OT: Open 2010 World Cup Drawday Thread
by Kitspool on Dec 3, 2009 1:34 PM PST
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(Posting this about 19 hours early...)
Greetings, McCoven futbol fans, and those of you looking for a work distraction between the end of the Tiger Woods Affair and the start of the Winter Meetings. The draw for the 2010 World Cup is Friday in South Africa (approx. 9am Pacific Time). The 32 teams involved are placed into eight groups of four teams each. Each group will feature one team drawn at random from each of the four "pots" (/Tim Lincecum) below:
Pot 1: South Africa, Brazil, Spain, Italy, Germany, Argentina, England, Netherlands
Pot 2: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Cameroon, Nigeria, Algeria, Paraguay, Chile, Uruguay
Pot 3: Japan, S Korea, N Korea, Australia, New Zealand, United States, Mexico, Honduras
Pot 4: France, Portugal, Slovenia, Switzerland, Greece, Serbia, Denmark, Slovakia
What's the best case/worst case group for the US? What would the ultimate "Group of Death" look like? Based on the draw, who should be considered the favorite(s)?
Lastly, what are the chances that, just as France is about to be placed in a group, Jim Ross from the WWE exclaims, "Wait a minute....THAT'S IRELAND'S MUSIC! OH MY GOD....NOOOOOO" and Shay Given slams a folding chair over Thierry Henry's head?
Talk amongst yourselves.
Edit: Here are your 2010 World Cup Groups!
Group A: France, Mexico, South Africa, Uruguay
Group B: Argentina, Greece, Nigeria, South Korea
Group C: Algeria, England, Slovenia, United States
Group D: Australia, Germany, Ghana, Serbia
Group E: Cameroon, Denmark, Japan, Netherlands
Group F: Italy, New Zealand, Paraguay, Slovakia
Group G: Brazil, Ivory Coast, North Korea, Portugal
Group H: Chile, Honduras, Spain, Switzerland
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Best case
South Africa, U.S, Uruguay and Greece.
Group of death could very well involve the U.S. also. Cote d’Ivoire is a dangerous draw. I could see a Brazil, U.S., Cote d’Ivoire and Portugal draw, maybe.
Also, this SBN blog does an excellent job of looking at the draw.
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Uruguay is actually pretty good
I’d rather avoid them, if possible, and face a team like Algeria or Cameroon from Pot B.
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My understanding is that we don’t want any part of Cameroon, Nigeria or Ghana (Ghana we know already). Algeria and Paraguay I think would be the preferred options out of that pot.
You're right about Cameroon
That was my mistake. I must have been thinking of that World Cup soccer game for the Nintendo where Cameroon was the worst team. Supposedly Ghana is not as good as they were last WC and Nigeria is hit or miss, but it’d probably be a good idea to avoid most of the African teams because of the home field advantage and all.
by scotterduder on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
US pot sucks, too bad for them.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Dec 3, 2009 2:02 PM PST reply actions
Definitely would have been better to be in the pot with the African countries rather than the Asians. Not sure how they made that choice, because by rankings US, Mexico and Honduras are better than Uruguay, Paraguay, and Chile.
And CONCACAF played Africa last time, to boot...
Somewhat inexplicable except as favoritism toward South America…
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1st pot is always the 7 best teams + the host. After that it's just based on geography:
2nd pot is Africa and South America.
3rd pot is Asia, Oceania, and North America.
4th pot is Europe.
I was promised lasagna.
My understanding of this is weak, but I read some articles about this earlier this week and it seemed pretty clear that the composition of the pots was not known until they were announced on Wednesday. It is by region, but somehow (by some decision process or by lots) they chose to put S America in with Africa and N America in with Asia. They could have done it the other way round as far as I can tell.
This is only because they didn’t know who the ranked 7 teams were. Once those teams are ranked, all the other pots are always (at least for as long as I can remember) done in the manner dicated above.
