
ERA: 3.54
K: 145
BB: 80
HRA: 17
Or it’ll actually be like this
IP: 185
ERA: 4.91
K: 97
BB: 82
HRA: 27
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 9, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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God have mercy on yoru soul if you can read that without translating it.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, I do care that deeply about Yaru.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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And I only get a small one when I think of him.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit I just closed my translator tab!
HAHAHA
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 9, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I buhlieeeeve!
IP: 200
ERA: 3.80
K: 140
BB: 70
HRA: 15
by positiveuphemism on Feb 9, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
…in life after love?
NEW PREDICTION: Barry Zito’s next disturbing celebrity hookup is Cher.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I guess it is better then RuPaul and Cher at the same time…
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Feb 9, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 205
ERA: 3.93
K: 151
BB: 90
W-L: 14-12
by Hobbes2d on Feb 9, 2009 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh
And if Zito is facing a lineup full of Andruw Jones’
IP: 245
ERA: 1.55
K: 380
BB: 77
W-L: 24-5
by Hobbes2d on Feb 9, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
I’d bet on an Andruw Jones comeback more than I would a Zito one
by NeifiChicken on Feb 9, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he is in Texas
Free steroids for all! And not to mention no state taxes and you get to play 81 games in a heated bandbox.
by Hobbes2d on Feb 9, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No HRA prediction?
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Feb 10, 2009 6:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 178
era: 4.9
K: 109
bb: 109
W-L: 9-10
hra: 19
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Feb 9, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zito projection
Ha! Your CHONE’s father was a hamster, and your PECOTA smells of elderberries. My proprietary SCARSONE systems projects:
Barry Zito
IP: 177
ERA: 5.13
K: 69
BB: 83
HRA: 17
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Feb 9, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
MARSCAPONE?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Your 2009 Opening Day starter at second base*: Eugenio Velez
*For the Fresno Grizzlies
by baetown415 on Feb 9, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Projection
IP: 125
ERA: 6.35
K: 44
BB: 92
HRA: 18
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)
by antinous on Feb 9, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
44 K’s to 92 BB…you truly must hate the man, haha
P.S. With those numbers, he’d be lucky to have an ERA under 7
by NeifiChicken on Feb 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What can I say, I'm an optimist
I was counting on a couple dozen pickoffs.
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)
by antinous on Feb 9, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 170
ERA: 4.75
K: 117
BB: 95
HRA: 17
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Feb 9, 2009 2:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zito 09
IP: 177
ERA: 4.67
K: 111
BB: 81
HRA: 20
Starlets: 7
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 190
ERA: 4.65
K: 138
BB: 90
HR: 18
by sanfranfan on Feb 9, 2009 2:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zito will walk less
By my calculations, Zito was actually a bit unlucky with his walk rate last year, given the percentage of pitches he threw for strikes and what not. Still, his HR rate is likely to balloon back up to its normal rate, so it will offset any positive effects.
Let’s see:
IP: 203
ERA: 4.42
K: 140
BB: 85
HRA: 25
Not great, but we’d certainly take that from him (sad to say)
by NeifiChicken on Feb 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’d be just fine with numbers like that from a 4th or 5th starter. Granted it would be a lot nicer if he wasn’t making ace money. :(
by Hobbes2d on Feb 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
precisely
those would be tolerable from Noah Lowry, but for 17.5 million, it’s just painful. Means we’re paying around 8 million per win above replacement, just gross.
by NeifiChicken on Feb 9, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, kinda like
We would be paying Manny 10m per win above Fred Lewis when we sign him to a 3/60 deal.
by FairweatherFan on Feb 9, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It just occurred to me
The Giants’ last winning season was also the last season of Waiting for Boof. McCovey Chronicles has never seen a winning season.
IT’S ALL GRANT’S FAULT!
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by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 2:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can get behind this theory.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 9, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The bad news:
170 IP
5.00 ERA
90 K
80 BB
HRA: 22
The good news: after this year, we’re almost halfway done with the contract!
:(
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Feb 9, 2009 2:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Your good news kinda seems like bad news to me.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 9, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s almost halfway. Damn.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 180
ERA: 4.52
K: 95
BB: 90
HRA: 21
by paboperfecto on Feb 9, 2009 3:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 186
ERA: 4.65
K: 132
BB: 95
HRA: 16
I feel I’m being way too optimistic with this projection, but he pitched much better (for him) in the 2nd half last year and won’t have the pressure of being the “Ace” this year + whatever working out did for him.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 9, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 179
ERA: 4.98
K: 122
BB: 99
HRA: 399
Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.
by Andy from DC on Feb 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think quite a few of those HRs are unearned.
by paboperfecto on Feb 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it all depends on your point of view….
