Who do you actually want the Giants to get?
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 4, 2009 7:55 AM PST
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I've seen a lot of posts here about who the giants shouldn't pursure, and who would be a disaster. Don't get me wrong those have been valuable to read since I don't follow other teams enough to really have a good judge on who's good or not from other teams. But One thing I haven't seen around these parts (and it's possible I missed it) is a list of the actual desired free agents.
My list, which is in no way based on expert opinion so it's certainly open for change, Is that if the Giants are going to throw some money at a guy Chone Figgins is probably the best guy out there. They can move Sandoval to 1st and leave Freddy at 2nd. I really don't know who the Giants would sign for the outfield that's any better than they have (I've always liked Cameron and Crisp, but I'm not sure of ether's real value, maybe take a gamble on Ankiel?).
That said, who do people want the Giants to sign?
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I actually want Matt Holliday, and I want a trade for Uggla
1) Rowand – CF
2) Sanchez – 3b
3) Sandoval – 1b
4) Holliday – LF
5) Uggla – 2b
6) Posey – C
7) Schierholtz – RF
8) Renteria – SS
I know you’re lol’ing at Rowand batting leadoff, but he has the best OBP of the non-holliday/sandoval/uggla player on this list, unfortunately.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
hit Posey leadoff.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting
I would be willing to try it, certainly.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
In my scenario
Lewis goes to the Marlins in the Uggla trade. He’s the major league ready guy they want. In my brain.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
It all depends on how the financials shake out, but I’d like to add an outfielder, an infielder, and a cheap starting pitcher. I am assuming that Matt Holliday is too expensive.
Something like Mike Cameron, then Beltre/Nick Johnson/Miguel Tejada-for-the-right-price/Delgado/even OHudson under the right circumnstances………. and then Penny/Bedard/Duchscherer/Pedro Martinez
OF-wise, I could potentially be talked into Rick Ankiel. The infielder must represent a net upgrade over Garkokawa/Sanchez/Renteria/Sandoval——meaning Adam LaRoche probably doesn’t fit here.
Use Whiteside or Holm as the backup catcher, unless we can find a bargain “mentor” catcher who can actually hit enough to be a substantive upgrade over our internal options….but not someone who would block Posey. Torrealba would be acceptable here.
Honestly, there are a ton of potential routes that the Giants could take that would leave me reasonably pleased.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Hey did the Pads non-tender Kevin Correia? I read they were likely too. He might be as cheap a decent starting pitcher as we’re likely to find — and we can play that old college roommate/bork’s son card again.
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Didn’t we get rid of him because of his attitude, or something?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
IIRC he refused to accept a permanent bullpen role.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I think it was mostly a money decision, though.
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Mostly this; Cameron+Johnson+Duchscherer would be my ideal offseason, but the Duke may be too expensive with interest from the Red Sox. I’d prefer Johnson over Uggla, but be perfectly happy with Dan and his RH power in AT&T. Hudson is meh, Delgado and Tejada I’m concerned about for age reasons (and defense in Delgado’s case). And then Duchscherer>Penny>Bedard (though Bedard’s going to get way too much money).
Bedard should get the most money. He’s a borderline #1 starter for the 1/2 season he plays.
by microwave donut on Dec 4, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
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I’d be happy to have Holliday, Figgins, Beltre, Cameron, Nick Johnson, Delgado, Sheets, Harden … always depends on the price, of course.
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No I get, and wildly appreciate, that. Just wanted to see what eventually crushed hopes people had here, so I can share in the anguish.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 4, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
Hi, we’re the McCoven. Snarky negativity is our modus operandi.
Very aptly put.
Because change starts at home, I’ve made a resolution to only post positive comments next season in the hopes that I can do a little to change the culture here. It’ll probably get me banned.
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by cybermaldonado on Dec 4, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
I’m still holding out for BJ Upton and/or Carlos Pena.
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I wonder what it would take to get Pena. He’ll be 32 and he’s only under contract for another year, so the price shouldn’t be too terribly high. Brian Wilson would probably be an overpay.
Upton would surely take Cain or Sanchez or Bumgarner.
Though supposedly hate his attitude and want to move him out (which makes their pursuit of Milton Bradley sort of peculiar I suppose). Wonder if a Bumgarner + relief guys package would be doable?
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“Though” = “they” somehow. That’s a new mistake for me, I think.
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It’s always good to try new things!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 4, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
i heard roger dorn and dave spewack are available
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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 4, 2009 8:35 AM PST reply actions
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 4, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I’m basically looking for cheaper guys that have the potential to play better than their contract pays them for. These are guys who are either getting up there in age or have had injury concerns in the recent past. I think that, considering our relative depth, these types of gambles would be the most prudent.