The reason they do this is to avoid Mexico and US being in the same group, for instance. They play each other enough through qualifying and friendlies and other regional tournaments. It’d be kind of boring to watch them play in the world cup as well.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 4, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Teams are divided by regions, and the regions are divided between the pots according to how good they are. Europe is the best region, so it’s in a pot of it’s own. The next best is South America, followed by Africa, so they’re together in a pot. All the weaker regions – North America, Asia, Oceania, etc. – are also together in a pot.
It’s a way to make sure each team gets to play teams from around the world, while still maintaining a relatively balanced schedule.
I was promised lasagna.
But the N American teams are better than the S American teams in their respective pots (according to FIFA’s rankings). Obviously if the S Americans get to count Argentina, that would change, but Argentina isn’t in that pot, so I don’t see why that should matter.
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What were Tiger Woods and his wife doing out at 2.30 in the morning? They went clubbing.
Tiger Woods crashed into a fire hydrant and a tree. He couldn’t decide between a wood and an iron.
Perhaps Tiger should be using a driver?
This is the first time Tiger’s ever failed to drive 300 yards.
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by say hey nation on Dec 4, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
im so damned pissed that ireland isnt in it that this may be the first year i dont watch…
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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 3, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions
Did something happen?
/ducks and hides
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Yeah, somthing happened
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
Send us to South Africa
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All June games 2tix in FC108 N w/Lot A parking @ face value. Ping me.
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How long are you going?
i’ve got six people going, we’re going to leave the US on about the 15th and stay for two weeks. nine of us went to germany and had a hell of a time.
Dodgers fans eat their young.
We go for the whole month, usually return home for the final unless the US is in it (hasnt happened for the cups we’ve attended (since 94), and will not likely happen in my lifetime).
See you there!
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A draw of South Africa, Algeria and Slovenia would make me cry tears of joy. Anyone else from Pot 1 is obviously going to be favored in the group. Not getting SA, then getting France or Portugal would make advancing really tough for the US. Not to mention if they draw a tougher team from Africa/S. America pot as well. I think the toughest draw for the US would be either Brazil or Argentina, Ivory Coast and France. Let’s hope we get lucky in a draw for once.
Innocent until proven guilty...
South Africa strikes me as one of those situations where you should be careful what you wish for. They’re not that great, but they are the home team, they made the semis of the Confederations Cup, and I wouldn’t want to see the US trying to defend a corner while 100,000 vuvuzelas are going off.
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Always have to worry about that with the home team. But even with consideration of the home team, I’d much rather play them than anyone else in pot 1.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 3, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Out- Élitisted
Your élitist spelling of fútbol is missing an accent.
/is a dick
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Man, I thought the draw was today. Oh well.
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Damn it, Mexico and US in the same pot.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 3, 2009 4:06 PM PST reply actions
Always will be unless one of them gets a seed. Other than the seeds, the pots are assigned by region.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 3, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
USA would have been seeded if they used the system they used this time, in 2006...
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At who’s expense?
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Whose.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 7, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
USA! USA! USA!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 3, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
It’s better if we meet in knock-out play (like in Ulsan in 02).
Suck it Mexico (actually we support our neighbors except when we meet up). Viva Honduras!
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The worst thing about this draw
is that we’re not going to get Team USA vs North Korea.
The best thing is, England will get an easy draw.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
I’ve already complained about getting in the same pot with the Asians.
But England’s draw is not necessarily going to be easy. The worst-case draw for England would be tough. Something like Cameroon, USA, Portugal (or France) would represent a pretty formidable challenge. (That would also suck for the US, obviously)
I'd fancy England to come through that
They’ve shown themselves well capable of beating teams that they’re slightly better than, but utterly incapable of getting a result when they are underdogs.
Hence, they will cruise to the quarter finals and get knocked out by Brazil. Or Spain. Or a few others.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
There’s a simple answer to avoid being put in the same pot as the asians, be better and get seeded! On a serious note, it’s just the way it works out, i don’t see a huge issue with it. The african teams are probably harder but if the world cup was in asia you might prefer them.
