DeRosa deal close
not sure this even qualifies as news as we already have at least 4 posts about it
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I was hoping for rickroll.
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I am naming him Bette Midler
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Renteria 2010?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Seal?
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Surfer DeRosa (artistically NSFW)
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Only if you photoshop Zito, Rowand, Renteria, and DeRosa into this picture
by DFAAurillia on Dec 28, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Walk up song “Bed of Roses”
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 28, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Ranger fans call him Dumpmaster D
this is done in the most affectionate way possible — he was a very good player for Texas and is remembered fondly.
for a little history on the nickname, check here.
Stupid Brian is Stupid
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2009 11:10 AM PST reply actions
Consistant Brian is consistant
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Excess verbosity
Could have just said
Brian is
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
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Not a palindrome.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Please don't besmirch the good name of Poop.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Shite
To understand the slightly paradoxical difference note that the word “shite” is usually said in a grimmer and lower tone than the word “shit”, which is sharper to say. You can really tear into the word “shite” when you’re using it as an insult as in the second example, the word “shit” ends more suddenly. However generally “shite” is not as offensive to say as “shit”.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
What’s brown and rhymes with Snoop?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
an old hula-hoop?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
What’s brown and sticky?
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POOP!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
PALINDROME!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Me too.
These pretzels are making me thirsty
by NuschlerFace on Dec 28, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
"LOL GIANTS R OLD"
Whew…it feels good to bring that one out of retirement.
(THAT’S WHAT BRIAN SAID!!")
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I'm sipping the kool-aid, but...
I’m still a believer that Sabean HAS to over pay for guys come to SF for a few reasons…
One, he knows and everyone else in baseball knows that the Giants absolutely have to do something this offseason and upgrade the offense.
All agents know this, so should be able to raise the price because of this.
Our ballpark hasn’t been favorable to hitters, so players may need more money to come here.
The rest of the offense is bad, and a hitters numbers can drop because of his surrounding cast, so again the player needs more money to come here.
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But could he overpay for good players that we need on the roster?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
like who? Again, at the end of the day players have to want to play for SF too. cough Nick Johnson cough cough
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We already had DeRosa on the team a month ago. Then we cut him. He was calling himself Gark-something or other.
I would overpay for Holliday.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
He’s below average at pretty much every infield position but first.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
-6.5 at third base. WTF! A fat Pablo last year was at -6.4.
/throws self down flight of stairs
"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
doesn’t explain signing DeRosa to a 2 year deal for more than it wouldve cost to bring back Garko.
Thing A
in a vacuu I could see how maybe you could be split. But would you pay 1-3 mil MORE for DeRosa AND give him and extra year knowing he’s 5 years older than Garko? Bill James and CHONE both project a much better offensive year from Garko anyway
Thing A
But we have to overpay to get them to come here, you said that yourself, and with Garko we would have an extra 1-3 million to sign them with.
We do not have as much payroll to attract better players.
82 WINZ!
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
I like that he is at least somewhat versatile with his glove. The Giants are hellbent on Panda moving to 1b and Garko can’t play 3rd.
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The Giants are hellbent on Panda moving to 1b
Justification? I am not sure I get this impression.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Its been documented a good amount of times that the Giants want Sandoval at 1b.
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…ok. Thanks for that justification.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
of course, Rotoworld’s commentary has been debated, but they at least agree from today’s blurb about DeRosa to SF
DeRosa would step into a full-time gig, likely at third base, with Pablo Sandoval making the switch across the diamond to first base, where he’ll be less of a defensive liability long-term.
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Is that a commenter, or is that from the Giants organization?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
I’d want both if it meant the following configuration:
LF DeRosa, 3B Pablo, 1B Garko, Velez jettisoned into a black hole.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 28, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
sure
and the semi-realistic possibility that DeRosa posts an .800 OPS season as our regular LF with another .800+ OPS type signed to play 1B is the reason I’m not completely against this signing…..but it doesn’t look so great right now.
Thing A
agreed
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 28, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
One, he knows and everyone else in baseball knows that the Giants absolutely have to do something this offseason and upgrade the offense.
This is his own fault.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
He still has the job
Here in lies the problem. He created this situation and was rewarded for it with an extension. So why change what he was doing?
This FO gives me a :(
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Not something I can answer. He did create this mess, but bringing in a new GM for this year wouldn’t necessarily solve this.
