Source:Jason Bay is not unlinked to rumors about the Giants. Maybe.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 22, 2009 12:58 PM PST
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PrintLogic is good. Logic is what keeps you from hitting on the gal with the adam’s apple in the smokey dive bar.
Raw emotion can be good, but it’s also what will tell you to take a chance "because that might not be an adam’s apple at all -- it might just be the beginnings of a goiter -- so how do you know until you investigate after eight more drinks?" Fear that raw, base emotion.
Logic says Jason Bay, fine hitter that he is, is going to be overpaid. A lot of his value is given right back on defense, he’s over 30, and he isn’t likely to age gracefully. Maybe he’ll ease into his mid- and late-30s like a healthy Moises Alou. Logic says that it would be silly to pay close to $100M to find out.
Then the raw emotion takes over. Bay’s asking price is now floating around 4/$70M, which is almost the kind of contract a team can work around. He’d replace Eugenio Velez, so it’s an addition by subtraction even before it’s an addition by addition. Bay is a real hitter – he gets "on base" and hits balls for "extra bases" if you believe the myths – and he’d sure be a fine addition to the lineup. And, heck, the Giants have a strikeout staff, so do they really need a great left fielder?
Fight those feelings. The logic is sound. Even if you’re a UZR skeptic , Bay’s defensive reputation doesn’t improve when you disregard the statistics in favor of fan-based scouting reports. By all accounts, Bay is a lousy fielder. How lousy? Lousy enough to hurt his overall value in a big way, and he isn’t getting younger and more agile.
But Bay! In the middle of the lineup! And then you do one of those CHECK OUT MY LINEUP things after you furiously rosterbate:
C – Posey
3B – Sanchez
LF – Bay
1B – Sandoval
2B – Uggla (Doug Clark and Jake Esteves to the Marlins)
RF – Bowker
CF – Rowand
SS – Renteria
By gum, that looks like a real lineup. I’m in!
Wait, would this mean that the Giants would really have to count on Bay performing at a decent level until 2013? Uh, I’m out.
On-base percentage! Walks! I’m in! Nuts to the future; it’d be nice to win next year, and, hey, even with the bad defense, FanGraphs has him as a three-win, $14M-worthy player.
Gee, it’s so strange to be so conflicted about a player, knowing that there’s no way he’ll be a good investment, but still kind of curious to see him play for the Giants. I wonder if this has ever happened before?
No Bay. Please, no. That’d be a combined $410M spent on Zito, Rowand, and Bay every year, none of whom will be good in two years. That’s just a guess, and your mileage may vary. But no Bay.
If the Giants do sign him, it'll be pretty cool to watch a team with real hitters next year, though.
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Something tells me he doesn’t want to play for the Giants, nor could the Giants convince him they’re contenders. The Mets have a lot more to offer as a team at this juncture even if it’s for less money.
:(
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Does he realize how close we were to making the playoffs last year?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
HOW DID HE NOT SEE THOSE COMMERCIALS!@!!!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
She definitely said that
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 22, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Wheres the Vroom?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
I guess all the Vroom left when we decided not to re-sign Molina
by Johnny Drama on Dec 22, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly. No classic leadoff hitter! Velez would obviously be put in RF so the Giants would have an authentic leadoff hitter.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Vroom?
Well, let me see, Schierholtz, Bowker and Velez can’t all play right at the same time….and Velez in right, Rowand in center and Bay in left….well speed in right, but no range in left and not much anymore in center? Bowker? Minimal range and not greatest D, ok arm. Velez? bad angles to the ball, so-so arm with little accuracy and not much baseball IQ-speed, but not good baserunner. Schierholtz is not a leadoff type, but has the speed, become very good AT&T RF with great arm. Bowker has a little more power than Schierholtz, but Schierholtz is more of a line drive hitter….and all three swing at waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many bad balls.
That’s what she asked!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
I plan to resolve this by drinking, starting now.
I see I haven’t changed much in the last three years.
Best post in that thread:
Now that Vernon Wells won’t be availble next year, I want Zito a little bit more.
— Goofus
Also good:
With Zito and Wells joining Cain, Lowry, and Morris in the Rotation and Lincecum, Sanchez, and Hennessey joining Correia, Chulk, Wilson, and Kline in the Bullpen I very much like the looks of this pitching staff and think it will be more the good enough to win with the offense we already have.
—GRM
LOLINCECUM IN THE BULLPEN
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LOL Morris
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
From what I recall
He was projected as a closer for a while. It was in an effort to minimize strain from his crazy motion.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
Some scouts thought he would be a reliever, yeah. I remember a scouting report that praised him by comparing him to Scott Shields.
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there was discussion about bringing him up if the team was in the 2006 version of “this thing.”
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
from BA
His delivery, resilient arm, size and stuff remind many scouts of Angels set-up man Scot Shields, and most scouts think Lincecum will thrive in a relief role.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
so much lol
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he’d probably be the best closer in the history of baseball, but that would be a waste of his talent.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Just like Ozzie Smith probably would have made a hell of a left fielder.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
You should check out the draft thread when he was chosen.
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the posey thread was better
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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as well as the madbum thread
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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BAH, ANOTHER PITCHER!?!?!?
WE NEED HITTING SABEZ
all time greatest freak out thread
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/comments/2007/6/7/13640/50235/397#1197017
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
SloIsLonelyForTheOrange's reactions were pretty funny
wilriv was right, though!
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“WE TOOK FUCKING BUMGARNER WITH PORCELLO, AUMONT, MILLS AND HEYWARD ON THE BOARD?
CAN WE FIRE SABEAN ALREADY?"
Nice jponry
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 23, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t remember, did people not like it? I didn’t post here then, but I remember I was seriously overjoyed. Bumgarner and posey, not so much. I liked mills and smoak.
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LOL BEAU MILLS
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=mills-001bea
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/pretends I didn’t desperately want him during the ’07 draft
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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I was honestly daydreaming for a few days before the draft about how we were going to get Beau Mills and Matt LaPorta (at the time, there were rumors LaPorta was going to drop to the 20s!) and they would be the cornerstone hitters of our future.
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IIRC, a lot of people wanted Drabek. And were not pleased with the “HE’LL BE A GREAT RELIEVER!” reports.
But we quickly came around once we realized how awesome he was.
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Really, I remember BA had him listed as the best pitcher in the draft and closest to the majors in their Draft Preview. I thought everybody thought his falling to us was pennies from heaven.
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If you check the thread, some folks weren’t thrilled, but it wasn’t a big freakout like with Bumgarner or Posey.
Grant wanted Drabek.
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I actually have been impressed with the Giants’ drafting the last five years…not so much before that…with the exceptions of Cain and Wilson…although I wasn’t overwhelmed when Wilson was picked. Very happy though when Cain was picked. Since then, Sabes has done an excellent job…because of the improved director of scouting whose name escapes me. Have to be very happy with Posey, MadBum, Alderson, etc.
The Giants are very similar to the Dodgers in that regard. Great scouting that is mitigated by expensive and poorly conceived free agency forays on the part of the GM.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I like this one:
Count me on the side of doing what it takes to win the bid for Zito. No, he is not an Ace, but he is close and frankly the fact that you can almost go to the bank on 34 to 35 Starts every year with well above average ERA+ makes him more valuable to me then a “true ace” that is far more likely to miss not jsut a few starts but big pieces of multiple seasons. Just think about how the Mets feel now about giving their “true ace” Pedro 4 years. Zito is a much better bet for 8 then Pedro was for 4.
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I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
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Agreed
He was convinced that not only was it realistic, but it was imminent.
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lol
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
You know, the M’s would be better off today if they had made that trade. At least they’d still have Chris Tillman.
sad but true
man that Bedard trade was awful.
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Terrible. I feel sorry for Mariner fans
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Ya. Now I feel sorry for us.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Why, it’s almost as though Bill Bavasi wasn’t good at his job.
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LOL MORROW
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
What was the prospect they ended up getting?
I was sure they were going to try to use him for a hitter – to trade him for a reliever seems like epic selling low.
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in that case
wow, i don’t get it.
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Johermyn?
I WANT HIM!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
20 year old, OPSed .821 repeating A ball
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Wait
they don’t love you like I love you.
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maaaaaaaaaaaps
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by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 22, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
YES
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by bondslegend on Dec 22, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Bavasi defended his choice his entire time here. He said that Lincecum’s delivery would eventually cause arm problems. Maybe that would be from lifting up his two Cy Young Award trophies?
SIK BURN, mariners writer guy.
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nice
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. We’ll all be really red in the face when he gets arm troubles several years from now. You know, after many years of success. That totally will not have been worth it.
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A lot worse than the 3 for AJDP one
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At least the GM responsible for the Bedard trade
got fired
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Good point
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The last time the Giants fired a manager: 1985
The last time the Giants fired a GM: I don’t even fucking know.
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I wasn't around back then
what was the rumored deal?
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Bonds and Morris for Balentin and Adam Jones
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
When?
06?
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I dont know, I guess so.
The last year we had Morris probably
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
As much as I love barry
I’d have done that. Jones is like BLB circa 93
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Oh definetly.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
no shit you would have done that
we all would.
but it was never going to happen and rainman acted as though it was a certainty.
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Well
they DID trade him for Bedard. So you never know. Bavasi might have been THAT stupid.
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At the time, Bedard was coming off of a pretty spectacular season (albeit one in which he, surprise, was injured.)
The point is that a trade involving Bonds and Morris was never going to happen regardless. The Giants weren’t going to trade Bonds.
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Yup
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"sometimes"
?
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by bondslegend on Dec 22, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
it was 07
rainman thought that Bonds should be traded once he broke the home run record.
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Meh
if he’d have had trade value maybe. But I doubt anyone wanted him.
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Waiter: “Here is your steak, sir.”
GRM: /takes one bite “This is the greatest steak i’ve ever eaten!”
/puts down the fork
GRM: “I’ll trade you the rest of this steak for twelve random meals!”
