McCovey Chronicles Community Prospect List #14
by marcello on Dec 16, 2009 11:25 AM PST
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Peguero with the win. Here is our list so far:
- Buster Posey
- Madison Bumgarner
- Thomas Neal
- Zack Wheeler
- Roger Kieschnick
- Tommy Joseph
- Brandon Crawford
- Rafael Rodriguez
- Dan Runzler
- Nick Noonan
- Conor Gillaspie
- Ehire Adrianza
- Francisco Peguero
For #14, we have the following options:
Matt Graham
Each player should have a link to Baseball Cube in their first name and a link to First Inning in their last name if they are available. The poll will close Friday at noon, unless it's clear enough to call, then it will be Thursday around noon.
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I'm voting Sanchez again
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 16, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ARE YOU STOOPID SANCHEZ OVER WALDIS!
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by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's getting more difficult to distinguish here.
i’m going stoffel, but i’m hoping for a big 2010 from ford.
by giantdonkey on Dec 16, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
still voting Tanner
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by j14 on Dec 16, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Me too. My second choice is Hector Sanchez, but I get the feeling that I won’t get to vote for him, as he’ll probably get in before Tanner does.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Dec 16, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stoffel?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Dec 16, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
btw
according to espn, timmy has the most unhittable pitch in baseball.
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/news/story?id=4745403
by giantdonkey on Dec 16, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see ESPN has just discovered the existence of Fangraphs.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 16, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Laughed to myself last season when the ESPN game announcers talked about OPS+ like it was ome new magical stat.
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by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Stoffel but I’m not sure why you’d go with him over Joaquin at this point in time.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 16, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Joaquin’s strikeout rate is a bit misleading, since he walks so many guys. He only struck out about 22% of batters last year, with a walk rate around 12%.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 16, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you could argue that Stoffel’s strikeout and walk rates are misleading since they came in rookie ball and ssA though. And though he had a BB/9 of 0.4, it was 4.2 his senior year of college (with only 9.2 K/9, vs ~11 and 14 the two years before) and scouts had a lot of concern about his command, control and conditioning.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 16, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I’m not voting for either of them right now, but I can see the argument either way. Not that it matters for me anyways, since with the way I vote and the way the polls are going, I’ll likely never be voting for a reliever. They’re all gone by the time I would place them.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 16, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, same
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 16, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I went with Waldis last time, and he was beat by Peguero. So, I went with Stoffel this go. Makes no sense at all.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 16, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Irrational exuberance
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Dec 16, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Casilla or Bucardo.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Dec 16, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't Sosa getting any love?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 16, 2009 11:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Injuries.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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by jcb9 on Dec 16, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of injuries.
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by cornball on Dec 16, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That took 5 mph off of his FB.
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by tedfordfan on Dec 17, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And 30% off his strikeout rate.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 17, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still haven’t seen any conformation that he’s lost velocity. Has anyone ever been able to find a link to anything that suggests as much? The way I took it was that people were theorizing that because his K-rate dropped, so had his velo.
I like Sosa as a reliever if he can get healthy, but I’m not sure he cracks my Top-20.
by xanthan on Dec 18, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There was this, back in May.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 18, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, makes me wonder how good AA stadium guns are?
by xanthan on Dec 18, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by say hey nation on Dec 18, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Voting Sanchez
Gotta love the numbers even with the SSS.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
by nvsfg on Dec 16, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
NV
I’m still voting Stoffel, who I have easily over Gillaspie, Adrianza, and Peguero (so much for the wisdom of crowds). In fact, I have Sanchez right behind Stoffel, and ahead of those 3. Yep, gotta love those numbers.
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by Lyle on Dec 16, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s somewhat ironic to me that the three position players I have been most excited about in the Giants system are catchers. Panda, Posey and now Sanchez. Just goes to show that you have to be stud to catch.
