McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List #4
by marcello on Dec 2, 2009 11:01 AM PST
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Ok, so Thomas Neal wins in dominating fasion. Here is our list so far:
- Buster Posey
- Madison Bumgarner
- Thomas Neal
For #4, we have the following options:
Tommy Joseph
Zack Wheeler
Hector Sanchez was removed by popular (enough) demand. Each player should have a link to Baseball Cube in their first name and a link to First Inning in their last name. Joseph and Wheeler don't because they have no college or professional experience. The poll will close Friday at noon, unless it's another beat down, then it will be Thursday at noon.
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PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT WITH PEOPLE YOU THINK SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE NEXT POLL
If a name is already suggested, please rec the comment to add your vote for that player.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 2, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Part of me thinks that if Angel gets back to baseball he might be reinvigorated and extremely focused on succeeding.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
looking on the bright side
And maybe he lost weight eating jail food…
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Rec'd
Though I don’t plan on voting for him anytime soon.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
LIES!
At least the rec part. You recced my comment, not Evan’s.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
You mean Angel “Charges Dropped by Family but not the Prosecutor and Visa Revoked” Villalona?
In Panda We Trust
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/11/22/1169520/a-10-minute-news-segment-from-a-dr#comments
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT WITH PEOPLE YOU THINK SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE NEXT POLL
If a name is already suggested, please rec the comment to add your vote for that player.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Ehire. He has no votes (at this point) and, to me anyway, is an inferior prospect when compared to Crawford, whose top-10 status is questionable.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Dec 2, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I still have Adrianza ahead of Crawford, but honestly I can’t see more than an eyelash of difference between them. Adrianza failed to hit at low A; Crawford, two and a half years older, failed to hit at AA. What’s the diff?
Crawford at least had that stint at San Jose where he hit well. Ehire has never hit at any level (8 PA at AAA last year don’t count!). Crawford has about 100 points of SLG on Ehire.
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And I do wonder if promoting Crawford last year was a mistake. We’ll see if he adjusts to AA next year, I guess.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
According the SJ Giants website, if Crawford performs well in spring training he might go to Fresno.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Well, I’m not against this if Crawford performs well enough to replace Renteria. (I know, I know…wishful thinking.)
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
I hate this organization.
Also, I’m reminded of one time early in the season when Bochy mentioned they were thinking of fast tracking Villalona. LOL them.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Goddamnit.
Brian Sabean, enemy of hitting prospects everywhere, strikes again.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Brian Sabean, enemy of hitting prospects everywhere, strikes out again.
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Context on how little power Adrianza has
In their respective seasons at August:
Adrianza: .327 SLG
Burriss: .381
Granted, it’s not a fair comparison – Burriss was two and a half years older. But still…
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
It’s not uncommon for 19 year olds to have no power, though. His line drive rates are decent; he’s not just dinking the ball into the ground every time like Burriss.
I guess. But I find it easier to believe that Crawford can cut down the strike out rate than that Adrianza can ever hit for any power. I have no reason for thinking this – call it a gut feeling.
They’re both flawed prospects, obviously.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I’d say historically 19 year olds increase power production much more frequently then 22 year olds with significant contact issues resolve them however.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Yes
This, exactly. Also, I fear that jcb9’s gut is too close to his other anatomical area which produces most of Goofus’ opinions.
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
I'm curious, though
Can you think of anyone comprable to Adrianza – a 20 year old with as much minor league experience as he has – with a SLG as low as .313 who went on to be a successful Major Leaguer? I was thinking Rey Ordonez might fall into that category, but he was older when he entered the minors, and he had a higher SLG when he did.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Rafael Belliard had a .197 SLG when he was 19 (66 AB) and .250 when he was 20 (472 AB). So, at least Adrianza has more power than him, it seems!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Unfortunately Belliard was terrible. It’s a good question, worthy of research. Adrianza’s slugging was actually .329 (or .327), though, not .313.