Waiter: “But most of those random meals will be rancid and inedible. A steak of that quality rarely comes along.”
GRM: “SELL HIGH! SELL HIGH!”
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Well
wilriv is the one who wants to trade timmy right now.
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by bondslegend on Dec 22, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Re: Alex Rodriguez
I am not at all concerned about the bullpen. Hennessey may or may not be the answer at closer but we have enough in house options that I have little doubt that we will find a closer. The Giants Bullpen is 4th in the NL in ERA, 5th in the NL in OPS, and 6th in the NL in WHIP. They are young and will only get better. Adding here should be every bit as low a priority as adding to our rotation. Our rotation by the way is 5th in the NL in ERA, 4th in the NL in OPS, and 8th in the NL in WHIP.
My dream senerio for the Giants is the following four moves:
Trade Bonds and Morris to Seattle for Jones and Balentien.
Trade Winn/Roberts/Klesko/Feliz to Yankees for Jason Giambi and Melky Cabrera.
Trade Kline to whomever will take him.
Sign A-Rod in the offseason to play SS.
I belive this will give us a real chance to compete in 2008 with the following roster:
C Molina/Alfonzo
1B Giambi
2B Durham
3B Aurilia
SS A-Rod
IF Frandsen
OF Cabrera/Lewis/Schierholtz/Ortmeier/Jones/Balentien
Rotation Zito/Cain/Lowry/Lincecum/Sanchez
Bullpen Hennessey/Correia/Messenger/Chulk/Munter/Taschner/Misch
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Take note, kids. That’s some professional rosterbation right there.
Speaking of Zito…
Where the hell is Mike Hampton on this list?
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
He’s on the DL.
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Uh
If the Detroit Pistons could go back in time, just like the title character of Donnie Darko did in the underrated 2001 sci-fi psychological thriller
Uh…how can a movie that 10,000,000 people won’t shut up about be underrated?
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A sign: In 2002, his coach, Marty Mornhinweg, won the coin toss heading into OT against the Bears and decided to kick off. The Bears would take the ball and score on the first possession.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
If I remember correctly, it wasn’t THAT bad of a decision. I was just looking to find out how hard the wind was blowing and found this article:
http://www.footballcommentary.com/wind.htm
If a more successful coach makes that call, he’s not ridiculed as badly.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 22, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
that’s a stupid move every time. If you win the toss in OT, you take the ball, even if you’re playing in a hurricane.
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by bondslegend on Dec 22, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Always. The team that has the ball first wins 80% of the time.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
And 60% of the time, that works every time.
(Actually, the team that wins the toss wins about 52% of the time. The toss loser wins about 44%, and about 4% are tie games.)
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 23, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Damn you and your evidence!
(Maybe I’m thinking of turnover differential.)
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BUT 52> THAN 44 SO SHOVE IT, MATH MAN
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by bondslegend on Dec 23, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Man, I didn’t know much about college football OT until this year. I went to a division I AA school (now called something else) and my team never tied. They either lost big or won big. Oh, and some kid broke Rice’s TD record there.
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by say hey nation on Dec 23, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I love college's OT
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by bondslegend on Dec 23, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Wow. I didn’t finsih my thought.
I don’t think the increase injuries and they are awesome. i would love to see the NFL adopt that system.
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by say hey nation on Dec 23, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
lol
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by bondslegend on Dec 23, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Though, yes
we’re going to need an OT with one of those picks in the 10-20 range
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by bondslegend on Dec 23, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
They can get both
I’m hoping for one OL, and then one of whatever is the best player left with the other pick, be it another OL, a pass rusher, a safety, whatever.
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by bondslegend on Dec 23, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Well
Unless crabtree 2.0 happens and there’s a GREAT player there. But there won’t be.
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nope, doubt it… but i just think they have to stop going for skill and drafting to IMPROVE this team… hence what you said… TACKLE and DEFENSE
stop…. everybody thinks he’s the cure to this team… why dont we also see what we have in house with Reggie Smith, or Curtis Taylor… It’s Eric Berry
Because Berry has WAY more talent than those guys. If he’s there with our first pick though, it would be a lot like Crabtree falling to us.
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wellll toooooooooo bad, we’re not getting him, so we gotta deal with it by either drafting someone else or letting Smith or Taylor fill the role, Reggie Smith was a safety in college at Oklahoma so why not
oh i'm with you
I don’t think we’re getting him, but if he’s there when we pick I think there’s about a 95% chance we take him.
I wonder if Harris could play FS coming off his injury?
I think the reason Smith or Taylor don’t take the role is that they’re not very good.
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Agreed… with Harris though, at his age? i’m not sure what he’s capable of doing at this point.
With Smith and Taylor, they’re not very good because they haven’t played at all, they’ve never taken time at the position. So whatever they do with that spot, it better not be Roman and Lewis for next year
well it won't be
because it’s not even roman and lewis now, unless you’re talking about dime safety, in which case, I want to get Arenas as PR/Dime back in the 2nd or 3rd.
However, Goldson is bad as a FS, would probably be ok as SS, so we need a FS upgrade. I’m not sure if Harris could either at his age, but he was a pro-bowl corner 3 seasons ago, and at least average last year, I’d say it’s worth a shot in TC if he’s still around. I wouldn’t re-sign him just to give it a whirl though.
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Talking about FS, Goldson is already a SS… Arenas would be an ideal pick up in my opinion, especially with kick/punt return. Goldson also has over 100 tackles as a safety which is crazy. I’m not sure if he’s up for being resigned or what, but if he’s still part of the team then fine, there’s no reason drafting another corner, we’re fine on corners, we just need a safety other than goldson
Is there a significant difference between FS and SS? I’ve watched football casually for years, but stuff like that is never explained by stupid ass commentators like Joe Buck.
Depends on the D
in 2 deep, not too much, in the D the niners play, the FS has more deep ball responsibility, while the SS is used more in run support
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This
and Goldson isn’t a “bad” FS, he’s a “young and learning” FS. I know it wasn’t you that said that, just responding here.
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he's actually
a pretty bad FS. hes young enough he could get better, but id still rather see him at ss.
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Meh
probably. He puts harrd hits on people, but I think he could be a playmaker in the backfield if given time.
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by bondslegend on Dec 24, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
i dunno
I’ve seen him completely blow coverages quite a bit, and it seems like he’s late giving help over the top all the damn time.
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Well
he was on Fitzgerald over the top all night (TWSS), and the big play to Jackson last night wasn’t on his side of the field. I think he’s improving a lot. This IS his first year starting.
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by bondslegend on Dec 24, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Derr the second last night shouldn't be there
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by bondslegend on Dec 24, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
This
It is so much more exciting and seems much more fair. Want the NFL to adopt.
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Kickoffs should not be removed from the NFL. Just assure both teams a minimum of one possession. Problem completely solved.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not sure why they don’t do that.
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by bondslegend on Dec 23, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s that weird of a premium on field goals. No weirder than, say, a team that’s down by three with a minute to go in regular time.
All overtime does is take a situation (the end of a close or already tied game) where the goal is to at least get in field goal range, and give you another chance to do exactly that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Injuries?
Players are tired, chance of injury goes up?
Plus pretty soon the regular season is going to be what? 56 games?
…but then I remember when the season was only 14 games long and the playoffs began at Christmas time…
LOLD
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Dude hates San Francisco. Mychael Urban says so.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 22, 2009 1:10 PM PST reply actions
Well San francisco hates him!
but we still wouldn’t mind seeing him play for us.
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
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I hate Mycaheaiel Urbane
does that count?
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Molina is needed."
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RafRod!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
And remember: We’re all gonna die, so try to be happy today.
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I expect they will have invented a cure for death by the time im old
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Well, they dont have to give it to everyone. Just the rich people!
BTW im going to be rich.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Mapmaking FTW!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Hasn’t everything already sort of been discovered, though, by, like Magellan and Cortes? NASA, you know?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Obviously this blue part here is the land.
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You want the guy who thought the blue part was land to run the company website?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
18th century agrarian business. But I guess it’s all the same principals. Let me ask you, are you at all concerned about an uprising?
Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 22, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, nothing would probably change except the same people doing it mutiple times and gangstaers going crazy.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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I make no apologies about wanting Bay
There’s no way a contract which only slightly exceeds Rowands anyway could make this a demonstrably worse team.
The key, as always, is money. Neukom keeps saying that he’s willing to open the purse for an impact player.
Hey Neuk. Here’s an impact player (bay or holliday). Put up or shut up.
Desirous of Matt Holliday and Dan Uggla since 2009.
I agree
If we ended up with Bay for 4 yrs, and Uggla for 2 yrs ( without giving up JSanch or Neal ) , I’d be very stoked and would also think the NL West would be in the bag. I know that’s overly optimistic but I’m not as worried about Bay’s D as most.
RF Lewis/Torres
3B F. Sanchez LOL
1B Pablo
LF Bay
2B Uggla
CF Rowan
C Posey
SS Renteria
Looks pretty good to me.
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 23, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
JSANCH BOOYA!!! WITH AUTHORITY!!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 23, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, the only thing I did in that Zito thread was to hiss at somebody for mentioning Stanford, and then I explained myself poorly.
Man, I’m much better at this writing words that make sense thing now than I used to be.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
何？
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ماذا؟
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nothing i said nothing nothing is what i said is nothing i
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 22, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Wow that old post is scary
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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I wasn’t actually posting much at that point yet! I don’t even know if I’d joined yet.
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My sister used to post here
wierd
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Ya, thats how I found this place.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
No
and she is going to Berkeley, smoking weed, etc.
College kid stuff
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
She didnt in high school, but she goes to Berkeley….
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Ya, there was like 5 people smoking in the lobby of her apartment
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
pix plz
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
BUT MY NIPPLES LOOK SO GOOD!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
REOW!
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Dr. Rockzo?
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Dec 22, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
SUBJECT LINE
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
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by bondslegend on Dec 22, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
How have we gone almost eight minutes since this comment without a “no girls on the internet” joke?
