Buster Not Opening Day Catcher :-(
Looks like they plan on him being in AAA.
"We came to the overall conclusion it would be a tall order to ask him to do that. He just hasn't played a lot." --Sabean
Maybe he should have forced Big Head to play him more at the end of the year!
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by shanghaijim on Dec 4, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
there's four places...
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by redhornet78 on Dec 4, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
calling it
Steve Holm backing up Cap’n Eli
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by stealth snail on Dec 4, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
At least they aren’t planning to move Sandoval to 1B! Amirite?
by AndOnTheDrums... on Dec 4, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No upset by this
If it gives us one more year of team control.
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by jctGamer on Dec 4, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and gives Gerald more time to muscle up?
Does anyone know Dan Dilbey from KNBR? He said in this in an interiview :
King: There is a lot of people that want to see Posey as the starting catcher next season. Do you think Posey is ready for that role?
Dibley: I don’t think he is ready to be the everyday catcher. The inside word is that he needs to get more musculature. Once he gets bigger he will tear it up.
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t Dibley the guy who’s been trashing Posey since July?
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 4, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do not know anything about the guy? Is he credible? What kind of sources or insight would the guy have?
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no clue, I just remember him ranting a lot after the Giants called up Posey that he wasn’t ready/Whiteside is better/etc
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 4, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he was right about Posey not being ready part
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 4, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What part of his season are you talking about? His major league performance, which came in 17 ridiculously scattered ABs? His AFL performance?
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 4, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Talking about the comment Dilbey made about the inside word about Gerald’s musculature.
What he did is A ball was expected. What he did at all the other leagues/levels was part of the evaluation
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who has Greg Anderson on speed dial?
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by rxmeister on Dec 4, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark, perhaps you could offer your professional services…
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by Lyle on Dec 4, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would, but I don’t think they’re going to allow me to bring my satellite dish with me to prison.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Dec 5, 2009 5:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, well in the most consistent and largest sample of playing time (AAA), he hit .321/.391/.511. So what’s the issue?
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 4, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is the PCL.
I do not doubt the kid will be a star. No need to rush.
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So? It’s still impressive for a catcher less than a year out of college.
And I, honestly, don’t totally mind Buster starting the year in the minors. But it seems stupid after they called him up last year and have already missed out on signing a guy like Gregg Zaun to hold Buster’s spot until July or whenever.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 4, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the concern is more about his defense and game-calling than his offense. Offensively, he’s ready.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 5, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gamecalling shouldn’t be a concern with a former catcher managing.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 5, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The other knock on Posey seems to be his receiving skills, particularly the way he handles velocity. As John Manuel put it today, “If Posey can’t deal with velocity, he can’t catch in San Francisco.”
I’ve only seen Buster in a few games but I didn’t notice him having problems with velocity. For those who’ve followed him more, how legit of a concern is that?
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by esseffgeez on Dec 5, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But after his major league performance, they were all saying they weren’t concerned about his defense and game-calling. And he’s got a full month to learn our pitchers or whatever. That’s about how much time a free agent catcher would get.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 5, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree it’s not about his offense…but it is more about his stamina, and how his lack of it followed him into the batter’s box particularly in the AFL.
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by BruteSentiment on Dec 6, 2009 2:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The confusing thing to me is that stamina and musculature, etc. aren’t things that are fixed by putting him in Fresno for another season — they’re fixed by creating a fitness and weightlifting regimen for him that they should be conducting and overseeing right now in the winter time — much like they did with Camp Sandoval — to build up his strength and then continuing with a modified program through the season to keep up his weight and his stamina.
This is a training issue, not a roster one. There’s no reason at all that a well devised regimen put in place right now can’t make him stronger for the 2010 season.
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by Roger on Dec 6, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He forced me to side with Tim Kawakami on something. *sigh *
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by Natto on Dec 4, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
And here I thought he had already been tearing it up.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 4, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what Posey did at A ball was expected. What he did at AAA, SF and AFL is under review
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’ve seen his AAA numbers, right?
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 4, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. And it was the PCL. The kid is going to be a star. Why rush? Give him time to develop. The Brass has determined he is not ready and could use some more time. If Posey played another position they might have given him a better opportunity by now
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m ok with him in the minors, there’s just no way to claim it’s performance based.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 4, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giants GM Brian Sabean said he and his staff determined this week that Posey, their best position prospect in a generation, isn’t ready to catch 100-plus games in the big leagues.
