Community Projection: Pablo Sandoval
by Grant on Feb 19, 2009 9:02 AM PST
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What were you doing in 1990? I was wearing tight jeans and begging Hammer to please not hurt them. Maybe you were hanging out in a laundromat, pumping quarters into a PlayChoice 10 to get your first taste of Super Mario Bros. 3. Some of you Kyrgyzstan buffs were debating the relative merits of Askar Akayev. And a Giants-drafted position player made the All-Star team for the Giants, a feat that hasn't been repeated since.
So nuts to you, pal, for pooh-poohing our excitement about Pablo Sandoval. The last time a player as young as Sandoval got 150 or more plate appearances in a Giants uniform? Matt Williams, the aforementioned All-Star. The last time a player as young as Sandoval was in the Opening Day lineup? Uh, Royce Clayton, but before that it was Will Freaking Clark. Sandoval came up last year as a 21-year-old, and hit .345/.357/.490. He is a big, puffy crouton in our wilted salad of a lineup. Do not disparage the man. Do not disparage his defensive abilities, either; I have no problem with Bochy starting him at short to prove a point.
The top three projection systems -- PECOTA, ZiPS, and CHONE -- all seem to think that Sandoval will hit no better than a glorified Bengie Molina this year. Bah. Flimshaw. What kind of rubbish is this? Does anyone actually think that's all Sandoval will do?
Uh, kind of. As excited as I am about Sandoval, I'm not entirely convinced he'll hit .345 over a full season if he's only walking in 3% of his plate appearances. Call it a hunch. It's hard not to be amazed at Sandoval's combination of hard contact and wild swings, but his ceiling is somewhat limited as long as he's undisciplined. His value will be almost completely tied into his batting average, which is always subject to wild slumps, peaks, and valleys. The good news is that once Sandoval started hitting the snot out of the ball last year, pitchers started to give him less to hit, and Sandoval took more walks. His walk rate for San Jose doubled from 2007 to 2008. That isn't to suggest that he's Eddie Stanky now, but hopefully it hints at a player who isn't going to swing at everything.
Last year at this time, Sandoval wasn't on Baseball America's top-30 prospect list. While that seems ridiculous now, it's worth noting that the controversy didn't exactly tear this site apart at the seams. It's pretty amazing that Sandoval climbed so far, so fast, at such a young age, and never stopped raking. But let's hold off on anointing him the savior of a moribund offense. There will be time enough for that next season.
Pablo Sandoval
AB: 520
AVG: .373
OBP: .422
SLG: .529
HR: 22
Dammit. I said to hold off on that kind of prediction. LET'S NOT GET TOO EXCITED ABOUT PABLO SANDOVAL.
Pablo Sandoval
AB: 520
AVG: .287
OBP: .309
SLG: .439
HR: 13
Defense at third: Acceptable, but it's not where he'll start in 2010.
Well, I don't really like that one either. He'll either blow that prediction out of the water, come close to it, or fall well short. You read it here first. Your Pablostications, if you would.
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AB: 535
AVG: .271
OBP: .304
SLG: .422
HR: 9
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 19, 2009 9:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
for what it's worth...
just noticed this posted over at Giants Jottings:
“Pablo showed why the Giants want him in the line up when he put on an absolute clinic in BP. He was hitting rockets all over the park. He slammed 4 HRs, including at least one from each side of the plate. Not much left his bat that wasn’t a hard hit line drive. And he peppered the walls and warning track.”
so apparently he’s off to a fast start, anyway.
As for a prediction, I think I fall somewhere between Grant’s wildly optimistic side and more conservative approach:
AB: 515
AVG: .303
OBP: .321
SLG: .450
HR: 15
So, yeah, I’m optimistic, I guess.
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by Smoke on the Water on Feb 19, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i love it when you call me big panda
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 19, 2009 9:20 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Throw ya hands in ai-ya, if youz a tru play-ya
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Feb 19, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sadly that only reminds me of the movie Hardball
by cazzuno on Feb 20, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AB: 570
Avg: 308
OBP: 350
SLG: 460
HR: 19
I also liked Bill James projection
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by say hey nation on Feb 19, 2009 9:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Even if he does a little worse than your projection
he’s still better at the plate than Pedro Feliz. I bet he wont try to pull sliders that are off the plate in the dirt
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by drizztismoneybaby on Feb 19, 2009 9:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
you forgot a symbol… i think you meant we are all > Pedro Feliz. Rally-killer is an understatement, he’s a perpetrator of rally genocide.
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by beat_la_25 on Feb 19, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never forget anything. I have the memory of 50 elephants who are all Pedro Feliz.
We are all Pedro Feliz.
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 20, 2009 5:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz is not Rally Killer
Jose Castillo earned that name by the sweat of his brow and the hack of his bat, and nobody can take it away from him.
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by EliminateMe on Feb 20, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's the only player
that could ground into a double play with no one on base.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Feb 21, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Joe Castle
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or he’ll succeed in pullnig sliders off the plate in the dirt…
by Missing Barry on Feb 19, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt think of that
I guess it doesn’t matter what you swing at as long as you hit it. I suppose that was my problem with Pedro Feliz, not that he was swinging at sliders in the dirt off the plate, but that he couldn’t hit them.
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by drizztismoneybaby on Feb 19, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even though Pablo swings at everything, his approach seems miles ahead of Feliz. He takes outside pitches the other way and sprays the ball everywhere.
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo’s contact rate is ridiculous. He’s like a cross between Vlad and Bengie – swings at everything but can hit it all, too.
by Missing Barry on Feb 19, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AB: 522
Avg: .289
OBP: .325
SLG: 470
HR: 19
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Feb 19, 2009 9:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 525
AVG: .309
OBP: .324
SLG: .475
HR: 21
OPTIMISM!