I expect better from you, people.
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I have no idea what her screenname was. Im gonna try to find it. Chances are you guys hated her. She probably got banned for starting to many political debates.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
She goes to Berkeley, smokes weed and likes to talk about politics? NO WAI!
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Yea, and plays guitar! Your perfect match!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
we would probably get along actually
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I’ve never heard of anyone at Berkeley like that!
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I found it!!
her name was StopBeingSoKate
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
OOOOOH
I remember her.
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I think I met her at a Fanfest one year.
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weird
I was probably with her.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
It wasn't much of a meeting
I was standing in line for autographs, and she was walking by and asked if I was on McC since I was wearing the shirt. That’s pretty much it. She was by herself looking for the family.
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I was the family! Thats cool though.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, she blended in pretty well.
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I dont know is she got banned, i dont think she did
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t remember any instances where she got banned. We don’t really ban that many people.
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Ya, I was just messin around because she uses any oppurtunity to bring up politics
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
it looks like her last post was to a comment of mine on the day Bonds broke the homer record.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
wow
I guess that makes us, like, cousins or something.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
lol
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Then what I did with her makes us like brothers! AMIRITE!?!?!? HIGH FIVE!
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 22, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Eskimo brothers?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Eww, gross. But I love that show.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 22, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
You married my sister?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Im married?!?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
OH GOD WHAT WAS IN THE PINEAPPLE ORANGE JUIICE???
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
THE GNOMES MADE ME DO IT!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Search function finds no comments from that name.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 22, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
I searched it and found 500 comments
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
it looks like she didn't re-register for the site switchover
But you can find about 5000 comments if you just search her username as a word, not a username.
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500, not 5000.
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Thats what I did
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks
She seemed like a pretty standard poster.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 22, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Ya
Except she was a GIRL!
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old school
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 22, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
There's women on the internet?
Does that make you happy?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
I'll let that slide
My ex went there while we were dating
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
I take pictures
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 22, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
That was before
we discussed lunch on every thread.
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Chocolate Santa from See’s, Jalapeno Pringles, and a Mt. Dew.
I’ll die soon.
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It's All About the Roosevelts, Baybay!!
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BURRITO!!!
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Braised Chicken with Black Beans & Corn
Warm Tortillas
Mexican Fried Rice with Peppers & Pepitas
Salsa, Guacamole, Sour Cream, Chips
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elitist
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Cheeseboard pizza!
Roma tomatoes, onions, mozzarella and asiago cheese, lemon juice, lemon zest, cilantro, garlic olive oil.
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Smoked turkey and salami pressed sandwich with cheddar cheese and garlic aioli mustard
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The buffet at Godavari Indian in Mountain View.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
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The only reason Bay is now being linked to the Giants is because the Mets are bidding against themselves and Bay’s people want an imaginary other team that is interested. Jason ain’t coming to the Bay.
ISWYDT!!!!
And how do you know this? Thats speculation. That could be true, but i really doubt you have that kind of information. Who do you think you are, CPlaneLawr?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Just wait till Dennis24 shows up, then hes fucked.
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He only lasts for five seasons though.
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Yeah and everyone commenting on here isn’t speculating. Of course it’s speculation! But it’s an intelligent one.
Dennis24
Uh, did you mean to write Dennis24?
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What?
DENNIS24 is evolving!
Congratulations! Your DENNIS24 evolved into DENNIS25
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HE IS NOT YOUR DUMB OR AVERAGE FAN
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
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goldz
GiantsGM Just pre-ordered Baseball Prospectus2010 on Amazon. All i need now is a 12 y/o to translate it for me #sfgiants
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Censored for the Purple kiddies
Suck it Take that, Purple Row
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but not quite as many as
“Why are there seagulls at my school and not the beach!”
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My high school had sea gulls!
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because there is way more food on the ground at high schools than there is at the beach
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In SF, are they baygulls? OHHHH!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN9rNN7BnnA
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Baywatch
I really wish the Mets sign him already so we can rosterbate about the next guy. While Bay would be a great addition, I just think that the Giants should go for only 1-2 year deals on any FA signing at the moment. Lincecum’s Giant payday inches closer each passing day and frankly I’d rather see him as a Giant until the day his right arm falls off, then he could go to LA for a nice 3 year deal and pitch like 10 games in those 3 years (aka The Schmidt Way).
But Scooter — what about improving Giants’ horrific offense from here on out?
Pray, and I do mean pray that Sandoval evolves into a Pujols, Neal is for real, Bowker goes bonkers and Rowand alters his batting stance plus approach.
Win the inning.
I don’t think what the Orioles gave Atkins was very much. It would have been worth it for the Giants to pay him that much to see if he could do what he had done in the past.
Nah.
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Atkins hasn’t been a good player since 2006.
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Granted that Atkins played in Coors Field, but he did hit .286 with 21 homeruns in 2008. The Orioles only guaranteed him 4.5 million for one year. If the Giants end up not doing anything that would look pretty good in comparison.
I’m still pulling for a two year contract to DeRosa and a one year contract to Damon.
by parisspleen13 on Dec 22, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
.337 wOBA, -10.6 UZR.
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And 0.7 WAR.
And, had the Giants signed him, he would’ve bumped Pablo Sandoval to first. So we’re essentially talking about a first baseman here.
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I’m pulling in the opposite direction as you.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I will pull in the same direction as you so as to pull opposite paris enough that hopefull the Giants won’t get DeRosa or Damon.
That sounded weird, didn’t it?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
So, what's worse
Our previous fears of starting the season with Jermaine Dye and Bengie Molina signed to multi-year contracts, or starting the season with Eugenio Velez and Eli Whiteside as fixtures in the lineup?
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how would that be worse?
I choose A. Burriss has shown us that young players who fail so epically will be removed after 1/3 of a season or so, so there’s at least some hope with B.
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It’s better to have Whiteside and Velez because they’d only be guaranteed to be there for one year.
by parisspleen13 on Dec 22, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
I like this answer. Dye and Molina would be expensive and would block any potential upgrades.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
hey cool
This is my 5,253 comment!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
26,493rd for me!
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well ive only been here for half a season
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
today?
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 22, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not the quantity…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 22, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
2011 free agents
I’m not saying I’d want all these guys or think they’d be worth the contracts they’d get, but still, the list is definitely better than this year…
Victor Martinez
Joe Mauer
Lance Berkman
Adam Dunn
Derrek Lee
Carlos Pena
Carl Crawford
Jayson Werth
Manny
I think there is only 3 in that list I would seriously want.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Crawford, maybe Pena, Berkman might be worth a look
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Crawford and definitely Pena. Berkman’s a no for me. I’d semi-consider fat Vic based on how he does this year and what that’s gonna cost.
Petey and Fresh always dunking on Spartans,
Biscuits in baskets from Heatley and Thornton,
Bam-Bam and Gore on the way to some rings,
These are a few of my favorite things.
hmmm, Berkmans older than I though
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Lee?
Really?
Hes the one you want most on that list?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Also, he doesn’t want to play here.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Also, hes like 34.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
And not nearly as good as he was five years ago.
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Lee was a white whale for me
…in 2004.
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Bah. It won’t matter if Giants ownership won’t spend $$$
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
The arbitration numbers shouldn’t shoot up anywhere near as much as this year, but is anyone coming off the books in 2011? (Cot’s Contracts is blocked at work since the URL has the word “blog” in it.)
$12.5 million, subtracting Renteria’s $0.5 million buyout.
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But then you have to replace Renteria’s production with that money.
That was the joke.
"It's too late now."
/ Sabean walks outside
“hey you, wanna play shortsop?”
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
"hey you, wanna play shortsop?"
Renteria, on the street: “Okay Brian but let me make a trip to the DL first.”
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Dec 22, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure this is where Sabochy call up Brandon Crawford.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
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Brandon Crawford is going to be our shortstop of the future.
Straight from the ass horses’ mouth
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
But what about
Kevin Frand…I’m sorry I broke up laughing starting to type that
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by Gobroks on Dec 22, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wrong response
Renteria: “No”.
Brain: “It’s all good! Get in there you big gamer you!”
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 22, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks. So much is going to hinge on how much Lincecum (especially), Wilson and Sanchez get in arbitration. Damn, I just realized that Sandoval will almost for sure be a “super two” guy, meaning he’ll probably get bumped up to maybe $5 million or so in 2011.
All of this means we need creativity. I proposed tripling the salary of the Mariners’ GM to lure him here as soon as possible…
this
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don’t think Sandoval will be a Super-2.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he won’t have the playing time.
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I misunderstood it. I thought it was the top 17% of performers with over two years of service time, but now that I read it again it sounds like it’s the top 17% of players closest to but not over three years…
super-2
The top 17 percent of players with at least 2 but less than 3 years of Major League service.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think he’s arb-eligible in 2012.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Technically, Cain could come off the books too
But presumably his $6.25 million option gets exercised.
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Also, that option is complicated
2011 option may:
vest based on IP, GS & finish in Cy Young vote
increase by $1.9M based on IP, GS
2011 option does not vest if Cain finishes 2010 season on disabled list with a right arm injury, unless he wins 2010 Cy Young award or has 60 GS or 400 IP 2009-2010
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If not
then my stairs will get a workout.
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GIANTS LINKED TO MATT STAIRS
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 22, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Giants currently have approximately $49m committed in 2011, but that doesn’t include the 2010 arb guys (Lincecum, Wilson, J. Sanchez, Medders) or the 2011 first time Arb guys (Velez, Lewis, Ishikawa, Merkin – all non-tender candidates.) $43.25M of that is Cain, Zito, Rowand, F. Sanchez.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
and I assume that Cain’s option gets picked up.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
i actually kind of like jayson werth and i doubt mauer will be a FA next year, Twins have till spring training to negotiate an extension
Now batting catcher Buster Posey
my dream for 2010
Signing Werth would be a mistake IMO
I think he would be a trap signing
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Werth = Rowand with legit power and patience
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Facebook dumbasses
Aaron H. Hartley bay deserves the money if we win the world series!!! He is the missing link to EVERYBODY on the offensive side of the team being better, anyone who doesnt see we are one great hitter from the WS is not a real baseball fan, Bay is the best pure hitter out there, Thomas Neal? C’mon dude get real WE WANT A WS WIN!!! nothing less is acceptable.
