A Case for Laroche
by Franchise55 on Dec 21, 2009 1:33 PM PST
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Ok... Nick Johnson is gone and the list of available free agents is shrinking by the day. I am sure we are all aware of the team needs but for the sake of this fanpost lets recap -
1) Offense
Ok great.
I think that we are also in agreement that we would perfer a 1B so that Sandoval can stay at 3B and maintain his value in that spot. So with all that said let me present a case for Mr. Adam Laroche.
Let me start off by saying that I am not thrilled by the idea of Laroche but then again I am not thrilled by the idea of any of the FA on the market.
So why Laroche?
Well -
He plays a position of need
He is a solid defender
He is a +15 run producer at the plate which would make him an easy second on the team behind Pablo at +34.9
He satisfies the Dingerz gland. Which is marketable, exciting, and provides protection for Sandoval.
He is younger than Johnson and doesnt have a history of injury.
He unlike Zito is trending in the right direction. 2009 saw the best BB%, OBP, and second best OPS and wOBA of his career. His BABIP was slightly elevated but nothing abnormally high.
His contract demands have softend from 3 and 25 to 3 and 18 which as a 2.4 WAR player is a pretty good value.
His power seems legit as Hittracker has only 2 of his 25 HR listed as Lucky while 19 of the 25 are listed as Plenty or No Doubters.
Is a type B FA so he wont cost us a pick.
Could provide some return value in a trade whereas our current players obviously arent very desirable. (other than pitchers of course)
That seems to be about it. Although there may be more but I am too lazy to look it up. I know that there are also red flags but I would rather the Giants go out and make mistakes trying to get better than to sit back and expect different results with the same team. I only wish that they would be wililng to admit certain mistakes and cut ties with players that are dragging us down.
Thoughts?
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me as well
I’d probably be ok with 3/18
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I think 3/18 is too much
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 21, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think I’d want to go to 3 years, but 2 years at 6-8 mil per year would be fine.
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i'd rather go
3/18 than 2/16. It’s only 2M more overall, and if he performs well, it’s a bargain.
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I lean the otehr way. I realy don’t think LaRoche would wow us inside the 2 seasons. In thta case I want the team already in the mind set that they needs to be an upgrade. They sign him for 3 years and the mind set in the front office is First doesnot suck green donkey balls errgo first is fine.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 21, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
This
Though if this team signs LaRoche after non-tendering Garko, I will be forced to hurt someone in the Giants FO. But I’d rather have Ishikawa anyway; he’s cheaper, he’s got some pretty good upside, and I liked his development last year.
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"I'm not a power hitter."
You’re not a contact hitter either Travis. I was hoping this whole god thing was gonna work out for him last year. I guess he doesn’t really choose favorites?
I would rather have Delgado a
Delgado is a great hitter, and he fills the power need. He could hit probably 25+ dingers for the Giants. He draws a lot of walks, he hits high slugging and obp. His average isn’t (as Charles Barkely would say) TURRIBLE. He hits 265 or better.
Also Guys if you want the next best thing to Nick Johnson why not Felipe Lopez. Why have there been no postes about this Guy. He gets on base hits high average, gets tons of hits, gets lots of abs , hits high slugging percentage. Check him out he would be a great fit. The Giants offense would greatly improve if they signed both Felipe Lopez and Carlos Delgado.
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I would much rather have Lopez than have Uggla
you wouldn’t have to give up Sanchez and he is a better hitter
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Felipe Lopez
Had a career year buoyed by a .360 BABIP. Probably is really a ~2 WAR player, which is nice, but wouldn’t be enough to cover the move of Pablo to first (FSanch to third)
I’d like Delgado on a short, not super expensive deal (probably between $5-7mil)
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 22, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah sign Felipe to a 3/18-20 and Delgado 1/6 mil
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I’m actually all for LaRoche at this point, assuming his price comes down significantly. He’s been about a 2.5 win player for most of his career and he’s not very old.
No way do I want to give him 3/30 or whatever he’s asking for but something like 2/16 could be a good deal for the Giants.
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I'd be okay with 3/18.
Frankly, that’s a much better idea than trading a top 10 system prospect for Uggla or any useful 25 man roster pieces for Uggla.
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agree
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agreed
I’m not sure what it is about LaRoche that seems to make him so underrated. I mean, you look at his career record and he’s an above average, though not elite first baseman. But to hear people talk about him, you would think he was a horrible player.
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He has played in tiny markets
or at least, not in a Boston or New York
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
He played in Boston for 6 days!!