Tentatively adopting Dan Ortmeier. And Boom Goes the Dynamite.
by Andy from DC on Feb 9, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
20.06 ERA just on homers!
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP 195
ERA 4.55
K 130
BB 90
HRA 18
And we will be happy about it.
by out machine on Feb 9, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
TO’s agent would tell us we have 126 million reasons to not be happy about it.
by cornball on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP 73
ERA 6.05
K 45
BB 52
HRA 12
Season is ended by an injury in July. There is absolutely nothing in his career that would justify this kind of implosion. That is why I fear it. (That, and several of his baseball-reference comps seemed to implode at age 31.) Mostly, I just figured that somebody needed to predict an implosion, just to make sure it wouldn’t happen. I don’t really think Zito will do this badly.
Normally, I’m very optimistic. This year, I’m saving my sunny optimism for worthier players.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Feb 9, 2009 3:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeesh. Now it looks like I hate Zito or something. I really have nothing against the guy.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Feb 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the Church of Sunk Costs and Low Expectations. Feel free to barrow a seat. We would like it back when you leave.
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Feb 10, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 201
ERA: 4.26
K: 111
BB: 93
HRA: 17
You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!
by NuschlerFace on Feb 9, 2009 3:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I will calculate my projection soon……………
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 3:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 136.6
ERA: 5.19
K: 77
BB: 61
HRA: 18
A note perhaps explaining how I got my results: When did I ever look up Dan Petry before?
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by WalrusMan on Feb 9, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 199.2
ERA: 4.83
K: 125
BB: 95
HRA: 21
% decline in number of Denny’s meals purchased for him by a sympathetic Giants fan, compared to 2008 season: 100
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
by Kitspool on Feb 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
here’s my rosy prediction:
IP: 195
ERA: 4.25
K: 125
BB: 85
HRA: 24
by microwave donut on Feb 9, 2009 4:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can see into the fyootch
13-13
IP: 199.2
ERA: 4.32
K: 133
BB: 78
HRA: 19
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
by stealth snail on Feb 9, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 177
ERA: 4.96
K: 116
BB: 90
HRA: 18
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 9, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why not split the difference?
5.04?
My plans for 2009: getting married and attending Tim Lincecum Bobblehead Day.
by Kitspool on Feb 9, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5.12 is an extremely scientific number that I arrived at after decades of continuous thought, like all of my posts. 4.96, I pulled out of jcb9’s ass.
I apologize for including it in my initial post.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 9, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zito
IP: 179
ERA: 4.73
K: 95
BB: 99
HRA: 15
by joebirdie3 on Feb 9, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't have
much interest in actually spewing out some projection… but looking at the numbahs and projection systems on fangraphs I find intriguing.
Obvious stuff from looking:
Zito’s walk rate in 2008 was way high. Higher than it was in 2007 (where he also sucked, by FIP he was actually better in 2008)
His HR rate was quite low… but not unprecedented for him. But that’s obviously high variance. 4 more HRs and his HR/9 becomes 1.0. His LD% was also high, but not astronomically so.
I don’t know the typical variance on these numbers, but I have some idea of what the averages are.
His IP numbers have ~steadily decreased from 2002.
Really, there are two possible predictions:
1) He’s done. Stick a fork in him. He’s not the guy he was – the projections that look at years prior to 2007 are all horribly wrong.
2) 2008 was a huge outlier in BB rate, he’s going to come back to normal (this is pretty much what the projection systems are doing).
I am going with 2. Just because, what’s the point of projecting him to be terrible?? The worse he gets, the fewer innings… sample size goes all to hell… giants lose games… don’t want no part of that.
Now the question is… can he get that 6.5-7K/9 back???? YES!
IP: 190
ERA: 4.2
K: 140
BB: 88
HRA: 20
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Feb 9, 2009 4:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you don’t understand our purpose here: to ridicule Zito and, by inference, the idiot that overpaid him.
I’d go with 1) if I were you.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Feb 10, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 195
ERA: 3.99
K: 130
BB: 80
HRA: 16
by scottishgiants on Feb 9, 2009 4:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Which small woodland animals do we need to get this result?
