Giants Pursuing Catcher with Low On-Base Percentage, Overrated Receiving Skills
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You forgot stupid nick name.
So when will ’Tek be traded and whom for?
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Brad Ausmus
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What's the downside to starting the season with Posey?
I mean, aside from the fact that no one thinks he’s ready blah blah blah.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
There isn't a downside
People have talked themselves into believing that “he isn’t ready” but it really isn’t the case.
Posey will put up better numbers than any of the broken down hackers that the Giants are looking at.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
He's a perfect #3 in the lineup
If we didn’t get anyone else, I could be okay with this lineup:
Velez/Torres
Sanchez
Posey
Sandoval
Bowker
Rowand
Garko
Renteria
Of course, I could really embrace the lineup if Velez/Torres were replaced with Lewis. It’s not just the stupid that bugs me about our FO, it’s that they have a lot of ingredients to field a better team, and yet they are blind to it.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Erm, why would you have your second best hitter in the 7th spot in the lineup? It’s also premature to talk about Posey as a middle of the order hitter at this stage so if you just swapped those two you’d be better off.
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Fine
I agree that Garko is a lot better than people realize.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Velorres
Sanchez
Garko
Panda
Posey
Bowker
Rowand
Renteria
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
vulcans hit HRs, right?
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
It figures that of all the people of all the series that would have a baseball reference, it would be Sisko who would be the Giants fan.
/ dark, gloomy DS9 quip
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Being able to transcend linear time helps when you’re a Giants fan.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
It Does
did I ever tell you about the time I revisited 2002?
They used to. But a drop of red matter took care of most of ’em.
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but cats and gerbils all think Garko is fantastic.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 8, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
The only reason for this that I’m okay with is “arbitration clock”. Saying he’s ‘not ready’ is bullshit.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
yeah, but if you say “arbitration clock” then the agent files a grievance, and all sorts of bad shit happens.
Shrewd Sabean is Shrewd!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Yep, no possible downside to throwing a 22 year old with 125 games of professional experience into the 3-hole of a Major League club.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
LOL READING!
The 3-hole idea wasn’t mine.
Besides, lineup construction is very overrated.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
LOL ready!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 8, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
LOL SUB .300 OBP CATCHERS!!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm hoping a double whammy on whichever broken down catcher the Giants sign.
#1. He signs cheap
#2. He gets hurt so Posey takes over.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
Well the downside is that we’d lose a season of Posey in his prime and we’d also potentially have to pay him more.
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Didn't we lose that with his playing time last year?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
No, the playing time last year means he needs to spend 2 months in the minors to get the extra season rather than just one.
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100 Games!
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They wouldn't lose him he would just be more expensive
I am a firm believer in putting the best players on the field. That means Posey over Olivo or any of the other crap they have been looking at the start. The Giants are close enough to being a playoff team to ditch the idea of roster gymnastics just to get another season of “cheap” out of what should be their starting catcher.
Also, the stupidity of wasting time trying to find a catcher when they already have one in-house just boggles the mind.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Sabean must really love going against the grain
I can’t think of any other team that would stall Posey this way.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
The Orioles did basically the same thing with Wieters last year didn’t they? The Brewers did the same thing with Ryan Braun if I’m not mistaken.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 8, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
However none of those players played the year before
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
True
but it’s service time. Doesn’t matter when said service time happend.
So we have to wait three months for posey. Waiting two months would make him a super 2
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
perhaps. I believe Super Two status is granted by averaging the service time of all arb eligible players. It’s really a best guess.
Besides, if Buster is who we think he is (thanks Dennis Greene!) than he’ll hit his way onto the team fairly quickly, just like Lincecum pitched his way onto the team in an expedited manner.
perhaps. I believe Super Two status is granted by averaging the service time of all arb eligible players. It’s really a best guess.
there is a threshold (117 days?) in order to be eligible.
perhaps. I believe Super Two status is granted by averaging the service time of all arb eligible players. It’s really a best guess.
Hasn’t he already?
Besides, if Buster is who we think he is (thanks Dennis Greene!) than he’ll hit his way onto the team fairly quickly, just like Lincecum pitched his way onto the team in an expedited manner.
Then why are we worrying about this?
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Right, but the actual Super Two eligibility does fluctuate from year to year, correct?
I don’t mind seeing him mash in Fresno for a couple of months before he comes up, but I do think we’re all worrying this whole thing to death.
a couple months in Fresno would almost guarantee super two status.