Another question: is it possible to be a good major-league player with no power at all? To this the answer is clearly yes. Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel and Brett Butler, to name a few, frequently kept their OPB higher than their slugging. If Adrianza’s going to be a contributor, that’s probably the way he’s going to do it.
Omar Vizquel’s career minor league slugging percent was .318. He slugged .295 as a 19 year old in A ball but then brought it up to .332 as a 20 year old. Link
Also, check out this old Cardinals SS. (Not Ozzie Smith)
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Can you think of anyone comprable to Adrianza – a 20 year old with as much minor league experience as he has – with a SLG as low as .313 who went on to be a successful Major Leaguer?
Omar Vizquel, Jason Bartlett, Yunel Escobar, Elvis Andrus, and Jhonny Peralta, all had SLG under .350 at some point in the minor league careers — Bartlett was a 22-year-old in A-ball when he did it, and Escobar was 23 in AA. When Rafael Furcal was Ehire’s age, he slugged .342 in Rookie ball. Edgar Renteria slugged .292 as an 18-year-old in A-ball.
Adrianza has some room to fill out, and he’s making solid contact with a decent idea of the strike zone. He was only 19 for most of the season, and he’s already a plus defender. I think he’s a pretty sweet prospect, and I have him ahead of Crawford on my top 30.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 2, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think all of these are fair comparisons. Andrus was in AA by the year he turned 20, 2 levels above Adrianza, and his slugging percentage (.361) is more than 40 points better than Adrianza’s. Bartlett slugged under .350 once in six seasons in the minors – his overall SLG was .417. And, to be fair to Adrianza, Bartlett was also older. Yunel Escobar was barely under .350 for one year (again, to be fair, older than Adrianza) – in his first year in the minors, he slugged .504, and in his third year he slugged .456.
Peralta and Vizquel are probably the best matches.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Adrianza's SLG by year, for the record
2006: .189 (155 PA)
2007: .325 (302 PA)
2008: .409 (76 PA)
2009: .327 (448 PA)
It’s possible he’ll develop into an acceptable hitter, but I don’t see any particular reason to believe he will.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
and to clarify
I’m not trying not to believe! I’m just finding it hard to do so. For every Omar Vizquel, there are a hundred Mike Benjamins, y’know?
Of course, I’ve never seen the guy play, and all I have to go by are numbers, which can be deceptive at such a young age. So maybe (and hopefully) I’m wrong.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I wasn’t trying to find a perfect comparison — I just went through a list of current shortstops and picked the ones who didn’t have power at some point. Renteria would be my preferred comp in a best-case development case, actually.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 2, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Can you think of anyone comparable to Crawford (22 y-o or older, in A+ or higher), who posted a 4.5:1 K/BB and went on to be a successful Major Leaguer?
I was promised lasagna.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Matt Williams had a K/BB rate approaching that when he was of a similar age and in the minors – I know that in his first three stints in the majors, his rates were 4.25, 5.13, and 5.14. Unfortunately, such records don’t seem to exist for the minor leagues in the 80s.
Of course, Williams also had a ton more power than Crawford.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/Players/W/Matt-Williams.shtml
21- AAA- 53/19
SF- 68/16
22- AAA- 56/13
SF-41/8
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 3, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Huh. I wonder why b-r doesn’t have that info.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Data quality issues with the source?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 3, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
So overall
Williams: 21/22 y-o, AAA: 3.4 K/BB.
Crawford: 22 y-o, A+/AA: 4.4 K/BB.
Williams was younger, at a higher level, and still posted a better K/BB.
When he returned to AAA the next year, his K/BB was 1.6. That’s a better comparison age/level wise, though he was repeating the level.
I was promised lasagna.
Hey, Glenallen Hill had a 6.08 ratio when he was 22!
