The Battle for Second (Base)
by Grant on Feb 2, 2009 12:45 PM PST
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On Friday, I claimed that a depth chart with Kevin Frandsen labeled as the tentative starter at second base was hotlinked directly from the sfgiants.com website. Well, I should probably come clean. I actually made the depth chart on MS Paint. I know, I know. I probably should have been up front with you. But it’s full disclosure day here at McCovey Chronicles. I apologize for misleading you.
So I actually took a look at the depth chart up at sfgiants.com, and, ho man, Frandsen is listed waaaaay down on the depth chart list, behind Emmanuel Burriss, Eugenio Velez, Juan Uribe, Steve Scarsone, and Chet from accounts payable. The ESPN depth chart has Frandsen down at the bottom as well, though they’re also listing Conor Gillaspie as the Giants’ backup plan at third, so it’s pretty obvious that they look at a 40-man roster and spend three seconds on the chart.
Long story short: Am I crazy for thinking that the job is Frandsen’s to lose? With Uribe, the Giants have a true shortstop to back up Edgar Renteria, so there shouldn’t be a temptation to keep Burriss for emergency purposes. And it’s just swell that Burriss had a strong August, which helped boost his on-base percentage to an acceptable level. He worked pretty closely with Carney Lansford, so maybe the improvement is for real. But Burriss essentially skipped over AA and AAA after compiling a .285/.347/.337 career line in 820 minor league at-bats. There’s no need to have him skip two levels and make a position switch from a position of organizational need to a position of moderate depth. The argument in favor: 274 semi-productive at-bats in the majors. If the choice were between Burriss and Uribe to start, I’d surely choose Burriss. That isn’t the choice, though.
Eugenio Velez was awful last year in the majors, went down and tore up AAA for 171 at-bats, and then he returned and performed quite well. His defense is still clompy, and his resurgence might have had more to do with luck than skill (check out the BAbip and average-inflated OBP), but he isn’t a completely unreasonable option to start. He did have that fantastic season in A-ball two years ago, after all. Remember that? Velez does. It made him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Burriss-to-Fresno is so obvious that it stings. Velez as a starter is something I can kind of accept. But Frandsen is a career .327/.391/.458 hitter in the minors. For comparison, Chase Utley was a .282/.345/.465 hitter in the minors. That can only mean one thing: Kevin Frandsen is a better player than Chase Utley. It's science, folks.
Seriously, though, it’s easy to sell Frandsen’s minor league career short. He didn’t stall at any level until he reached the majors, even though he was aggressively promoted. His minor league numbers comparable favorably to Mark DeRosa, Mark Grudzielanek, and Mark Loretta, as well as other non-Mark second basemen. It isn't a stretch to peg Frandsen as a .280/.340/.430-kind of second baseman, which isn't something I'd feel comfortable doing with Velez or Burriss. The value of the latter two players would be contingent on other factors (speed and defense) that I'm just not sold on yet.
Of the three candidates for second base, Frandsen has done the most over his career to earn starting consideration. Maybe you disagree with that, citing Burriss as the only player who has hit his weight in the majors. It’s a fair point, but I’ll go with the longer, more consistent track record. Frandsen’s ten stolen bases in the Arizona Fall League don’t mean anything from a projection standpoint, but it sure makes a case that his Achilles’ tendon is feeling alright. He’s my guy for 2009, and I’m mildly optimistic.
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And by “long story short”, I meant “here are 15,000 words on the topic.”
by Grant on Feb 2, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Voted for Frandsen. Additional playing time for Burriss in the minors wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world and the less I have to think about Velez fielding an actual defensive position, the fewer migraines I’ll have.
by xanthan on Feb 2, 2009 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also, for snooty grammarians, did I use the word ‘fewer’ correctly in my sentence? I can never tell.
by xanthan on Feb 2, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. “Fewer” means a smaller number; “less” means a smaller extent. Basically, you use “fewer” when a specific number can be assigned to what’s being referred to, and “less” if there’s not a specific number involved.
For example:
Fewer: Fred Lewis hits fewer home runs than Barry Bonds.
Because you can assign a concrete number of home runs.
Less: Fred Lewis has less power than Barry Bonds.
