McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List #7
by marcello on Dec 6, 2009 11:45 AM PST
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Please do not rec these, we don't want to have them cluttering up the recommended fanposts. Thanks
Tommy Joseph with the close win. Here is our list so far:
- Buster Posey
- Madison Bumgarner
- Thomas Neal
- Zack Wheeler
- Roger Kieschnick
- Tommy Joseph
For #7, we have the following options:
Each player should have a link to Baseball Cube in their first name and a link to First Inning in their last name if they are available. The poll will close Tuesday at noon, unless it's clear enough to call, then it will be Monday around noon.
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PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT WITH PEOPLE YOU THINK SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE NEXT POLL
If a name is already suggested, please rec the comment to add your vote for that player.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Hector Sanchez
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 6, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Darren Ford
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Dec 6, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Brett Pill
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 6, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
All four voted ;)
Passionate folks. He’ll be on the next poll, along with Ford and Bucardo.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Jose Casilla
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Dec 6, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Jorge Bucardo!
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Dec 6, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Matthew Graham
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by GiantFan on Dec 7, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Graham was the 177th player taken in the draft which loosely means that major league baseball thought 176 players were better than him. Even the Giants picked people like Dominguez, Stoffel, and Belt before him. He hasn’t thrown a professional pitch and it wasn’t reported that he dropped due to signability issues. He shouldn’t be considered for the top 10.
He got a $500K signing bonus, which was the third highest the Giants gave out this draft – higher than Dominguez and Stoffel, but behind Joseph and Wheeler.
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Graham
As I said before, there were no reported signability issues. He had considerably more leverage as a high schooler to get the 500K bonus than college juniors or seniors have. I’m excited as anyone that we signed him, but let’s be real. If he is as good as a first or second rounder, then he would have been selected then instead of the 6th round. I have him around 25 on my list.
Of course there were, everyone knew that he’d be a tough sign and that they’d have to go over slot to sign him, as we clearly ended up having to do. You’re right that he probably would have gone in the 1st or 2nd round if someone wanted him but after that i’m sure a lot of teams didn’t bother due to signability issues.
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Graham was the 177th player taken in the draft which loosely means that major league baseball thought 176 players were better than him.
No, not really. Issues like signability and cost can make a big difference, too.
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As mentioned by others draft position can depend on other issues such as signability. Graham was a 1st round talent who dropped due to a poor year and the fact that he required a large bonus, he was nowhere near a 6th round pick on talent. The previous year is a decent example where Crawford was drafted 117th and Barnes 237 but both were rated as decent prospects last year.
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Crawford and Barnes proved their worth with stellar pro seasons. Matt Graham has not thrown a professional pitch yet so there is nothing to go on.
Crawford had 14 ABs and Barnes had around 50 innings before the year started. Barnes was rated as our 9th best prospect by BA and 13th on the community list whilst Crawfod was ranked 14th on the community list.
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Barnes was awesome his first year. He was quickly moved up to Augusta where he dominated. His playoff starts (which were shutouts) were not included in the 50 innings. His #9 was justified. With Crawford, we also had playoff at bats and at least we saw him play. BA left him off the top 30.
That "we saw him play"
didn’t add anything to his value. The only thing it confirmed was that he does, in fact, plays baseball, and that he has all his limbs.
I was promised lasagna.
waldis joaquin
either now or soon. The guy could be pitching hi stress 8th innings in the bigs all year for all we know
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Dec 7, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Mmm, not yet. He strikes out way too much for my liking. And the NWL pitching isn’t that good, either. I don’t think it bodes well for Dominguez.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
He certainly didn’t perform that well this year but less than 200 AB shouldn’t discount him entirely. I mean i wouldn’t put either Graham or Dominguez on yet but given the other options we’re moving into the 15-20 range and i’d put both on before some of the others mentioned (such as Pill).
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Pill hater.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Pill popper.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 8, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
Voting RafRod, though Crawford is close
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Rafrod
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by say hey nation on Dec 6, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Me too
I’ll definitely be voting for Crawford next.
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Voted RafRod. Next I’m going to get into the whole Crawford/Adrianza/Noonan quagmire. I had intended to push Noonan down to about 10 or 11, but I think Evan and Grant (and inadvertantly a comment I made in a different context) made me rethink and nudge him back up so Nick may well be my next candidate.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Same for me
Noonan might be climbing my list.
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
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Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I voted Crawford
But I’m fine with just about anybody at this point, other than Runzler or Stoffel.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
In that case
Write-in vote for Waldis Joaquin!!!!
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Somewhat related tangent, though
I’m curious: how many guys have been closers/relievers in college and the low minors, and then successfully converted into starters?
The only one I can think of is Russ Ortiz.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Scratch that
I want to stop voting for Crawford, so vote for him fuckers.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
agreed
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 6, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Now it's RafRod time
#.8 will be a tough one for me. I am still not exactly sure who to go with… I am thinking Adrianza, but might also choose Crawford.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 2:01 PM PST reply actions
Thanks
I’m a big fan of his and the fact that he can probably stay in CF just makes me like him that much more
As I understand it
He’s a huge tools guy and scouts love him.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Yeah that's true
Here’s an exerpt from BA Last year
Breakout Candidate: Francisco Peguero-OF. Though a bit old at 20 to be playing his first season in the U.S., the Giants find his blend of tools and high energy optimism irrestible.
VROOOOOOOMMM!
Man, I wish at least a couple of these prospects would take a walk now and then. Peguero walked eight times this past season.