Of course, it could lead to better things for future seasons, but I feel like with our farm system now, we might at least be on a better track now
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You do not reward someone for doing a shitty job by giving them an extension. And if the owners tried to justify it with “Bringing in a new GM won’t help us” I would go ape shit.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Didn’t mean for this to be a Sabean debate, but I’m still of the lets wait and see approach for 2010 after the success we had in 2009
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I am in the camp that we had accidental success in 2009. Our pitchers were awesome and put up some ridiculous numbers and our bullpen especially was tight.
We really cannot rely on that year in and out. Especially if we are not improving the offense, just shuffling around the mediocrity will not work.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
While it might not be a championship squad yet, lets at least not forget that the rest of the West isn’t doing anything either.
This doesn’t mean its right for the Giants to do what they are doing this offseason, but if our pitching holds then we can make it into the playoffs. I really just don’t think its as easy to bring in offense to our team that some people think
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The Dodgers still have a good young offense. Granted their pitching stinks, but they can still mash.
The Dbacks scare me. Their hitters are good, pure young talent and if Webb is healthy they have a great 1-2 rotation.
Our pitching is good, but we are in no way a lock to win the West next year.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
I realize you did not say they were a lock. But I just want to emphasize that we can not just rely on our pitching only.
I did not even mention the Rockies, who seem relatively unchanged from this last season.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Also
The fact that the rest of the division appear to be doing nothing is even more reason to go out and make your team better. It is not a reason to stand pat.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t really want to stand pat, but neither do I want a move made just for the sake of having made a move…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
The Dodgers, of course
had a team OPS+ of 104 last year versus an ERA+ of 116.
I don’t know where the meme that the Dodgers pitching stinks came from, but it’s really not accurate. They did lose Wolf this offseason, but they’ve got a pretty good pitching staff regardless.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I really can’t understand how the Dodgers pitching was so good last season and how it held up. I really think it will drop off this year
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It probably will (loss of Wolf, general bullpen regression), but the Giants’ pitching probably will (at least somewhat) as well.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
It’s also possible (and imo likely) that Billingsley & Kershaw could improve on last year.
"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I’d be surprised if Billingsley doesn’t do a lot better next year than he did this year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I was looking at his 2009 #‘s. Everything looks similar to 2008 except for ERA. His walks increased & strikeouts decreased, but both slightly. I though his 3.14 ERA in 2008 was lucky just as his 4.03 in 2009 was unlucky. He’s probably somewhere in the middle.
Of course he’s only 25 years old so he can still improve.
"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
They actually had an odor about them.
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My disbelief at the quality of their pitching just grew and grew all year – their staff really produced… but yes, a distinct, unpleasant odor.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 28, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
I really just don’t think its as easy to bring in offense to our team that some people think
Then don’t! But at least keep and play the right guys. Like I mentioned above a team with Lewis and Garko playing regularly is at least as good as a team with DeRosa at 3B and some other Sabean favorite (Dye, Velez, Byrd, or even Damon) in the OF and its also a whole lot cheaper. Its not the route I’d like to see the team go but its better than their current strategy. I don’t completely hate the DeRosa signing but its pretty confusing considering the moves they’ve already made.
Thing A
It has happened before...
Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler
That was a little different. Not to pull into a political debate, but his opponent in the 04 race, all the dems could do was nominate a wet sock. The two choices were not exactly terrific.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
I think the choice between ‘failure’ and ‘unknown’ was a pretty easy one to make.
Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler
The country apparently disagreed with you.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
:(
Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler
I'm just not quite sure how
signing DeRosa is a step towards an improvement on:
1. Lewis
2. Sanchez
3. Sandoval
4. Garko
5. Bowker
6. Rowand
7. Renteria
8. Posey
Thing A
LOLEWIS
GARKLOL
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Maybe I’m sipping the kool-aid, but…
How does the kool-aid taste?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Rosenthal says DeRosa would fill a third base/super-utility role. He reminds us that the Giants are also close to re-signing Juan Uribe, which would make for a “very versatile roster” and would push Pablo Sandoval to first base.
Ok now I hate it.