Because “power” is a more abstract concept – it’s a matter of degrees rather than solid numbers.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I thought, but couldn’t fewer migraines mean a fewer number of migraines?
by xanthan on Feb 2, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think “fewer migranes” is correct. The “less” that was correct was “the less I have to think about Velez”
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m less likely to get a migraine
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by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then you’re referring to the likelihood, not the number of migranes.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m less likely to use fewer – at least, a few times less.
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by Lyle on Feb 2, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except:
You don’t say this costs fewer dollars than that or this takes fewer hours than that.
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by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, now that you mention it, it gets a little slippery with time. For example, I would also say, “I’ve got less than twenty minutes to go,” not fewer.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You do if I’m your editor.
But really you would almost never phrase anything that way — it would be “costs less money that that” or “takes less time than that.”
by Evan on Feb 2, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you should, however
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 2, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No you shouldn’t.
The rule does not apply to time or money.
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by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Time and money are both abstract concepts, while hours and dollars are not. Less time and money, fewer hours and dollars.
by cornball on Feb 2, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said. You’ll make an excellent diagnostician, at the very least, Doc!
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by Lyle on Feb 2, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At the very less!
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by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You would say “The movie lasted fewer than two hours”?
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by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But you would say “I’m going to get fewer than 15 potatoes”?
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No I probably wouldn’t. But this is one of the few exceptions. And of course, there are definitely circumstances where “less hours” would be incorrect: The project took me fewer hours than my class-mate. English grammar is built on confounding exceptions. English grammar is dumb.
by cornball on Feb 2, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the phrase "less than" is different
At least as far as mathematics are concerned. x < 3 reads “x is less than three”, probably because it refers to the concept of three, rather than a discreet quantity. I think this carries over to colloquial english, because we learn about “greater than” and “less than” in school as kids.
by neurofarm on Feb 2, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, I’d never thought of it that way. Very interesting.
by cornball on Feb 2, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
12 items or FEWER! NOT less!
My English teacher always harped on that one. Walmart pissed her off with their signs.
by bondslegend on Feb 3, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's other?
and what does he slug? I can probably be talked into going there.
by CTGiant on Feb 2, 2009 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Frandsen all the way
Although, dammit, Denker might have a better bat than any of these guys.
by pantalones on Feb 2, 2009 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Has Ron Burgandy hijaked MCC
The logic here is infallible
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by say hey nation on Feb 2, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Poor Velez. He’s got 0 votes and Frandsen already has 22+.
by xanthan on Feb 2, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The first vote for Velez will be from FWF.
by xanthan on Feb 2, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG!
Frandsen is a better player, hands down.
by FairweatherFan on Feb 2, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
double take
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
7% of the McCoven like Velez better than FWF does.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EVERYTHING I KNOW IS WRONG
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by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mrs. Goofus says I’m clompy in bed
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by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trying out a new joke
I thought my wife was really getting kinky and wanted to try something new. Then I realizedc she said she want annual sex
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by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like something I would say…heaven help me.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
better than aural sex
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
..sounds interesting…
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by Lyle on Feb 2, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The band’s going into their “Acoustic Sex.”
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gender based on sound? Very interesting.
by cornball on Feb 2, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I vote Frandsen. He needs to get his time to prove his worth.
And no, Sabean, the one at-bat in 2008 doesn’t count.
by deuce deuce on Feb 2, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was there for that one at bat! EXCITING!
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As was I. I believe my exact words when Frandsen stepped into the on-deck circle was “HOLY SHIT, LOOK WHO’S ON-DECK!”
by deuce deuce on Feb 2, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As was I
and I have to admit, I thoroughly enjoyed the at bat. Just a little surprise to end 2008.
I was disappointed when he went down in ST. I would like to see him get the shot to start at 2B. It should be his to lose. Plus, I would not have the anxiety that goes along with BVP (velez) stepping onto the field.
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by nvsfg on Feb 2, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Fail...
Actually, I think it’s BPVIG ( Baron Pickoff Von Iron Glove ) .