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 9:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I believe.
AB: 588
AVG: .282
OBP: .323
SLG: .466
HR: 17
2B: 46
Defense at 3B: About negative 10 runs
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by tedfordfan on Feb 19, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 512
AVG: .278
OBP: .311
SLG: 427
HR: 11
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by j14 on Feb 19, 2009 9:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh
and defense at 3rd… bad. Will be moved to 1st by the end of the season.
Baseball is a lot like life. The line drives are caught, the squibbles go for base hits. It's an unfair game. -Rod Kanehl
by j14 on Feb 19, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE HE'S FAT
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 19, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He IS fat
That didn’t stop Terry Pendleton from winning an MVP in ‘91. I say the ’91 Pendleton numbers are a good basis for Pablo, maybe a little high. He’s definitely not reaching the 8 triples or 10 swipes.
by CalGoldenBear on Feb 19, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
baseball-reference lists Pendleton as 5’9", 180 lbs, while Sandoval is listed at 5’11", 245 lbs.
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s sixty pounds between friends?
by paboperfecto on Feb 19, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2 hams and a turkey?
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by zenbitz on Feb 19, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I read BR displays a player’s rookie listed weight. I’m pretty confident that by 1991, Pendleton weighed significantly more than he did in 1984. I’d guess he was somewhere between 200-220.
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they also list miguel cabrera at 6’2 185 pounds
by Missing Barry on Feb 19, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there is no way he's only 245 pounds
i’d add another 10 or 20 to that
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by UnleashTheGore on Feb 20, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What in the world do Terry Pendelton’s numbers in 1991 have to do with Pablo Sandoval? Have you found height and weight comparisons to be an accurate predictor of offensive performance?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Feb 19, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seperate comparisons
Pablo will be a nimble big guy at the hot corner, like Terry.
Pablo will hit for a nice average, with gap power and produce runs, like Terry.
They are independent of one another. Just enjoy Pablo Pendleton in 2009. Oops, I mean Terry Sandoval.
by CalGoldenBear on Feb 20, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched a replay of an old Braves playoff game recently and Terry Pendleton was not nearly as fat as I remembered him to be. That said, I’m in the Sandoval-will-be-adequate-at-3rd camp.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Feb 19, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fat Freddie
Fernando Valenzuela was a big man yet a very good athlete. Very similar to Pablo Sandoval.
by wilriv21 on Feb 19, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We see nimble “fat” guys in other sports all the time. Guys like Jerome Bettis, Natrone Means, Khalid El-Ahmin. Ok, maybe that’s not all the time, but occasionally.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Feb 19, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Livan Hernandez always surprised me with his quickness getting off the mound and fielding bunts.
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
David Wells, too.
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by cornball on Feb 19, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sir Charles feels turrible to be forgotten.
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by oldjacket on Feb 19, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I met him recently and posted a picture of us in a different thread a few days ago. He’s a big dude with huge bear paws.
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 19, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heard about that.
HOw was riding shotgun during his DUI?
by CalGoldenBear on Feb 20, 2009 7:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scary as shit
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 20, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Sir Charles, my bad. Khalid El-Ahmin and not Sir Charles? Turrible.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Feb 19, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Pierce even?
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Feb 20, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My roommate is college was a huge Kansas fan for some reason. I was always on him about how Paul Pierce was too chubby for the NBA.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Feb 20, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s with the early post? Now I’m all screwed up.
Like round numbers
ABs: 500
BA: 300
OBP: 325
SLG 475
HRs: 20 (I feel really good about this one.)
Defense: Solid at 3B and 1B
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This was almost exactly what I was going to predict.
So I’ll change it a little:
AB: 504
AVG: 302
OBP: 327
SLG: 480
HR: 21
You didn’t account for the walk off home run he hit in the 163rd game to beat the dodgers and go to the playoffs.
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by Azmanz on Feb 19, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I link the way you think
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been this excited about a player
Since that Jim Lincecum fellow years back. Ah, the good ’ol days.
I think Grant’s about right, stat-wise. I think pitchers will figure him out, and he’ll hit close to Bengie-like stats, probably a bit better since he’s got fresher legs and isn’t kneeling behind the plate all game. How will he compare to Bengie’s gritty gamer-ness, though? That is the real question.
And yeah, I pray that I’m wrong.
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by UnleashTheGore on Feb 19, 2009 9:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh Jim.
I think I’ll start calling him Jimmy from now on.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 19, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jiny Jim
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy thinks Elaine is cute!
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by UnleashTheGore on Feb 20, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kool-Aid Drinking 101
AB: 582
AVG: .295
OBP: .310
SLG: .435
HR: 11
Defense at third: Generally quite good, but enunciated by moments of utter futility.
Here’s to hoping that the prediction of .015 gap between AB & OPB is larger next year.
by Scottsdale on Feb 19, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ABs: 450
BA: .290
OBP: .310
SLG: .450
HRs: 16
Defense: Bad
by xanthan on Feb 19, 2009 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ABs: 550
BA: .307
OBP: .325
SLG: .480
HRs: 21
He’s gonna hit. A lot.
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by beat_la_25 on Feb 19, 2009 10:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am going out on a limb....
ABs: 575
BA: 320
OBP: 350
SLG: .500
HRs:25
Defense: Solid
Yah I said it.
Someone get Damon Minor's agent on the phone stat!
by fanofvanlandingham on Feb 19, 2009 10:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
About the same as what I had before i reconsidered… Didn’t have the cojones to stick my neck out that far. Here’s to hoping, though!
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by beat_la_25 on Feb 19, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AB: 515
BA: .293
OBP: .339
SLG: 488
HR: 19
Defense: Mundane yet Accopmlished
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by NuschlerFace on Feb 19, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ACCOMPLISHED!