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Bay is the best pure hitter out where?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
The Skopje Scythe!
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by groug on Dec 22, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
nice
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 22, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Also
Daniel A. Wilson Wow, I’m amazed at all the Sabean haters.
Who the hell is amazed by that!? Surely, even remaining Sabean fanboys are aware at how many people think he’s a dumbass.
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My grandfather has been dead since 1995, and I’m pretty sure even he thinks Sabean is a dumbass.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
My dog growls at the mention of his name.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I can beat that
My grandfather has been dead since 1982, and I’’m pretty sure he thinks Sabean is a dumbass.
"meh"
My dog thinks Sabean is a dumbass. And he just tried to eat one of our Christmas ornaments.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Sabes just walked right into my house, grabbed the brightly colored fish and started chomping on it. I had to distract him with a milk bone to get him to drop it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
'Fess up.
You didn’t feed any bacon to the dog. I would be mad as well if I was the dog.
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
CONFESSION TIME
I was a Sabean defender until 2004.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He made a lot of moves I hated, but I thought he was good on balance. And, before 2004, he did a lot of good – the Schmidt trade, the Nen trade, etc. In retrospect, though, a lot of his success was just Barry being ridiculous, and he had nothing to do with that.
Around 2003, things started to turn sour for me, and by the time of his infamous Vladimir Guerrero quote, I hated him.
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I like Sabean until he signed Edgardo and gave Pedro a bench sentence.
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 22, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
and followed that up by trading for Pyrzinski and jettisoned Torrealba.
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 22, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
/grammer
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 22, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
/chasm
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 1:07 AM PST up reply actions
Those were different seasons
Alfonzo was signed prior to the 2003 season. Pierzynski was traded for prior to 2004. Torrealba was traded in the middle of 2005.
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i don’t care, it’s all part of the same continuum mess
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 22, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
if they went with Feliz and Torrealba, they would’ve had enough $$ to sign Vlad.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 22, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
There wasn’t a ton of reason for a fan to hate the Alfonzo signing at the time. None of us could have predicted what would happen.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Well, he was coming off a pretty lackluster year.
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Wait, no
The lackluster year was 2001. Now that I check he was pretty good in 2002. Power was still down from its 2000 high, though.
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If he had replicated the skills of his 2002 year over the course of his contract, even including BABIP and AVG fluctuations and a slow decline in defense and speed, we would have been satisfied with it.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Absolutely.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
2002? mediocre, certainly no better than Feliz.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 22, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Huh? The guy had an OBP through the roof. And he even pleased the knuckle-draggers with his .308 batting average.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Alfonzo, 2002: .308 / .391 / .459, 16 HR, 127 OPS+, 5.9 UZR, 5.1 WAR
Feliz’s best season as a starter: .276 / .305 / .485, 22 HR, 100 OPS+, 7.5 UZR, 2.3 WAR
Not even close.
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even with all those derivative stats, you’re not making much of a case. Overall, I’d say they’re even.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions
Derivative stats?
Which ones are those?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
The ones that are derived from things.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/newton_and_leibniz.png
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
Oh my god
oh. my. god. There is no cure for ignorance.
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well, for one thing, Feliz’s UZR is 27% higher than that given for Alfonzo, that’s significant. And, what, RBI don’t matter (Feliz 84, Alfonzo 56)?
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
The first person ever to argue that RBIs and UZR are the two best stats!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
argued no such thing
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Pedro Feliz only has the RBIs because he wears a special cloak that provides a +10 boost to his RBI.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
and to answer your question
no, RBI don’t matter when you’re evaluating individual talent.
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yeah, i suppose the get driven in by the cloak
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
they mostly get driven in
by being on base when the player comes up to bat. If you’re batting 7th on a low-OBP team, you could be Albert Pujols and not get a lot of RBI.
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a human still has to put the bat on the ball, so it means something.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
what does that even mean?
those stats up there? they state pretty unequivocally that Alfonso was better at “put[ting] the bat on the ball” than Pete Happy.
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and while we’re at it, if a player’s performance is discounted because his numbers are so dependent on ancillary factors (eg, batting order, runners on base, etc), then why shouldn’t such derivative stats be discounted, as well, as they are just (if not more) as dependent on ancillary information?
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
please
explain what you mean by derivative stats
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Example of "derivative stats"?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 23, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
not—when a runner crosses the plate, he is awarded a run scored.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Why does he get to cross plate? Other than a home run or a steal of home, I’m pretty sure his crossing the plate is directly linked to someone else’s skill (to drive him in) or ineptitude (wild pitch, passed ball).
But he has to get on base first, which, percentagewise, is derivative of his hits, walks, HPB, and plate appearances.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
the action may be somewhat derivative, but the statistic is not. The run is awarded to the player stepping on the plate; that’s a rule, that’s baseball.
He was on base for a reason—he was good enough to have gotten a hit, a walk, even a forceout. Good players score more runs than bad players, just on the nature of their being there and executing the opportunity.
Same with RBI, so I don’t buy into the philosophy that that these primary statistics are somehow less relevant than the derivative ones that owe their existence to the primary ones that they are dependent on.
We might not like it that Molina is slow and doesn’t walk much, but he did well in three primary statistical areas-HR, RBI, and Avg, and it would take a helluva a lot of derivative stats to out-produce what he gave the Giants for the past few years.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
You’re going to a lot of trouble to excuse yourself for not understanding the concept of a rate stat.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
please
name me one “Derivative stat” in common use that uses RBI or Runs anywhere.
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RBIs are irrelevant because – unless a player hits a HR, in which case there better stats (HRs, SLG, ISO) – they are completely dependent on the ability of other players to get on base. Analysis has shown that hitting ability does not appreciably change in “clutch” situations. This means that overall rate stats are far likelier to predict future performance because they AREN’T based on the performance of other players. The RBI is a stat that measures group performance. OBP and SLG measure individual performance.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 23, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
The whole thing?
That would be epic.
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I think Huckabay or Pease's sig on RSBB was literally:
First batter walks
2nd batter hits into fielder’s choice, safe at first
3rd batter singles
Fourth batter hits a sac fly
Now do you see why RBIs are misleading?
(this example also works for runs scored)
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a derivative statistic is a statistic that is based on other statistics. Homers, Runs, RBI are primary statistics. OBP is derived from average and total bases, hence, derivative.
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
what?
so, you don’t like rate stats?
In any case, OBP, SLG, BA are all influenced (by varying degrees) by things in the player’s control. RBI is mostly influenced by things outside a player’s control.
What is an “ancillary factor” you think should discount OBP?
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I’m just saying that stats, and their derivation, should be understood before making blanket statements.
Facts aren’t stupid things, but statistics often are.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
right
especially your stats. The stats the rest of us are using ARE well understood, even crazy ones that would make your head asplode, like wOBA.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Stats are a lot less stupid when you understand them, though. Except the stupid ones, of course.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Are those the ones he tweets about?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t follow him on twitter. A few years ago, he came up with runs created which was Runs + RBIs – HR’s (cleverly subtracted to avoid double counting). I’m pretty sure a sabermagician like Tom Tango would’ve blanched when he saw runs created used that way.
I thought giantsrainman made that stat up.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Like RIBEYES
which really aren’t a stupid stat, when you only want to know how much situational value a player provided to the team in past seasons, but they are extremely stupid to use to try and figure out how a player is likely to perform in the future.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
that’s recockulous! Putting the bat on the ball with a resulting run is one of the most basic functions in the game.
Score runs. Not some virtual planet-aligning concoction of what-if’s that may or may not produce a run.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think we can all agree that scoring a runs is necessary to win games. The disagreement merely lies in the treatment of runs and RBIs as personal stats—with the exception of home runs, it requires more than one person’s actions to score a run or RBI.
this
exactly this.
A player’s Runs/RBI give a pretty good account of their value within the context of the team they were on. However, since if you sign a player they typically don’t bring the rest of the team with them, you need to use stats that aren’t so context dependent when evaluating them.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
How are home runs based on another statistic?
So what you’re saying (except for this inexplicable home run thing) is that if something has to happen on the field for a stat to happen, or if you have to put one number into another number to get a stat, that it is derivative?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
I think here is the confusion. OBP doesn’t give a rat’s hairy arse about total bases. OBP is all about the rate a guy on pace to make an out for 1000 P.A.’s To get on base, steal a base, advance a runner over a base the hitter as to not make an out first..
Who’s brain did you bring me?
Brain SabeanOranother.
If you’re talking about OBP, it’s calculated based on your opportunities, not your totals. And your ability to perform in those opportunities demonstrates that you possess a skill.
RBIs do not take opportunity into account at all.
And, strangely enough, when you do take opportunity into account when calculating RBI, it turns out that it’s not a replicable skill.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
tell these guys that it’s not a replicable skill—
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/RBI_career.shtml
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 23, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Can you tell me how to get in touch with them?
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 23, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
Nowhere on the page that lists the MLB career RBI leaders do I see any assertion by baseballreference.com that RBI production is replicable.
All I see is that each of the top guys played in more than 2500 games, and that the career leader actually played in more than 3000.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair, though, I had to go to derivative pages to find that info.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
No, RsBI don't matter
not to me. Hit someone 4th in the lineup and they’re going to get more RsBI than anywhere else. It’s entirely situational
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No, RBIs do not matter.