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I see that there is much I didn't know
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
It Would Take Closer To 3 Months
Buster already has 32 days of MLB service time. The Giants can most likely afford to give him another 90 or so in 2010 and still keep him non super 2 in 2013. This means they can not bring him up until the 1st of July or later if they want to be confident they are likely to avoid super 2.
by giantsrainman on Dec 8, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
The threshold is established anew each year. The player has to be in the top 17% (by service time) of the players who have at least two but less than three years of major league service. Generally speaking, it’s around 2 years, 130 days (this year was 139). So a team is usually safe starting a guy in the majors around Memorial Day if he has no previous service time. Since Posey does have 30 days, the Giants would have to keep him in AAA until the latter half of June, at least, to avoid making him a Super 2.
The Rays did much the same with David Price, but he was up before the end of May last year.
This stuff confuses me.
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Yes, but there also is a threshold you have at least X amount of service time. For example, if for some reason every 2+ year service time had 2 years +1 day service time exactly no one would be a super two.
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think so
A player with three or more years of service, but less than six years, may file for salary arbitration. In addition, a player can be classified as a “Super Two” and be eligible for arbitration with less than three years of service. A player with at least two but less than three years of Major League service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if he has accumulated at least 86 days of service during the immediately preceding season and he ranks in the top 17 percent in total service in the class of Players who have at least two but less than three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with at least 86 days of service accumulated during the immediately preceding season.
The guy has to have 86 days in the immediately preceding season, but as long as he meets that threshold he’s eligible.
I could of sworn they had a limit. Oh well.
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Neither did Posey!
/rimshot
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 8, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
They would, if Posey spends the first 2 months in the minors then he’ll be a free agent after the 2016 season as opposed to the 2015 season. Whether that (or the money savings) are enough to keep him in the minors is a matter of debate but it is a clear downside.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
EVERYONE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT 2015/16.
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Especially since we’ll all be dead by then anyway.
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/wonders what Natto is planning.
//Wants in
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
+1
Yep. 2015? 5 fucking years from now? Fuck a whole bunch of that nonsense.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
While I tend to agree, I just want to point out how articles were written and there was talk about how the Giants cost themselves a ton of money by calling up Lincecum when they did and not waiting a month. It seems that Sabean is damned if he does or damned if he doesn’t.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 8, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
If he turns into a super-two though, that’d affect us a lot earlier.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
So they do the arb dance for a year and then buy out his arb years with a long term deal (if he is worth it). Frankly, I don’t really care about bowtie’s dollars. They drafted him. Pay him his money if he is worth it.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah it’s a long time off but it’ll eventually come and at that stage you’ll be pretty incovenicenced just as we are with having to dish out and extra $10M this year or just as we would be if Lincecum was due to hit free agency a year earlier.
Also, what are you really gaining from losing a year of Posey in his prime? You’re saving yourself a couple of Million dollars (which you could end up costing yourself more)! Wow! You’re also downgrading from Posey but given that he’s only had 100 AB above A-ball he’s not likely to hit all that well in the first couple of months. The projections have him being worth about 1.5 runs better than Zaun over the first couple of months.
If you’re talking about having to spend good money to replace him, or you’re talking about a prospect who is going to cause a huge dropoff then you’ve got an issue. If you’re having to spend $2M and lose 1.5 runs then i think there’s a very valid argument for keeping him down to help his development. And that’s why, as mentioned by others, lots of teams delay the service clocks of players.
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It also means he’ll be making more money in 2012.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 8, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Can’t call pitches, can’t catch ball, can’t hit, can warm bench.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 8, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Turn him back into a SS, stat! Problem solved.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
When the said "This is Bruce Bochy's team now"
They really meant that they would field a team with as many Bruce Bochy clones as possible.
BTW, don't feel like making this a fanshot
But Nikolai Bonds is causing some shit.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Someone made one last night, but it’s gone now.
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The rumored deal
So the Tigers give up Granderson and Edwin Jackson and they get Scherzer, Coke and Austin Jackson? How is that a good trade? And the Yankees give up Coke, Austin Jackson and Kennedy to get Granderson? What the shit?
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 8, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t get why the hell the Diamondbacks are doing this.
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Every young pitcher in the division has become neurotic about being compared to Muad’dib
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lulz
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They don’t feel like winning anymore.
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My off-season plan v1.1
Sign Mike Cameron
F*** work and drink
Sanchez 2B
Posey C
Cameron CF
Panda 3B
Garko 1B
Rowand RF
Bowker LF
Renteria SS
Lincecum
Cain
Zito
Sanchez
Pucetas/Martinez
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
Cameron is a better defender than Rowand and Rowand might be as good as Winn in RF with some time.