I’m thinking guys like Delgado, Glaus, and maybe Nick Johnson, Beltre or Tejada on offense (with Garkokawa as potential backup plans if injuries and/or age strike). I also wouldn’t mind a trade for Uggla.
For fifth starter I would really like it if the Giants went after somebody like Harden or Bedard or Duscherer.
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Holliday is the best player on the market, but I don’t even think that’s happening.
I like Johnson, and I think Delgado makes a lot of sense. Cameron too. All of them depend on the price, of course.
My basic “Theory of the Postseason” is that acquiring a good hitting first baseman improves the team far more inexpensively than any other basic move.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I'm not hugely excited about any of the FA
Figgins would be my first choice, but I’m a bit trepid about Sabean vastly overpaying him.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
supposedly he has a 4 year 36 mill offer from the mariners, or somewhere in that area…yikes
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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 4, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
I actually don’t think the Mariners overpaid by much, if at all. Yea, he’s 31 and may slow down on the basepaths at some point during that contract but he should provide them with at least a couple years of high OBP, great speed, and good defense with some positional flexibility. I thought he’d get something in the 3-4 year range with an average salary well over 10 per.
Thing A
Yeah, I don’t think it’s an overpay, either. Four years is one more than I would have given him, but only 9M per? That is actually a pretty decent deal.
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I’m pretty sure it will prove to be a better use of the money than the next $36 million Brian Sabean spends.
What? For that much, we could have TWO Edgar Renteria’s.
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 7:23 AM PST up reply actions
My dream offseason (realistically speaking) would be to sign Johnson or Delgado to a one year deal, trade Rowand for whatever, sign Cameron and sign one pitcher.
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This is pretty much the best scenario I could possibly imagine happening. If Posey ends up being what we are hoping he will be, the offense could be almost average.
If Sabean and Bochy didn’t hate Lewis so much, the offense could even make it up to average…
Lewis/Torres
Sanchez
Johnson
Pablo
Cameron
Posey
Schierholtz/Bowker
Renteria
by VizquelQuest on Dec 4, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I was going to say the same thing
Get Delgado, Cameron, & Penny on a one or two year deal and call it an offseason.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 4, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Sadly, trading Rowand for whatever strikes me as slightly less likely than signing Holladay. And maybe Bay, too.
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Sounds good to me
/sighs at dream of a Rowand for Bradley swap with Cameron signed to patrol center.
Thing A
I wouldn’t mind seeing Delgado launching some splash HR. And his disrespect for the National Anthem might actually work well in SF.
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by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Holliday in LF. Nick Johnson at 1B.
None of that will happen, but that is who I want.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2009 9:22 AM PST reply actions
And either Harden or Duchshererererererererererererererer as the #5
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
OK Veruca, whatever you want…
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 4, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
there's no one guy
and the Giants have a limited payroll that is in flux until the Lincecum salary issue is determined. they won’t get Holliday or Bay or Figgins or Damon and will have to settle for a multitude of lesser options – guys who are far from perfect, not clear upgrades and who will probably perform about as well as or slightly better than the internal options except at a far higher cost.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions
guys who are far from perfect, not clear upgrades and who will probably perform about as well as or slightly better than the internal options except at a far higher cost.
Thus repeating the cycle in the future as we’re too hamstrung by the bad contracts we’ve given out to sign anyone of relevance….just like the excuse goes now….
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
it’s quite unfortunate that the team wasted 05-08 (the losing years) without completing rebuilding when it comes to position players. Sabes should have been dumping older position players much sooner instead of trying to win now around Bonds. I love the big guy, but the rest of the team was so bad, it just didn’t matter whether he was surrounded by the likes Zito, Durham or Schmidt, et al, the team was going to suck. They needed to just bite the bullet deal with the losses but get younger guys more experience.
Of course, the minors weren’t exactly overflowing with positional talent in those years, but whose fault is that? (Also, necessitating more trades of veterans too soon rather than too late.) They simply failed to see that preparing for life without Bonds needed to start before he left, not after he started to decline.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
newslettter
gimme gimme gimme
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by natteringnabob on Dec 4, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
than the internal infernal options
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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 4, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions
start over
Unsign Sanchez and get Figgins for 2B, Beltre for 3b, Harden and Sheets for the 5th starter. Zaun as a mentor for Posey. Find some cheap LOOGY and a right handed hitting corner outfielder who hits lefties well.