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EAST COAST BIAS
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
You need to play for a week
to get the east coast bump
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
Maybe it’s similar to Randy Winn-itis. He is decent at a bunch of things, but not horrible or awesome at anything.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
He is a solid fantasy backup
And would be preferred over Ishikawa at this point. No reason we shouldn’t get him for two or three years.
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With everybody else
fine at the right price
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
Do you think he would like this one?
No more then 2 years.
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by scout6 on Dec 21, 2009 2:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sign Laroche, 2/18 or so, then trade ishi (won’t need him, laroche is lefty and plays good D) and maybe Sosa, Noonan, or Tanner for either Uggla or Swisher, put either one in left and we have an offense. Offseason done (unless there is a good deal on a ben sheets, or bedard or something just before spring training).
Swish is a switch-hitter, no?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 21, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Also, Swisher can pitch and Uggla can’t
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by lincecuminyourface on Dec 21, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
What would it take to get him? I’d think a package of prospects would be worthless to the Yankees, right?
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I would think that FLew could have some appeal to the Yankees. Obviously not enough to net us Swisher, but as part of a deal I would think so.
Thing A
If Fred has any appeal for the Yankees
they will just sign him once the Giants cut him to make room on the roster for PODS.
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by natteringnabob on Dec 22, 2009 5:41 AM PST up reply actions
Too bad Sabean would never think of this.
It’s not that far off of what he seems to be trying to do, but I’m sure he’s too stuck on other players to get LaRoche on his radar.
"…this thing which tells time."
I believe we have tendered him a contract offer. At least, that’s what I read.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Dec 21, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Well that might be good news
unless it’s for 5/60. The last average or slightly above average player he signed got that type of deal.
"…this thing which tells time."
I like LaRoche, but..
I was pretty hot on LaRoche earlier in the offseason, and for the reasons stated above (at the price/years) I would be still very happy with him on the team. However, my only concern is that ATT will do to LaRoche’s power numbers what it did to JT Snows. They are kind of similar hitters in that way. The line drives from a lefty may go from homers, to doubles (at best). Still, if he can do that consistently with runners on, he would be a solid upgrade offensively and at a position that needs to be filled.
Doubles are better than GIDP or K
Homers for lefties are hard to come by at Large Phone Company Park, but he can still be a solid hitter.
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Can’t verify myself, but along with the aforementioned low “cheapies” stats it was reported by a scout (can’t recall the article, I think Baggs during the winter meetings) that he would have no problem “getting them out of [AT&T Park]”. I’m more concerned about his LHP splits, but then again, might be cool to let Guzman cut his teeth and see what he’s got with the odd lefty assignment.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 21, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
DaDouche
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Dec 21, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
well
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by natteringnabob on Dec 21, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
If you change your mind, I’ll take you to the most duck-filled pond you ever sat by!
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A case of what ?
I can’t believe no one went there yet (except for scout, sort of )
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2/16 is the only way to go
He wants 3/30, nobody will give him that so I’m sure he’ll settle for 3/24 but I still doubt anybody will give him that.
2/16 and the Panda hitting behind you? Take that deal LaRoche!
Win the inning.
As someone up above said, 3/18 is clearly better. I mean, our first baseman of the future is … uh … Tommy Joseph? I don’t think we have to worry about blocking anyone.
Nah
Sabes is going to sign Pujols next year.
by Into the Void on Dec 21, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Wrong!
He’s signing Mauer and moving him to 1st.
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by AngelWillSaveUs on Dec 21, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
too hard to choose
sign both and let them battle it out in spring training. CONTROVERSY!
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by natteringnabob on Dec 21, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Will Pablo stay at 3rd for 3 years?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 21, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
probably
he is only 22.
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This is where I’m at. I’d prefer not to give a player an extra unnecessarily, but if it takes that third year to get him under contract, I’m fine with that. There’s no first base talent in the upper minors that would be blocked and he is a player who could be traded at some point in the future. As long as we’re not talking about more than 3 years or $20mil, bring him aboard.
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One question though is are there going to be any other first basemen on the market in the next few years that might make us regret giving 3 years to Laroche?
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1B FAs after the 2010 and 2011 seasons
You know, I hadn’t thought about that too much. Quick research:
Joe Mauer: FA after the ‘10 season. May move to 1B to extend his career.
Adrian Gonzalez: FA after the ’11 season (club option for ’11 will get picked up). May get traded and signed to an extension.
Carlos Pena: FA after ’10.