Who’s the nickname/acronym monitor this week :-)
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by nvsfg on Feb 3, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Velez subject
When the Giants played the Phillies, Velez started a game or two. Each time he came up to bat the PA guy said his name differently until he finally started mumbling it later in the series. (1st name only)
I am on a vendetta to make sports enjoyable to watch again, and Mr. Buck you are at the top of my LIST!!! Mr. Selig don’t get to upset you are number TWO!!!
by say hey nation on Feb 2, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure an opposing PA guy or announcer has ever said it correctly. Gah however you spell Ueker’s name that guy said it “You-Jean-E-Oh”
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Frandsen
And I don’t think this will be revisited a lot this year. I expect him to hold the position for the year quite comfortably.
by out machine on Feb 2, 2009 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I voted Juan Uribe just to break up the monotony.
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Feb 2, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Passan agrees with you.
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Passan agrees with nnnnnuuuuuhhhhr.
/drooling sound
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by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/finger paints
I am on a vendetta to make sports enjoyable to watch again, and Mr. Buck you are at the top of my LIST!!! Mr. Selig don’t get to upset you are number TWO!!!
by say hey nation on Feb 2, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ARTICLE DONE NOW
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, off to my favorite leisure activity: stapling bologna to my forehead!
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/finger paints
I am on a vendetta to make sports enjoyable to watch again, and Mr. Buck you are at the top of my LIST!!! Mr. Selig don’t get to upset you are number TWO!!!
by say hey nation on Feb 2, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Try to soil yourself like we practiced!
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am backing Frandsen, even though I have no clue how well he’ll perform after a year of doing nothing. On an off topic note, last night I dreamt that the season had started and I rushed to a TV to watch the game. I tuned in just in time to see Randy Johnson striking out a batter to end an inning. The season needs to start now.
by Natto on Feb 2, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Natto, there are some things you don’t even tell your therapist. Dreams about baseball are one of those things.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Old joke
Man goes in to see a psychiatrist. The doc asks “So, tell me about your dreams.”
“I dream about baseball every night,” says the man.
“Every single night?” asks the amazed psychiatrist.
“Yes, every single night” he replied.
“Why don’t you try dreaming about something else – like, your work, or your friends, or your hobbies?”
“What?” replied the man, “and miss my turn at bat?”
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by Lyle on Feb 3, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I crazy for thinking that the job is Frandsen’s to lose?
For whatever it’s worth, Henry Schulman agrees with you.
But most of the McCoven didn’t have very nice things to say about Henry.
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Feb 2, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I like Henry just fine.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 2, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’ve always been a fan. He went on alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants and engaged the supernerds. That was pretty cool.
by Grant on Feb 2, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And even put a reference to Abe Vigoda into one of his columns on their behalf!
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by jcb9 on Feb 3, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On what?
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by WalrusMan on Feb 4, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stuff. This was in the infancy of internet stat nerddom, so the newsgroup types were all “OBP! OBP!”, and Schulman was all “but RBIs?”, and we were like “oh, hellll no. OBP!”, and he was like “hmm, you make valid points, so I’ll start to pay attention to that”, and we were all like “Are you really Henry Schulman? If so, encode the name ‘Abe Vigoda’ into a game recap,” and he did and we were all “OMG!”
So, yeah, he’ll always have my respect because of that exchange.
by Grant on Feb 4, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The infamous article, for those who are interested.
by Grant on Feb 4, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to find the original exchange on Google Groups, but I couldn’t track it down.
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by jcb9 on Feb 4, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"...we were all like..."
/shudders , thinks to self “Your entire group was similar to what?”
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by victor frankenstein on Feb 5, 2009 3:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like both our beat reporters.
It’s our columnists that piss me off.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 3, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
strongly agree
that it’s Frandsen’s job to lose…
Fairley odd parent to Wendell
by WTF on Feb 2, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Burriss. Mostly just to be contrary.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I also insist on calling him Emmanuel, not Manny, because I like long names.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
jcb9’s favorite player = William VanLandingham
by xanthan on Feb 2, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am inordinately fond of him, it’s true.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, I married a woman whose full name is seven letters. Maybe that’s not a good sign for our relationship.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Be sure to give Ms. Letters my regards.
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
“Mrs. jcb” is only six letters
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by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but she didn’t take my name!
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mae West?
