SF Giants Outfielders
by wilriv21 on Dec 20, 2009 5:46 AM PST
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Where have all the outfielders gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the outfielders gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the outfielders gone?
Bad soldiers every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Currently on the 25-man roster:
John Bowker
Fred Lewis
Aaron Rowand
Nate Schierholtz
Andres Torres
Eugenio Velez
When will they ever learn?
RHH: Rowand
LHH: Bowker, Lewis, Schierholtz
SH: Torres. Velez
LF: ALL
CF: Rowand, Torres, Velez
RF: Rowand, Schierholtz, Torres, Velez
There are no outfielders from AAA Fresno who can come to the rescue. Do not depend on any
Flying Squirrels. And the Giants have prioritized a search for a corner infielder?
According to Peter Gammons the Giants would offer Jason Bay a 5yr deal however Bay does not
want to play in SF pure and simple. Other FA outfielders available:
Rick Ankiel
Marlon Byrd - rumor to be a Cub
Ryan Church
Coco Crisp - to A's ?
Jack Cust
Johnny Damon
Mark DeRosa
Jermaine Dye
Jonny Gomes
Matt Holliday
Xavier Nady
Scott Podsednik
Jeremy Reed
Marcus Thames
Bad soldiers every one?
Any one of these outfielders worth the monies? If Sabean offered Bay 5yrs why wouldn't he
offer Holliday 5yrs?
Ankiel on an inexpensive bargain bin deal?
Damon on a Renteria deal?
DeRosa on a 2yr deal?
Dye on a hometown discount?
Now batting leadoff for YOUR SF Giants Scott Podsednik?
Where have all the outfielders gone?
Long time passing
For Christmas me wants an outfielder. And a pony. And a rocketship.
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A’s are going to give Coco Crisp 5 million for 2010. Remember when Billy Beane was considered the best GM in the game?
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Dec 20, 2009 6:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
With the defense of Crisp in CF and Davis in RF the A’s could afford to play me in LF.
by wilriv21 on Dec 20, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but they’ve already got Sweeney, who’s a pretty good defender too. And nearly free.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Dec 20, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My choice of afford was not a matter of finances but rather how proficient both Crisp and Davis are defensively.
by wilriv21 on Dec 20, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Davis had a good year with the bat in 2009, but he’s going to have to prove it wasn’t a fluke. You’re whining about the quality of the Giants’ outfielders, but this is the same group that Davis couldn’t crack last year.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Dec 20, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yea the guy who put up a .360 OBP with 41 steals and very solid CF defense “couldn’t crack” our rotation………… somehow that doesn’t seem like a very fair assessment.
Thing A
by sam23 on Dec 20, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, the same guy who started the season 1 for 25 with the Giants two seasons ago and looked hopelessly overmatched at the plate and a waste of a roster spot.
by crazedcrustacean on Dec 20, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Garko put up generally good numbers, but had one bad stretch, so we should get rid of him. Wait, who were we talking about again?
by quincy0191 on Dec 20, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
key words
“1-25”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 20, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it was actually 1-18.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Dec 20, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a good soldier, obviously.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Dec 20, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Posey gets 1 more AB before he's DFA'd?
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
by Gobroks on Dec 20, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know
This is a prime example of why we shouldn’t take too much stock into a small smattering of plate appearances. Especially at the beginning of the season (and Davis was cut during spring training, if I remember correctly)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Dec 21, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
POSEY HAD HIS CHANCE!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 21, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rajai was cut after like 16 AB
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
by MadBum on Dec 21, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
after he put up .282/.363/.380 in 162 Giant PA’s the year before.
Not great, but not so little that you think the 19 PA’s are everything.
Sabean moves in mysterious ways.
by microwave donut on Dec 21, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and I’m telling you that Sweeney is a very good defender as well.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Dec 20, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
feliz and atkins signed for amounts
Giants are interested in podsednik who will get just as much from some team
by MagicMike23 on Dec 20, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've come down a little on Holliday
Obviously, Holliday would be a great addition in LF, but as Grant said, he’s not exactly a once-in-a-decade player for whom you break the bank. He’s the only one without flaws, but I think he’ll get more than he’s worth.
Of the rest, I’m most comfortable with Damon for 2 years since he’d add offense and not be a drag for future generations.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Dec 20, 2009 7:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I mean, Boras wants 8yrs/130M. Holliday is not worth that. If the price was 5yrs for 75M-80M, I would sign that in blood.
As for the rest, I’m with you: Damon is the only I’d consider signing.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Dec 20, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll consider Damon only if he grows his beard again.
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by can of corn on Dec 20, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, obviously.
That’s one thing this team lacks: some serious facial on the part of the players. A good mustache would go a long way towards securing a playoff berth.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Dec 20, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s one thing this team lacks: some serious facial on the part of the players
That’s what someone said!