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m saying they are full of shit.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 4, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That seemed to me to be more about endurance.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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by cheno on Dec 4, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this then takes us back to the “more musculature” inside word Dibney was tallking about
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he caught 115 games in the minors before September, so I’m not sure where the endurance horseshit comes in.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 5, 2009 4:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember remember reading reports that he seemed tired in the AFL, which is one of the reasons given for his less than stellar hitting. And in that interview that was posted a while back, didn’t he basically admit to being a bit tired after a long year? So maybe that’s where the endurance horseshit comes from. You know, from people getting that impression he was worn out.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 5, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, after 115 games behind in the dish in his first season, he was tired. How many games are we expecting him to start next year? Hopefully not more than 130-140. Seems like 115 games would be an appropriate building block to him starting that many games next season (sort of like starters adding 30 IP a season). But, as usual, the FO thinks you can’t do something until you’ve actually done it.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 5, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Dibley is dumb.
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by Natto on Dec 4, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NOT ENOUGH D WORDS!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Der Damned Dan Dibley ist der dum dum dummkopf.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 4, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What the fuck does Dibley know? Radnich is right when he calls him a boob.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Dec 4, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dibley’s changed his mind. when Posey was called up, it was his defense and pitch-calling that were the reason why Whiteside should start over him.
Remember that. Dan Dibley thought Eli Whiteside was the better option than Buster Posey.
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by oldjacket on Dec 4, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
# of games caught before becoming starting catcher in MLB
Player Games
Matt Wieters (BAL) 169
Chris Iannetta (COL) 236
Ivan Rodriguez (HOU) 271
Chris Snyder (ARI) 281
Yadier Molina (StL) 297
Brian McCann (ATL) 304
Kurt Suzuki (OAK) 314
Nick Hundley (SDG) 316
Joe Mauer (MIN) 346
So yes, not terribly upset by a few more games for Posey.
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by jctGamer on Dec 4, 2009 2:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Posey has played 125 minor league games + 130 college games (after his freshman year) + some number of summer league games. So the question is how does playing in the ACC compare to rookie ball and other lower minor leagues?
Also, according to baseball reference, Joe Mauer has only caught 207 games in the minors.
Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff G Ch PO A E DP Fld% RF/G PB SB CS CS%
6 Seasons 222 1853 1686 154 13 25 .993 8.29 24 117 92 44%
C (6 seasons) C 207 1749 1590 147 12 12 .993 8.39 24 117 92 44%
1B (2 seasons) 1B 14 104 96 7 1 13 .990 7.36
DH (1 season) DH 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 12/4/2009.
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by SF Pete on Dec 4, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Wieters is an extremely unusual case – not quite unprecedented – and still had almost half a season more of professional ball under his belt that Posey does now. About 200 games seems to be around the minimum historically… Johnny Freaking Bench played 265 games in the minors for chrissakes. It’s just not unreasonable to say Posey could use more experience playing every day professionally before being subjected to the pressure of playing every day in the ML.
Rushing him up is a desperation move… now you could argue the Giants are in fact desperate, but it’s still not a slam dunk decision. IMHO.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 4, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe 1/3 of a season.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 4, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Between college and the pros buster has over 200 games. My point, in part, is that you can’t just discount the college experience. Johnny Bench had 265 games but he signed out of HS and was only 19 when got called up. Buster will be 23 next year. Now, I’m not sure if Buster is ready, I think he is, and I don’t think 40 more innings in AAA are going to make a huge difference, but I do think there are some major flaws with this whole “200 games of professional catching” rule.
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by SF Pete on Dec 4, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not even all of his college games were as a catcher… I think he was converted sophomore year. Plus I’m talking more like 400 innings.
Johnny Bench grew up catching (on the advice of his father who felt it gave him the most direct route to the pros). Also, he’s the greatest catcher ever… who spent two years in the minors.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 5, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
?
Joe Mauer has under 300 minor league games total, let alone as a catcher.
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by jcb9 on Dec 4, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
should have known better than to trust Gammons
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by jctGamer on Dec 4, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I wonder how many of those guys were hitting well in AAA yet were kept in the minors to get more experience catching.
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by SF Pete on Dec 4, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is actually the smartest move. Not mad at them taking their time with Buster at all.
Much rather they take their time then ruin him by rushing him when he’s not ready.
Hope we can get a cheap fill-in. Zaun is already gone though.
by Hobbes2d on Dec 4, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The cheap fill-ins are all pretty terrible though.