You probably know it as MYANMAR, but it will always be BURMA to me!
by NuschlerFace on Feb 19, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Misch-on Accomp-Misch-ed
Wait who is this thread about?
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by Revolution1 on Feb 19, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AB: 500
BA: .295
OBP: .310
SLG: .480
HR: 20
Defense: Better than most expect
I think I pulled my swagger muscle...
by BawLa on Feb 19, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 532
BA: .297
OBP: .335
SLG: .468
HR: 22
Defense: Won’t make me cry
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by nvsfg on Feb 19, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 550
BA: .305
OBP: .330
SLG: .470
HR: 15
Defense at third: -5 runs
The top three projection systems — PECOTA, ZiPS, and CHONE — all seem to think that Sandoval will hit no better than a glorified Bengie Molina this year.
In all fairness, if a 22 year old that can play catcher can hit like a glorified Bengie, well that’s pretty damn good.
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by marcello on Feb 19, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You know what perplexes me the most? The Giants seem almost uninterested in giving Pablo playing time at catcher. I just don’t get it.
by xanthan on Feb 19, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the long term, with Buster Posey, I can understand their wanting to find another position for him. Short-term, though, I’m on record as wishing they’d trade Molina before he loses what trade value he might have.
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get that Buster is coming down the pipeline, but the team is going to carry three catchers this year. It just doesn’t make sense, at least let Pablo backup Molina on his days off. Instead, they decided to shift him to a position that hasn’t played since 2006.
by xanthan on Feb 19, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So your with the sharksrog position that it’s sensible to have your starting third baseman be your only backup catcher? I don’t agree with that, myself. Aside from not thinking that’s a good idea in general, I don’t really like it in terms of Sandoval’s development. If they’re going to have Sandoval play a position he probably can’t, at least let him focus on playing that position. Moonlighting as a part-time catcher just seems like a distraction.
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we put starting third baseman in air quotes? Because I’m not sure he’ll play at third the entire season. I don’t see what the problem with it is. If Molina doesn’t collapse this year — which he might, even more reason to give Sandoval reps behind the plate — then Sandoval would only have to catch 20-30 games a year.
by xanthan on Feb 19, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is, if Molina’s at catcher and Sandoval’s at third/first and you don’t have Holm, Sandoval can’t be pulled from the game. Pull him for a defensive replacement or a pinch runner and you’ve got nobody who can credibly replace Molina if he’s taken out in a collision at the plate, the game goes to extra innings, etc. As amusing as it was to see Pedro Feliz at catcher and Randy Winn at third and Noah Lowry in the outfield a few years ago, that’s not a situation I’d like to see happen multiple times a year, as could well happen without a true backup catcher.
I also grew to quite like Steve Holm as a backup catcher last year, so that probably influences me. But still, not having a backup catcher other than a guy who’s playing every day at another position seems slightly crazy.
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is, if Molina’s at catcher and Sandoval’s at third/first and you don’t have Holm, Sandoval can’t be pulled from the game. Pull him for a defensive replacement or a pinch runner and you’ve got nobody who can credibly replace Molina if he’s taken out in a collision at the plate, the game goes to extra innings, etc.
I think that’s the point right there. The problem isn’t with Sandoval, but rather with Molina and his speed. Or lack thereof.
by deuce deuce on Feb 19, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I mean, just look at Bochy’s tendencies from last year. He often used pinch-runners for Molina and I seem to remember him using a lot of defensive subs (mostly Omar) in the late innings. Not a good combo when you don’t have a dedicated back-up catcher.
by cornball on Feb 19, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think that the scenario that would leave the team with both catchers being out of play is an unlikely one. Yeah, Pedro Feliz had to catch that one game but it wasn’t a normal game. I think constructing your roster based on that scenario is a little outlandish. If it happens, then you put someone behind the plate like we did with Feliz, and the next day you call up Generic AAA Fresno catcher. Until then, just call up someone off the bench to play 3B/1B and move Pablo behind the plate.
by xanthan on Feb 19, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Feliz thing was a freak occurrence, yes. But it was freakish mainly because it happened when the team had a dedicated backup catcher. Managers usually use backup catchers very judiciously to avoid that sort of situation – you very rarely see backup catchers pinch hit (except maybe in a double switch situation) because they don’t want to burn their backup catcher just in case.
I’m kind of baffled as to why it’s not obvious that you want a backup catcher on your bench, but you and sharksrog aren’t dummies, so maybe I’m crazy here. But it seems glaringly obvious to me. I asked this on another thread, but I can’t think of any team in recent memory that didn’t carry any backup catcher other than someone who’s theoretically starting every day at another position. Someone mentioned Michael Barrett being tried out at third base, but he split his time between the two positions fairly evenly and the team did carry other backup catchers.
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
Maybe you’re crazy. That point aside, I agree that having a backup backstop that is pretty important. That said, as long as there’s a couple viable 3B options (Praise Jesus!), I don’t think it would be that big an issue. Pablo is probably not going to be pulled from games all that often. Of course, he has the the day off, he’d be available as the backup catcher.
I think the main reason the team has told Pablo to keep the tools of ignorance in his duffle bag is because they want him getting as much time as possible working with a glove instead of a mitt.
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the dumbest part in this all...
Pablo’s value comes from being able to play catcher. At 3B or 1B, he is likely a below average hitter. At catcher, he can be a top 10 hitter.
Uggggghhhh. Let him catch, raise his value, and then trade him to clear way for Posey. That’s what Minnesota did with AJ Pierzsynski for Joe Mauer, and it worked out quite well for them I believe
by NeifiChicken on Feb 19, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please never compare Sandoval to Pierzynski again. What did he do to you to deserve that!?