Lance Berkman: has a $15mil club option for 2011. Will be old.
Lyle Overbay: FA after ’10.
Prince Fielder: don’t know Prince’s arb status, but his contract runs through the end of this season.
Albert Pujols: has a $16mil club optino for 2011 that will almost certainly be picked up. Not likely to see FA in any case.
Derrek Lee: FA after ’10. Do not want.
Ryan Howard: FA after ’11. Not likely to see FA.
Carlos Guillen: FA after ’11. Do not want.
Paul Konerko: FA after ’10. Do not want.
So that’s the list. There are certainly some intriguing names on there, but I don’t expect Pujols, Gonzalez, or Howard to see free agency. If Mauer does leave Minnesota, he’ll likely end up in Boston or the Bronx. So that leaves Fielder (arb status?), Pena, Overbay, and Berkman as possible, desirable options. Fielder, Pena, and Overbay would all be FAs next winter and Berkman might be as well. That means that any multi-year contract the Giants give to a first-baseman would prevent the team from pursuing a possibly superior replacement. So the real issue is whether to even give a second year to a free agent signing.
Huge tip of the cap to Cot’s Baseball Contracts.
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Oh, and I forgot Nick Johnson, who will obviously be a free agent again come this time next year.
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I think you forgot a pitcher
Matt Cain
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by natteringnabob on Dec 21, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
this is why
I’m onboard with a trade for Overbay….hopefully followed by a Pena signing next offseason.
Thing A
I’d rather see Neal in the outfield. He’d have a greater defensive value and it’s not like there’s anyone out there blocking him.
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I wouldnt want to go 3 years
but I agree, LaRoche is the best option still on the market
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 21, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions
2 years and an option
That way we can see if Gillaspie has developed enough to be an everyday 3B and if he has we move on and move Panda to 1B-If not we keep him for another year and go from there.
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Scouts are saying that Gillaspie’s defense isn’t good enough for third and that he might be a second-baseman in the long run.
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Isn't usually the other way around
because 2B is tougher defensively than 3B, I thought.
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
yea thats what I thought
see Uggla, Dan. I havent really heard that it was an issue with Gillaspie’s arm
Thing A
I heard his range was kinda weak
but I didn’t think it was bad enough for him to have to move
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
If you can get over the fact that he doesn’t hit for the first two months of the season every year, then he could be a palatable 1B.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Dec 21, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions
At 3/18 I guess I’d take him, although I’d prefer something like 2/12. He’d be a solid but not great addition, but given that we have no better options we might as well. We could hold on to him this year and flip him next offseason if we want a better FA 1B.
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I’d rather them overpay for LaRoche and get some value rather than invest any money into Dye and get negative value.
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Agreed.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 21, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
That is when Posey is the starting SS, right?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 21, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he was the first ML player to have a homerun taken away on video replay, so he should fit right in with the Giants.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 21, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions
Hey-o!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Dec 21, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Imagine the "high"jinks!
Teammate: Hey Timmy, we got LaRoche!
Timmy: Cool! Let me get my “LaClip”
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I don’t get it.
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Any chance Guzman gets a roster spot in the spring?
by Into the Void on Dec 21, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Wow that seems random.
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Yeah i saw that, but still…random.
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I doubt it.
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Not really.
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
LOLOLOl
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 21, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
If the Giants sign LaRoche I’m going to punch someone in the face since LaRoche and Garko are basically the same player.
That was my first reaction, but LaRoche has been significantly more valuable over the last three years, according to Fangraphs.
Some of that is PT-related but:
LaRoche career wOBA: .353
Garko career wOBA: .347
LaRoche career UZR/150 1B: -4.8
Garko career UZR/150 1B: -4.6
Even if you want to make the case that Garko is a downslide in his career, LaRoche is probably only .5 wins better than Garko going forward. And he’s going to need a 2/3 year deal to sign. It just seems ridiculous to punt Garko and sign LaRoche. How much would the Giants really be improving their team? Seems like a huge lateral move to me.
I’m not sure why Garko projects better offensively than LaRoche…
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Looking at the actual numbers, it seems odd that LaRoche’s OBP is projected to be so low (.328) when he hasn’t been below .340 since 2005.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
doesn’t Chone project Ishikawa to be about in the same neighborhood anyway?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
"Seems like a huge lateral move to me."
What other “good” news do you expect from The Sabean? And make no mistake lateral moves are the good news when The Sabean is calling the shots. Or I guess we can hope for him to do what Z did in SEA with Langerhans ( non tendered him then re-signed to a lower rate) but I just can’t stretch my mind far eno9ugh to see Sabean doing that.