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by jponry on Dec 4, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is that Sabean is looking for a free agent catcher to sign a one year deal, knowing that he not only can, but WILL lose his job at any time. I’m sure there’s a ton of guys out there looking to fill that role.
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by rxmeister on Dec 4, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A Good Backup That Will Not Hurt The Team If He Has To Start
Their are more then a few of these as many want a be starters are just not going to get the starting roles they hope for.
by giantsrainman on Dec 4, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
then why not trade for the versatile Doumit? Doumit can catch until Posey is promoted at which time Doumit can play other positions
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is it going to cost to get Doumit?
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by jponry on Dec 4, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas Neal
/ducks
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 4, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno
Read the Pirates might be looking to unload.
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
twss
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by shanghaijim on Dec 4, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i've also heard that
doumit… yes please. he can also play 1st when he’s not catching.
by giantdonkey on Dec 4, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Idea!
He is signed for two years with two more option years. Just because he has played other positions doesn’t mean he really has value at other positions. The Giants are not going to add a catcher that requires a multiyear commitment and they shouldn’t either.
by giantsrainman on Dec 4, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True. But most catchers are terrible anyway. Is Josh Bard a FA? He has always posted decent OBP numbers.
by Hobbes2d on Dec 4, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck
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by Useful_Idiot on Dec 4, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m praying for the return of Trey Lunsford!
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by Natto on Dec 4, 2009 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Brad Ausmus – Clean Up Hitter
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Dec 4, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Doumit
Sabean and Bochy love versatile players so why not give Huntington a call
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The fact they are keeping Pablo at 3B makes me hopeful for a Nick Johnson signing.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 4, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m expecting Nick. Haven’t heard any rumors linking LaRoche to the Giants. Then again, Sabean likes to keep his interest quiet and then surprise everyone.
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by rxmeister on Dec 4, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants probably aren’t going to be truly competitive next year anyways, it would take a lot going right, so this is probably a good move. I will absolutely flip out though if they call up Posey a couple of weeks before his clock is delayed.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 4, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Even if he’s absolutely killing it at AAA and the Giants are competitive?
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 4, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you say the Giants aren’t going to be competitive next year, but that’s the last thing on Sabean’s mind as he makes this decision. You can be sure he thinks the Giants’ WILL be competitive and he thinks an inexperienced catcher is going to hurt their chances. If this move was made because Sabean thinks they’re not contending I wouldn’t have a problem with it, but the problem is because Sabean actually thinks they’re better off with some veteran reject being his Opening Day catcher. That’s the kind of thinking that should’ve gotten him fired after this season instead of getting him a new deal. He’ll always think some over the hill stiff will do better than a promising kid in his organization.
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by rxmeister on Dec 4, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly why Brian Must Go.
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by Lyle on Dec 4, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TIEWBMG
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 4, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
I may have to steal that.
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by Lyle on Dec 5, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’ll save a lot of typing.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 5, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not then, we’ll have to see.
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by marcello on Dec 4, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with delaying clocks is closing windows. 2011 is Cain’s walk year. 2013 is Timmy’s. The worst situation we can get ourselves in is to have half our talent walking out the backdoor while trying to coax the other half in through the front.
And I have to say, last year convinced me that the staff will keep them in contention in their division no matter how execrable the rest of the roster is. Especially with the Dodgers money problems apparently preventing them adding anything in the way of pitching.
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by Roger on Dec 5, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most scenarios where the Giants take the division next year involve Posey being the starter from day 1 and playing up to his talents. If he’s starting the year in the minors, his arb clock is probably the primary concern.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 5, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Le sigh
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by GiantsFanInExile on Dec 4, 2009 3:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LAME
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Is Yamid Haad available/
These pretzels are making me thirsty
by NuschlerFace on Dec 4, 2009 3:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Dec 4, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, forgot about him.
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by raisingcain on Dec 4, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bumgarner
Would prefer Bumgarner begin the season at AAA and get used to pitching every fifth day on a regular basis
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After the season, Sabean made it sound like Posey would be the catcher and Bumgarner was not ready for the major leagues. Now with the season over, he does a 180. Too bad for Buster that he didn’t hit .400. Changing his mind on Bumgarner though, is another story. I think it’s telling you that the Giants won’t be spending much money this off season and they would rather rush Bumgarner then spend money on a decent FA pitcher.