Okay, maybe he’s not the best example. But if Crawford could post a .271 / .321 / .482 line, I’d be pretty thrilled.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
His secondary numbers (LD%, K%, ISOP) look pretty similar to those that Burriss had . He’s obviously a lot younger so there’s hope he improves in future but I’m not all that confident, especially as I’ve not heard anything to suggest that he’s got more power to develop.
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Burriss had a much higher GB% (58% to 48%) — and anecdotally the 6 or so games I saw him play in the Sally that year he virtually never hit anything other than weak groundballs to the opposite side, often for infield hits — and a slight but noticeably less LD% (11.6% to 13.2%) despite a 3.5+ year age advantage. I’d say there’s a noticeable difference there.
And the scouting reports usually do say there’s projection in his body to fill out some.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
True, he did have a much higher GB% although i don’t know how much to read into that. The LD% is lower but not enough to really make much difference especially considering the likely inaccuracy of such measurements in the minors
The age difference is the big thing (isn’t it a 2.5 year difference though) if there’s projection there. Fair enough, i haven’t read much scouting info on him having more projection in his bat.
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You’re right, I screwed up the age difference. I was just looking at their difference in age, not the age to league. For the record:
Burris was born in Jan. 85 and played in the Sally in his age 22 season, starting there at 22 yrs. 5 mos.
Adrianza was born in Aug. 89, and played in the Sally in his age 19 season, starting there at 19 yrs 8 mos.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Even at San Jose, Crawford had an absurdly high strikeout rate. His BABIP was .478! And if you give Crawford credit for San Jose, the age difference tilts further in Adrianza’s favor.
Interesting to note that in the Tools lists BA gave the Best IF Defense nod to Crawford over Adrianza (and Bocock for that matter, who was selected as best IF arm).
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
if someone is getting 0 votes, that should be an indicator that it’s not their turn yet.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 2, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sort of, but the first 4 votes were all slam dunks, so it’s hard to accurately judge who should be removed for #5.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
fair enough.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 3, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
I like the current list for the next few picks.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 2, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
I went with Wheeler. He hasn’t thrown a pitch in pro ball yet but he’s a high enough draft pick and the Giants seem to know pitching pretty well.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
I was wondering if he was going to be unanimous but apparently someone already voted Crawford.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 2, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
We have a couple secret Crawford voters. He got some votes last time.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Be interesting to see if Crawford goes 5. Personally, I think that’s a bit high.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 2, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
IMO 5 is a Kieschnick/Joseph battle
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
And you have?
Or is it against rules to discuss future votes?
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 2, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I’m deciding. I used the rationale that Neal has played and performed well to vote him over Wheeler. So I should probably stick to that. However, I see Neal and Wheeler as roughly equal talent wise and I imagine (hitting wise) that as a prospect Joseph is far higher than Kieschnick. but where does he play?
What good is a bat if he can’t play on the field? So for the reason of he “HAZ NO POSTION” I will probably rank Kieschnick higher than Joseph.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I like Wheeler too, but
He hasn’t thrown a pitch in pro ball
How can you get a decent evaluation of a guy when
He hasn’t thrown a pitch in pro ball
especially considering he was drafted out of high school, and not college, where it would be less important that
He hasn’t thrown a pitch in pro ball
Just in case you’ve forgotten,
He hasn’t thrown a pitch in pro ball
I have a ton of faith in the scouts, especially the pitching scouts, and I’m sure Wheeler will at least be top 5 at this time next year. But RIGHT NOW, I don’t think you can really rank him. Talk about small sample size; we’ve got NO sample size.
