Who Plays Catcher In 2010
by AndrewWK on Dec 5, 2009 11:30 PM PST
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So it looks like Bengie won't be back, and Posey's going to start the year in AAA. It's still clear that Posey will be our catcher by or before 2011, but who should be our backstop come opening day? Do we sign another decent powered, low OBP option like Rod Barajas or Miguel Olivo? Make the trade for a Ryan Doumit or Chris Snyder? Sit tight with Eli Whiteside? Let the battle begin...
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Voted for Eli
Would rather not waste any money. Eli can hold it down until Poseytime.
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I really wouldnt mind Doumit
Once Posey is ready he can switch over to 1st
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 5, 2009 11:44 PM PST reply actions
yea thats kinda what I was thinking. If we land Nick Johnson it would be nice to have Doumit as a backup option at first and he could also potentially platoon with Bowker, Velez or Lewis in LF.
Thing A
No way we would get Doumit as a backup
If we got Doumit we probbaly wouldnt get Johnson
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 6, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Well, we’d get Doumit to start at catcher and get Johnson to start at 1B. The hope would be that Posey would be good enough to force Doumit into something of a backup role where he’d play in a corner outfield spot vs lefties and give Johnson or Posey a day off on other days.
Thing A
The problem with Doumit is that you will have to be willing to part with prospects. I wouldn’t want to do this for a backup C.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
again
He’d begin as the starting catcher and only move to a backup role if the team felt Posey was ready to be called up and be an everyday player. Even then Doumit wouldn’t exactly be your typical backup C. I’m talking about a role where between catcher, 1B, and LF he’d probably start as many games as most of the regulars, and if his bat is as good next year Bill James projects he’d probably be among the 3-4 best hitters on the team. Obviously it depends on what the Pirates are asking for, but his positional flexibility combined with his superior bat makes him by far the most attractive option on this list.
Thing A
I see your point. On the Giants it might actually work out, but on an actual team with ML players he probably wouldn’t hit enough to play 1B or LF. I personally wouldn’t want to part with players to get him, still.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yea, I agree on another team that wouldn’t be a role where he’d play all that much, but an OPS of .800 is something this team would have to find ways to get into the lineup. If Nick Johnson is signed there will have to be a capable backup for him on the roster and it would be nice to have someone who can play a corner outfield spot and hit lefty pitching well. Of course Ryan Garko could fill both those roles too, but since the team isn’t willing to just turn the catching duties over to Buster full time to start the year and Garko seems likely to be non-tendered, Doumit seems like a guy the team should seriously look at. I don’t have any idea what kind of prospect(s) the Pirates are looking to get for him. I suspect its too much, but considering the options and our current lineup I think he’s definitely worth looking into.
Thing A
If we get Doumit
he will have to be an everyday player, no platoons.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 6, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
well he’d start out as an everyday catcher, and if Posey gets called up to be the everyday catcher Doumit could still be an everyday type of player by platooning in the OF and backing up 1B and C. It seems like there would be more than enough ABs between those two spots to qualify him as an everyday player even if Posey is the starting catcher.
Thing A
If I were the Pirates
… and were willing to trade Doumit, I’d be looking for a return that considers him a top-5 offensive catcher.
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but seriously, it’ll probably be someone like Olivo.
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Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
What's rea;;y deperessing is that we really care.
Posey’s potential aside, it’s rather embarrassing that the Giants are COUNTING on offense form their CATCHER.
It’s nice to have a backstop that can hit, but a competently run team should be able to bat their catcher 8th without batting an eye.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Wait a minute...........
Doesn’t our catcher bat cleanup? BORK BORK
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
HE HAD HIS CHANCE!!!!!!1
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 6, 2009 1:48 AM PST reply actions
actually
SEVENTEEN chances. He is teh suxxors
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Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Dec 6, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t know that Ryan Garko once won the Johnny Bench Award.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Bench_Award
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depending on how he goes in spring training, Buster COULD start…
right? RIGHT?!
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I voted for Ausmus
It makes sense to sign a veteran backup and give Posey the majority of the playing time. Every team in the major leagues besides the Giants would probably look at it this way. Unfortunately the Giants think they need to spend the little money they have on a starting catcher.