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by Lyle on Feb 2, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You missed the 9. There were 8 other people in the database with a last name of jcb.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lucy Liu?
Willriv is gonna kick your ass.
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Feb 2, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I should point out my favorite name for a baseball player, ever: Rance Mulliniks.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doing a search, I am the only person here to have ever mentioned Rance Mulliniks.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's because I spent a lot of time blocking the 1980s Jays out of my mind. Thanks.
I lived my teen years in Niagara Falls, NY, and Toronto is a 70-minute drive from there. I used to see the Blue Jays from time to time.
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by Mayor of 311 on Feb 2, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong with the 80s Blue Jays!
Except maybe the involvement of Fred McGriff. But I liked him back then.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two words: Garth Iorg.
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by Mayor of 311 on Feb 5, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was more of a Manuel Lee fan. Especially since his middle name was Lora.
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by jcb9 on Feb 6, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RANCE MULILNIKS
HA SPOILED YOUR FUN
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU BATHTURD!
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True Story
When I was young and foolish (79 or thereabouts) I was in Kansas City with the Men’s Quartet from my college. One of the guys in the group went to high school with
Rance Mulliniks and they were in town, so I could have gone to the game for free and met him, but I didn’t like baseball at the time so I didn’t even bother. (Kicks self yet again.)
Years later my brother tells me of a friend of his wifes who was looking for a man. As I was looking at the time myself I went down and took her to Disneyland. It was Rance’s sister. We talked a lot of baseball (for I had become converted to the true faith by then) but as she was an American Leaguer and I am of the pitchers must hit persuasion our religions didn’t match so neither did we. Still friends with her, though.
by Shoeless on Feb 2, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep the faith, brother
Let your light so shine before men that they glorify the National League.
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by Lyle on Feb 3, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scipio Spinks.
Heh.
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by victor frankenstein on Feb 5, 2009 3:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite name for a baseball player (modern) is Stubby Clapp
Up for a “sip” of coffee with the Cards in 2001.
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by nvsfg on Feb 2, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No..
that would be “Scrappy” Clapp
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by nvsfg on Feb 2, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boof Bonser is still a winner in my book, if only for sentimental reasons.
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by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always wondered if Rance was short for Rancid.
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Funny you should say that, as my nickname for him was always Rancid Rance.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You and his entire junior high school, I’m sure.
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by EliminateMe on Feb 2, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I expected that to come from Baron.
Perhaps she’s given up on the Emmanuel classes by now though.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His real mom wants us to call him Emmanuel. I know he’s answered to Manny, because I asked him for an interview by calling him that.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Franny
He had some bad luck last year and now it is time for him to put up or shut up. If he’s league average i’ll be very happy. Burriss can go play some AAA that he skipped and get in the playing time he needs, besides, he can always switch over to 2b. Velez makes me cry with his defense and even though he had some late game heroics last year, i agree that he shouldn’t be here in any starting capacity just yet.
by Giant Voodoo on Feb 2, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So, can we call Frandsen a Fransexual? It goes kinda goes with Romosexual.
by xanthan on Feb 2, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I prefer “Fransvestite.”
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
from Fransexual Fransylvania
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a Franny?
Billy Beane loves soccerball, and so should you
by alea iacta est on Feb 2, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
win
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Although..
We probably won’t have as many Fransvestites as we do Romosexuals.
Frandsen just isn’t good enough.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No and NO
Nicknames are supposed to be either a pet name or insult. Doubt if Franny would like either name.
by wilriv21 on Feb 2, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, why should it matter what he thinks of what we call him here? Is he going to read our gameday threads from the dugout and have his feelings hurt?
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea. We only have to worry about that with Cap’t Jack.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My friend called Taschner “Captain Jack” at Fanfest a couple years ago. Taschner just looked confused.
by Natto on Feb 2, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I called him that too at Fanfest, I wanna say 2005. He also looked confused. TK remembers.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
evrytime benjie put down 2 or 3 fingers last yeat, taschner looked confused.
by giantdonkey on Feb 2, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
point
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I thought this name was for people who really like Frandsen, not a nickname for Frandsen himself.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That too.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I too am mildly optimistic about Frandsen this year and I really hope the Burndsenelez mess is fixed in much the way you describe – Frandsen starting at 2nd, Velez the super sub and Burriss starting every day AT SHORTSTOP in AAA.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 2, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is, hands down, Frandsen's job to lose
And if he loses it, It will be Velez. Burriss needs to spend the better part of 2009 in Fresno learning how to play SS and how to hit.