Here comes Captain Obvious wearing his Atomic Wedgie!
by daveinexile on Feb 10, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beary and Squirrely
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 10, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zito projection
W-L: 12-14
IP: 195
ERA: 4.87
K: 126
BB: 97
HRA: 23
by W8ingForATitle on Feb 9, 2009 4:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
pro-yection
IP: 184
ERA: 4.80
K: 112
BB: 73
HRA: 18
Tweens seduced: 4
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Feb 9, 2009 5:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Projection?
Numbers, who needs them?
IP: 190
ERA: 4.83
K: 120
BB: 88
HRA: 20
TMZM: 12
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Your 2009 Opening Day starter at second base*: Eugenio Velez
*For the Fresno Grizzlies
by baetown415 on Feb 9, 2009 5:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
75 of this, 109 of that, and a heaping load of suck.
In the bullpen by the All-Star break.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below.500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
by S.F. Giangst on Feb 9, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zito month-by-month
March: Unveils peculiar new motion during spring training, dubbed “The Reach Around.” Teammates begin avoiding him.
April: Gives up 9 ER in 1 2/3 IP in his regular-season debut. “I was a little too fine today,” he tells reporters afterward. “Next time I’ll have to go out and attack hitters.”
June: Goes on a tear – 5-0, 2.73 ERA. Credits a John Mayer concert at Shoreline Ampitheatre for “correcting his focus” and “helping him to exclude negative thoughts”
July: Begins dating Jennifer Love Hewitt. Everything immediately goes to shit. 0-5, ERA above 6 for the month.
August: Dumps Hewitt. Credits Buddhism with returned “life” in his fastball (81 mph).
September: Abandons “The Reach Around,” promises to “get back to what made him successful in the first place.”
Offseason: “I’m in the best shape of my life.”
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 9, 2009 5:50 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Wow
Except that I think it actually was the Reach Around that made him successful in the first place …
Still-proud, adoptive mama of Notgardo Alfonzo, who's back from the 50-game purgatory. He promises never to do it again. I couldn't get him to promise to hit, though. We're working on that with bribes of M&Ms, kind of like potty training.
by tk on Feb 9, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 9, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I expect to be referring back to this comment many times during the season
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 9, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was an E-level of excellence.
(I miss him)
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 9, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Feb 10, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Something I'm (failing at) thinking about....
Which GM in baseball would be stupid enough to try and trade for Zito if he has a crazy good first half based on W-L, ERA and IP but just a “meh” first half based on his peripherals?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Your 2009 Opening Day starter at second base*: Eugenio Velez
*For the Fresno Grizzlies
by baetown415 on Feb 9, 2009 6:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sabean?
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Feb 9, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
after the way this offseason has gone?
none of them.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 9, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ERA: 4.53
IP: 179
K: 118
BB: 76
HRA: 16
by DuikeBuike on Feb 9, 2009 6:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 183.3
ERA: 3.91
K:131
BB:90
HRA:17
Wins:14
Proud father of Eric Surkamp!!!
by The Thrill on Feb 9, 2009 7:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 112
ERA: 4.68
K: 68
BB: 50
HRA: 13
He gets hurt.
by Evan on Feb 9, 2009 7:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
cautious semi-optimism
ERA: 4.26
IP: 190
K: 134
BB: 86
HR: 18
Less arm, more talk. Raisingcain is a GAMER.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Feb 9, 2009 7:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Poorer-er or More Pore
IP: 166
ERA: 5.23
k: 129
BB: 99
HR: 21
by Fresburg on Feb 9, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zito Brito Frito Neato Ken Dito
IP: 164
ERA: 5.69
H: 182
K: 110
BB: 93
HR: 20
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Feb 9, 2009 8:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh crap....
i ran a baseball mogul simulator about 40 times this off-season and just went through them to find barry’s best results. here we go:
W-L: 12-15
IP: 195
ERA: 5.58
K: 133
BB: 88
HRa: 36
ouch… in most seasons i ended up moving him to the bullpen by august, but this was the best result from a full season as a starter.
my personal, optimistic prediction based on the fact that a brand new work out technique has never backfired on a professional athlete:
W-L: 14-11
IP: 199
ERA: 3.67
K: 140
BB: 77
HRA: 22
if he has a strong start to the season and the fans get behind him i think it will carry over to an entire season of productive pitching. i also think he’s definitely going to break down next season.