I could see them signing Josh Bard and annoiting him the starter, because he had a crazy hot streak back in 2006 after the Padres aquired him midseason. He hasn’t hit well after that ,but we all know Bochy’s selective memory when it comes to shitty hitters
Miguel Olivo
In his article this morning in the Chron, John Shea quotes Olivo’s agent as mentioning that Miguel lives in Modesto. Clearly he needs a job badly and is willing to live anywhere in Northern California.
by VidaWantsYourCar on Dec 6, 2009 7:54 AM PST reply actions
Trust me
There is nothing good about Modesto. Well, other than that big line of taco trucks by the railroad tracks. But other than that, nothing.
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by TehGreekStallion on Dec 6, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
we found a really good restaurant not far from the ballpark
family-run, really excellent. http://www.yelp.com/biz/la-familia-juarez-restaurant-modesto#hrid:1scmtIkDbtUACgIMk8B7Sg
(LOL yelpers “OMG who would have guessed there’s good mexican food in the middle of nowhere”)
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by natteringnabob on Dec 6, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Who would have guessed that Mexican-Americans would live in Modesto, and OMG, actually know how cook good food!?!
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
What scares me about Olivo
is that he is like Bengie lite. He hits Dingers and I think he was good at handling the staff Greinke. But he can’t take a walk to save his life. I voted for Kendall because I think he’s a good guy to mentor Posey.
I voted Barajas
I don’t think Ausmus is capable of being a starter for any extended length of time, which is what Sabean has said he’s looking for. Doumit is coming a year with a fluky low BABiP, but I don’t think he’ll hit enough in the long run to stick at 1B/LF. He’d be expensive in trade, so that all kind of falls apart. And Whiteside simply isn’t going to be the starter. After that, it’s kind of pick your poison. I’m not as opposed to Barajas as I am to the rest of the list.
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Voted for Barajas. Somewhat of a polished turd. I like Doumit, but don’t want to part with the players that PIT would ask for in a trade.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 8:31 AM PST reply actions
Pretty much. His BABIP was about .30 lower than his normal rate, so he might be back to a 80/90 OPS+ kind of guy, which wouldn’t be a horrific think if it isn’t in the freaking cleanup spot.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 6, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
should add
Bengie Molina should be considered a live possibility now. Perhaps the Mets, won’t offer him a multiyear deal, in which case I could see the Giants bringing him back.
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There is that 1% I keep hearing about!
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t care, but I think it’ll end up being Pudge.
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Other
Some guy named Gerald.
I think he could still get the opening day “honors”. Just frequent rest and bench action from whomever his backup is. We now Sabes and Bochy don’t seem to think wasting Posey on the bench is bad thing. So he plays 60/40 with his backup(s) and doesn’t get to 100 games and wear out.
Plus all this “consensus” not a 100+ game starter could all be BS, the moment he has a hot streak in ST and the new 8 million dollar vet catcher gets hurt because he is lold.
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
Unless he “gets stronger” or more “musculature” the Giants may not have him catching in 2011. Gerald will need to man up in 2010 otherwise he may need a new glove. This would not be a bad thingy.
Now your speculating that he won’t be catching in 2011?!
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
I’m on record saying that if these same questions still persist a year from now the Giants would consider finding Posey a new position. And this would not be a bad thingy.
and when bengie falls into the lake...
ROW THE TUBBER!!!
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I see what you have done there.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 7, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
well, I know. But these “questions” were there when he was drafted as well. If the Giants had any intentions of playing him at a different position then he would have already been moved. All that would do is derail the time frame of him being an every day ML player. He’s going to be a catcher.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt Buster has the range to play shorstop, but man, what a BAT he would have there.
Third base would seem a good position to me when he wasn’t catching, and I would like to see Pablo behind the plate those days. Sounds as if the Giants aren’t expecting any more catching from Pablo though.
If the Giants would be open to these ideas Posey could start the season in The City. Playng 3b could also prolong his career. A skinnier Pablito could catch and then Sabean should be looking for a 1b
I personally love the idea of splitting some time at 3B and C for both Pablo and Posey (though Posey still gets the majority of the time at C, maybe 75% or so)…
by Missing Barry on Dec 8, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Then he better get his smaller mit on, like yesterday
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 8, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
You know it’s not exactly like they need to find a witch doctor and translate some ancient religious ceremony from a long-dead language to get the kid stronger. They actually have people on staff with graduate degrees in “how to make athletes stronger.” Am I missing something here? Is this not a fairly fundamental activity for every professional, amateur, college and high school athletic program in America? Design a strength regimen for the kid and put him on it. What’s the issue exactly?