I look at it as he was drafted so high because of his upside and current abilities and that alone (well, also my faith in the orgs P scouts) gives him huge prospect status. Now it’s up to him to justify that status or we drop him down accordingly for next year.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 2, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
I like Wheeler at #4, Kieschnick at #5.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
That’s how I see it, but I’m fighting this strong, somewhat irrational impulse to want to vote Joseph at 5.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 2, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I think Joseph may eventually be the better prospect, once he has more of a track record. But for now I’m down with Kieschnick.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Thats what I’m thinking.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I’m inclined to respect draft order and signing bonuses until players give us some reason to move them up or down. Noonan, Gillaspie, Fairloly, Willolliams, and Culolberson have not lived up to their high draft spots. Kieschnick and Crawford have, as I see it, held serve — they’ve done about as well as you would expect from third/fourth rounders; they’re definitely prospects; but they’re not dominating the way you need to in order to be a top prospect.
Which leaves Joseph and Rodriguez, who will probably be my #5 and #6.
True, in one draft year.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Kieschnick and Crawford are a fair comparison, because they were drafted the same year. I’m not sure about comparing them to Joseph, though, who was drafted a different year and against a different talent pool.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Also
Position is an issue with Joseph. He may end up having nowhere to play but first base, whereas Kieschnick (and Crawford) is considered a good defender – at a non-premium position, but more of a premium one than 1B.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
But like I said, I think Joseph may rank higher than Kieschnick next year. We’ll see. I’d already put him ahead of Crawford.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
But that was taken into account in their respective draft positions.
And he may have nowhere to play, but on the other hand, he may be a power-hitting catcher.
I suppose so.
I guess I just have less faith in draft order. So much of it seems arbitrary and influenced by concerns like signability and money, rather than prospect status. A bunch of this year’s top 10 picks were hardly first round talents, Travis Ishikawa was seen as a comp/second round talent but we picked him in the 21st, etc.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
That is a variable, true. I assume the talent level is more or less the same from one year to the next.
We really think there’s a chance that Joseph won’t be able to play a slightly below average 1B. He was always portrayed as a baseball rat in pre-draft previews, so I really have to think he’ll work hard enough to play a Garko level first base if he moves there.
If he ends up being a young Paul Konerko with the bat, I think that we’ll be able to find a place to play him.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 2, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Definitely correct on the first account. Your second point has me confused.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 2, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Makes me LOL every time
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Pure comedy gold… thx, finally get that meme.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 2, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t remember writing that.
"All I know is right now, you comeback and do you dwell on that? I think you're man enough to take it, you're man enough to chew on it, to spit it out and you learn from it. ... I think winners let it go. I think losers dwell on it and talk about it all week and that screws you up for the next opportunity going forward." - Mike Singletary after the 49ers loss to the Vikings
Found a good one today as well, though not nearly as good as yours.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 2, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
lol
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 2, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Tiny font is tiny.
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GLUE!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 3, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
I really like Joseph’s swing. Granted, that clip is with an aluminum bat, but the bat heads path to the ball looks great. His stride, though, looks a bit different. I really want to go with him at #5, but will probably go Kieschnick as well.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 2, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
I sort of think Villalona should be on there....
the whole innocent until proven guilty thing. Plus, it’d be nice to see where people would rank had him
by NeifiChicken on Dec 2, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
And I’m with you there, but I get the feeling that people just aren’t thinking about him at all, so we’re not going to get a true picture of where he would rank.
There’s also this, although I’m not sure what it means.
Anyways, if you want him added, just post his name above in the add section. If people agree, he’ll get recs (at least in theory), and added.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
it’s not an innocent or guilt thing for me — it’s a does he have a visa and is he still on a development curve (and for that matter, still an active member of the organization) thing.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
This
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Even if there were no charges I dont see him as better then Wheeler, Kieschnick, or Joseph
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
Totally agree, but I think he deserves to be on the list.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I dunno. The question marks around his future make it pretty impossible for me to have any idea where he belongs on the list.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Then don’t vote for him. I don’t plan on doing it, but I think that because he was such a highly-regarded prospect as of a few months ago, he deserved to be exposed to the voting instead of buried due to a lack of nominations.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I think something along the lines of:
#Do not include on any lists
#Once list is made offer another, Villalona only poll that says “Given this list where would you place Angel if he was able to play bassball 1/1/2009?”