I have high hopes for Gilaspie, and Adrianza is coming along too. I just want a (nother) position player to succeed. God knows there has been a long enough drought prior to the Panda.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
by nvsfg on Dec 16, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i still don’t get how you can put peguero over stoffel
by sfoakbay on Dec 16, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like Peguero – I thought he was physically impressive when I saw him play in Augusta in 2008. It’s clear he has tons of potential. But that potential is SO raw, and he is so far away, that I just can’t place him above Stoffel, who is (I think) almost a certainty to be riding the Express train to Fresno this year, if not all the way to San Francisco.
Again, I suppose this is my “utility” bias, as opposed to “tools.” I don’t discount raw talent, and fervently wish the Giants to draft talented-but-raw players. But when I make my Top Whatever List, and choices like this present themselves, I give the nod to the immediate talent impact. And so, clearly, guys like Peguero (and RaRod, more to the point) have much more volatility on my lists. (btw, I’d rank RaRod over Peguero because scouts seem to think RaRod can eventually do anything on a diamond, whereas Peguero’s upside is somewhat less impressive).
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by Lyle on Dec 17, 2009 5:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Peguero will be less far away than you think come opening day. Given the org’s previous extremely aggressive promotion of him and the 40 man thing, I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if they tried moving him to AA to start the season or at the very least move him there in May if he were to get off to a hot start at SJ. Not that I’d promote such an idea, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see it happen.
somebody like Peguero you’re ultimately looking for the tools to click in and some point. He does have a body that looks like it should have power in it at some point.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Dec 17, 2009 5:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ford is in AA and Peguero is in SJ on opening day. Mid season both are promoted? I know I am spelling this wrong, but I don’t know what happens to McBryde in this.
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by say hey nation on Dec 17, 2009 6:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McB gets to try Fresno for the 2nd time
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Dec 17, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know. I just don’t know what happens if Ford gets promoted. We have three CF who should be AA and above. Who gets left out?
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by say hey nation on Dec 17, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roger, I agree with much of what you’ve said. I was just explaining my reason for ranking Peguero rather lower than some other guys.
I thought Peguero looked like a real “athlete” when I saw him, and I still hope that he turns out to be our own mini-Jason Heyward. But from I hear and read, it sounds like that future is more nearly predicted for RaRod than Peguero.
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by Lyle on Dec 17, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course we had the opportunity to have our very own Jason Heyward, but the less said about that the better. Frankly, if either of them hits it’ll be pennies from heaven so let’s hope for the best.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Dec 17, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d vote Guzman, but he’s still not on the ballot.
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by Goofus on Dec 16, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
He hasn’t gotten a lot of interest, rec-wise. Based on the poll for #13, he’ll probably be on the ballot for #16.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 16, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Dec 16, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stoffel, again
Going with Bucardo next pick.
Like Stoffel’s ground balls and see him having the opportunity to move up quickly
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 16, 2009 12:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tanner
was a success in Hi A at both age 20 and 21, now on to AA.
So he hits AA the same age Waldis did, but Tanner is still a starter.
Even tho I’ve been voting for HSanch, Tanner makes sense to me now.
Lefty starter, 7.8 Ks per 9, 1.24 WHIP
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Dec 16, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.
by tedfordfan on Dec 17, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hector "I'm Dirty Two/Too" Sanchez
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by bgunn on Dec 16, 2009 12:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
D2..
Too Dirty ?
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
by nvsfg on Dec 16, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t like the last time we named a giants’ minor leaguer after a giants’ major leaguer…
by sfoakbay on Dec 16, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stoffel time
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by cain1rstballothof on Dec 16, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Question:
Many at McCoven will place Brett Pill in the 20ish range. This is reasonable since Pill did not have his breakout season until 2009.
What does Pill have to do in 2010 to be rated in the Top 10?
by wilriv21 on Dec 16, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Deliver a .400 OBP with power at Fresno.
by Evan on Dec 16, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
SLG much higher than OBP
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by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, he’d have to hit like .320/.450/.650 for me to even think about it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 16, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 16, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That line would translate to like .280/.380/.500, so you’re being too harsh.
by Evan on Dec 16, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, not to mention the fact that Pill will never put up a .100 isoD lol!