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Dec 20, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damon looks like a neandertal
by microwave donut on Dec 21, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you forgotten the lesson of Matt Morris, sir?
I want a different look. Mustache or bust.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Dec 20, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody around here must be proficient with Photoshop….
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
by Lyle on Dec 21, 2009 2:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Damon has an awful beard.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 21, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Damon is an awful beard
/ARod
Proud father of Barry Bonds.
by Sabertooth on Dec 21, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he is.
If Teixeira is getting 180M, then Holliday’s a good value at 130M, and it doesn’t look he’s going to get even that.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Dec 20, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not the per-year that I’m worried about; it’s the number of years. I don’t want to give any player an eight year contract. If you check my numbers, the annual salaries are actually higher for the shorter contract because I would definitely pay more per year to shorten the length of the contract.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Dec 20, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a once in a decade player
But, from the look of things, he is at a once in a decade price. Which is arguably more important.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Dec 20, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of expect free-agent prices to keep dropping for years.
by Evan on Dec 20, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alot of people expected that the last time the FA market collapsed.
A couple years later, Zito.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Dec 20, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Reed, Dirtbag. Sign him up
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 20, 2009 7:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
what are they doing with Fred? If he’s so horrible that Bork will never play him, free him into the wilds. He’s not much for pinchrunning, especially when there will be at least half of a vroom on the bench every game anyway.
I’d rather see him actually play, mind you, but since that seems about as likely as Santa Claus bringing some tasty ribeyes to the lineup. At least DFA him so the A’s or Padres can pick him up and I can see him play occasionally- I’d really be sad to see him as Fresno’s MVP next year.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2009 8:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Giants’ should DFA Fred so that he can go someplace and get a chance? Is that Sabean’s job, to be a humanitarian? If so many posters around here think that Freddie Lewis can be a good productive player in the major leagues, you would think that just one GM out there has to agree with you, and it’s Sabean’s job to find that GM and get something of value for him if he has no plans of his own for Freddie.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Dec 20, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He should DFA him sorta like he did Davis the previous year
by wilriv21 on Dec 20, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And we all know how well that turned out for the Giants. It’s better for the player and highlights the ignorance of Sabes and the “Skull”
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
by nvsfg on Dec 20, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s amazing how much I’d prefer Ankiel to Dye, but I would.
by Grant on Dec 20, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
let bowker play
please… let the man play.
by giantdonkey on Dec 20, 2009 9:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yes
this so, much
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Dec 20, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The McC Wants
Fred & Bowker.
The McC will get
Podsednik & Dye
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
by Gobroks on Dec 20, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With Velez & Torres first off the bench.
"It's too late now."
by ResDog on Dec 21, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The joke is that Torres and Velez will get more ABs than Bowker this year. Which is why Bochy should not be allowed to evaluate players.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Dec 23, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and which of these played winter ball so management could get a look at them?
Bowker for about a week. Velez and Nate S in the Dominican I think, that’s all.
If they could DFA or dump Rowand, then the Torres/Velez platoon in center would at least seem major league.
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Dec 20, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think it was one game for Bowker before he got hurt and went home. Nate is in the Puerto Rican league, I believe. I don’t think Bowker helped himself with management by taking the winter off. Even a big spring won’t help him if the Giants’ sign a high priced outfielder this off season.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Dec 20, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he looked at Torres’ and Velez’s winter league stats and decided he didn’t have to play winter ball.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Dec 23, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nady
I’ve slowly come around to the idea of Xavier Nady. I mean, if we’re not going to really upgrade the offense (because of trade demands or lack of money or whatever), then I’m willing to consider short-term solutions, however modest.
Nady’s Bill James projection is around .285/.340/.470. Sure beats Eugenio Velez. And if Nady isn’t good enough to play everyday, then at least he’s right-handed and a good complement to all the lefties.
He’s bound to be cheap, right?
by Dan from NM on Dec 20, 2009 10:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing. An outfield of Bowker/Torres in left, Rowand in center, and Nady in right, with Schierholtz getting time in both center and right, would be fine with me.
by Evan on Dec 20, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't realize this...
from wikipedia:
“On April 14, 2009, Nady suffered a right-elbow injury which ultimately required a second Tommy John surgery, despite an initial attempt to rehab the injury. The surgery will sideline him for an extended period of time, and is possibly career threatening, as the success rates for multiple elbow ligament replacement surgeries is lower.”
by Into the Void on Dec 20, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
right
that’s the only reason Swisher got on the field at all last season… Nady was supposed to be the everyday RF
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 20, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never been completely opposed to Nady
But the injury risk is pretty big, and he should be cheap, but I seriously doubt he puts up an .800 OPS. If we can get him on a minor-league deal, or for a million or so, by all means pick him up, but…I don’t know.
by quincy0191 on Dec 20, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
only on a cheap, incentive-heavy one year deal.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 20, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i can’t believe we’re seriously considering xavier nady. this offseason sucks
by sfoakbay on Dec 20, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do not want.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Dec 20, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Sabean can get him on a cheap, 1-year deal
Then platoon him with Fred damnit
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Dec 20, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I really, really, really like Ryan Church. He plays good defense and knows how to take a walk. He has had troubles with injuries recently but the Giants wouldn’t have to play him everyday. The best part about Church is that he will be incredibly cheap.