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Molina is Pierzynksi in this analogy.
Depends on the projection, but Sandoval has a decent shot at being an average hitting 3B.
Moving him to 1B destroys his value.
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by oldjacket on Feb 19, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I meant Pablo
Posey is our catcher of the future, just like Mauer was in MIN.
AJ was a young catcher who was successful (he was an all-star before they traded him) and had 3-4 years left before free agency, but Mauer was knocking on the door so Minnesota moved AJ and SF bit hard.
I think if we can play Pablo this year and next year, he’d have good value on the trade market in 2010 and we could get nice pieces for him, just like MIN did for AJ.
by NeifiChicken on Feb 19, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what?
had 3-4 years left before free agency
If he had years left before FA, how come he was only here for one season?
My memory on this may be hazy, but I thought one of the bad parts of this deal was that he was gonna be a FA after one season. And Sabean THOUGHT he’d have a shot at locking him up, but he didn’t count on AJ hating it here and playing awful for us.
by The Double Deuce on Feb 19, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was up for arbitration and got non-tendered or something.
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm yeah that does sound kinda familiar.
by The Double Deuce on Feb 19, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea.
I think he still had a year or two of arbitration but Sabean didn’t even put in an offer and non-tendered him instead.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 19, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there's actually a lot to compare between them
Both are heavy contact catchers with decent pop and no foot speed. Sandoval has more power upside I would say, but AJ is a pretty solid catcher. He’s hated more in SF for obvious reasons, but he’s been a good big league catcher
by NeifiChicken on Feb 19, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s hated more in SF by all good-hearted people for obvious reasons.
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
trade him
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by UnleashTheGore on Feb 19, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Normally, I might agree with you, but I’m not normal right now.
I think given the dearth of offense on the current team, having the bats of both Molina and Pablo in the lineup every day is necessary. Since the team currently has a puncher’s chance in the NL West, it makes sense. If they were to fall out of the race, I’d be all for moving Molina, letting Pablo catch, and calling up Sweet Jesus to play 3B. (Of course, if they’d had him on the big team to begin with, they’d be leading the NL West by 10+ games.)
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, it’s pretty damn frustrating. Especially considering he’s great at throwing out runners.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Feb 19, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AB: 600
BA: .315
OBP: 335
SLG: .480
HR: 16
Range at third base: 3 feet
by E30Alex on Feb 19, 2009 10:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
HOW DARE YOU YOU ANTI-FAT PERSON JERK
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 19, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3 feet....
and only moving forward?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Your 2009 Opening Day starter at second base*: Eugenio Velez
*For the Fresno Grizzlies
by baetown415 on Feb 19, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At bats: 475
BA: .274
OBA: .305
SLG: .422
HR: 12
by NeifiChicken on Feb 19, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 535
BA: .297
OBP: .332
SLG: .468
HR: 17
Defense at third. Good enough to earn the nickname “El Gordo Gato”
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Feb 19, 2009 10:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that “Gordo” is not one of the few adjectives that can go before a noun in Spanish, he would need to be “El Gato Gordo”.
by paboperfecto on Feb 19, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly related, but I always thought the line in “Two Tribes” by Frankie Goes To Hollywood was “Working for the fat cats” but found out last week it’s “Working for the black gas”.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AB: 550
BA: .293
OBA: .318
SLG: .448
HR: 14
by deuce deuce on Feb 19, 2009 11:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 590
BA: .313
OBA: .321
SLG: .485
HR: 22
by dogdays on Feb 19, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
pretty close there, dog. i see you expect pablo to take more walksthan i do.
by giantdonkey on Feb 19, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AB: 565
BA: 313
OBP: 313
SLG: 485
HR: 22
gold gloves:0
garlic fries: mucho
by giantdonkey on Feb 19, 2009 11:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
you think
in 565 at bats, pablo sandoval will not take a single walk?
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Feb 20, 2009 1:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Sandoval the Giant's Askar Akayev?
I’ll note that Mr.Akayev was also a brash, young upstart in his early post-Soviet days. He came out of the Soviet leagues as on of the only non-Republic Politburo heads of state. He was smart, relatively young and a physicist who dabbled pabbled in politics. After emerging as a compromise candidate in the second round of the Kyrgyz Presidential elections, he was a post-Soviet democratic golden boy, Central Asia’s Thomas Jefferson if you will. Then he turned into Central Asia’s Royce Clayton.
The parallels are probably endless…or not.
by dpadams on Feb 19, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds a lot like Andruw Jones’ career path.
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Feb 20, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pabl09
AB: 548
AVG: .289
OBP: .333
SLG: .486
HR: 20
SB:8
McC sigs about him: 16
They say some players get out of bed hitting; Pablo Sandoval doesn't wait that long
by bgunn on Feb 19, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Honey
AB: 520
Weight: 287
AVG: .287
OBP: .309
SLG: .439
HR: 13
by biff pocoroba on Feb 19, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Attack Panda attacks!
ABs: 565
BA: .313
OBP: .333
SLG: .491
HRs: 24
Worlds Destroyed: Many!
Defense: Fat (-4 runs)
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 19, 2009 11:31 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Akayev and Pablo
I actually write a Central Asian blog. Akayev was indeed seen as a possible liberal, democratic hero, until he became a dictator of course. But thankfully, he was overthrown during the Tulip Revolution and replace by a new TJ, Bakiyev. But of course Bakiyev has also become a dictator :(. And to boot, he kicked the US military out of his country for Russian moolah!