Everything points to Frandsen being the favorite.
by FairweatherFan on Feb 2, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take Frandsen over any of the other candidates, but man, that is one sorry group.
by Evan on Feb 2, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, Evan. Nick Noonan is coming and he’s like Chase Utley but without the power!
by xanthan on Feb 2, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Dan Uggla but without the power.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dream Team
Alex Sanchez but without the speed
Steve Balboni but without the power
2008 Omar Vizquel but without the defense
Dave Roberts but without the VETERAN SAVVY
Rob Deer but without strike outs, walks, and home runs
Phil Niekro but without the knuckle ball
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or the insanely hot wife
I am on a vendetta to make sports enjoyable to watch again, and Mr. Buck you are at the top of my LIST!!! Mr. Selig don’t get to upset you are number TWO!!!
by say hey nation on Feb 2, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamels has a hot wife too!
doesn’t give justice to utleys wife (she works out at my gym!!) OMG!!!
I am on a vendetta to make sports enjoyable to watch again, and Mr. Buck you are at the top of my LIST!!! Mr. Selig don’t get to upset you are number TWO!!!
by say hey nation on Feb 2, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
note to self: become a professional sports player even if it means being a shitty bench player. Zomg sun yue, marko f’n jaric. Remind me never to visit that site again, ok I’m gonna go improve my self-esteem now.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 2, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Random Fun Fact: Jarrod Saltalamacchia is married to his former high school PE teacher. Well, she was a teacher while he was in high school, but apparently he didn’t have any classes with her.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty hot. My PE teachers would be the last people I’d ever marry, if there are any Lowells out there they understand.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 2, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking Ms Keyak but there were plenty of lookers in that department
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 2, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wait, Lowell?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Feb 2, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My high school PE teachers were all older men with gray hair. So.
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So which of them did you sleep with?
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Axt
can you imagine? I really don’t want to.
by UnstoppableTurtle on Feb 2, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do you think he would
mutter about Scotland?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
by zenbitz on Feb 2, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’d mutter about everything.
Safety first. You could put an eye out!
You’ve imagined it! You cant unimagine it!
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 4, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hums Hot for Teacher
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only truly once in my high school days. Although I would have gone for another I guess too.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those wives were hot, but...
Did anyone else get sad when they got to Brett Myers’ wife?
by The Double Deuce on Feb 2, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thought Brett Myers got to Brett Myers wife
by wilriv21 on Feb 2, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. It made me want to run Brett Myers over with a truck all over again.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
he’s a dickhead. Is there a pussier thing to do that hit your wife?
by bondslegend on Feb 3, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's nothing
look at the wife of famed player Ben Zobrist!
meow mirite?
by bondslegend on Feb 3, 2009 1:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meow?
Oh , you’re referring to the invisible cat she’s petting.
This just in...Bobby Estalella can apply oral suction to a deceased pack animal's penile extremity.
by victor frankenstein on Feb 5, 2009 3:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The weird thing about this line is that Noonan actually has pretty good power, considering age & context.
by Evan on Feb 2, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the plate discipline.
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Feb 3, 2009 3:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Bochy would agree. He likes the oldies but he also likes em scrappy. Franny got dicked around the whole infield 2 years ago so as long as Bochy doesn’t fall in love with Uribe I should be satisfied.
I didn’t notice the amount of gayness in this post until I reread it, I swear.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 2, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That, combined with your handle, is funny.
by The Double Deuce on Feb 2, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Velez still has the possibility to be an excellent player.
But Kevin Frandsen is far less likely to make his managers decision to write his name in the lineup card the subject of derision on the next day’s talk radio.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think excellent could be stretching it. Useful…maybe.