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 20, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
by nvsfg on Dec 20, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
34 comments is like a bathroom break now.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Dec 20, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
meh
another lefty with kinda bad splits vs. lefties isn’t exactly what the team needs. Then again, nothing left on the FA market is exactly what the team needs. I wouldn’t be all that upset with a Church signing, but I’d just as soon have Fred and/or Bowker play.
Thing A
by sam23 on Dec 20, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Posey for LF!
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 20, 2009 2:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
POSEY FOR 9ERS QB!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 20, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s some funky formatting.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Dec 20, 2009 3:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
It seems no matter what I tried it remained the same. You have my approval to edit the fanpost so it can be “normalized”.
by wilriv21 on Dec 20, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, it’s still readable. It’s kinda cool actually.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Dec 20, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/Copies wilrivs style
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
Official McPokeMaster
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 20, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Damon
The only logical choice, at 2/$20M.
That’s sad. Maybe we should just let Bowker play.
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by RDreamer on Dec 20, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was not expecting to read “Johnny Damon” “logical” and “2/20M” all together this offseason.
Thing A
by sam23 on Dec 20, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowker
No dice.
Unless Big Head has a stereotypical leadoff hitter its Velez. For me this is Damon’s greatest asset, he displaces Velez more than any other potential FA outfielder.
by ktice on Dec 20, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Arms, too short.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Dec 20, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you don’t think Damon starts the year hitting 3rd?
Thing A
by sam23 on Dec 21, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a leadoff hitter.
ROLES!!!!
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Dec 21, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SIGH
Just sign Johnny Jesus for LF plus leadoff to keep Velez off the bench (or off the team if possible), let Bowker/Torres/Schierholtz battle for right then re-sign Uribe. Add DeOLDsa for his utilityness and okay bat to play 1B, call it a winter while having Brinks start delivering dimebags of money to Timmy’s house.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Dec 20, 2009 8:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’d be down to see what it would take to get Swisher. Probably moreso to play first, but he can play all over. Similar player and cost in money to uggla, but more vetsitile and could come cheaper.
by mocal on Dec 20, 2009 11:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It would be worth it to see what his and Pablos handshake would look like.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 21, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Now that the Yanks signed Little Nicky Johnson and allowed Johnny Damon to walk I wonder if Swish is available. Other outfielders in trade could be De Jesus, Doumit, Rivera etc
by wilriv21 on Dec 21, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah ive always liked dejesus too, wonder what they woud want
by mocal on Dec 21, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like a Swisher.
Then again I wanted the Giants to go after him last year.
Check this out from January. LOL US
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
by scout6 on Dec 21, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how dare you make fun of the greatest country in the world!
by sfoakbay on Dec 21, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this.
I’m in favor of a Swisher aquisition
by microwave donut on Dec 21, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What if we just stay with the status quo for now? Rowand in center will be his average-ish self. The Eugenio Velez Experiment will probably be short-lived. That won’t be good, but I think the Braintrust will have to let it play out until May and they are convinced Velez’s hot streak was an aberration, and then they will maybe look in another direction. That leaves Bowker, Lewis, and Nate. Based on the options available, the best choice may be to cross our fingers and hope one of these guys finally puts it together at the ML level. Is anyone available much more attractive, considering the cost?
/Andres Torres punches me in the face as a reminder that he was our best outfielder last season.
Sometimes, there's a man...well, he's the man for his time and place.
by I'm_a_Man on Dec 21, 2009 3:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do not see how the Giants will carry all 3 LHH – Bowker/Lewis/Schierholtz – on the 25-man roster in 2010. At least one will not make it out of ST
by wilriv21 on Dec 21, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re probably right. I would keep Bowker and Scheirholtz. You?
Sometimes, there's a man...well, he's the man for his time and place.
by I'm_a_Man on Dec 21, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Bowker and am expecting big things from the kid. Would choose Schierholtz over Lewis. Would prefer the Giants to get another RHH outfielder.
by wilriv21 on Dec 21, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You like Bowker? You?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Dec 21, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah,
this would be outfielder rosterbation fanpost #28
by Merope on Dec 21, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jonny Gomes might be a worthwhile addition
Relatively cheap, right side of 30, San Francisco native, and has plenty of power. Unfortunately, he seems to be an absolute butcher in the Outfield. Probably not deserving of an everyday spot, but we all know the Giants could use one HR threat besides Pablo
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