Pablo
ABs: 560
BA: .318
OBP: .338
Slg: .498
HRs: 20
Duets with the Jonas Bros: 2
Defense: solid, with some bad, bad moments
by world wide suicide on Feb 19, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
he’ll have a great first half, then the league will adjust & pablo will fatigue
ABs: 480
AVG: .276
OBP: .310
SLG: .420
HR: 13
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
My blog
by world wide suicide on Feb 19, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uighar Please
I'm spent, just can't rosterbate anymore.
by oldjacket on Feb 19, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stankey
He may not play like him he but he would be more fun to play with as a manager…unlike Stakey.
by daniel9 on Feb 19, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
more fantastic tags
AB: 550
AVG: .301
OBP: .319
SLG: .490
HR: 21
Defense: probably about a -8 or so
Number of times I post “PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLD” in a Gameday thread: about 500
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 19, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Man, I need to start reading the tags. I usually just skim by. To be fair, I think Aaron Rowand can always be described as a beet, and not just in analogies.
by cornball on Feb 19, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
re: the tags
I think the only Fred Savage movie I ever saw was The Wizard. Jenny Lewis, at the age of like twelve or so, also starred!
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what about THE PRINCESS BRIDE???
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 19, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, geez, I totally forgot he was in that. Yeah, I’ve seen that like a few dozen times.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
most overrated movie ever?
possibly so
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 19, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, not enough Rush in it, amirite?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 19, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You, sir, are a soulless bathturd.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Overrated? Inconceivable!
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphemy! those are my childhood dreams you’re stepping on!
I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken
by joeytothelimit on Feb 19, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Never has anyone been as wrong as you were when you typed that
TAKE IT BACK
by bondslegend on Feb 19, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrongest posting ever in the history of the Internet?
Adoptive father to the All-Father. Does that make me the All-Grandfather?
by EliminateMe on Feb 20, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Survey says.....YES!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Feb 20, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like we’ve had this conversation before.
by Natto on Feb 19, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
probably so
I am quite outspoken in my distaste for this movie, which seemingly EVERY college student seems to think is TEH GR8EST MOVIE EVER! It’s boring as hell, and not funny. Not once did I laugh. I had never been so disappointed after watching a movie. That is, until I saw Napolean Dynamite.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 20, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think “Princess Bride” is supposed to be “laugh out loud”. I’d describe it as “charming” and just quirkie enough to non-formulaic. It didn’t change the world and was no great cinematic achievement, but a lot of people found it quite enjoyable.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 20, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought it was all that great either. Not terrible, but not nearly as great as everyone says it is. I also didn’t like Napolean Dynamite at all.
by The Double Deuce on Feb 20, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never seen Napolean Dynamite, but I heard an interesting story dealing with it on the public radio show On the Media a while back. Apparently, that movie gives huge problems to companies like Netflix, because nobody’s come up with an algorithm that has any success in predicting whether people will like it or not, and thus whether it should come up as recommended or not. Something like 20% of all Netflix’s errors in recommendations come from that one movie.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 20, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FTW, I loved Princess Bride, and was completely bored by Napolean Dynamite. The only other movie that I can think of, off the top of my head, that was as boring as ND was “Junebug,” which I rented after reading several brief-but-glowing reviews. Amy Adams was excellent, but the rest was gar-bahge.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005.
by Lyle on Feb 20, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
brief-but-glowing
Underwear that lights up your ass!
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 20, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I loved ND
but that movie was made for me. I repeatedly get told that I have a great ND impression when I’m just going about my day. I’ve learned to embrace it.
by bondslegend on Feb 20, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Junebug.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 21, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a fascinating show
figure it out and you could be a millionaire
by bondslegend on Feb 20, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Goonies is the correct answer.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Feb 19, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Goonies is only good if you saw it for the first time as a kid. I never did, and I watched it for the first time as a 22 year old and just couldn’t get into it.
by The Double Deuce on Feb 20, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 20, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Dread Pirate Roberts has come for your soul…..
by paboperfecto on Feb 20, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t he in the Movie with a Monster under his bed? It was kinda like the live-action version of Monsters inc. in a way….anyway if my mind isn’t betraying me, that one was cool for like the autumn of my 9th year
I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken
by joeytothelimit on Feb 19, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That monster would soon be hosting Deal or No Deal
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Feb 19, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get it
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Feb 19, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was in a Police Squad episode:
Drebin: We think we know how he did it
Woman: Howie couldn’t have done it. He’s out of town.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HA! I had forgotten about that show.
by chilibean_3 on Feb 19, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BOBBY'S WORLD!
PARTY TIME! EXCELLENT!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 20, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really enjoyed Bobby’s World as a kid. It may have been because the mom on the show talked exactly like a lot of people in my family.
by The Double Deuce on Feb 20, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Random Natto Inspired Brother Fact
Fred Savage’s brother, Ben, starred in the movie Palo Alto, CA.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Feb 19, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone seen this movie? I heard it about while it was in pre-production, but not after. Was it any good?
by cornball on Feb 19, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have it, I just haven’t watched it. Honestly, I only got it for two reasons:
1) It’s set in Palo Alto and I’ve lived near there my entire life.
2) I confused Ben Savage with Fred Savage.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Feb 19, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wanted to watch just because it’s about my home-town. Maybe it’ll be a good illustration of how boring it is for teenagers.
by cornball on Feb 19, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re bored, you’re just not drinking enough.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on Feb 19, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a problem anymore. Also, sadly, don’t live in Palo Alto anymore. Maybe I’ll get unbelievably lucky and get into residency at Stanford.
by cornball on Feb 19, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they call it shallow alto for a reason
"ever so cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"
by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Shalo Alto. And yes, there is a reason the cops were always hanging out at the Baskin-Robbins on Middlefield. Only thing in town for kids to do on a Friday night.
by cornball on Feb 19, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That reason is envy.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Feb 19, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Palo Alto dearly. It’s a great place. And boring as hell when you’re 15. Still love it, though.