It’s interesting to see that Runzler doesn’t really seem to be be gaining any ground. He got 21% in the 5th place vote, 26% in 6th place, and is now at 26% again here. Looks like his appeal isn’t extending beyond his original core supporters as of yet.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Runzler is the Sarah Palin of Giants prospects.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 7, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Thats what I thought would happen
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 6, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Sticking with Crawford here. Probably voting Noonan next. Sticking with the polish-over-potential theme. Still down on RafRod as a 16-17 year old corner outfielder.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
personally, that seems a bit high for him if you ask me
of course, the margin between the prospects now is very minimal
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Raf Rod
on upside.
Next I think Nick Noonan. For the chance he could be a bat and a middle-infield glove rather than just a glove like Crawford.
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
It's funny
I’ve never been high on Noonan, but this exercise has made me much more excited about him. I always forget that he’s pretty young and that scouts love him. It helps to hear people talk him up. At the end, I’m probably going to think the top 20 prospects in all of baseball are Giants.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Disagree
I think Brandon’s offensive potential is slightly better than Nick’s, although that may end up being more of a power advantage than a batting average advantage.
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Nick Noonan, 2b, Giants: Noonan has yet to put up big numbers in full-season ball, but the former sandwich pick has been part of two championship teams the last two years, spending last year in high Class A at age 20. He covers the plate almost too well, as he puts tough pitches in play too often. With more discipline, he can be become the quintessential offensive second baseman.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 7, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
BEST COMMAND OF STRIKE ZONE
BEST EYE
BEST PLATE DISCIPLINE
I feel like I hear very different things about Noonan from external sources (and stats) than from Giants BRASZ evaluators.
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
Does anybody still consider Burriss a prospect?
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He has almost 500 major league PA, so even putting aside talent or lack thereof, he’s far beyond counting on a top prospects list.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Alright
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 6, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
RafRod then Runzler then Crawford then Stoffel, though I’m tempted to put Crawford ahead of Runzler. might change my mind.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 6, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions
Who is this Stoffel guy?
Is he really a top 10 prospect?
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relief pitcher and 4th round draft pick last draft
evidently had 1st round stuff, but lost some bite on his pitches last season, so his stock dropped. When his stuff was working, he had a good fastball (up to 96) and breaking ball. I think he’s expected to move fairly quickly through the system as a middle innings guy.
I hope I didn’t fall into some sort of sarchasm here.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
He pitched in 17 games (20 IP) in Rookie League and Salem-Keizer after signing
His numbers: 0.90 ERA, 0.75 WHIP, 19 K, 1 BB, 0 HR.
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Those are really good
but that 19:1 K:BB blows me away.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 6, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
you do have to take into account the leagues he pitched in
but yeah, Stoffel could move through the ranks quickly if he keeps that up.
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Dan Otero had similar stats at Salem Kaiser and no one is talking about him in the top 10.
Well
from what we have seen so far, he is good. I will reconsider if/when he starts struggling.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 7, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
not at all, thanks for the info
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 6, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Wow. Crawford pulls ahead.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 7, 2009 5:48 AM PST reply actions
crawford
Crawford held his own in AA, while making the biggest jump in skill levels, they say, in the middle of the year. And earned his way there, dominating San Jose like Pablo used to, and like Klieshnik and Noonan did not.
Adrianza hit about the same, 2 years younger and 2 levels down.
RafRod held his own in rookie league but no more than that. I am probly Runzler next.
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
Well, given his glove he might not need to hit that much, but still I wouldn’t call .258/.294/.365 with a 100/20 K/BB in 423 PA holding his own
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
if we could only assemble a new infielder out of the attributes of Crawford and Brock Bond.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I was thinking the other day that we need to combined Crawford, Gillaspie, and Kieschnick into one prospect. Kieschnick’s power, Crawford’s glove, Gillaspie’s plate discipline. GIT R DONE, SCIENCE BRASS.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Adam Witter and Jackson Williams
I always thought if someone could combine the best attributes of these two, we would have an all-star catcher.
That still wouldn’t be all that good of a player.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Enh. Brock Bond is already in his mid-20s and has no power whatsoever. He’s just a year removed from having a sub-.800 OPS in the Sally League. This year was better, but it still leads to an MLE of .275 / .350 / .335. While that’s a nice OBP, the lack of power is almost Burrissian.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Shame on all of you who jumped off the Runzler bandwagon after #5.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 7, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
ha ha. a classic.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 7, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Looking at the state of this race, it looks like Marcello will enter any moment to curse us all.
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Goddamn it
Last night Crawford had a big enough lead that I didn’t think we’d be going to a runoff. I’m going to let this run until noon, when the poll will close automatically, and see where we’re at. As it currently stands though, it’s looking like a runoff.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
next vote could be just a runoff
Runzler vs Rafrod or Runzler vs Crawford
that way we settle 2 spots, 8 and 9, at once, then go on to a furious debate over #10.
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
This makes sense to me
Not sure if anyone has a problem with it, but I think these three guys are far enough ahead of the pack to do that.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Thats fine. Just know that that system is only really deciding the next place and the loser should be included in the next poll.
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by say hey nation on Dec 8, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
I’d do a runoff between Crawford and Rodriguez and then either just place the winner and move onto #8 or place both and move on to #9. They’re both clear of Runzler and i’d imagine a lot of those choosing Crawford and Rodrgiuez would vote for someone else other than Runzler.
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I would not be in favor of this. We have no idea if the loser of the runoff is the second choice of anyone who didn’t vote for him. Even if 40% think Runzler should be #7, it could well be that the other 60% think he should be #14.
+1
I’m voting Noonan next, not RafRod.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Dec 8, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Well, Crawford pulled away enough to avoid a runoff
And there wasn’t enough support to just do a runoff between Runzler and Rodriguez, so we continue on as normal.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
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