There is the possibility of a tricky draw for us (England) but really we should come through any possible draw without too much trouble. The group stages aren’t really the issue, our troubles always come from the knock out stages, especially if we go to penalties. Hopefully now we’ve got a great manager we’ll be able to push on further than the last couple of tournaments.
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Well in this World Cup in particular being in the same pot with the Africans is a major plus, because the worst team in the whole tourney is African and the host country. Since no non-European team can play a team from the same region in the group phase, Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile each have a 33% chance of getting S Africa out of Pot 1. Needless to say, the one that does will see its chances of advancing increase dramatically.
Yeah, in this world cup it’s more of an issue than in others. They could just as easily be the other way round but then the South American teams would feel harshly done to. Unless you’re going to have full seeding you’re always going to have an issue somewhere. I guess it’s more of an issue when it affects your team though.
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Priority 1: Go USA! The tournament isn’t in Europe, so I’d say they have a decent chance of getting out of the group stage.
Priority 2: DEUTSCHLAND! If Die DFB-Elf can score some goals and get into the last eight, that would be awesome. The Germans are historically invincible in qualifying (check the win-loss, yo), so we have no idea what this team is capable of yet.
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
If the US can’t hang with the top level teams, it really doesn’t matter which group they are placed in. Even if they survive the group stage, they get bounced in the single elimination anyway.
As long as the Dutch don’t win it all I am happy. =P
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2009 8:18 AM PST reply actions
This is true when it comes to their chances of winning the whole thing. But being in an easier group and advancing to single elimination would be good for soccer publicity here in the US. And once they get to the single elimination stage, anything can happen. Get a favorable match-up (like Mexico in 2002) and they can advance.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 4, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
There are two things I hate in the world:
People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures, and the Dutch
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Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
What do you got against the dutch? I’ve always found them to be one of the most entertaining teams — er, sides.
Bastards! The lot of ’em!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
If you ain't Dutch, you ain't much.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 4, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Not that there’s any chance of this actually happening, but suppose North Korea and South Korea both make it out of the group stage and get matched up. How insane would that be?
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by say hey nation on Dec 4, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Tae Haminguk!
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by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 4, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Correction
Bob Ley is saying the US is in Pot 2, not Pot 3. Same collection of teams, though.
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
http://www.fifa.com/live/competitions/worldcup/finaldraw/index.html
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by say hey nation on Dec 4, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
So.. If any of you should give a toss, we're live bloging this shitshow over on our film festival blog
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
9.38 Oooh, great, another VT about how ‘Africans’ might be poor, but they play soccer in the dust, because they love it so much, or some shit. This could be a long summer of liver damage if they keep this shit up.
Sarcastic blog is sarcastic.
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
Ha, thanks. I was starting to lose patience with ESPN at that stage.
Seriousy, though, I can do without a summer of patronising ‘Africa’ and treating it as one homogenous entity.
Also, isnt’ Charlize Theron weird?
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
Compared to Beckham? No. Otherwise, quite.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Yeah, I have no idea what Beckham was doing there, anyway.
Plus, he looks like he’s been in an accident with a hedge. and a bottle of whiskey.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
Also, I'm loving the Efan - Macca combo here
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
LOL
Jeremy Schaap is standing behind a wall of World Cup advertising partners that looks like a NASCAR jumpsuit.
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
From SI…
The U.S. is winning the race to have more traveling fans at the 2010 World Cup than any other team, tourism officials said Thursday.
More than 85,000 tickets for matches at next summer’s tournament have already been snapped up by Americans keen to follow the likes of Fulham’s Clint Dempsey and Hull City’s Jozy Altidore in South Africa.
The figure overshadows the 50,000 tickets bought by England fans who are expected to number around 25,000 in South Africa.
RBIS BITCHES!
Britian- 61 Million people/50, 000 tixs = 1 out of 1220 people will attend.
USA- 304 Million people/80, 000 tixs = 1 out of 3800 people will attend.
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85,000 > 50,000. That’s all it claimed.