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I prefer RsBI
it’s more smartass-ey
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by bondslegend on Dec 23, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
He really did pull off some good trades in the early 2000s. Really good, actually. He got Schmidt from the Pirates for very little, JT Snow for a scrub, Nen for three unknowns, and Jeff Kent. Like many others have said, though, he made the one really bad trade and just hasn’t been good since in terms of trades or (most of his) signings…
JT was actually 1997, not the early 00s
….and he was pretty much a scrub at the time. He was pretty much the worst hitting first baseman in the game. Actually, that trade got absolutely ripped apart at the time. I was okay with it myself because we had no options at first base (our best option had been Mark Carreon, but Sabean traded him for a middle reliever) and I didn’t think much of Allen Watson.
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oh, and
Nen was also the 90s. The guys we gave up for him weren’t unknowns – they were pretty solid prospects at the time. Fontenot was rated our #1 prospect by BA (although our farm system was terrible at the time).
And Jeff Kent, well, we’ve had this discussion before, but I’m pretty sure he got lucky with that one. At the time, everyone was saying that Julian Tavarez was the centerpiece of that deal. Kent was, by all reports, a throw-in.
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I remember being furious at the Kent trade because Sabean traded Matt Williams who was my favorite Giant at that time.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
same here; Sabean is still living off that fortunate result.
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by greatgiantfan on Dec 22, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Snow turning into a decent 1B was about as suprising as Kent turning into a borderline HOFer.
Snow hit .257/.331/.408/ 91 OPS+ in 2003 PAs before the deal, and .272/.369/.435/ 111 OPS+ in 4550 PAs after it. And he came to SF in his age 29 season.
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His 1995 season was pretty good. 96 not so much, but JT was not a scrub at the time of the deal. The Angels had a lot of outfielders they could move to 1B and ended up going with Erstad. It was a good trade at the time & it proved to be even better later.
"It's too late now."
1994: .220 / .289 / .345, 63 OPS+
1995: .289 / .353 / .465, 112 OPS+
1996: .257 / .327 / .384, 81 OPS+
Overall: .258 / .330 / .410, 92 OPS+
1995 was indeed pretty solid, but even a 112 OPS+ isn’t all that great for a first baseman (unless you’re the post-Will Clark Giants) – hell, Garko has a 109 OPS+, and we just gave him away for free.
Overall, you had a 29 year old first baseman with a career 92 OPS+ coming off a wretched season. Even with defense, that wasn’t exactly an inspiring acquisition at the time. Especially if you still had hope for Allen Watson, as some did (I didn’t).
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I dunno. I kinda liked Watson at the time because he was the best (prior to September) of a miserable 96 rotation. We didn’t have much pitching to spare. But JT Snow wasn’t just some scrub to me at the time. Maybe it was because I bought into the Angel hype on JT in 95 (I lived in Fullerton at the time). Todd Benzinger can do strange things to you man.
"It's too late now."
And at the time I would have been looking at stats like these:
93 AAA: 94 AB, 5 HR, 25 RBI, .340 AVG (Ignores the fact that he’s 25 & it’s his 2nd year in AAA)
94 AAA: 189 AB, 8 HR, 43 RIBBIES, .290 AVG (third year in AAA, 26 years old)
94 Angels: 223 AB, 8 HR, 30 RBI, .220 AVG
95 Angels: 544 AB, 24 HR, 102 RBI, .287 AVG
96 Angels: 575 AB, 17 HR, 67 RBI, .257 AVG
He was the centerpiece of the Jim Abbott trade. Jim Abbott!
"It's too late now."
How could you not be? The results were still there.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Well, there were a lot of folks on places like alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants who weren’t so keen on him even back then.
In retrospect, like I said, a lot of the writing was on the wall about his various failings and blind spots.
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below, I mean
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
I take pictures
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 22, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
The grammar, the syntax: my God, it’s horrible!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
OT because I am at home bored watching Venture Bros.
“I AM TONY DANZA TO YOUR SPUNK ALYSSA MILANO! I AM FULL ON CHARLES IN CHARGE OF YOU!”
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
er SPUNKY, kind of changes the tone of that.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I’m still waiting for my VB treatment!
(I also have no idea what is going on with the first episode of season 4)
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
I just realized that with the CGC value thing.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Also, Giants boy detective is Hitler.
I’m sure you knew that, but I wanted to blow the mind of anyone who hasn’t seen the show
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lol
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
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I sorta figured that out in the first scene.
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As you may have surmised, it’s shown in nonlinear order. The CGC # that keeps popping up is the rating for the comic book. It goes down as it gets more and more ragged and helps indicate when they actually take place.
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Hank’s hair was a nice touch.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Did you notice Dean’s failstache?
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oh yeah, a few times. but now that I know the chronology of it, I wanna go back and see it shrink.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
I have a sneaking suspicion
That Brian Sabean and Brock Sampson shop at the same clothing stores.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
I need to get new VBros DVDs. I have the first two seasons, but have yet to watch anything beyond that.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Best response ever to why I pick Thomas Neal over Jason Bay
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
I take pictures
what this guy doesn't understand
Neal is real.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
C'mon dude get real!
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 22, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
for shame!
how dare he!
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Jason Bay is a transitional fossil?!
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another OT:
I am currently getting ready to take a train ride to Fresno to visit my in-laws. Yup.
Brought to you from the same wife who made me go to the Lady GaGa Party =)
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Just visited this weekend. Not family, friends. It was fun. That is all.
Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 22, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t mind fresno that much really. Just a long train trip for the holidays
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Yeah, it’s not as bad as it’s made out to be. Where you leaving from?
Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 22, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
those central valley trains are icky! We took one once thinking it would be the same set up as the ones that go from Sac to Emeryville. Not even close! Dark, dank, crowded, itty bitty little windows…. blech! That WAS almost 10 years ago though, maybe they’ve upgraded those cars. For your sake I hope so.
Fres-YES!
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 22, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
LADY GAGA PARTY!
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 22, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
wheee
I was looking for cartoons and such on On Demand for my son to watch. One of the free movies currently available:
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I don’t remember this one.
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Wow, Mila Kunis and Ed Begley Jr. were in it.
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I'm watching it now for the LOLs
Also in it: Clint Howard, Robin Curtis (the second Lt. Saavik).
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Voila
http://www.wrestlecrap.com/classic7.html
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
oh of course it can. Worse I would guess.
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'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
I really loved this movie when it first came out
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
You may be the only person to ever like a Hulk Hogan movie!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
When I was in college, one of my trademarks was to put this album on when the party was peaking:
“IF YOU WANT TO BE A HULKAMANIAC, I CAN SURE TELL YOU HOW TO STAY ON TRACK.
YOU GOT TO TRAIN REAL HARD, EAT YOUR VITAMINS TOO
THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS HULKAMANIACS DO!”
Note: this is rapped by Hogan. It’s even better than you’re thinking.
Also, I wasn’t very popular in college.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 22, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have that album
It’s pretty hilarious.
Also notable: “Little Hulksters in Heaven,” a sensitive ballad where Hogan croons his sorrow over the death of a young fan, lamenting, “The world just lost…another Hulkamaniac.”
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
All this reminds me of one of the weirdest things I've ever seen
http://www.myspace.com/thehulkhoganexperiment
It’s a guy dressed as Hulk Hogan, rapping badly and singing his own female background vocals about getting women and doing drugs. And how Ric Flair sucks.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2ndIhkA_ss
I had never heard of this until now. Wow.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
“Party” is a codeword for D&D session.
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Also
Try to do good each and every day,
Don’t give ’em nothing bad to say.
Always go swimming with a buddy,
Work real hard and always study.
If you want to be real real cool,
Don’t be stupid and play the fool.
Get your education each and every day,
These are all the things the Hulkamaniacs say.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I always thought what rap music needed was more swimming safety tips.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
This song is still awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGuhZvO1DKg
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That is just wrong.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 22, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Correction: TWO Hulk Hogan movies!
We all have silly tastes when we are little kids. I was 7 and 9, respectively, when these came out.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I asked my 3 1/2 year old son if he liked Santa With Muscles
Matthew: No.
Me: Yeah, it’s pretty bad, huh?
Matthew: Yeah-yeah!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I didn’t have the array of entertainment options that he currently has.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
One Hulk daughter
Now offering free hugs from Amy G.
Billy Ripken is still a douche bag.
by kbsofaraway08 on Dec 22, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Shes no volleyball player
but not bad
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Ya. That would be weird.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
She’s rather mannish. And a bad singer.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYYYmvYOsjA
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 22, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Depends: is she eating crackers?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
CREEPIEST PHOTO EVER
http://www.superphotospace.com/images/thumb/brooke_hogan125_4818920fd8db5-t.jpg
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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Is that Date Attel on the right?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 22, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
*Dave Attel
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 22, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
we just watched that during our christmas soiree, the other night
it’s a complicated plot. it takes a while to get going. there is not enough bodyslamming.
but it is worth it for Hogan’s santa suit going from ‘baggy’ to ‘skin tight with white fur piping around the cut-offs’ .
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
On another topic: Did we ever do anything with the player community projections? Looking back, it appears that molina actually outperformed my prediction (apparently I expected 2009 to be the season where his age, weight, and hacking ways finally caught up with him), timmy and zito were slightly better than I predicted, and rowand was worse.
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
My Molina prediction was pretty spot on...
…in terms of BA and OBP. I didn’t think he’d hit any home runs, either.
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contract year!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 22, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
I think Molina did OK. Bork batting him 4th was NOT ok.
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Billy Ripken is still a douche bag.
by kbsofaraway08 on Dec 22, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, everyone is here. I was wondering why nothing was going on in the other thread.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 22, 2009 4:06 PM PST reply actions
Welcome
Come for the rumors, stay for the rosterbations.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Dec 22, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t mind the sticky coating on all the surfaces.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 22, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
if only rosterbating was that satisfying
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Dec 22, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
That would be a pretty sweet lineup… but when we had Bonds, there was a sense of urgency to “win now”, and that feeling has stuck with Giants fans over the last few years… so Sabean has tried to appease us by signing Zito, Rowand and various Edgardo Alfonso’s… which have never worked…. it almost worked, once… but never got us a W.S. ring.