He’s fast as hell, though.
by xanthan on Feb 2, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s got some pop, as well as all the physical tools that could make a great defender. That’s part of what makes him so hilariously painful to watch.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get picked off refreshing yourself with Baron Von Iron Glove Cola, ahhhhh
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 2, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
give me what you’re smoking, please. It sounds like fun. I guess I just can’t imagine Velez being more than a utility guy who’s faster than everyone else.
by bondslegend on Feb 3, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4:45 AM
I read “…more than a guilty guy…”
Which explains why he’s faster than everyone else.
This just in...Bobby Estalella can apply oral suction to a deceased pack animal's penile extremity.
by victor frankenstein on Feb 5, 2009 3:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Voted Velez
I am hoping he wins it by showing much improved defense and plate discipline. The guy is exciting and fast. Did I mention he was fast?
I don’t think he will win it, though. He’s just the guy I see with the highest upside.
by positiveuphemism on Feb 2, 2009 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
IF
He has good defense I’d give it to him. Even with his moderate OBP skills he’s a force at the top of the lineup.
IF
He doesn’t get picked off.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
me too.
i want him to triumph over adversity and prove the ‘haters’ wrong.
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Feb 4, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YAY!!
Baseball has started!!
It is on right NOW
/fingerpaints
/staples ologna to forehead
/soils self
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 2:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you mean bologna? Apparently ologna is a sort of gym exercise machine, which would be a much more difficult thing to staple to your head.
Not to bag on your ritual, whatever floats your boat. If what you say is true, I figure it’s time I find my electric eels, maybe a diaper or two.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 2, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My B key only works when it wants to. =/
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hate it when that happens
it can e a real itch
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus it really otches up...
…the ocock jokes.
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Feb 2, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your stealing Jeff Passan’s job.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s practically giving it away.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou...according to Baggs.
by BrianBokake on Feb 2, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BURRISS BABY!!!!!
Frandsen and especially Velez are not major league ready
by Carmelballin on Feb 2, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Burriss is more major league ready than Frandsen?
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by jcb9 on Feb 2, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Frandsen’s 27. If he’s not MLB-ready now, he never will be.
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 2, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE ONLY PLAYED IN ONE GAME LAST SEASON
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
Guys Frod is pitching for Dominican Republic in the Caribbean Series opener. Oh lawd
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yours had more info like allowing Frod to pitch with runners on in a tie ballgame.
I can hear the weeping coming faintly over the breeze…
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should play salsa music in between pitches at all baseball games! heh…
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie Belliard tied the game for DR
It’s Tigres v. Tigres lol. There was a Tiger mascot hanging around with a Venezuela flag around his shoulders like a cape. One guy in the crowd stuck a Dominican flag in the tiger’s cap.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They yanked F-Raud after he allowed 2 runners with 1 out in the 8th.
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Venezuela starter Brad Knox was pitching a no-hitter in the 7th when he was lifted.
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That showboating asshat Carlos Perez struck a batter out
And immediately did he strike a pose.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Venezuela is 3 outs away from winning. 3-2 bottom of the 9th.
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I yearn for MLB Network now.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For baseball, not for FRod.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MILF network?
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For a minute I thought you were telling us there was a pitcher named “Guys Frod”.
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Feb 2, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is pronounced Throat-Warbler Mangove.
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
frod ??
forget that, tell me more about the milf network….
by giantdonkey on Feb 2, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
F-Raud is now pitching for the DR
in the 8th inning of a 2-2 tie game
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GameDay shows temp of 40 degrees
this cannot be correct
by wilriv21 on Feb 2, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but is correct in boxscore 72 and sunny
by wilriv21 on Feb 2, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In lovely Mexicali
I don’t know if it’s lovely, but it sure beats here. They have baseball.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
when Mexico gets jobs will undocumented Americans follow?
by wilriv21 on Feb 2, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's on like Donkey Kong
Pedro Feliciano works a leadoff walk for PR
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent play from Sandoval!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
great pick by Gonzalez too
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn you people with the channel! Damn you all!
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is really awesome. But who are these announcers?
I want to hear a JONRON!!!!
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Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Feb 2, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uri something or other
Man I have a Hispanic last name at least and I can yell JONRON. Give me the damn mic.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The one guy w/ the deep voice sounds like he should be on a novella.