If DeRosa and Uribe end up being it for the offseason, I am predicting a sub.500 season.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions
79 WINZ?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Just about 79
I’ll be nice and say 80.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
If you search “LARS 80 WIN” 12 comments come up. I seem to remember you stating 80 many more times this last season.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
It is hard to factor luck into my nonsensical ramblings. I’ll go the BtBS route and say that the Giants got lucky last season to the tune of 8 games. =p
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 28, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Yankees (from John Heyman's twitter)
#yankees have been interested in derosa. will be disappointed (and still looking for an OF) if #giants deal goes thru.
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and LOL Cardinals (From Rosenthal)
DeRosa going to the Giants will be somewhat of a blow to the Cardinals. DeRosa represented part of the backup plan for St. Louis if they failed to sign Holliday.
WHO NEEDZ HOLLIDAY WHEN YOU HAVE DEROSA ANYWAYS?
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C’mon Yanks! SWOOP in on this one!
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 28, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Come on Yankees >:O Swoop in here with a damm contract.
Posted by: Yankeeboy11 | December 28, 2009 at 01:23 PM
These pretzels are making me thirsty
Yes, come on Yankees!!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I’m going to go ahead and say that if the Yankees were disappointed that they couldn’t add him to start for them (or even be a bench player for them) that we shouldn’t be upset that he is on our team at all
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He probably fits a lot better on a Yankees team that really only needs supporting pieces moreso than a Giants team that needs someone who is more of an impact player.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
This means our new #3 or #5 hitter could probably hit 8th or 9th and probably play a LF/Util role for them. Great.
Thing A
Could be worse
Winn could be the #2 hitter again………..
/I just want to cry
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
DeRosa is actually a decent player. It’s the cost and what our other options could have been is what’s upsetting me.
"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I wouldn’t mind having DeRosa to play a utility role for the Giants, but he’s going to start at 3rd base. Our open corner infield position has been filled in with a sub-par hitter in 2009. If he somehow goes back to hitting like he did in 2006-2008 than great, but he’s 35 years old now. It’s not bloody likely.
"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Where he plays will depend...
on what happens in spring training. I think we’re all writing off Ishikawa too early. If he has a good spring and wins the job, then DeRosa can move to LF. If not, then he can play third. A right handed hitter that can play several positions is not a bad thing to have on this roster.
by crazedcrustacean on Dec 28, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Let's play a game of would you rather
Would you rather:
Sign DeRosa for 2yr/12 mil to push Pablo to 1st OR
Trade for Lyle Overbay, who is making 8 mil in the final year of his contract?
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 28, 2009 12:42 PM PST reply actions
Well, it has been rumored that the Jays want to move overbay, and it would be somewhat of a salary dump. I’ll say Pill, Valdez and Edlefsen for arguments sake. The have two potential 1B candidates.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 28, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
/angry eyes
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
You would have to wait like 3 days cause you would be early. i am still in tracy.
if you don’t mind waiting, you could kick my ass quickly (i can’t really put up much of a fight) then we could kit the Hoffbrau for some booze and Thursday night football?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Well it’d take a while because i gotta meet some family while i’m down there, so i’d be ready in 3 days, so i’ll whoop you and then we’ll grab a bite to eat and celebrate the new years in style
Sweet. You ever had the Dog House Grill while you were down there? Right across the street from the Save Mart Center.
Best burgers I have had in my life.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
I’ve never been there actually, i kinda want to try it since it’s a Fresno State fan place… but i really need to try more places around there, my grandpa used to live on bullard and palm? i believe on that intersection?
I'm fine signing DeRosa
But I really hope he’ll play LF and not 3b.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
the only thing that will struggle will be you trying to understand just why the giants will be doing so well next year, YEA BABY!
I still feel like i’m one of the only believers on this site sometimes
Might also be because I’m ahem a company man now
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I think we all want to believe, but we just feel with the current management they never seem to be able to push us through with movements that you can look at and say, without any pause “this will make us a better team and push us to a championship.”
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
What is so complicated about Positional Adjustment that causes Sabean to not understand it?
It’s common fucking sense, all statistics aside.
Or, rather, causes Sabean to understand it in bizarre ways as in “OMG CATCHER 20 DINGERZ”
Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler
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Someday girl I don't know when were gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go and well walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us baby we were born to RUNZ
-Proud Papa of Dan Runzler
SPAM!
"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
So Sam got BigFooted by Boof
Jayson Stark reports that DeRosa took a physical for the Giants earlier today. Still no word confirming that this is a done deal, but it looks very close.
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