Dodgers fans eat their young.
by redhornet78 on Feb 9, 2009 8:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wow, that was the best result? DDDDDD:
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 10, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going optimistic.
W-L: 14-10
IP: 190
K: 135
BB: 88
ERA: 3.66
HRA: 19
proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..
by Azmanz on Feb 9, 2009 9:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
FTW
W-L: 10 – 12
IP: 169
ERA: 4.62
K: 96
BB: 75
HRA: 21
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
Padre renuente de Luis Perdomo, porque él es todo el que se deja hasta junio. The 28th best prospect in all the land!
by Mike Hawk on Feb 9, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Rainman Projections
GS 32
IP 198
FIP 4.50
K 135
BB 89
HR 20
by giantsrainman on Feb 9, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 205
K: 145
BB: 80
ERA: 4.01
HRA: 20
by OmahaGiants on Feb 9, 2009 11:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yabba dabba doo I project you
W/L: 9-13
IP: 170
ERA: 5.14
FIP: 4.90
K: 110
BB: 94
HRA: 23
WHIP ( how come noone’s WHIPing it out?): 1.60
Pulled out of my ass. I might trust the ass of a computer more than my ass for these, but I got a gut feeling.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 9, 2009 11:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
when I actually calculated FIP using my numbers (instead of making up a value for FIP) it came out to 5.97. Ummm well I already made my projections I cant change them now. To amazing defense and luck saving Zitos ass!
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 9, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IP: 183
ERA: 4.83
K: 115
BB: 100
HRA: 20
TMZM*: 25
by Natto on Feb 10, 2009 12:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He puts it together for a nice year, although he still gives up a lot of homeruns.
IP: 210
ERA: 3.85
K: 115
BB: 85
HRA: 24
W/L: 12-10
by non sequitur on Feb 10, 2009 1:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zito in 2009
Walks down. Strikeouts a little down. Homeruns back up.
IP 190
ERA 4.87
K: 121
BB: 80
HRA: 22
W-L: 10-15
Is TMZ mentions by episode or total times they say his name? Because in one episode they could say Zito 30 times…
Appearances on TMZ during season: 7
Kent. Hall of Famer. Giant.
by kennv on Feb 10, 2009 7:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 193
W-L: 11-16
ERA: 4.77
K: 122
BB: 75
HR: 24
Hector Sanchez: learning to play defense from older brother Jackson Williams.
by tedfordfan on Feb 10, 2009 7:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 182
W-L: 13-10
ERA: 3.88
K: 157
BB: 67
HR: 15
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Feb 10, 2009 7:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP:192
W-L 14-9
ERA 3.56
K 133
BB 50
HR 19
by cwelgin on Feb 10, 2009 8:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Where do you guys think....
Zito would be right now if they hadn’t put the clamp down on that new delivery he was developing right after we signed him?
I always wonder what might have been, if Rags hadn’t blown a gasket about that. Maybe that was the tweak Zito needed to remain competitive?
Or maybe it would have led to him blowing his shoulder out and spending the next five years on the DL. Either way, Giants win.
by The Double Deuce on Feb 10, 2009 9:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 164
ERA: 4.83
K: 120
BB: 44
HRA: 27
TMZM: 1
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Feb 10, 2009 10:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A study in irrational optimism
IP: 200
ERA: 3.85
14-12
K: 145
bb: 80
Dingerzz allowed: 20
…or he might lose 20 games.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.
by BrianBokake on Feb 10, 2009 11:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 205
ERA: 4.60
K: 155
BB: 95
HRA: 21
by mxmob33 on Feb 10, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Total Projection
Average ERA: 4.68
Average IP:178.9
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 10, 2009 2:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stop doing my job! /joking/
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Feb 11, 2009 5:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zito stats
W/L 13/13
ERA: 6.66
K: 113
BB: 113
HRA: 26 (2 × 13)
Bad luck and the devil made him do the rest.
Radical Racing
by Radical Racing on Feb 10, 2009 6:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zito was throwing better in the 2nd half
We with see how Zito throws this year. If Zito is bad this year, the Giants made an expense mistake. It has happen to teams before. Welch and Ragetti were expensive mistakes. The only stat that matters is the win-loss stat.
by northsfbay on Feb 11, 2009 4:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
IP: 201
ERA: 4.13
K: 115
BB: 78
HRA: 22
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Feb 19, 2009 10:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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