#Give him the ranking from the poll but as #a. If he plays again, he takes that spot and everyone gets bumbped one spot.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
I seem to be the only person in the world who hates butter. So, does this mean I’m the only McCoven to hate Evan?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
You and I have a lot in common, apparently!
Also, random Harrisonburg-related story: the last two times my wife has worn her JMU sweatshirt in public, she’s been hit on by random guys. Maybe there’s some sort of aphrodisiac property.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I hate margarine. Who’s the Mccovey equivalent of margarine?
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Dec 2, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
The human craving for saturated fats is a relic of a hunter/gatherer society——we most desire the nutrients that are hardest to come by in nature.
I wonder if jcb9 is actually the next stage in human evolution.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Well. I don’t have any wisdom teeth in my lower jaw AND I have the ability to rapidly shake my eyeballs back and forth.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Oh, the wisdom teeth thing confirms it.
/bows before jcb9 and offers him the burnt carcass of Hokysmokesbw
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Freak bias
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I don’t have any!
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by say hey nation on Dec 3, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
What are you talking about!
I think something along the lines of:
- Do not include Villalona on any lists
- Once list is made, make another, Villalona only, poll that says "Given this list where would you place Angel if he was able to play baseball 1/1/2009?"
- Give him the ranking from the poll but as #a. If he plays again, he takes that spot and everyone gets bumped one spot.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Why should Angel not be included on any lists? Every prospect carries risk. With Angel, a significant part of that risk is legal.
Rightly or (probably) wrongly, it appears to me he will be available to play. Certainly there is risk that he won’t.
I agree it would also be intriguing to rank him as to where he would be if we knew for sure he could play in 2010. But we don’t — so that is just one more (not insubstantial) risk for him as a prospect.
I’d have Angel on the list, too, but his legal risks (as you point out) just make his ranking so much lower as it seems the risks of him not playing next year at all seem pretty high right now. that could all change before spring training, but as of now, when we’re doing these rankings, it’s a big factor.
As for his ranking, I was going to downgrade him anyway as it seemed that he did not make much progress as a hitter in 2009 and got injured. He didn’t seem very mature either (I know he’s young, but the reports of his maturation in Augusta seemed very positive.) You add that to the risk and he’s not a top 10 guy and for me, not a top 30 guy.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 2, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
2010?
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I’d be fine with doing this in addition to having him nominated and voted for as if he were just a non-legal-limbo prospect.
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If your big fear is that some of us vote for Angel from the 5th spot on, which might screw up the results of battles between Ehire, Crawfork or Kieschnick since that group of voters would be “throwing away” their votes on Angel – well, I can see that.
But I think he should just get a spot on the list, and some of the voting stuff will be quirky anyways. Some have already started voting for a reliever, when many others in the community think its crazy to put a reliever in the top ten. Maybe Runzler is the exception. Some think it’s crazy to have a guy sans-visa as a prospect, but I bet Angel could start getting some votes.
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I’ve spent a lot of time badmouthing Villalona, but behind Kieschnick? No way. They were at the same level last year and Angel was three and a half years younger.
And Kieschnick out-OPS’d him by almost 200 points. I don’t know that 3 and a half years of age really makes up for that, especially if there really just wasn’t anything very good about Angel’s line at all.
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I’d say that the 3.5 years is more important than 200 points of OPS. Age relative to league continually proves to be a more important indicator of future success than league performance does, and thats’ a huge age differential for a lowish minor league. Not that I’m not high on Roger, but you do have to look at those years carefully before burying Angel as far as prospect potential goes. If he were to repeat A ball again for the next three seasons, is there any reason to believe he wouldn’t make up those 200 points and then some?
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I was going to go with Wheeler or Neal at #3. I voted for Neal in the last one, so I’m going with Wheeler.