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Feb 2, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW I'm mad that Adrian Gonzalez is a Padre
Because he’s awesome.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tim laughs in Adrian’s face!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LAF
Hey maybe if Phillipines gets a team in the WBC in 2013 he’ll pitch.
[runs away]
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This PR pitcher has a huge crossover step.
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re boy is up
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Feb 2, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching is our weakness. This is why Jonathan Sanchez will pitch for PR in WBC.
Also cannot help but think of boxing whenever hear WBC
by wilriv21 on Feb 2, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IAWTC
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jam Job up the middle. Viva Mexico
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Feb 2, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OH NOES!!
Ruben Rivera is up!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hasn’t played in the MLB since ’02?
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Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Feb 2, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Shit!
The worst baserunning blunderer is up to bat.
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Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Feb 2, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
caught looking at that one.
"While conservatives tell you 'leave things alone and no one will lose,' and liberals tell you 'interfere a lot and no one will lose,' baseball says 'someone will lose.' Not only says it - but insists upon it! ... Democracy is lovely, but baseball's more mature." BVCE supports SF Dugout and Manny Burriss.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 2, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This guy is pitching like he belongs in the Giants bullpen.
THROW STRIKES!
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you build it they will come
How about moving this over to a fanshot gameday?
by wilriv21 on Feb 2, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like he glanced at the umpire, touched home, started towards third, then realized he hasn’t touched first yet, looks at 3rd base coach, heads towards mound, falls down, remembers he didn’t touch second yet, looks at umpire, then remembers that he just struck out, walks to the dug out. WOW! Even his strikeouts are eventful
Giant Dirtbags: Brian Anderson, Todd Jennings, Steve Hammond, John Bowker
Don't F with the Affeldt
by Giant among Angels on Feb 2, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nah
It looks like a very nice day.
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 2, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it is 40 degrees Celsius
…which would be 104 degrees Fahrenheit.
maybe not.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Feb 2, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares who wins the starting job?
There’s no prize for second base!
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Guessing Burriss cares. ML salary and per diem is nice.
by wilriv21 on Feb 2, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. I was spoofing the old saying “There’s no prize for second place”. Guess it missed.
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by Goofus on Feb 2, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh.
Would have thought another old guy would have gotten it.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Second base is just a fantasy
This old guy needs to get out of the box more often
by wilriv21 on Feb 2, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THERE'S NO VELEZ IN TEAM
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Feb 2, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
since the question was phrased
“I’m hoping” the obvious answer is Frandsen. We know the other 3 are bad-to-awful. Frandsen is the one we have the least handle on… so if he does good things™ to win the job, then we can hope that he approaches league-average.
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by zenbitz on Feb 2, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Frandsen
Though I found something interesting today: MannyB’s defense might not be as bad as we (or maybe just I) think.
Over at Minor League Splits, his TotalZone rating at shortstop is pretty impressive. Those figures aren’t park-adjusted and the sample size isn’t huge, plus there’s more uncertainty with TotalZone than with UZR, Plus/Minus, etc., but they still generally give a good idea of how well a fielder a player is.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Feb 2, 2009 7:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's Frandsen Until It Isn't
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by S.F. Giangst on Feb 2, 2009 8:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Where do I get the Kool-Aid?
Frandsen is the one with 151 major league games, right? And only 100 games in Fresno?
If Fresno greatness is the measure, should the Ginats not have started this fellow ?
I’m a big believer in up or out, but I don’t remember seeing anything from Frandsen that made me think he was going to be vorp-alicious. Or anything (except a thin farm system) that says he should be handed 2B.
I’druther see him and Burriss on the roster and Velez in Fresno until he can field a position. Any position. Or until he’s picked up by the Dominican bobsled team (sponsored by Cream of Wheat).
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by natteringnabob on Feb 2, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
“Kool-Aid?” Really? I don’t think anyone’s fawning over Frandsen or anything – just that most people think he’s probably the best option at the moment. Given the state of the lineup, that’s not necessarily an overwhelming endorsement, let alone blind devotion.
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by jcb9 on Feb 3, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted other
Sign Manny Ramirez, put him at second base.
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by groug on Feb 2, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually I voted for Frandsen
I’m so ashamed of my dirty lies.