When it's all said and done, America will be remember for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Feb 19, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We used to get hassled by the cops for breaking into the gym to play hoops on friday night. They really don’t have anything better to do.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Feb 19, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember Los Altos cops being worse than PA cops.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Feb 20, 2009 6:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a native Los Altosian (Los Altite?)
I would concur with this.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Feb 22, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering what he’s been up to since Boy Meets World.
by Natto on Feb 19, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
probably banging Topanga
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 19, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bewbs
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Feb 19, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just recently saw her in a bad movie, Dorm Daze. She still looks ok, but not quite like the Topanga that I loved so much as an adolescent.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Feb 19, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't she do the Wannabe Route...
And sign up as a celebrity spokesperson for one of those weight-loss centers?
Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Feb 19, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how recent that picture is though…
by The Double Deuce on Feb 19, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AVG: .350
OBP: .350
SLG: .350
Weight: 350
Fielding %: .350
Haven't been to The Examined Life? No wonder your life feels so empty.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Feb 19, 2009 12:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
On the plus side
HR: 350
RBIs: 350
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the minus side..
No one was on base for any of his home runs? :(
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
by WalrusMan on Feb 19, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, after Renteria went on the DL and Lewis got off to a slow start, Bochy kept batting Roberts & Bocock 1 and 2.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the plus side
It was pretty amazing he felt good enough to steal 350 bases after being HBP 350 times.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think his SLG would be higher with 350 jacks too…
by The Double Deuce on Feb 19, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AB: 545
AVG: .308
OBP: .322
SLG: .467
HR: 16
Defense at third: Bad.
HEY BUDDY WHAT’S WITH THE BODY BIAS NOT COOL MAN NOT COOL
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 19, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
groug is actually Heath Bell in disguise.
Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly
by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo: needs to play some Wii Fit y/n
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Feb 19, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“What were you doing in 1990?”
You mean, besides masturbating?
Haven't been to The Examined Life? No wonder your life feels so empty.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Feb 19, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Beats Me
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Feb 19, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was uncalled for
You jerk
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you wacked that joke out of the park
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 20, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t going to post it since I didn’t want to rub anyone the wrong way, but felt a tug and decided to pull out it out.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 20, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you ought to spank yourself for doing that
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 20, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My jokes tend to come in spurts
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Feb 20, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AB: 512
AVG: .296
OBP: .334
SLG: .489
HR: 18
Defense at third: 19 E
by lehmsbobby on Feb 19, 2009 1:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 550
BA: .285
OBP: .305
SLG: .460
HR: 18
..so allow me to present Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain as two sweet, sweet bottles of warming hooch.
by Cookyman on Feb 19, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 510
BA: .315
OBP: .333
SLG: .490
HR: 27
HR in the Home Run Derby: 3 more than Miguel Cabrera
my cousin and i got noah lowry's autograph after he came out of a porta-potty. he was nice about it.
by hubert on Feb 19, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 320
BA : .299
OBP: .320
SLG: .440
HR: 21
Defense: Fine, though he will make far more throwing errors than fielding errors. His rocket arm throws to first scared me a bit last year.
by Angry Dwarf on Feb 19, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 520
AVG: .275
OBP: .315
SLG: .450
HR: 22
Defense at third: Acceptable, but no Pedro Feliz.
Overall: Offense production will exceed Pete’s by enought to make him slightly more valuable now with greater upside.
by DustyG on Feb 19, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he will win the NL Rookie of the Year (despite not qualifying as a rookie)
he will force Russell Martin to commit suicide upon the revelation that Sandoval is so much more valuable than him
he will win both the NL and AL Gold Glove at 3B
-signed,
giantsrainman
by FluLikeSymptoms on Feb 19, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 480
AVG: .280
OBP: .300
SLG: .438
HR: 21
Defense: -6 Runs
by DividedByZero on Feb 19, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
AB: 508
AVG: .297
OBP: .319
SLG: .490
HR: 22
Come September, Pablito will be behind the dish after Bengie gets traded and Posey will be manning 3rd. Worse case scenario?
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Feb 19, 2009 2:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Best case scenario is that Jackson Williams is the real deal and Gerald Posey is moved out from behind the plate.
by wilriv21 on Feb 19, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
File that under fantasy scenario for good ol’ Jackson
Sergio Romo will gladly hand you a bench to sit on / GIANTSPACE™ / Adopted brother of the AnVil
by SoFa King Mike on Feb 19, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...ah sugar sugar.
AB: 500
AVG: .299
OBP: .325
SLG: ..400
HR: 19
by paboperfecto on Feb 19, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Señor?
AB: 533
AVG: .303
OBP: 331
SLG: .504
HR: 26
fat jokes: many
"I didn't know (after seeing a spectacular over-the-shoulder catch) whether to shit or go blind." - Former Giants Outfielder Harvey Kuenn on Willie Mays
by stealth snail on Feb 19, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pablo needs P90x!
then he’d put up these numbers
AB: 590
AVG: 292
OBP: 326
SLG: 498
HR: 16
I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken
by joeytothelimit on Feb 19, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Little Money
AB: 577
BA: .313
OBA: .321
SLG: .435
HR: 12
Hitting for average, no walks, “okay” power——
2009 proves Little Money is legit and not a flash in the pan
Think he should play first, as Pablo played there all winter….
First and back-up catcher… Phelps can be 3rd catcher…..
Noah Lowry?
by Kid Fresh on Feb 19, 2009 4:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Heavy but a natural athlete
AB: 550
AVG: .321
OBP: 340
SLG: 480
HR: 25 I think he has more power than most give him credit for
Defense: League average but some bad moments from trying too hard
Pablo is obviously one of those guys that gets knocked because he does not fit people’s pre-conceived notion of what an athlete should look like. But what I saw last year was a guy that has natural talent and instincts for baseball. My worry is a drop off at around 24 – 26 years of age if he lets his early sucess and money go to his head and his weight gets out of control. Think Jerome Williams.