Considering that won’t happen, the best play might be not to play.
or trade Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, and Wilson for prospects. [really good prospects,]
or trade Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, and Wilson for prospects. [really good prospects,]
Get that shit outta here!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 4, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
now this comment made me lol
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by say hey nation on Dec 4, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
and Barry Bonds
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
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by BleedBlackNOrange on Dec 4, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
We had a post like this not too long ago
but i will reiterate my moves if I had to make them
Sign Nick Johnson to 1 year contract + club option
Sign Mike Cameron to 1 or 2 year contract
Sign 5th Starter off year/high upside (Brad Penny/Justin Dooshureshure) to 1 year contract
Givign Lincecum what he deserves will hinder some of this spending in which case non-tendering Garko may be needed or giving Bowker or Lewis a chance in the OF (but who are we kidding).
So, in summary, if we could slip a FA wish list into Sabes’ binder, it would look like this:
Matt Holliday
Chone Figgins
Nick Johnson
Carlos Delgado
Mike Cameron
Rich Harden
Justin Duchscherer
Ben Sheets
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Reed Johnson for Fred's platoon mate
If Holliday and Cameron don’t work out… hell, even if either of them do
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Honestly, there’s nobody – absolutely nobody – that I want on a deal of more than 2 years in this market. I want the financial flexibility beyond 2011 to sign our starting pitchers and closer to decent contracts and none of the premier (a very relative term) free agents are going to be worth their contract.
If we sign a couple of guys to 2 year deals, I won’t be terribly upset. I mean, Renteria played absolutely awfully and killed us offensively, and I’m pissed about Scott Rowand and his contract even though he played much better and was much more valuable than Edgar. Incidentally, this is why I’m not terribly upset with the Sanchez deal even though it wasn’t the greatest move in the world.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
none of the premier (a very relative term) free agents are going to be worth their contract.
So…you don’t think much of Holliday as a player? Obviously it depends on how much he gets to see if he’s “worth” the contract, but he’s 29, and definitely a premier player in baseball…
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t consider him a premier player in all of baseball, no. Top-30 or -40 among position players? Sure. But he’s going to get paid like he’s top-10.
Obviously, independent of contract considerations, I’d like him on the team. But I would have been very leery of giving Teixeira a contract like the Yankees gave him – something similar was done 10 years ago with Helton and even though he’s a great player and largely lived up to his contract, it has been limiting the Rockies and they’ve pretty much tried to unload the contract every off-season in recent years.
I think the best thing for this franchise would be to lock in our starting pitching and signing a free agent – even a player as good as Holliday – might seriously jeopardize our ability to do that.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
I wouldn’t consider him a premier player in all of baseball, no.
I mean, he was only the 13th best player in baseball using Fangraph’s WAR last year, with a 5.7 WAR. The two years before that he posted 7.9 and 6.2. I think there’s a very reasonable case to make that he IS one of the Top 10 position players in baseball, and if not, Top 20 for sure. Your other point is of course a good one, but just in general I think you’re underestimating Holliday. He is one of the premier players in baseball.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Good point. Could be underestimating him.
I will say this, though – if you’re going to overpay for someone, make sure he’s one of the best. Improving from a 0-1 WAR player to a 2 WAR player on the cheep is a great idea in principle, but 5 or 6 WAR players are the ones who win championships.
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WHO IS THIS 16 GUY?! CAN HE PLAY 3B?
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This one isn’t sooooooooo bad.
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by say hey nation on Dec 4, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 4, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Realistically
Uggla, Johnson, or Beltre
Im just afraid if we get Beltre it will be huge overpay.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 4, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions
That’s about what I expect Figgins to get – so if the choice is Beltre or Figgins straight up….I’d rather have Figgins.
by Missing Barry on Dec 4, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t Figgins cost a draft pick while Beltre doesn’t? That’s a big difference, and while it doesn’t mean we should try for Beltre, I would prefer that we didn’t try for Figgins, partly on those grounds.
good point
but I’m still surprised Figgins went so cheaply. I’d have like to see him as a Giant, but not enough for that contract.
this
I’d also like Glaus if healthy. And maybe Delgado.
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I don’t like him either unless it’s on a minor-league deal. Old, declining, former star somebody will overpay for. And who better than Brian Sabean?
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Johnson and a back end starter.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 4, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions
Tablesetting
Would like the Giants to drop FSanchez to bat third and PSandoval to bat cleanup and find a tablesetter ot three. Chone Figgins would be an excellent addition. Versatile and talented Kick the tires on a Johnny Damon.