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by rxmeister on Dec 4, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i did this whole analysis awhile back. They have no money to to sign a 5th starter. If Penny wants to come back for 1-1.5M? Fine. But they have no money. and Bumgarner probably gives them a better chance to win than most pitchers under 5M
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by jctGamer on Dec 4, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe, I guess we’ll see. If Bumgarner’s missing velocity returns in spring training, then I doubt there will be many opposed to him as the 5th starter
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 4, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even know why I get my hopes up anymore. This organization is just being run by total dopes.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Dec 4, 2009 4:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, this is a good move. The Giants made a huge mistake with Lincecum being a Super Two. Have they possibly learned? We should absolutely try to delay Posey’s service clock to keep him from being a Super Two, and to keep him from getting to a full year of service time this season.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2009 5:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, those 2 Cy Youngs were really badly planned.
by Mrbasepaul on Dec 4, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they’d called Tim up like a month or so later in his first season, that probably wouldn’t have effected what he did in his next two seasons that much.
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by jponry on Dec 4, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, you have to go off the information they had at the time. At the time, he was just an incredibly talented pitcher in the minors and the big league team was going nowhere. Calling him up at the time, instead of waiting a month, was the wrong call.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 4, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have zero problems with Posey starting in AAA. I have massive problems with Eli Whiteside or Brad Ausmus getting 300 ABs. That will quickly torpedo whatever other improvements are made.
by KCE on Dec 4, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that’s the biggest problem here. As happy as we all were to see Bengie Molina leave, it’s starting to look like the starting catcher next year will actually be worse than he was. That’s no way to fix a pathetic offense.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Dec 5, 2009 5:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
however
if that name isn’t pencilled in 4th on the lineup card every day, that’s going to be an improvement.
Assuming, of course, the name that IS in that slot is less horrible than Molina.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 5, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
In light of this information, I think we should have offered Molina arbitration. If he declines, we’re in the exact same boat as we are now just with a couple of extra draft picks. If he accepts, you’re over paying on a one year deal for decent production from a stopgap catcher who you could possibly deal mid-season – not the end of the world, so long as he’s not hitting cleanup.
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by j14 on Dec 5, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Money considerations.
Lethargy
It has me
by dregarx on Dec 6, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean made the wise choice NOT to offer arb. He can now sit back and see if he can get BMoney back on the cheap
by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, I’m okay with Posey starting the year in Fresno, but Sabean’s quote “he just hasn’t played that much.”
No shit. Sitting on the bench will do that.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 4, 2009 6:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 4, 2009 7:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Inexpensive alternative
How about Sandoval catching to begin the year? Let Matt Downs hold down 3B until Posey is ready (June?), then let Panda shift back to 3B. Matt gets some AB’s, we don’t trade away anybody to get Doumit or whomever, and we really aren’t contending next year anyway.
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by Lyle on Dec 4, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If we are going to put someone at catcher who ultimately shouldnt be catching, we should have Garko catch and keep Panda in the infield
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by heimy25 on Dec 4, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With Sandoval on a weight loss program would be interesting to see if the Giants would return Pablito behind the dish. If that works then Posey could come out of the closet dish and play another position.
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Wil, I think you and I are the only ones who like that idea…
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by Lyle on Dec 4, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
especially since we are hearing words like “musculature” and “get stronger” when talking about Posey. Doubt we would hear any of these issues if he played another position.
by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While Pablo catching might be a good idea to some, I think Sabean also made it pretty clear that they want him to play third base next year. I think making him a catcher again would be a bad idea. He may have lost weight but he’ll never be svelte, and his decent speed for a man his size would be quickly lost after a couple of years in the squat. He’ll be running around the bases like Bengie Molina in no time.
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by rxmeister on Dec 5, 2009 5:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it could fit in reasonably well with the Uggla acquisition+Sanchez move to 3B or the signing of a guy like Joe Crede who we can figure will break down halfway through the season anyway, allowing Posey to slide right in.
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by dregarx on Dec 5, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly
this means the Ginats now are short two catchers.
At least in the Lap of Luxury Bustey Poser can play every day, unless of course some gamer like Notgardo is signed to a minor league deal, and must therefore play every day to get ready for his future with the Long Island Ducks.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 4, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with the Giants on this move. Tossing aside comparisons to other players, Posey caught ‘just’ 115 minor league games this season (I’m not including his seven major league games). He effectively got a month and a half off from the wear-and-tear of everyday playing, and went to the AFL, where he effectively played mostly every other day (just 19 of 32 games, on six game a week schedules), and everyone said he looked very tired, and he obviously was affected offensively.