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I think the whole "get Posey stronger" thing
Is merely an excuse for those that think Bengie was a good offensive player. Bork has convinced them that a catcher has to be responsible for a significant offensive contribution.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 6, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I think it’s funny that there reasoning for not starting Posey is because of the workload, when Molina has looked worn down every year in September
by NateEveryday on Dec 6, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I call it obesity.
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or in other words, not being able to handle the workload.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
It Does Not Matter.
As it stands, even if the Giants match last years “runs against”, they are so inept offensively, combined with Sabean’s stated intent to not pursue any quality free agents, who squats for them is beside point.
The point being; the Giants have no interest in significantly improving their roster.
by E Ticket on Dec 6, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions
The point being; the Giants have no interest in significantly improving their roster.
I believe this is closer to the truth than many will admit.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 6, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Irony
The Johnny Bench Award was initiated in 2000 for the Collegiate Catcher of the year. Two of them (Garko and Posey) are on the Giants roster.
Pitchers and Catchers report in weeks, and he has no idea who or what he is going to do for a starting catcher?
He doesn’t want to face arbitration with Molina even though he states that Molina already has a two year offer, yet in the call, states he wants draft choices rather than spend money on free agents? Even though he is virtually assured of a free sando pick simply by letting Mantits decline arbitration?
WTF?
Is he that drunk all the time?
by E Ticket on Dec 6, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Irony is when something unexpected occurs.
Ineptitude from Sabean is expected.
Good post though.
Lethargy
It has me
It’s a disproportion between what is expected and what is actually true.
/checks link, which says
incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result
Hey, I was pretty much on par with what I remembered as the definition of irony! Obviously I didn’t go into that much detail with my previous comment, but that was the intent with which I phrased it.
You want a correction?
Irony is when
something unexpected occurs.there is an incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected resultIneptitude from Sabean is expected.
Eh! Still true.
Lethargy
It has me
and once again the debate....
Brian Sabean. Stupid or Incompetent?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Stupid AND Incompetent, or malicious and evil
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I'd like Doumit
We could start him at C and move him to a C-1B-RF utility role when Posey’s ready.
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Pittsburgh’s front office is actually well run these days. I’d be scared of any trade involving Sabean vs. Pirates…
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
I'll take Pudge for 1 year more so for his handling
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I like the idea of Olivo or Barajas…they have a ton of power and I think Olivos numbers were all better than Molinas besides BA especially when you take into consideration that Molina had 100 more PA’s than Olivo.
Barajas would be ok and I really only like the power aspect of him and how he is a vet.
If Brad Ausmus will willing to play for 1 million like last season or 2 million like 2008, than i say go with him as the backup to either Olivo or Barajas…make Eli actually work for it this season and if not, cut him loose.
i like the idea of Buster at Triple-A, if were not in contention in September, i say give him a month long audition for 2011…basically giving him all the starts.
looks like pablo may have to catch for a year.
Oooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh!
Bengie=Olivo. DNW!
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 6, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Sadly enough
Bengie>Olivo. Olivo may the one player in the major leagues with more hackertude than Bengie (career .278 OBP!!), and he doesn’t have Bengie’s average or defense.
this
coupled with the “OMG BAY AREA TIEZ” convinces me that he will be the guy.
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Barajas, if he'd take a one-year deal.
And that is in question, as his agent wants two years. And Olivo wants two years as well.
That being said, I think they should definitely fill the catcher slot by way of a FA, rather than a trade.
Hell, if it came down to it, let Garko and Whiteside handle it for 2010 and bat out of the #8 slot.
Responsible for the last great homegrown Giants team.
I vote for Pablo
Put Panda back into a catcher platoon! He was the backup catcher last year…
Other: Ronny Paulino
If the Giants end up trading for Uggla they would be wise to find a way to get Paulino as a throw-in, or perhaps for a lower cost than would be needed in a direct trade.
It’s an option.
Lethargy
It has me
Paulino already got his shot with SF and didn’t produce.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 8, 2009 5:56 AM PST up reply actions
.000/.000/.000
Tsk tsk Ronny. You should know better than to do that in a small sample size for Sabes.
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by giantsrainman on Dec 8, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
The more I see the options, the more the line of Posey / Garko / Whiteside / Sandoval seems good.
It’s going to be a shame when we non-tender Garko.
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