It seems that Figgy may be gone
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 4, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
4 yr, 36mm
4years, 36 million. The biggest knock against Figgins and his fit with the Giants was that he wasn’t worth the 12mm a year people thought he was going to command. Speed, OBP, Versatility, at 9mm a year, the Giants should have made this signing, even though it may be a year longer than desired. 9mm? We’ll probally give it to Dye instead. Ugh.
We’ll probally give it to Dye instead.
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My list beings and ends with the only impact hitter on the market: Matt Holliday. Everyone else, perhaps with Nick Johnson excepted, would verge from uninspiring to flabbergasting.
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I really like the Carlos Delgado idea
I don’t see any free agent outfielders (aside from Bay, Holliday) that would likely be any worse then Bowker/Schierholtz in the RF.
As far as left field, I think David DeJesus would be a good trade target, and solve the leadoff issue. Unfortunetly I think Sabean is sold on Velez/Torres. So, even if they got DeJesus they would still start Velez instead of give Schierholtz and Bowker the playing time.
yea I like the DeJesus idea too. Does he have the arm to play RF? A Lewis/Bowker-Rowand-DeJesus OF next year would be fine with me
Thing A
I think DeJesus would ok for the right price
He reminds me of a young Randy Winn which wouldn’t be horrible.
I would like uggla in LF
I don’t know if he can or would want to play LF. But I like Pablo @ 3rd & sanchez at second. I wouldn’t mind Johnson. If they signed Jonson would they keep garko too? What about derosa for RF?
I like Mike...
Cameron. And please no Holliday or Bay. They would be very overpriced and would tie up funds that could be put to better use in the near future when they could be on the downside of their careers (hmmmm… haven’t we mentioned that before about other FA signings?).
Cameron would give the Giants a decent power bat, some added speed, and great defense. A Rowand-Cameron-Schierholtz OF would actually be pretty fun to watch in the field although we’d have to expect a ton of whiffs on the offensive side. If Bowker or Garko got an occasional start in LF, Rowand would shift to RF, giving up some defense for more offense. Signing Johnson (or Delgado if he’s healthy enough to play 1B) would put some much needed disciplined hitting in the lineup. Ishi would be kept as a defensive replacement/occasional starter/left-handed bat off the bench. When Posey is ready in management’s eyes (by June?) he should immediately become the starter. Until then, any of the available cheap FA catchers who is halfway decent defensively can keep the plate warm for him.
You asked what we would like to see the Giants do but there are still things I really hope they don’t do. Would really hope the Giants don’t break up the current starting staff in a trade (e.g. for Uggla). Their pitching is what sets them apart from most other teams and if a starter were traded and another got injured there is no way even an upgraded offense could cover up that hole. I’d also prefer the Giants don’t go overboard signing a 5th starter. Bummy may need a bit more seasoning in AAA but the Giants available funds may be better served going towards the offense when Pucetas or Martinez could be serviceable #5’s until Bummy is deemed ready.
Thanks for posing your question and calling folks out at the same time in a really polite way. As fans and bloggers it is really easy to criticize our team’s management and knock down others’ ideas from the safety of our keyboards. But as much as we deride the Giant’s front office and field staff, do any of us honestly think we can do an equal or better job of running the team?
And please no Holliday or Bay. They would be very overpriced and would tie up funds that could be put to better use in the near future when they could be on the downside of their careers
Seriously, if we tie up our funds in good players, we won’t be able to afford the Aaron Rowands and Edgar Renteria’s of the world. :(
do any of us honestly think we can do an equal or better job of running the team?
Now, there’s more to running a FO then just making personnel decisions, I realize that….but when it comes to making those personnel decisions, yes, yes I truly believe I could do a better job.
by Missing Barry on Dec 7, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
Nick Johnson
Mike Cameron
David DeJesus
Dan Uggla
Ryan Doumit
Conor Jackson? (insert standard Alderson+Barnes coulda got this done joke here)
Thing A
I like the thought of CoJack
I would trade someone relatively cheap maybe Ryan Rohlinger and 1 other mid level prospect for Jackson before (if) AZ non-tenders him because if he’s a FA he could be had by someone like the Red Sox who like cheap reclamation projects-like Baldelli last year
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by natteringnabob on Dec 6, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
Uggla not a free agent
Note Ryan Sadowski is now an astro, and Justin Miller, now a Dodger.
I don't understand
why we cut Sadowski when we don’t have a lot of pitching depth…Sadowski for an occasional spot start wouldn’t be awful and Miller for a MiL deal worth about 850K would’ve been ok with me. O well I’m not going to get that worked up over losing either of them
They had to remove Sadowski from the 40 man when they brought up somebody in August (Bumgarner I believe).
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
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