I don’t think he’s ready for a full season of being a catcher, and even if he makes the majors at some point, I doubt he’ll play more than 130 games next season overall between the majors and minors.
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by BruteSentiment on Dec 5, 2009 3:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but what’s he going to be doing down in Fresno? Won’t he be catching every day over there? That counts, doesn’t it? Unless they’re planning on using him as a DH half the time, he’s still going to catch a full season next year. And if they are planning on using him often as a DH, he’s not going to get the full catching experience he needs to get before he comes back up here.
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by rxmeister on Dec 5, 2009 5:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think "handling pitchers"
is kind of a crock, but at least playing once per week in SF he’d see the NL batters and learn how to pitch to them. Not real excited with the “development” among batters in Fresno the past few years. Like, 15 years.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 5, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to be an everyday catcher no matter where he is.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 5, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It all sounds like we won’t be seeing much of Buster until 2011.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 5, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The DH thing is big...
Anytime the Grizzlies play an AL affiliate in the PCL, he can take an extra day off from the catching wear and tear.
Part of building the endurance is stamina, and stretching him out. That isn’t done by letting him catch 120+ games in an effective row and then keep pushing him and letting him fail and be bad on the field. It’s more about giving him 120 games over the 162 game season, but letting the DHing give him a few more offdays for recovery in between without taking him off the field completely.
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by BruteSentiment on Dec 6, 2009 2:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then why can’t he play 120 spread out games in the majors?
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by groug on Dec 6, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he’ll play more than 130 games next season overall between the majors and minors.
Yeah, but 130 would have been a high-end prediction for Molina, too. He doesn’t HAVE to play 155 games to make the team better next year.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 5, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So then why don’t we just have him catch 115 games next year? That’d be better for the team than 0 games.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 5, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
article in the chronicles
Some more frustrating stuff, some about sabean, some from shea. For one thing, it says Sabean would have wanted molina back on a 1 year deal – I can’t remember, they probably already mentioned that, but it’s still annoying because it means they probably still molina as a great player and cleanup hitter and that’s not a good sign when they are the ones trying to fix the offense.
Also, when summarizing posey’s season, the writer cites his poor AFL stats but neglects to mention his great minor league statistics. He also says posey was promoted more out of necessity than merit (molina’s strained quadriceps). Considering how little he played, it doesn’t look like the move was out of necessity, and his stats were certainly good enough to merit a september callup.
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by raisingcain on Dec 5, 2009 10:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by raisingcain on Dec 5, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
any of you see klaw's comment on posey today ?
look in the espn rumors. law says giants are missing the boat on posey not starting in the bigs.
by giantdonkey on Dec 5, 2009 10:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
or, his words
Keith Law
Posey more ready than SF thinks
“Plenty of people, myself included, believe Posey can catch 100 games in the majors in 2010. The problem is that none of them seem to work for the Giants, who are determined to sign one of the bad offensive catchers on the free agent market. If the Giants seriously believe that Posey can’t out-produce a Rod Barajas and his .258 OBP from 2009, they are seriously underestimating the player they liked enough to pay $6 million in June of 2008. Posey doesn’t have to be a star right away to be ready to out-produce the inferior and more expensive players the Giants are considering as stopgap solutions.”
by giantdonkey on Dec 5, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Change 100 to 75 and make it in the second half of the season and I will agree completely.
It has less to do with the Giants’ short term production than with the long term benefit of proper player development. If you want to teach solid fundamental technique, the MLB isn’t the place to do it.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 5, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading more out of this conference call just makes me more angry about the morons running the Giants.
Is it awkward to try to attract a full-time catcher when you can’t guarantee Posey would take his job in a few months?
"Not in the discussions we’ve had. They’re aware of what’s going on, including Buster’s time with us already and what future might be. We told them we have to be open-minded. I don’t know if half the year would be enough (for Posey). Check how many games he’s actually caught. It’s minuscule compared to people who had a lot more than that and got to the big leagues. Obviously, we have a premium staff. First and foremost, he’d have to take on those duties. We know he’s going to hit, but if for some reason he does not, you wouldn’t want to be in that position to send him back or put that kind of pressure on him. That’s our overall concern. He may be better off to earn his way here."
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by scout6 on Dec 5, 2009 6:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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