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That’s not entirely true.
Garko last three years
wOBA: .356, .333, .338
wRC+: 124, 105, 107
Fielding: -7.8, -5.2, 0.2
WAR: 3 in 1504 PA
LaRoche
wOBA: .346, .357, .357
wRC+: 111, 120, 120
Fielding: 6.3, -5.9, -0.5
WAR: 6.4 in 1815 PA
He’s got about a 300 PA advantage over Garko.
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They are pretty close as players, though. I’m fine with calling LaRoche better going forward, but how much better? .5 wins? I can’t see much separation between them. Careerwise, they are really, really close as players. If the Giants want to pay LaRoche 2-years, $20M (or whatever it’s going to cost them) to improve themselves by (at most) .5 wins per season then they’ve made a really poor decision.
LaRoche has been worth about 1 WAR per 600 PA over Garko the last three years, though I suppose with Garko you would have to take into account the fact that you probably would be more likely getting 450-500 PA of Garko and then 150-200 of Ishikawa, so I dunno.
I mean, I don’t really disagree with you re: Garko but that ship has just sailed. It was stupid and awful, but there’s not a whole lot we can do about it now.
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This is what’s more annoying:
Let’s call this player we are talking about LaGarko, since they are so similar. Wouldn’t it make more sense to have the right-handed LaGarko, considering we have Ishikawa sitting around? Having the left-handed LaGarko and Ishikawa on the same roster makes no sense, whereas there are platoon/defensive things you can do with the right-handed LaGarko.
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I thought the grougthink here
was he was terrible? Have the propellorheads recalibrated their statification machines? Or are we just now too resigned (not re-signed) to getting him or nothing?
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I think the consensus was that he wasn’t much of an upgrade over in-house options. Now with Garko gone, LaRoche looks a lot better than Ishi and… well Ishi. But not at the price he’s asking.
For first base options we’re down to LaRoche & Branyan. If you’re part of the crowd that wouldn’t mind shifting Pablo to first, at third we have Beltre & DeRosa (although Garko at first & Pablo at third still would have been better). For the gamblers we have Carlos Delgado & Troy Glaus.
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by ResDog on Dec 21, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LaRoche isn't a bad hitter
But he’s basically Ryan Garko with a little better defense, which is probably nullified as he’s a LHH at AT&T, while Garko is right-handed. So signing LaRoche for even something like 2/12 is kind of retarded when we could have had pretty much the same production from a younger player for less money with less commitment. It’s not that LaRoche is a bad option so much that a much better option, Garko, got non-tendered so a LaRoche signing is kind of weird.
And yeah, right now he’s probably the best infield upgrade from FA.
Freaking A
If the team signs LaRoche, all I’m going to think about is how Garko would’ve made a great platoon partner with him…. since, you know, LaRoche can’t really hit lefties
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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Garko would have cost 3M at most, less than half what a team should expect to pay an average full-time starter on the FA market.
That seems like the very definition of a correctly priced platoon player to me.
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Is it possible the Giants non-tendered Garko because they assumed they had the best offer on the table for Nick Johnson? Now that Johnson has turned down more money to play in NYY, is there a chance the Giants crawl back to Garko? Is there a chance Garko hasn’t had his feelings hurt too much to take the offer? Seem like Garko is the best value, but if he can’t be had, I wouldn’t mind a LaRoche signing. Definatly wouldn’t mind it at 6mm a year.
LaRoche for 3/18? I’d take that anyday. That’s cheap even for Sabean, I’d bet if he wanted to sign for that he’d already be a Giant.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 22, 2009 1:28 AM PST reply actions
Still guessing Blalock, PODS, and DeRosa. Scraps, lots of em.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 22, 2009 1:29 AM PST reply actions
some of our guys have significant value
Because! their contracts are still cheap!
what are we even doing this offseason
i realize the giants usually wait until either the day before/the day of/the day after christmas to make any moves but what moves are there even to make right now? lord knows bay and holliday arent coming here, we couldnt afford them even if they wanted to be here. were weak in the outfield, need a big bat, and need a solid 1B, preferably also a big bat. not to mention someone thats not like 35 playing short. i like laroche but something about signing him makes me a little weary. hairston would be okay but hes not the huge bat we need. i say no to podsednik and if blalock is slowly but surely decling like everyone says we dont need him and that situation either.
by nhlogan on Dec 23, 2009 8:43 AM PST reply actions
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