Radical Racing
by Radical Racing on Feb 19, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Miguel Cabrera:
At age 24: 150 *OPS+.
I want that kind of drop off.
Mischievously implosive purple pitching staff.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Feb 20, 2009 1:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking last year
though I guess he was better than I remember. He still had pretty huge drops in BA and OBP. I guess the 130 OPS+ and 37 dingerz.app make up for that though.
by bondslegend on Feb 20, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
For those who think Sandoval will be hitting 20+ HRs why do you believe his slugging will be so low? Especially since Sandoval should be hitting 30+ doubles.
by wilriv21 on Feb 19, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have him with 20 HRs and a 475 SLG (800 OPS). I didn’t do the math to figure out if that SLG doesn’t fit.
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It probably has something to do with most people pulling their numbers out of my ass.
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, is that getting uncomfortable?
by bondslegend on Feb 19, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just got back from dental work, so the discomfort in my mouth is drowning everything else out at the moment.
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Given how many numbers were apparently up there, I’m guessing he’s a lot more comfortable after having had them removed.
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which explain the bouts with butt pee
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by SoFa King Mike on Feb 19, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We’re hedging our bets, this way if our HR total is too high we just might still be closest on slugging! Okay, I’m with Goofus. Doing the math for these projections is just too much work.
by paboperfecto on Feb 20, 2009 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"no line" as they would say in vegas.
Either you believe the predictors, or Pablito is a delicate snowflake, unlike any other.
I don’t like the odds.
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by zenbitz on Feb 19, 2009 4:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't know much about Projection
But here is what Baseball Forecaster currently projects for Kung Fu Panda:
AB: 415
BA: .294
OBP: .319
SLG: .482
OPS: .801
HR: 14
Runs: 73
RBI: 85
If Pablo ended up with, say, 625 AB instead (playing a full season), his counting stats would be the following, at the same rate per AB:
HR: 21
Runs: 110
RBI: 128
FYI: the authors of The Book determined that CHONE had the best projection system in 2008, and CHONE projects:
AB: 477
BA: .283
OBP: .315
SLG: .426
OPS: .741
HR: 11
Runs: 64
RBI: 68
In 625 AB, roughly 15 HR, 85 Runs, 90 RBI.
I would say that these numbers are pretty good floors and ceilings for what Sandoval could do in 2009, both part-time and full-time. Given his youth, great strikeout rate (it’s real, he’s been doing it like that in the minors, so the league won’t catch up with him as some suggests), and his breakout in 2008 was due to his power kicking in, he is about as sure a prospect as any player, and I would lean more towards the high end of the projections, in terms of power.
Because his power actually kicked in in 2007, looking at his spray chart. He had 23 batted balls that traveled over 350 feet in 2007, but 9 of them were to straight-away center for outs and hits (mostly outs) but no homers. In 2008, looking at his Connecticut spray, all his long hits were pulled for homers, and in SJ, either pulled or hit out further into center, making them no doubts, many of them were over 400 ft, some approaching 450 ft. His power definitely kicked in during the 2007 season and he then adjusted to pull them more to make them pay off in homers in 2008.
Plus CHONE projects -3 runs for his defense at 3B, which seems right to me. Despite his girth, most reports I’ve seen on his defense is that with experience there, he will be OK there defensively.
Whereas I have not seen any scouting reports that were optimistic enough to think that Sandoval can play catcher decently as a regular. So any plus offense he might be there, he could be negating it via his play behind the plate. And that is in spite of his strong arm that caught a lot of base stealers, so that means the other parts of his defense there has to be much worse.
People who think he can be a catcher is dreaming. The thing is, people point out that he hasn’t played 3B since 2006, but the fact is that he was a 3B when we signed him, he only converted to be a catcher while with us, and clearly he not only has a lot more to learn as a catcher, there are scouts who think that he won’t ever learn it enough (unlike Posey, who is projected by some to win a Gold Glove eventually).
BA thought he can be average at 3B with experience in 2006, but noted this last season: Though he has arm strength and threw out 46 percent of basestealers with San Jose, his hands and lack of agility work against him at catcher. They also quoted scouts who saw him catch and they said that they didn’t believe Sandoval could play at catcher regularly in the majors, and two managers said Sandoval had problems just physically squatting behind the plate. Here is what McKamey wrote in his 2007 book: … as a catcher, poor agility prompted move to corner infield where he can be average with his soft hands and arm strength.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Feb 19, 2009 4:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I sincerely doubt
CHONE is a floor.
Floor would have to be “sent back to AA”
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by zenbitz on Feb 19, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems a good bet his catching days (other than the emergency catcher) are behind him especially since he is not doing any catching this ST. The Giants seem plenty impressed with Gerald Posey and even Jackson WIlliams (per Baggs) as their catchers of the future.
by wilriv21 on Feb 19, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CHONE projects -3 runs for his defense at 3B
How on earth does CHONE come up with that? I assume that’s one of those “We have to make a projection for everyone, but honestly we don’t have the foggiest idea and neither does anyone else” projections.
his hands and lack of agility work against him at catcher
Fortunately, he won’t need any of that stuff at third base.
by Evan on Feb 19, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pablominable Snowmandoval
I won’t make any predictions so long as I can keep calling him that.
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by CystedTwister on Feb 19, 2009 4:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
nightmares tonight
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by SoFa King Mike on Feb 19, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff! Hard to say, though
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Once you say it a few times it gets much easier.
