Revisiting Molina's Arb Case
Looks like Benjie would've been coming back on a 1 year $9mil deal if the Giants' would've offered arbitration.
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this is horrible
any day this fool doesn’t sign somewhere else makes it possible that he re-signs in SF.
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Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 16, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions
Oh god, I can just see him overplaying his hand with the Mets and watching them withdraw their 2 year offer.
Then he comes crawling back to Sabes and accepts a one year deal to PROVE HIMSELF and he hits .240/.280/.390, all at cleanup
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samuel adams and NOT offering benjie....
always a good decision.
His stom doesn’t hurt that much.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
But it’s a sort of a dull, prolonged hurt.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
I’m glad we didn’t have to pay him that much
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 16, 2009 11:59 AM PST reply actions
Who the hell is telling this aging, fat, slow, tender-feeling catcher that he’s worth 20 mil over 3 years? He should just be glad some team is interested in his base clogging abilities and take whatever he can get.
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it’s possible they negotiated a bit with Brain before taking their show on the road…
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"I sometimes still can get insider info and I am not a dumb or average fan.
Molina is needed."
by natteringnabob on Dec 16, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Tender feeling. LOL
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 16, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
/Sabes offers 1 year $10mil with a vesting option.
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I interpreted this the other way
Heyman adds that the Mets’ talks for Bengie Molina are at a standstill, due to Molina’s demand for a three-year deal in the $20MM range.
He would have rejected the arbitration offer so fast since he believes he’s worth 3/20.
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I really don’t think so, but you could be right. If his agent felt out the landscape and found it to be as barren as it seems, I think it’s probable that he accepts arb just for a quick payday.
remember, though, that players had only six days to accept or reject arb offers. If the giants offered arb, how likely was Bengie’s agent to suss out the real market for him in only six days?
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I’m sure the agent would be able to get a pretty good idea. It’s not like he’s some know-nothing blogger.
Between the ribeyes and the clutch dust, I’d be terrified that an arbitrator would award $8M or $9M. It sounds like that’s close to the two-year deal the Mets are offering, so Molina would have to decide if he thinks he’d be able to do better than a 1/$2M deal next year. If he’s optimistic, he takes the Giants’ offer.
No regrets.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 16, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
disagree
The market got I-rod 2 years and 6-million. If Bengie’s agent correctly read the market, he would have seen reason to hope (best case) that Bengie would get 3/20 – which is what he’s asking for.
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by tedfordfan on Dec 17, 2009 5:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The market changes once he's offered arbitration, though.
Losing a pick isn’t a negligible cost, even if it’s a 2nd rounder (as it would be in the Met’s case).
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True, but I just think people around here are seriously underestimating the market for catchers this year… Or overestimating the collective brain power of general managers… I, on the other hand, think catchers are going to be well-compensated in this market because the available quality is SO low; and never, ever, ever, under any circumstances, think that Baseball GMs will cease to surprise me with their stupidity. Add it up and you can see why I think we should have offered him arbitration.
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Well, they only had a week to decide. And Bengie is apparently still sticking to his 3/20 delusion, so I think we would have been ok. It would have been a risk though, that’s true.
Although, a 1/9 deal with Bengie wouldn’t be terrible. It might be a little overpriced, but not horribly and for a 1 year deal it would be ok. I’d rather have Posey playing from day 1, but it’s pretty clear the Giants don’t want that to happen. So, he should be in AAA at least until his arb clock is delayed another year and at that point the season will almost be half over.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
No no no. I would not want Bengie hitting clean up for another year under any circumstances.
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That’s an issue with Bochy though, not with Molina. And Molina would be worth a 1/9 contract, production wise.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
No its definitely bochy.
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by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Sort of
Obviously the roster sucked, but Molina still shouldn’t be batting 4th.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Who should, and when? Only 4 Giants finished with a higher OPS in a significant sample
Sandoval? No, because we’d just b1tch about whoever was batting third.
Uribe? At the end of the season,, yes, but I don’t really blame the manager for forcing a guy who played his way into a minor league contract to prove he’s not a SSS fluke,
Rowand? Heh.
Lewis? Nah, he should have been hitting leadoff.
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It’s an issue with both. If the front office were to re-sign Molina while Bochy is still the manager (and he is), they’d have to know how Bochy will use him. They’d essentially be signing Bengie to continue to be the starter for the year and the clean up hitter.
And not worth $9mil.
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Math Error - Crone's Last Three Years Totals 1.8 WAR Not 1.6
by giantsrainman on Dec 16, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
I know Fangraphs WAR doesn’t include catcher defense. I forget whether it includes baserunning or not. Judging from that disparity, I’m guessing that it does not, and that’s most of the difference.
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 16, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Do you want find if would?
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by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
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