You can downgrade that line to something like .320/.400/.650 if you’d like.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 16, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even have Pill in my top 30, but if he hits .320/.400/.650 and the defense is as advertised, he’s probably in my top five.
by Grant on Dec 16, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Posey and Bumgarner finish the season not eligible for rookie status you have to have him top 3 easily with that line.
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by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly doubt he’ll hit that well.
If he hits like, say, Guzman did in AAA this year, would you rate him highly?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 16, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or as well as Travis did a few years ago?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Dec 16, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(over that full year for Travis, obviously if Pill slugs over .700 in AAA he'll be a legit prospect)
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by jponry on Dec 16, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
299/377/578?
If Pill hit that in AAA I think you have to put him in the top 10 (depending on MadBum and Posey prospect status may be top 5).
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by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
And given that Pill is by all accounts an excellent defensive 1B, whereas Guzman defensively should be carving meat in a cold locker….
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by Lyle on Dec 17, 2009 5:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Top 5 next year will be some order of Wheeler, Joseph, 2010 #1 pick, Neal (if he isn’t promoted) and Kieschnick, I’d guess. Frankly, I don’t think Pill could hit anything in the PCL to convince me he’ll ever be as good a major league player as, say, Ishikawa, so I’d always rate him accordingly.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Dec 17, 2009 5:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
idea for a thread
predict the top 5 this time next year. Excluding new draftees.
It’s tricky, because MadBum and Neal could be prospects again, or could be bigleaguers by then. Top of my head…Neal, Wheeler, Joseph, Stoffel, Hector Sanchez
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Dec 17, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good list
I think I might replace Stoffel with Crawford, since I think Stoffel will be in the majors by the end of the year.
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by Lyle on Dec 17, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This
Completely this. At this point, a player at a corner position has to have to ludicrous numbers in the PCL for me to be impressed. Maybe not ludicrous, but I’d want to see Pill more or less replicate Bowker’s 2009 in Fresno.
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by cornball on Dec 16, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Ishikawa hit .310/.370/.737 in Fresno (in only about 50 games, it must be noted). Bowker hit .345/.456/.596 in 2009. Something approaching that would get me interested, so I’d say like a 0.950 OPS seems like a reasonable threshold for him to achieve true prospect-hood. .300/.400/.550 would give him an MLE around .265/.335/.440 which would be just acceptable for a 1B if his glove turns out to be as advertised.
by taliesin on Dec 17, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ford
I’m high on him despite the repeat at single A. Walks, increased power, the same speed and defense…i’m in.
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by Speedforthewin on Dec 16, 2009 3:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I went Sanchez
it was between him and Ford and I took upside over 3 peating A+ Ball.
by Gobroks on Dec 16, 2009 4:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am not excited about Ford at this point. Yeah, he’s no longer switch-hitting, but I want to see him hit in Virginia before I start thinking about him as a real prospect.
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by cornball on Dec 16, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To me he's the next best
Although I could be argued into voting for Tanner. No one else really strikes me as being that great-Graham and Dominguez have been inconsistent and i’ll take a potential leadoff CF over power relievers, who have flaws (namely control)
by Gobroks on Dec 16, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Going with Tanner. He’s done pretty well at each level.
by xanthan on Dec 16, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am going to keep voting for Hector until the rest of you agree with me!
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by cornball on Dec 16, 2009 5:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I voted Ford. I still may have to get my VROOOOOOOBP gland checked out, though.
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It has me
by dregarx on Dec 16, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hector with a slim lead as of now…
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by bgunn on Dec 16, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stoffel
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 16, 2009 9:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This one will be close
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by Giant among Angels on Dec 16, 2009 10:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It’s Bucardi(o) Time!
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Dec 17, 2009 5:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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