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I know
But its just stupid. Its like comparing RBIZ or Pitcher WINZ
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by say hey nation on Dec 4, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
I think they’re just trying to show who’ll have the most supporters. But, yeah, if they were trying to use it as evidence that the US has better fans it would be silly, not just because the US has more people than almost any country, but also because its fans simply have more money.
I was promised lasagna.
Jesus, this buildup is like the Oscars crossed with the NCAA Tournament Selection Show. JUST DRAW THE DAMN BALLS ALREADY!
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TWSS!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
What’s that on your fookin head Becks?
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The shame of World Cups past
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Fucking Mexico. They had an easy draw last WC and they get SA this year. Bullshit.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 4, 2009 10:08 AM PST reply actions
We’re coming for you England.
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FIFA.com
Korea Republic land in Argentina’s group, while USA will face England. A gasp emanates from the crowd at the latter pairing.
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by say hey nation on Dec 4, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Algeria!!!!!! Finally a good match-up!
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 4, 2009 10:16 AM PST reply actions
england
us
algeria
slovenia
LETS GO!
by sadison bummedgarner on Dec 4, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions
None of the groups are really talent heavy. It looks like the hosts received the worst of it.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions
Group A is pretty stacked, though the French aren’t as good as their reputation suggests.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Not a bad group for the US, all told. Could be much worse. They’ll need 3 points out of the Algeria game, that’s for sure.
"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."
now THAT is the group of death
spain and portugal
by sadison bummedgarner on Dec 4, 2009 10:25 AM PST reply actions
LOL KOREA DPR!
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by say hey nation on Dec 4, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
That is brutal. I’m betting it’s Brazil and Cote d’Ivoire making it out of G.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I was thinking the same. Portugal is in G. Spain is in H.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
USA should advance out of that group. A win and a draw against Algeria and Slovenia will get it done. It should actually be two wins though.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 4, 2009 10:27 AM PST reply actions
A draw of South Africa, Algeria and Slovenia would make me cry tears of joy.
Not SA but the rest fell into place. US definitely got the best possible outcome, not having SA excluded.
Innocent until proven guilty...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 4, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions
Well I screwed that up, but you get the point.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 4, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Can the bend it like Beckham?
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by say hey nation on Dec 4, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think there is any question that they will advance to single elimination. It all depends on the matchups after that.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I fancy England to win three of three in that group
England under Capello have become very efficient at beating teams that are not as good as them.
They’ll go out as soon as they have to play anyone who is proper good, mind
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
Prediction
We’ll earn a 1-1 draw with England.
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Prediction
2-0 England. Both goals in the first half, then they’ll shut it down.
I’d still fancy Team USA to get the results they need in the other two games, mind. Very happy that Ivory Coast wasn’t put into the group (when they were drawn, that’s what I thought was going to happen)
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
Buzzkill.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Ha, sorry. But that's how I see it...
I do have a long a storied history of being wrong, mind, so take it with as much salt as you need
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
They’re good up front with Rooney and Crouch/Cole/Agbonlahor and certainly have talent in the midfield with Lennon and Lampard. The back-line is suspect, though. Ferdinand and Glen Johnson are battling injuries and they don’t have a goalie or right back. Still a very good squad capable of putting the ball in the net.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Think the Irish are happy about where the French ended up? Heh…
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 4, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions
beltre, uggla, nick johnson, ausmus..there, i got us back on track
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by Headhunter Rollins on Dec 4, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions
Good grouping for US matches travelwise—the three cities: Rustenburg, Johanesburg, and Pretoria are not more than 90 minutes apart.
Unfortunately, none of them are coastal or wine country.
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So the match order for the US is: England, then Slovenia, then Algeria. Is it safe to say there’s a linear decline in the quality of their opponent by match? Not that this was in their control, but the only bummer is that the US couldn’t play those teams in the reverse order. If we lose to England, there’ll be a lot of pressure to get a result in the second one (duh) and huge pressure to play for the win against Algeria. Similar to the 2006 Cup.
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