Honestly, I’m all for just kickin back with what we have, thus, seeing what we have, and trying again next offseason to find a capable hitter…. assuming the guys in the minors don’t make an impact.
So you came up to me at the end of the night
I stay in profile and keep out of the light
I’d like to meet your gaze and face you straight on.
But there’s something in my features that’s very very wrong
If I seem a tad evasive, or preoccupied
I’ll put it to you straight, I’d be in trouble if I lied
Any further chance of congress will prob’ly be wrecked
But I’ll tell you the truth, and darn me to heck
There’s a lump like a casaba melon stuck on my neck
If I didn’t have a goiter, I’d ask you out
If I didn’t have a goiter, I wouldn’t wear these turtlenecks
If I didn’t have a goiter, I wouldn’t be quite so vexed
If I didn’t have a goiter, goiter, goiter, goiter, goiter
PiKAgiant
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Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 22, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Joe Frisaro tweets
#Marlins Dealing Uggla to Braves would be intriguing. But just caught wind from a source, Uggla not expected to land in Atlanta.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
Yay at the Braves not getting Uggla
Boo at the Giants having a chance to get Uggla =/
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Dec 22, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Jayson Bay
I like your confusion Grant, but your lineup leaves a few issues. #1 Andres Torres has to be given a full year opportunity. #2 if Rowand has to play let it be as a pinch hitter. #3Posey is way not ready for prime time. At least a full year away. Uggla is a dilemma especially if we take the defense down a notch with Bay, we can’t have an up the middle issue as well.
Blech.
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what part of
“Rowand” and “pinch hitter” are you bleching about?
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 22, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
the part
that he would probably be replaced with “Podsednik” and our outfield would be velez/PODS/torres
yeah
but with Rownad off the bench in the late innings… that will have some bullpen coaches REALLY quaking in their shoes.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 23, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe we should trade for Fielder!!!
But who could we give?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
#1 Andres Torres has to be given a full year opportunity.
Those words should never be written ever again.
#3Posey is way not ready for prime time. At least a full year away.
That can go either way. Valid arguments can be made for him to be ready now, or next year. It’s not cut and dried like you make it sound.
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wilriv sez
needs to wear a smaller glove
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 22, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Posey is way not ready for prime time. At least a full year away.
People keep stating this as fact, and yet they never say anything to back it up.
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This is untrue… I have repeatedly pointed out that there is very little historic precedent for successful 23 year old everyday starting catchers with less than 200 games of professional experience.
In addition, I believe that a man doesn’t physically come into his athletic prime until his mid to late 20’s. I think that full-time catching in the ML is a very demanding workload which should be worked up to over a period of time, much like is done with pitchers under 24 or so (although the injury risk to pitchers is greater naturally).
Lastly, while I think he has scads of talent, I don’t consider him to be a polished defensive catcher (though admittedly this is from having watched him start a grand total of two games in person) and the win now, media fishbowl pressure he will face in the majors isn’t the most conducive atmosphere for learning. Mock if you will, but a few more months playing under Decker in Fresno doesn’t sound like a bad thing to me…
Can you definitively state he is ready to start everyday for a full season? What do you back up that argument with?
While I acknowledge it’s not cut and dried, I happen to think it is unwise from a player development standpoint and think putting that much pressure on so young of a player is potentially counter productive. It may be that the Giants are desperate enough to take that risk, but that doesn’t make it a good thing.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 22, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Could you provide some evidence for any of your points please?
It’s just bloviating at this point…
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Evidence for the lack of historical evidence? Provide the names of 23 year olds with 125 games of pro experience that have excelled as starting catchers if you want to refute that point.
Regarding age and athletic prime, I clearly stated that was a belief – formed by observation and personal experience. My experience was in martial arts, and as a 20 year old, I was clearly less well developed than guys in their mid 20’s in the ring. But to provide you with some of the things that helped form my opinion about age and athletic prime, the belief that hitters peak around age 27 is common enough to be considered a common myth in this article. As for pitchers’ injuries before age 24 – look here, I consider catcher to be the second most physically demanding position to play, and the riskiness of putting the workload of a full MLB season on a 23 year old is based on that.
Regarding his defensive readiness, I formed an opinion by watching him play… how else? Do you think there’s a defensive metric that’s accurate for catchers and for which we have a large enough sample to make a meaningful statistical argument?
Did you provide any evidence he’s ready right now? Bloviator. Gee, I can call someone names too….
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 23, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
If the brass where to start him in Fresno, I would understand. Knowing when a player is ready for the workload is really the kind of stuff that the fans wouldn’t really have any way of judging. I don’t know how so many people are dead certain he isn’t ready, though. You yourself admit that the case is full of unkowns.
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A lack of evidence is not the same as contradictory evidence.
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Name Age M C T BJ Surhoff 22 160 ? 160+ Matt Wieters 23 120 185 305 Johnny Bench 19 223 0 223 Ivan Rodriguez 19 274 0 274 Charles Johnson 22 230 ? 230+ Buster Posey 23 103 130 233
Here’s a little chart I just made up.
M = games caught in the minors.
C = games caught in college
T = total games
Age = when they were called up and for Buster it would be his age for the 2010 season
I got the info from Baseball reference and Baseball cube. Some of the minor league info is incomplete. For example, it’s unlikely that Pudge caught every game he played in the minors so his number is likely lower. It’s also unlikely the Matt Wieters caught every game he played in College. I only used Buster’s last two seasons in college because he didn’t catch as a freshman.
I couldn’t find info for BJ Surhoff or Charles Johnson from college.
Overall I would say this: While Buster does have less experience catching professionally than any of those other guys he is fairly close to Wieters and you can’t simply ignore his experience in college. Is playing in the ACC at least equivalent to rookie ball? I’m sure someone has an answer for that.
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Also, there may not be many 23 year olds with 125 games of pro experience that have excelled as starting catchers but there also aren’t many catchers that have accomplished what Buster has. As far as I can tell Jason Varitek is the only other catcher to win the golden spikes award and he was a lousy hitter in the minors.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Were there a lot of pitchers that had dominated like Timmy did?
Maybe Buster is just a rare specimen in the same way Tim is.
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by bondslegend on Dec 23, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Well, a lot of pitchers have won the golden spikes award. Timmy is a freak though.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Who is this Timmy?
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by BringBackBenitoSantiago on Dec 23, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Of those, Wieters is the most compelling example, but I think not a perfect comparison. The Orioles sucked, everyone knew they sucked and they were expected to lose, so the pressure to win was not there – not exactly the situation Buster will find himself in. However, even ignoring that, and looking at total games caught in college and pros in your nifty chart, Wieters is like 70 games ahead (oddly, about the minimum amount of live game experience that I’ve been advocating)… probably because Buster wasn’t a catcher his whole college career. Do you know if Wieters played catcher through High School, College and the Minors? I’d be interested to find out..
Surhoff is very surprising and interesting, but of the 160 games he played that year, only 98 were at catcher, so not full-time (and in fact he didn’t catch as many as 125 games in a single season until age 25).
The other three all have well over 200 pro games, and Johnny Bench for example had been preparing himself to be a ML catcher from a very young age.
I’m not sure about the equivalence of college and low minors, I just think it’s not as easy as ‘strap on the gear and go out and catch, kid’. My reluctance to anoint him as the everyday starter has less to do with what production he will put up (although I would be wary of a late season collapse) and more to do with what is the proper way to develop a catcher for long term success.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 23, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Since 1980 there have been 8 college catchers drafted in the top 10 picks of the first round:
1983 (8) Robbie Wine – never hit higher than .244 in the minors before being called up as a 23 year old.
1985 (1) BJ Surhoff – called up as a 22 year old, had a great rookie year, played 115 games caught 98.
1990 (7) Dan Wilson – struggled to hit his first 4 seasons in the minors.
1999 (3) Eric Munson – OPS of .879(A), .803(AA), .853(AA), .860(AAA) in the minors before getting a full time shot as a 25 year old. Had a nice season but never hit after that.
2005 (3) Jeff Clement – Hit well in 34 games in A ball his first year, struggled his 2nd season(AAA), did well his 3rd season (AAA) and mashed his 4th season (AAA). Hasn’t done anything in the pros.
2007 (5) Matt Wieters – called up after catching 120 games. Had a nice rookie season.
2008 (5) Buster Posey
2009 (4) Tony Sanchez
So over the last 30 years there have only been two players who were similar to Posey: Surhoff and Wieters. If I recall correctly Surhoff was not considered a strong defensive catcher.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Yeah I should have had Castro too.
Castro – Hit well in A ball last season, saw his number drop some in AA.
These are all the 1st round catchers since 1980:
1980
(12) Jeff Reed HS
(13) Henry Powell HS
(24) John Gibbons HS
1981
(25) Kevin Burrell HS
(26) Frank Castro University of Miami
1982
(13) John Russell University of Oklahoma
(14) Ron Karkovice HS
1983
(8) Robbie Wine OSU
(9) Matt Stark HS
(17) Terry Bell ODU
1984
(6) Erik Pappas HS
(13) Bob Caffrey Fullerton
(14) John Marzano Temple
1985
(1) BJ Surhoff UNC
(5) Kurt Brown HS
(16) Terry McCall HS
1986
(12) Scott Hemond USF
(18) Phil Clark HS
1987
(22) Craig Biggio Seton Hall
(23) Bill Haselman UCLA
(25) John Orton Cal Poly
1988
(16) Stan Royer Eastern Illinois U
1989
(2) Tyler Houston HS
(10) Charles Johnson HS
(13) Brent Mayne Fullerton
(24) Alan Zinter UofA
1990
(3) Mike Lieberthal HS
(7) Dan Wilson U of Minnesota
(19) Eric Christopherson SDSU
1991
(24) John Farrell Florida Junior College
1992
(23) Jason Kendall HS
(28) Charles Johnson Miami
(32) Ryan Luzinski HS
1993
(21) Jason Varitek Georgia Tech
1994
(13) Paul Konerko HS
(14) Jason Varitek Georgia Tech
(17) Ramon Castro HS
1995
(2) Ben Davis HS
1996
None
1997
(22) Jayson Werth HS
1998
None
1999
(3) Eric Munson USC
(11) Ryan Christianson HS
2000
(25) Scott Heard HS
(28) David Parrish Michigan – doesn’t say college
2001
(1) Joe Mauer HS
2002
None
2003
(28) Daric Barton HS
(30) Mitch Maier U of Toledo
2004
(11) Neil Walker HS
(24) Landon Powell South Carolina
2005
(3) Jeff Clement USC
(13) Brandon Snyder HS
2006
(23) Maxwell Sapp HS
(25) Hank Conger HS
2007
(5) Matt Wieters Georgia Tech
(15) Devin Mesoraco HS
(21) JP Arencibia Tennessee
2008
(5) Buster Posey FSU
(6) Kyle Skipworth HS
(10) Jason Castro Stanford
(16) Brett Lawrie HS
2009
(4) Tony Sanchez BC
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
That Johnny Bench guy must have sucked. 223 games of experience? needs moar seasoning.