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by CystedTwister on Feb 20, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rainman Projections For Pablo Sandoval
PA/AB: 550/500
AVG: .310
OBP: .355
SLG: .478
BB/HBP: 36/4
SF/SH: 9/1
SB/CS: 0/0
1B/2B/3B/HR: 105/32/2/16
wOBA: .355
by giantsrainman on Feb 19, 2009 5:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he is going to walk 50 times? That would more than double any of his minor league season walk totals except for last year when he exploded for a total of 35 walks.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry I misread the at bat breakdown. 36 walks in 550 PAs would still blow away anything he has done previously.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Feb 19, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll eat a batting helmet if he posts a .355 wOBA.
by xanthan on Feb 19, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rate Stats Are Basicly The Same As Marcel Projections
Whree I differ most from Marcel is in the playing time where I basicly double what Marcel projects. With regards to BB/HBP my projected rate of 36 BB vs 500 AB is not way off from Pablo’s career minor league numbers of 95 BB vs 1761 AB. I project a higher rate because I expect pitchers to try and get him to chase way outside the zone and I believe he will not do this. I agree that he has shown he will go outside the zone when it is still hitable but he has also shown that he will not chase many that are not hittable (See his contact rate outside the zone).
by giantsrainman on Feb 19, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I project a higher rate because I expect pitchers to try and get him to chase way outside the zone and I believe he will not do this.
Why do you expect that? He swung outside of the strike zone more than any other hitter in the majors last season. That would be quite the adjustment for him to make.
by xanthan on Feb 19, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What Matters Is How Far Outside The Zone
His contract rate outside the zone shows that the pitches he swings at out ouside the zone are hitable. He didn’t chase many that were not. I expect the pitchers to try and get him to chase unhitable pitches outside the zone this year and I expect they will for the most part fail in this effort. He will still swing at the pitches outside the zone that are hitable but he will also still not swing at many outside the zone that are not hitable. The result of this will be that he will see more of pitches outside the zone that are not hittable and he will take most of them which will result in the higher walk rate that I am projecting.
by giantsrainman on Feb 19, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I think you’re right!
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by Lyle on Feb 20, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We get video of that, right?
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by WalrusMan on Feb 19, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And a Giants-drafted position player made the All-Star team for the Giants, a feat that hasn’t been repeated since.
Of course, you mean other than Will Clark in 1991 and 1992, Robbie Thompson in 1993, and Matt Williams in 1994, 1995 and 1996 (he didn’t play in the 95 or 96 games.)
Or maybe I’m missing something.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2009 5:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and of course by Robbie Thompson, I mean Robby Thompson. duh.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I usually refer to Matt Williams because he was the last All-Star to be drafted by the Giants…so I conflated my timelines. My bad.
by Grant on Feb 19, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval
AB: 495
AVG: .295
OBP: .319
SLG: .482
HR: 17
Defense at third: basically acceptable, considering his bat. He’ll make some spectacular plays and be brain dead on some routine ones.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2009 5:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval is hungry, but he ain't slow
I was looking for Lincecum at a recent giants festival, and couldn’t find him. I saw Sandoval and he said, don’t worry, I just ate him. And who was I not to believe him. Sandoval is not slow. The kid can run. And if he doesn’t beef up to 300 he should still be able to run for a few more years. Providing he can lay off the really bad pitches, I think the kid can be a monster at the plate.
Power numbers go up. 26 homers, 525 AB’s 274 AVG. OBP 311, SLG 500
by bradleybear on Feb 19, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
if giants in the hunt at the trading deadline
Neuk’m will not rule out signing Bonds. Providing he is not in jail or banned from the game.
by bradleybear on Feb 19, 2009 6:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
After a year-and-a-half away, I doubt a 46-year old could get into game shape very quickly.
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by Goofus on Feb 19, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think it’s about time for people to put away those dreams of seeing Bonds in the batter’s box again.
by chilibean_3 on Feb 19, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Opening day 1st baseman
~500
.285
.305
.465
14
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 19, 2009 7:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I second this one
especially the Opening day 1st baseman part
by FluLikeSymptoms on Feb 19, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Judy Steffes on Feb 19, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
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Wow. That was really mean of me. I take it back. On the other hand, she is a joke.
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by jponry on Feb 19, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
jponry + xanthan = true love 4 ever?
Does his wife know about all these other women!?
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by jcb9 on Feb 19, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Judy Steffes is a girl? Not on the Internet!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 19, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that McC is the second link when you google Judy Steffes.
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by cornball on Feb 20, 2009 6:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes me feel pretty bad about it all, personally.
by Evan on Feb 20, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I kind of hope she never googles herself.
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by jponry on Feb 20, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MANNY NEEDS TO B A GIANT CUZ HE HITZ HOME RUNZ
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 20, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Megamillion.
Those would only be Supercash or Badger 5,
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by WalrusMan on Feb 20, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PA: 550
AB: 520
Walks: 25
HBP: 5 (cuz he can’t get out of the way…)
AVG: .285
OBA: .320
SLG: .455
HR: 18
Defense will be 8 runs below average at third, completely average at first.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Feb 19, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I feel sorry for whoever goes through this in october of next year...
AB: 480
AVG: .315
OBP: .339
SLG: .487
HR: 23
If God had intended us not to rosterbate, he would've made our arms shorter.
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by Mike Hawk on Feb 19, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nobody does!
That’s the fun part!
by bondslegend on Feb 19, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly! Everyone’s gonna be watching the Giants sweep in the World Series… duh.
by DividedByZero on Feb 19, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PA: 515
AVG: .318
OBP: .360
SLG: .462
HR: 27
by walkoff baltimore chop on Feb 20, 2009 12:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hope you’re right!!
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by Lyle on Feb 20, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AB:485
BA: .280
OPB: .330
SLG: .414
HR: 14
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