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I don’t think I can bring myself to vote for Wheeler here. I know that Runzler is only a relief prospect, but the guy is already pitching and already dealing, and Wheeler has never pitched outside of high school.
I think I am going to mull some more.
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I had Sergio Romo at #10 last year. But that’s about as far as I’d go unless the guy seemed like a surefire Next Mariano Rivera.
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Speaking of which
I just noticed that, the same year the Giants got Thomas Neal in the 36th round, they got Sergio Romo in the 22nd. Sweet! That makes up somewhat for that being the goddamned No Picks In The First Three Rounds And Our First Pick Was Ben Copeland year.
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Next most interesting guys that year, though: Joe Martinez, Alex Hinshaw. Actually, I’m not sure if that’s when Hinshaw actually signed. We drafted him like three times.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Runzler was a starting pitcher his last year in college. Wheeler was a starting pitcher his last year in high school.
I know that’s an over-simplistic argument that perhaps ignores scouting, but Runzler has started games at a higher level than Wheeler, and has done well overall professionally (outside of the walks). That, coupled with his high marks in Baseball America, makes this a hard decision for me.
And that’s only if you totally ignore the fact that Keach put up decent numbers in San Jose.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
he only started 10 out of 22 games in college
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I understand that, and I know that it is cherry-picking, but those are 10 more starts than Wheeler has made.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
meh…its not like Wheeler wouldn’t start in College
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
But he’s too young to even have gone to college. That, I think, is pretty significant.
I may very well go with Wheeler here, but I don’t think this should be the blowout that it currently is.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
That is part of the prospect fun though! You get to project and go with your gut on who will be more valuable to the team, you don’t need to rational!
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
And he wasn’t effective as a starter in those starts. I mean, I don’t see how the argument holds up when he didn’t perform as a starter, even if it was at a higher level.
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Runzler was a reliever in college before becoming a starter during his last season. He struggled in that role and THEN moved back to the bullpen where he flourished.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 2, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Being a starter in your last year of college isn’t that big of a deal to me! Wheeler is a better pick across the board from a scouting standpoint. I’m not sure I can penalize Zachary for not being a starter in college when he never even played college ball.
Also, he probably won’t walk a billion people.
We all know you can’t catch MLB pitchers until you prove you can catch MLB pitches
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Why can’t you penalize a player for something he hasn’t done? I’ve never played college ball, and I didn’t make the list either!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Also, because of Zach’s extreme lack of experience, we don’t know what kind of pitcher he is. With only two good pitches, his ceiling could be that of a reliever, anyway.
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I’m trying to remember, was Merkin in our system as a starter in 2003? I know at one point he was ranked ahead of Cain but I can’t remember whether that was as a starter or a reliever.
If you can get 3:2 on a headline of "Giants Pitcher Assaults General Manager" at some point this year, take it.
He was a starter then, yeah.
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I can’t remember when that happened. It was after the trade, but pretty quickly after as I recall.
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Yeah, I think he came clean (name and age) before or around ’03 spring training.
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Merkin was a starter in Hagerstown in ‘03 and was the league’s most dominant pitcher. Cain was on that same team and had a fine half season but then was shut down for the second half with an ill-defined elbow injury. Actually Brad Hennessey, Clay Hensley, Scott Munter, Billy Sadler, and Eric Threets were on that staff, too. And the lineup featured Fred Lewis, Travis Ishikawa, and Brian Buscher — basically the bulk of the organization’s Top 10 list for the year.
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That makes me nervous about this past years SJ team. Although the current crop is much stronger than the 2003 one.
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This seems kind of silly though – his draft position was great, he reportedly has excellent stuff. Would you have been against ranking Madison Bumgarner high on our list two years ago?
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It depends on who he was being compared to.
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I think you’re over-rating age/proximity to the majors. Yes Runzler is more experienced and nearer the majors but he plays a less valuable role and is way less talented. I don’t think Runzler is even that sure a bet, he’s risen very fast but he still has control issues and relievers are very volitile in terms of their production.