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So your argument is that with 100 less games of professional experience than the greatest catcher in the history of the game, Buster is obviously ready to play everyday?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 23, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Is there a difference catching in college vs. the pros? I’ve heard that a lot of pitchers call the pitch selection in college, but I’m pretty sure I’ve heard of that happening in the pros as well.
But if the number of games is equal, as in this case, does it matter? Sure, he might not be used to the “long grind of the major league season,” but neither is anyone else until they’re in the majors.
Which is why the development period for most minor league players is measured in years… so they have the opportunity to work up to the grind.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 23, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
IIRC, in Buster’s case the coach called the pitches in college.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 23, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
nope
just that there’s no clear evidence that he isn’t.
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This is the essence of what everyone is saying. Sure, Johnny, there are scant examples of catchers with the same amount of catching experience being given a chance to be ML regulars behind the dish. However, those historical trends should only be guides (there was only 6’5 catcher before Joe Mauer, but he’s been damned fine behind the plate). They don’t tell us whether Gerald N Posey is or is not ready. His offensive stats in the minors pretty clearly indicate that he’s ready to be a ML hitter. There are no good defensive stats for catchers, so we have to go with what scouts and front office types think about him as a player. You’ve offered no feedback of this type regarding Buster, so please forgive us if we’re skeptical of your arguments.
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The scouts and front office types have pretty much made it clear they don’t think he’s ready yet (at least in the Giants organization). 125 games is a pretty small sample to be so certain about his offensive abilities, but that’s actually the least of my concerns – he’s a good hitter, he’d probably hit pretty well… until he’s caught 100 and something games and it’s the end of the season and he has the most pressure on him to perform precisely when he’s experiencing the longest workload of his young life.
Developmentally, I think you do best for young players by putting them in situations conducive to success – I don’t think pinning a big league club’s playoff hopes on a tired young player fits that bill.
There also was a claim that people who are not ready to anoint him the starter don’t have anything to back up their beliefs… yet I’ve seen no one present evidence of someone doing what so many seem to think is patently obvious – start a 23 year old with very limited catching experience as an everyday major league catcher.
I don’t even claim to be certain he can’t handle it – I just think it’s not a smart risk to take.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 23, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just here for the lulz.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 22, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Evidence?
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so…
80 WINZ?
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So where is he?
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Look near his evil twin, in the center.
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Looks like he is to the left of the game ring about ready to club that granny over the head.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 22, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Found him! He’s hanging out by the bathrooms!
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by say hey nation on Dec 23, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, are we looking for Walrusman or Waldo/ I’m confused.
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by say hey nation on Dec 23, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
What does Waldo look like again?
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Sorry dude, I read real books.
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by shanghaijim on Dec 22, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like Timmy
I bet Timmy wishes he could hide his stash as well as Waldo can, I mean if you can barely find Waldo — how can you find where he hide his weed?
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by Scooter Ellis on Dec 22, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 22, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
I have only found the wizard so far on this one.
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Is this Waldo? I cannot figure out if this is him or not.
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Nah, that’s Wanda, his girlfriend or sister or w/e. You can tell because her hair is long and slightly curled at the end and her glasses are pointy.
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DAMMIT
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I can’t seem to find Waldo either. I’ve found Odlaw, Wanda, the Wizard, and several Waldo Watchers, but no Waldo. Or Woof, but I don’t really care about him.
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Hey by the way, SHARKS FINALLY WIN A BIG GAME AT CHICAGO, and i get to rub it in my friends face who went to that game
I was watching a bit earlier when it was 2-0. Good for them I guess.
Is it wrong I care more about finding Waldo than the Sharks beating the Blackhawks?
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sigh, I wish the Giants or the Niners could see the post season.
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well, it’s only been what, 6 years since the last post season for either team…. but the sharks? GOD!!!! feel like i want to shoot myself after they choke
That’s why I am glad that I am not too into the Sharks. The last few years coupled with my other bay area sports fandom would have made me kill myself long ago.
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DALOLLAS
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It feels like alot of fans in the bay area do not really like Dallas teams… such as the Mavs, Cowboys, Stars, but baseball???? dunno what to say there, not a big fan of houston, dont know why though
As a Niner fan, the only true response is FUCK THE COWBOYS.
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As a Sharks fan, the only true response is TUUUUUUUURRRRRRRCCCCOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Oh, and then making a reference to how Steve Ott is a pussy.
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Have the sharks always been a rival of Dallas? because yea Turco and Ott plus Modano, he’s gone though
Sharks have always seemed to meet Dallas in the playoffs, and have pretty much never won against them. Plus, they’ve generally been the best two teams in the division, so there’s always been an extra competitive edge to the games.
And then freaking Modano always scores against the Sharks, which is really annoying.
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Love it. Not a fan of how they won (getting out-shot 47-14, largest differential in franchise history), but I’m glad that they finally beat Chicago. Doesn’t make up for the 7-2 stinker the last time they met (which I was at – ugh), but it means that they’re back in first place in the West.
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Holy shit, 47-14? What was the final score?
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3-2, Sharks. Although, one of the Hawks goals was tipped in by Huskins (damn him) with like, 1:51 left, so I’m going to pretend it was just 3-1.
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Haha, seriously. Huskins’s was not as bad as Vishnevsky’s own-goal by any means, which does make me feel a bit better about it.
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Love this idea. Probably will never be cold enough or have enough snow for the NHL to want to do it there, but it would be awesome.
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yea, for now they’re in first place. But i love how Danny Boyle put it “Not a great win”. Well no shit, you’re putting a hell of a lot of pressure on Nabby to win the game for you
Thank goodness he’s up to the task. Well, at least tonight he was. Both tonight and last night he should have had shutouts, though, with the way he was playing.
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Both Shelley and Staubitz have been out for a month or so (Shelley with a broken hand after a fight, and Staubtiz with possibly a broken jaw bone after getting a puck to the face in practice), but they’re not defensemen.
It’s more of Blake’s age catching up to him and Vlasic having an off-year, along with Huskins not really carrying his weight. Boyle, Murray, and Demers have all played pretty well, although Boyle and Demers are much better in the offensive zone, I admit.
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How long did they sign Blake for? And Huskins is a rook isn’t he? And i would definitely assume Boyle and Demers as more offensive weapons rather just defensemen. But Would you just classify Shelley and Staubitz as enforcers? kinda like what Mclaren is doing now? Or Georges Laroque
Blake is only signed for a year, since he’s 40 and if he retires or gets injured, his cap hit will stick for the remainder of his contract. And Huskins actually won the Cup with the Ducks back in 2007, so not really – he just hasn’t played that much due to injuries since.
And Shelley and Staubitz are definitely enforcers. Shelley is a heavyweight, like Georges Laraque, just not as good. Staubitz is more of a middleweight that will take on anyone, and he’s really only had one good fight to his name (but man, what a fight that was).
McLaren is sort of an enforcer – taking on Parros is generally something that enforcers only do – but he was used a lot on the PP and PK down in Worcester because he is pretty good defensively and knows how to use his body to screen the goalie. As he develops, I’d bet on him being a consistent PKer while still dropping the gloves occasionally.
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Charos or whatever the dudes name in Boston, he’s 6’8 or something, he offensive? And i’m just in shock a goaltender can block any of his shots
Chara is 6’9", and holds the official NHL record for hardest slap shot at 105mph. He’s more defensive-minded than offensive, but does rack up his fair share of points, probably due to that shot. He won the Norris Trophy last season as the best overall defenseman.
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At 6’9 he better win something, jeeze, that’s unreal. You’re like a friggin encyclopedia of knowledge with the NHL… Only been to one NHL game… but like 10 Miami Ohio hockey games
Ehh, I have a mind for useless trivia, which helps. I also watch way too much hockey (at least one game per day), which isn’t healthy but does give me more info, lol
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I care about Woof. I care lots.
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Found Woof’s tail.
And you know what else? I found out that the image was doctored and Waldo was removed. Not cool. I’ve spent a good 30 minutes on this.
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Wait. Where’s Waldo has characters?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
There was a TV show too.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I will be seeing Alvin and the Chipmunks sometime in the next week. There I said it.
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Yep
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I grew up with the animated stuff. And I was very skeptical of the original movie. Then I saw it and liked it a lot more then I should have.
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Ahem
It’s called a squeakquel, okay? Get it right, man.
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by scout6 on Dec 22, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So you deny being a man then?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 22, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the clarification.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 22, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
I never said you were mine
And I find it very telling that you would read into my comment like that.