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by groug on Feb 2, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it's Frandsen, I'm drinking the Kool-Aid
They clearly got Uribe to back up SS plus be the 3B should Sandoval either stall or be a platoon candidate. Initially, I hope they play both Ishikawa and Sandoval every day.
That puts Burriss into AAA to play SS and figure out Lansford’s instructions on how to use his strong arms to hit for more power. Even if he spends two seasons in AAA, he’ll still be only 25 years old, plenty of time to have a good career, and if he has a nice 2009, that gives us another nice option for 2B/SS to think about what to do. Dilemmas like that are nice to have.
That leaves Frandsen vs. Velez, game over, as long as Frandsen is healthy, he should beat Velez handily, just on defense. He deserves the chance he should have had last season. Sometimes life isn’t fair, so hopefully he will get his chance and see what he can do with it. Who knows, maybe hanging around with Dustin Pedroia will rub off something on him and he can rock AT&T.
There is a huge difference between Frandsen and Dallimore: Frandsen was doing his hitting in AAA when he was in his early 20’s, Dallimore did it in his late 20’s when he had, like, a million more years of experience than the newbie or AAAA pitching to him most days. That’s day and night difference, and comparing apples with a dried shriveled apple.
Still, Frandsen didn’t do all that well in the minors except for small samples, so while he shows hints of his talent down there, we don’t know if he can bring it every day in the majors, which is what separates the major leaguers from the lifelong minor leaguers. Still, he and Ortmeier did good in an extended stretch in the majors in late 2007, we should give Frandsen a shot to show what he got, if he has it, then we got at least a league average 2B, if not, then NEXT!
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Feb 2, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Grant’s logic is hard to dispute. But I voted Velez. Irrationally. Speed, plus those clutch hits in September. Big sample.
One thing I do NOT want to see is the semi platoon situation where against really tough RHPs, they let Velez play. While Frandsen goes against lefties and mediocre righties. So Frandsen remains semi developed and Velez gets his dauber down.
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by foothillsfan on Feb 3, 2009 8:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is anybody voting for….whoever performs best in ST and March? Franny, Manny, and Velez, all intrigue me. All have advantages and disadvantages. Manny will play the best defense, and maybe put up the best OBP, but his SLG will be in the basement. He’s fast, too. Velez is fastest, and showed some real improvement with the bat at the end of last season; his defense is still scary. Maybe playing time would fix that, but there will be some nervous moments until it is solved. Frandsen probably has the most well rounded toolset of any of the guys. Not scary with the glove, decent avg, obp, and some line drive power?
Honestly, I look at the group and just cross my fingers that the guys mature. I think Burriss belongs at SS, and signing Renteria was idiotic. But what’s done is done, so I just hope he gets playing time, whether it is at 2nd in the majors or at SS in Fresno. I’m kind of pulling for Franny, just because of the hometown boy thing, and the way he performed in the minors. I think Velez could be a real weapon if he develops some plate discipline, so I want to see him get AB’s, too.
by Gregjitsu on Feb 3, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ST is not all that good for evaluating talent
Just ask Giants All-Stars Todd Linden and Brian Dallimore.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 4, 2009 1:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Brian Dallimore, dammit!
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by jcb9 on Feb 4, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Randy Moffitt
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by victor frankenstein on Feb 5, 2009 3:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Kevin Frandsen fan however would not be upset if Manny Burriss won the 2b job. SF is not a very good defense team and the starting line-up could use a lot more speed. Not the least concern that Burriss does not hit for power because if he can post a high OBP and play GG defense at 2b be is valuable.
Tired of SF playing base to base baseball. Some of the most exciting 2008 SF Giants baseball was when the speedsters were running first to third, scoring from first on an extra base hit and stealing bases. If Burriss can bring that spark to the top of the line-up the better SF can be.
by wilriv21 on Feb 4, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You know
You know, since Kevin Frandsen isn’t likely a big part of the Giants’ long-term future and Emmanuel Burriss might be, I have to change my vote from Kevin to Emmanuel. It would probably bode better for the franchise if Emmanuel won out.
It could also open up the possibility of trading Edgar Renteria after he has the expected bounce-back season and in 2010 playing BOTH Burriss and Frandsen.
by sharksrog on Feb 5, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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