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I don’t know that Runzler is less talented. Both Wheeler and Runzler, reportedly, have two plus pitches and not much else. Its entirely possible that Wheeler was/is more highly regarded because of his “safer” body-type.
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I think it’s pretty clear that he’s more talented, that’s why he was selected with the 6th overall pick and Runzler wasn’t selected until the 284th pick. It’s also why one is potentially a Matt Cain level pitcher and the other is potentially a Jeremy Affeldt level pitcher.
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Then why even do these votes? We can just make our selections based on how they were drafted. It would save Marcello a lot of time.
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Two reasons i guess, to encourage discussion about prospects and also because in some cases prospect comparisons aren’t clear cut.
When you’re comparing a pitcher with no experience and one with 133 innings experience with such a vastly different draft pedigree then the draft positioning should have a large effect on their prospect ranking.
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draft position isn’t the only factor, just one of the factors. But when a guy hasn’t played pro ball or even college ball, it’s a bigger factor than for guys who have played a year or two in college or the minors.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 2, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
also
depends on who’s drafing. the pirates had a different philosophy in the last ten years.
good point.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 2, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
I put a lot of weight on draft order, but let’s not go overboard. It’s clear that Runzler is very, very talented, more so than a great many players drafted ahead of him.
Kieschnick’s K/BB ratio at San Jose last season was sad. When he was drafted, there was concern that his swing would need re-working. That concern hasn’t been gone away to my satisfaction yet.
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Or you could go the Capt. Hammer single entredre route — “the hammer is my penis.”
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by foothillsfan on Dec 3, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
For me top 10 okay, but top 5 is a no.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 2, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but even if Runzler were to become Mariano Rivera, he’d add about 2-3 wins a year. That’s the absolute ceiling.
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i voted for roger for the same reason i voted for neal for #3. he’s rerformed well at high A ball. my next choice would’ve been wheeler.
Wheeler
I voted him for at 3, though I have no problem with Neal at 3. Given his draft stock and trust in giants scouts when it comes to pitching and the scouting reports, Wheeler at 4 is fine, despite the lack of pro experience. He’s young enough where that’s not that much of a negative.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 2, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions
He’s obviously going to win this poll but am i the only one who thinks Wheeler is a bit under-rated on here? He was the 6th choice in the draft (noticeably higher than our previous HS pitchers Cain, Bumgarner and Alderson) and has a mid 90 fastball, with decent control and secondary pitches.
He’s obviously got no professional experience yet but he’s a stud pitching prospect. It seems that when other prospects joined such as Villalona, Bumgarner, Posey, etc there was a lot of excitement but Wheeler seems to get the “meh, he’s not got any professional experience” response.
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I think this board values experience and talent.
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t say anything about tires!
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by say hey nation on Dec 2, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
But Posey, Bumgarner, Alderson, Villalona were all rated highly before they had any experience. Experience obviously matters and so you have adjust accordingly but it doesn’t matter as much as overall talent. Aside from Posey, Wheeler is probably the most talented prospect we’ve had in a while and it seems silly to downplay that because he doesn’t have professional experience.
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I guess this is the comparison for me:
Stuff: Similar. Two plus pitches, and the rest is a work in progress
Body: Wheeler has a traditional pitcher’s body. Runzler is OMG LARDZ. Runzler is a lefty, if that matters.
Draft pedigree: Wheeler’s is very high, Runzler’s was meh.
Experience: Wheeler has not pitched at all. Runzler has had a good, if not voluminous, amount of success getting actual professional hitters out.
Whatever. I voted for Roger.
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Eh, I’ve seen plenty of touted arms showing up in the minors with much less than advertised stuff. Maybe that’s a relic of a scouting system that used to be less intensive, but I don’t think so.
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Aside from Posey, Wheeler is probably the most talented prospect we’ve had in a while
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 2, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t find the prospect lists from past last year and I haven’t been on here long, but it’s probably not unreasonable for me to guess that Wheeler is “rated lower” simply because of the better competition at the top of the ledger in our system.
Start with Lincecum and Villalona in 2006. The previous year, the Giant’s first draft pick was in the 4th round. They had no elite minor league talent to speak of- Baseball America rounded out the top 5 with JSanch, Burriss (another new draftee), and BWilson.
Now 2007. With Lincecum already up and out of the minors, Bumgarner and Alderson’s only real competition was Villalona. Nate Schierholtz and Henry Sosa were the other “top 5 prospects” (per BA).
2008: There’s a big difference between Posey out of college and the other 3 guys. Bumgarner by this point was our first elite prospect in a long time who actually stuck around long enough to stay at the head of the rankings.
If you look at the crops, there is nothing even close to a Buster Posey, a Madison Bumgarner, or even a Thomas Neal at the head of the rankings. If Wheeler had been drafted in 2005, 2006, or 2007 he probably would have ended up the number one overall on the list as a #6 draftee in an extremely weak farm system. Number 4 on this list is equivalent to Number 1 on those other lists, and Number 2 on the 2007 list (behind Bumgarner).
There wasn’t a change in philosophy but rather an emergence of viable A/B+ prospects Wheeler has to compete with that have wicked track records to support their claims to fame.
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Really, most systems that have a Top 10 pick will see that pick at the #1 or 2 spots on their prospect lists the next year. It’s a rare — and really stocked system that can keep a Top 10 draft pick out of a top position on their prospect chart. I voted Neal #3 because of my long-held affection for him but Wheeler was more likely the correct call.
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by say hey nation on Dec 3, 2009 6:56 AM PST up reply actions
I think the problem is pitching prospects bust all the time
So just because Cain, Lincecum and Bumgarner have done well in their pro careers so far doesnt mean we rank Wheeler as if he is going to be the next one of those guys.
Alot of promising pitching prospects bust, so the fact that wheeler doesnt have any experience out of high school, can yeah, cause people to vote for Thomas Neal or even give some votes to Roger Kieschnick after a good year in pro ball.
I dont really think rating a high schooler 4th in the whole system as under valuing him. Especially when the 3 guys above him are Posey, Bumgarner and Neal.
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
Yeah of course they bust and just because Wheeler’s a good prospect or we’ve had success doesn’t mean he’s going to be successful. But then all prospects carry an inherent risk and i don’t think it’s wise to over-play that risk in Wheeler.
I wasn’t saying that him ranking fourth is undervaluing him, it’s more a general point regarding comments about him. Posey and Bumgarner are better prospects (as they’re more proven) and whilst i’d choose him ahead of Neal i can understand why others wouldn’t. Ranking him lower than 4th would be and he should be far closer to Neal than he is any other prospect.
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Based on the support for this, I think that’s how we’re going to handle the Villalona situation. We’ll have a poll at the end to place him somewhere on the list assuming the whole murder thing never happened. I’ll probably limit the options to something like #3 through #10 (NOTE: preliminary idea, subject to change due to popular request).
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how is stoffel pronounced ? is it closer to awful or woefull. lol i like the guy, so i’m not suggesting these are close to his abilities.
I voted Kieschneik
but then I scrolled down and saw Wheeler. oops
I change my vote.
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by tedfordfan on Dec 2, 2009 6:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Wheeler
This is the right spot for Wheeler. I am hoping by mid-season that both the #3 and #4 guys are both doing so well that it makes the decision tougher. But for now I feel comfortable having Wheeler sitting in the 4 slot for now.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 2, 2009 7:34 PM PST reply actions
Wheeler
I go for Wheeler here because of his value in terms of the prospects we have. Where he went in the draft and the potential even though he has never thrown a pro pitch…his value in the Giants organization and to other organizations as trade value (not saying we should trade him but that he is valuable for such a transaction) he warrants such a high position.
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