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 8, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Rowand in right loses whatever little value he has left. He might be like negative 238472834728347238 WAR there.
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Nah. He’ll be below average with the bat, sure, but he might put up a Winn-like 15 UZR in RF. So he’d get at least some of the value back with his glove.
my thoughts exactly
His bat would be awful but his decent ability playing CF could be a really nice UZR in RF
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 8, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, generally players don’t really change value a huge amount if you move them round the OF, what they gain (or lose) in offense they lose (or gain) in defense. Others have studied examples and for most cases there isn’t a lot of difference. Obviously that only applies to players who are deemed capable of playing those positions and it’d probably break down if you tried Adam Dunn in CF.
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
http://twitter.com/TwinsNow/status/6472514649
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what happened to all the moneys we had coming off the books this year?
molina
winn
roberts
noah
are we just pocketing the extra change and lowering beer prices?
Plus I think Zito’s salary goes up this year, plus Cain, plus Rowand, etc.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
nah zito stays at 18.5
But you also have
Sanchez- 6 Mil
Rowand- Wash (8 mil+4 mil bonus for 09, 12 mil for 10)
Cain- 2 mil raise
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Renteria’s getting $2 million more, too. Ugh.
$1 million more for Affeldt.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Bonuses from last year equal amount of raise.
/not sure if bonuses are included in payroll decisions
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Ah, you’re right.
Goddamn Renteria contract.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
how have we gone from being close to signing tex or CC last winter (after renteria) to not being able to make a move to add payroll this year?
Lincecum was expcted to jump to 10 million at that time
we added a second baseman, but that’s not CC money
I don’t know that we actually WERE close to signing either of them. Sabean certainly said we weren’t. Of course, he’s also a liar, so who knows.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
wasn’t it part of the we’re close on carlos lee, a soriano, te discussion but no one wants to hit in our park rant?
No, this one was a “how dare those assholes raise expectations by saying I was going to sign Sabathia when that was never an option” rant. At least with Sabathia. I don’t remember him saying anything about Teixeira.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Plus, that caliber of player doesn’t exist this off season.
Tex& CC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bay and Holliday
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
but half the teams in the league WANT to dump money, i get we don’t have the prospects to trade, but if we have money we can build a lineup that consists of something other than 7 and 8 hitters
Really? Who?
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder, though
If we might’ve spent less in draft bonuses this year. Wheeler’s bonus was almost $3 million less than Posey’s.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Did the thread really make it this far without.....
…a single comment about Grant’s reputation?!?!
Plotting the ultimate demise of Gore51 (never met him, I dunno he could be swell) so as to adopt Kyle Nicholson.
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by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Dec 8, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions
Reputation?
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Just a recitation.
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Feck! Feck! Feck!
Giants in Talks with the Padres for Kouzmanoff
This is an ass trade….for a guy who is essentially an Ishikawa who gets on base less
Lucky Giants shorts from Target > Jobu
FFFFFF
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Yes, let’s trade for a guy with a .308 career OBP who would essentially take the place of a first baseman!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
i think sabes is laying low for crede
not saying this is the answer, but if he comes on an uribe-type deal
Now that I check, Kouzmanoff had some value in 2009
Largely based on a probably-flukey UZR, though.
UZR/150, 2009: 10.7
UZR/150, career: 2.8
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Well, he IS right-handed
And would perhaps crack 25 HRs in SF. Still, I agree. Sabean perhaps feels that he can let the stupid flow, now that AZ has dropped such a bomb.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
LOL
#mlb The SF Giants are talking to the Padres about 3B Kevin Kouzmanoff, but SD wants more than OF Fred Lewis and IF Kevin Frandsen
Better to just sign Feliz if you want to go that route!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I’d be OK trading 2 40 man roster spots that we are not going to use for 1.
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LOL
That would mean we would have approximately 60 1B/3B in our lineup!!!
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Dec 8, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Brian Sabean is about to drop a huge load of stupid all over us.
His stomach is rumbling as we speak.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 8, 2009 12:08 PM PST reply actions
WOH
Peter Gammons To Leave ESPN
By Tim Dierkes [December 8 at 2:08pm CST]
Surprising press release today: legendary journalist Peter Gammons will leave ESPN to pursue other endeavors after the Winter Meetings. Hopefully Gammons will continue writing for another outlet.
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Now to post it on the new thread so we can have it in all threads.
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