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Sometimes when I’m enjoying Kelly Clarkson on the radio alone in my car I’ll say out loud “what an awful song” just in case aliens are watching and judging me.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 22, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
I do this with most songs, even though I am enjoying listening to them, I listen to the lyrics and think how stupid they actually are.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
OT: Wow, i can’t believe we’re coming to an end of another decade… reading up on the chronicle to see what events occurred over the last 10 years, and it’s been just plain scary…. starting with Y2K, and ending with swine flu
Yeah it is pretty crazy. Shame we will all be dead in 3 more years.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
While holding a boom box.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Good thing i didn’t see that movie, looks so dumb… maybe there’s nothing left in the mayan calendar because they couldn’t think of anything else, or they just said “DON’T CARE NO MORE LET’S DO SOMETHING ELSE”
there is no way I would pay anything to see 2012. I am pretty sure I would demand reparations or payment just to watch it.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Haha, yea for sure, but one movie i do want to see is the unrated version of “The Hangover” and “Youth In Revolt” YEA BADASS MICHAEL CERA
I would like to see both of those as well. Probably won’t see Youth in Revolt in the theater though. Probably wait till it hits dvd.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
I totally agree, I’m just a big fan of Michael Cera, he’s got that awkwardness…. By the way, my girlfriends response to me, OMG OMG OMG HARRY POTTER IS COMING OUT NEXT YEAR OMG OMG OMG, IS THERE ANYMORE TWILIGHT???
Harry Potter = good.
Twilight = KILL IT WITH FIRE!
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
Only reason girls like twilight is because EVERY DAMN LITTLE GIRL THINKS THEY RELATE TO BELLA SO DAMN WELL, and they’ll be paid attention to by a sexy vampire
I’d just like to state that, as a girl, I think Twilight is horribly written, and encourages girls to think that unhealthy behavior like stalking is just a sign of true love.
But Harry Potter is awesome.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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Fools and Sages
by mymclife on Dec 22, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
perfect description, this is why so many girls LOVE it it’s because of the attention Bella gets from a stranger…. Notice how i guess in the book they totally describe the vampires but NEVER describe what bella looks like… Hence why i’m pretty sure why my girlfriend loves the damn book
The book pretty much gives the most generic description of a girl possible, allowing girls to insert themselves in the book. Meanwhile, Edward is described with excruciating detail, so girls can imagine exactly who they’re lusting over.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Exactly!!!! and hence when the movie comes out, EVERYONE wants to see it… OH EDWARD!!! EDWARD!!!!! YOU ARE SO HAWT!!!! EDWARD!!! KISS MEEEEEEEE
To be fair, this past movie was more about Taylor Lautner and Taylor Lautner’s abs. His not-yet-legal abs, to be precise.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Nope.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 23, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
He’s 17, and my roommates have been counting down until he’s legal.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Some of my friends are doing that, too. It’s somewhat disturbing.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 23, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
How horrible!
Guys would never do that for a lady celebrity!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
I seem to remember an Olsen twins counter a few years back…
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Why’d you stop? I want to know what the joke is.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Because it’s gross.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
Gross.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
I was telling people that I thought Twilight was a horribly written series and they just stared at me like I was an idiot. And then they went on to talk about how “awesome” Edward is.
These people are in their mid-20s.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 23, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, my girlfriend is 19, and was dumbfounded when i said that same thing… these girls at college alllllll flocked to see it, coupled with their facebook statuses going to see it
Yeah, I had to deal with a bombardment of Twilight-related facebook statuses and I wanted to defriend them all. And they’re STILL trying to convince me to read it. Yeah, not happening.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 23, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
LOL. That would work if I were a dude.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 23, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions
I started reading it, decided that I’ve read better fanfiction, and stopped.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
It’s sad that there’s fanfiction is better than it.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 23, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
Granted, there’s not much that I’ve read, but still some.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Too much reading in college, IMO. Well, too much non-recreational reading.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
I guess it depends on what you do… girlfriends the same way, always reads, has a blog, writes on that everyday… so she’s inside alot… i’m more with friends, at the frat house, uptown, playing sports… something, and one thing im definitely doing is learning how to ice skate next semester for 2 credit hours
I took a class this semester that had 200-300 pages of required reading every week. That sucked.
And I love those 2 credit classes. Took one this past semester called “Sports and Legal Issues,” where we pretty much just talked about sports the whole two hours. Taking a web design course next semester.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Jeeze, that’s a hell of alot of reading for just one class…
That’s pretty sweet, a web design course… something extremely helpful in todays world, especially when trying to get a job
Yeah, plus I’ve been doing web stuff for about 10 years now, so I’m hoping it’s just an easy A.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Yeah, I tried to pick easy classes this semester, especially after last semester’s epic fail of Intro to Cinema, which somehow transformed from an easy A to the hardest, most frustrating class I’ve ever taken.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
yea, shit happens like that, you think it’s gonna be easy but then later in the semester stuff falls apart. What’s worse is that they sometimes happen with classes you don’t even need, but are just using them to get you credits
Seriously. The one good thing was that I got to watch a few good movies. Oh, and I discovered that I didn’t want to major in anything related with cinema. That helped.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Ha, that’s like me saying i dont want to major in journalism thanks to a journalism 101 class i took this last semester… no more writing please
Haha, nice. It was more of the professor being an egotistical douche bag more than anything, and since he teaches a lot of the classes at the cinema school, you kind of have to like him or you’re screwed.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
well fuck that noise, hate professors like that, i’ve had maybe one of em, and boy did i have to suck up to him
Seriously. I hope I never have another one of those professors again. He gave basically a 10 minute Oscar acceptance speech at the end of the final class, it was so horrible.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
I can relate. Too much college stuff has been taking up my time. I can’t read for fun anymore.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 23, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
Only wear an odd number of condoms.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I’m already so deep in that you can’t even see me anymore.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I know what they say. They’re all liars, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Only works with prime numbers.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 23, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
NOOOO! Don’t do that. It makes the condoms less effective.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Just science.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Also: definitely use butter as lube.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
(BTW: NEVER lube a condom with an oil-based lube like butter)
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
You’ve confounded me.
... null, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane, empty of meaning and effect for all time
Organic solvents degrade latex. It’s a bummer.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Yeah, try blowing up a condom like a balloon, rubbing some butter on it, and then rubbing that spot vigorously with your finger for about a minute.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 24, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Hint: It pops.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 24, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the insight into your personal life, Howie!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 24, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
That’s how you have sex, right? I was told it involved condom balloons, butter, and vigorous rubbing. Then I just put one and one and one together.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 24, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Was this on Beakman’s World?
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 24, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
My AP Lit teacher senior year in high school was obsessed with Twilight, calling it one of her favorite books. My opinion of her dropped, despite it being extremely low already for various other reasons.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
NEEDS MOAR GREEN
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
New Moon is pissing me off
I want to hate everything about twilight but that soundtrack is damn good
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
slow life is great
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah it is
I was gonna buy the album but then I decided I couldn’t deal with the shame
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
That just describes half my friends.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Swine flu is an overblown, media-driven frenzy over nothing.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Interestingly enough, so was Y2K.
Though H1N1 does have some legitimate high risk groups. For the rest of us, it’s just the flu. Drink lots of water and don’t get pneumonia!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
True, but getting the shot makes it even less likely that a high-risk person gets infected. That was my reasoning, at least.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
The high-risk groups for H1N1 are basically the same as for the regular, seasonal influenza. Yes, it’s super contagious and spreads like wild-fire. However, the mortality rate is the same as for seasonal flu and the hospitalization rate is only slightly higher. The arguments for getting the H1N1 shot are the exact same as for getting the seasonal flu vaccine. Unfortunately, the government so massively over-produced H1N1 vaccine that they now can’t give the stuff away and forced huge under-production of this year’s seasonal flu vaccine. Also, the H1N1 vaccine was a month or two late in most places (don’t know about the Bay Area), so it was mostly ineffective.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Very true. I did get BOTH vaccines based on my previously stated logic.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Which is perfectly reasonable and I have no problem with that.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Duanel Jones!
Kinda similar
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 23, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
Is that guy even real?
One person said we signed him and no one has said a word about him since.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
OT
If you have NFL Network, be sure to check it out on Thursday at 5 PM or 10 PM. They will replaying the 1981 NFC Championship game aka the Catch. It appears this will be the entire game as it’s a 3 hour program. If anyone does watch it, you may be surprised at the play by play voice of the game.
"meh"
already got it set on tivo
Now I just gotta figure out a way to put it on my computer so I can watch it anytime.
Yeah I've seen it before
it’s hilarious. I won’t spoil it for anyone who’s gonna watch, but it’s not who you’d expect to be calling a San Francisco sporting event.
(It’s Tommy LaSSorda)
(no it isn’t)
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
oh yeah
I remember now. Good times.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
man that would just depress me
it would be like reading love letters from a girlfriend who left you 10 years ago
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
Why did SB Nation just “Hit the showers”?
And what the hell does that entail?
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 23, 2009 2:20 AM PST reply actions
Looks like the Braves are going to sign Troy Glaus so that’s another reasonable 1B option that’s off the market.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
It’ll be interesting to see what he gets. It seems that Sabean sees one year of a guy like Glaus at $3 million plus incentives as a risk, but he doesn’t see five years of Rowand at $12 million per as a risk. It’s one of the most exasperating traits of an exasperating GM. Pretty sad that it hurts the team more when Sabean’s signings play than it would if they got injured!
A guy with pop coming off injury and willing to sign an incentive-laden contract would be a perfect signing this year. Delgado would be another option.
Looks like $2 million plus incentives. I definitely would’ve done this assuming the incentives weren’t too crazy. Apparently the Mets aren’t too interested in Delgado, either, but I have no idea what kind of contract he’d be getting this year…
OT: Some Professors out there are just incredible…. i get a 41% on the final, a 61% on the first exam and a 62% on the second…. End up with a C-….. and the best GPA i’ve had since Freshman year…. just wow,
Bell Curve FTW!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
PiKAgiant makes it to all the parties and attends class in his spare time.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 23, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I like my classes like I like my women
Easy and with nice curves.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Dec 23, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
I like my classes like I like my women
Hard, and way too long.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like my glasses like I like my women.
Empty and cheap.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 23, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Funny you should say that.
Because I like my glasses like I like my women: prescription only.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 23, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions